Follow-up: Level 99 Relic, Mythic, Empyrean, and Walk of Echoes Weapons

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Originally Posted by Kajikuro

Furthermore you apparently mistake the word "finished" for the phrase "kinda finished but not really" as the only RME weapons that meet the definition of "finished" are afterglowed and without that they have not finished, so go do that and tell me how finished you were, the fact they are allowing the "kinda finished" versions to be upgraded merely falls in your favor.

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If need be I'll "dig up" the post for you from the devs, explaining that lvl 99 Afterglow, is something they only expect, what like 1% of the player base to achieve...or something completely extreme.

The "Afterglow" effect was added (and I'm relating what I remember, since I still need to find the post) as a "reward" for those players that want to show off a "trophy effect" sorta speak. So... if you don't consider a level 99 R/M/E without Afterglow finished, well I'm sorry for you. :)

I truly doubt anyone but the hardest of core players will have an Afterglow weapon and that again, is a significantly small percentage of the entire population of collective servers players together. In effect, my opinion, a level 99 R/M/E is a finished weapon--however I assume we'll just have to agree to disagree on this point.

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Originally Posted by Kajikuro

I havent read many other the other posts so forgive me if this repeats what has already been stated, but anyway.

The fact that weapons will have to be 99 is kinda upsetting, an upsetting number of people i know saying something to the effect of "If i have to get my RME to 99 for it to be considered for deserving to be on par with this new weapons i am quitting. The amount of effort put into then doesnt deserve a spit in the face like this" Its hard enough getting these weapons so them being so substantially outclassed by these new weapons unless they are 99 is on pace to offend many people.

However my main concern is the idea of making WoE weapons give full access to the Empyrean line of weapon skills to be unlocked for use by any weapon, why would anyone make an actual Empyrean weapon if they can simply unlock the WS via WoE weapon and then get one of the new content weapons and not have to get their empyrean through getting to 99 to be on the same level of damage. So if the unlock able versions are not watered down to a large degree many Empyrean owners will feel cheated, mythic weapons are still awesome because they are (or were) on par with the strongest weapons in the game and gave an increase to the mythic weapon skills. So even if you do give everyone fulltime access to empyrean weapon skills give them like 30 or maybe even 40% stat mods instead of 60% so empy owners will feel like atleast it was worth something



The idea of Challenge, Effort, Reward in the minds of people is not so that their reward will be belittled, the reason RME were considered the "Ultimate weapons" is because we worked hard for them and expected them to be the best on at least one of the best regardless of 85, 90, 95 or 99 we put in the effort when we thought the reward was worth the challenge, but if you give the reward to everyone and they can use stronger weapons with the same WS for less effort then what was our effort for then?

So in short my requests are this:
1:Consider making level 90 and on Weapons closer to on par with the new equipment and content

2:Please don't give full time access of Empyrean weapon skills via WoE weapons regardless of the difficulty planned for doing so as it will Belittle empy owners, unless the unlocked WSs are weakened without having the corresponding Empyrean/WoE weapon equipped

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Hey bro, if you can't get a your emps R or M's to 99 then you need to give up and upgrade to a new weapon from delve ok they are really easy to get so go do that.

Only the 99s need to be upgraded they where the best weapons not the 85-90s lol, if you stopped at that point you never planned to try and be the best and thats ok not everyone has the time or ability to make the gil but this update should be for ppl who finished there weapons to 99 emps 80-90 is a piece of cake takes like 2 weeks @ most if you do it everyday.

Getting a 99 anything take way more then that and if you don't plan on getting one please go get a delve weapon thats what there made for ppl like you so please stay out of this we don't need SE getting sidetracked and messing this all up again let the handle the task at have with good ideas from the ppl who actually had the best weapons in the game before update 99 R/M/E!

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Originally Posted by Byrth

I would also unlock the RME WS for anyone that has their weapon level 90-99.

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I think its too easy to get a 90 weapon to get get a weapon skill that will create so much imbalance

E.G mythic GA99 spamming ukko

all you would have to do is get a 90 ukko which now adays is cake.

I think if you put in the work to get a 99 emp and mythic the thats fine because its not easy, then you deserve it

Also i think if you unlock the emp WS for all weapons then doing it with the actual emp weapon it should be stronger when you do it with that weapon.

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Originally Posted by xiozen

If need be I'll "dig up" the post for you from the devs, explaining that lvl 99 Afterglow, is something they only expect, what like 1% of the player base to achieve...or something completely extreme.

The "Afterglow" effect was added (and I'm relating what I remember, since I still need to find the post) as a "reward" for those players that want to show off a "trophy effect" sorta speak. So... if you don't consider a level 99 R/M/E without Afterglow finished, well I'm sorry for you. :)

I truly doubt anyone but the hardest of core players will have an Afterglow weapon and that again, is a significantly small percentage of the entire population of collective servers players together. In effect, my opinion, a level 99 R/M/E is a finished weapon--however I assume we'll just have to agree to disagree on this point.

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Regardless of what the DEV say im merely pointing out that you misconstrue the meaning of the word "finished" and your elitist tones cant change that: completed or perfected in all details, as a product. Or polished to the highest degree of excellence. These are finished so if we agree to disagree then you must also agree to disagree with the English dictionary

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Originally Posted by Smush

I think its too easy to get

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mythic GA99

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Is basically what you just said.

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Originally Posted by Raksha

Is basically what you just said.

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What im trying to say is if it only took a 90 ukko or a coin weapon to unlock ukkos fury to be used for all GAs
pretty much every war including casuals could get it and it wouldnt be to hard for a mythic war to unlock ukko and be a demi god.

If your going to allow that kind of power to be in the game make it take a lot of work so only the hardcore can obtain it.

It is a lot of work.

You'd have to have a mythic.

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Originally Posted by Kajikuro

Regardless of what the DEV say im merely pointing out that you misconstrue the meaning of the word "finished" and your elitist tones cant change that: completed or perfected in all details, as a product. Or polished to the highest degree of excellence. These are finished so if we agree to disagree then you must also agree to disagree with the English dictionary

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Afterglow versions are 99 +1, which is a finished product.
The 99 version without afterglow is also a finished product.

In fact, the afterglow adds absolutely zero to the weapon itself. Therefore, it's still equal in combat to a 99 without afterglow. Furthermore, the afterglow effect does not even affect you, so your combat capabilities between a 99 weapon and a 99 afterglow weapon do not change at all. They are the exact same weapon in the hands of the wielder.

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Originally Posted by Raksha

It is a lot of work.

You'd have to have a mythic.

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Yeah that part is a lot but the 90 ukko or coin weapon is not imo, i just think to get that strong you should need both 99.

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Originally Posted by Alerith

Afterglow versions are 99 +1, which is a finished product.
The 99 version without afterglow is also a finished product.

In fact, the afterglow adds absolutely zero to the weapon itself. Therefore, it's still equal in combat to a 99 without afterglow. Furthermore, the afterglow effect does not even affect you, so your combat capabilities between a 99 weapon and a 99 afterglow weapon do not change at all. They are the exact same weapon in the hands of the wielder.

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QFT... This.