Perfect defense / embrava unbalance

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

Here is an example of why embrava broke the game ; ADL is not killable without perfect defense, we have yet to see a reported kill, even with a complete alliance of 18.

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Please stop spreading this bad info.

My LS has killed ADL without PD (12 total including mules) and you were well aware of that before making this post.

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Originally Posted by Zirael

Taint reporting in the BLuegartr Dynamis thread that they have killed ADL without PD, but it involved alliance and partial zombiying.

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Just wanted to clear this up. We killed without PD with 12 players, including atleast 3 mules. Our LS isn't even big enough to make an alliance. We tried it for fun at the end of a run and won. We kept him squall locked almost the entire time post split.

The Zombieing was a different kill altogether. We used PD that fight and got unlucky.

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Originally Posted by Taint2

Please stop spreading this bad info.

My LS has killed ADL without PD (12 total including mules) and you were well aware of that before making this post.

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Hi Taint,'
if you don't mind can you elaborate on what would be needed to clear ADL without pd? My static has 10 people and we just started, were 1/2 last run but that was mostly just getting our feet wet. Didn't find it particularly hard with PD and embrava. Do we need more than 10 after this adjustment? Did you have 2 smns shock squalling? Any other general guidance? thanks

Edit: I guess you answered this mostly while I was posting. Thanks for info. We the same, don't' really want a full alliance, 10-12 most we want a run.

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Originally Posted by Taint2

Please stop spreading this bad info.

My LS has killed ADL without PD (12 total including mules) and you were well aware of that before making this post.

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No you didn't, it's in your dreams.

I just feel throwing in a cor over a brd that will basically just stand there seems better. Cor can do pretty well on fodder mobs. And wildfire seems nice for flans and such. And cor takes long to buff, IF you go for an 11. Lucky rolls are still beneficial by alot. Last stand/wildfire cor with a good tp/ws setup is good. And cor also gets exent. Brd can barely DD lol. I would rather have another potential DD spreading out giving decent buffs opposed to a brd giving better buffs standing there.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

No you didn't, it's in your dreams.

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lol...hater

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Originally Posted by Taint2

lol...hater

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qq only mnks can do adl qq

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Originally Posted by Fupafighter

I just feel throwing in a cor over a brd that will basically just stand there seems better. Cor can do pretty well on fodder mobs. And wildfire seems nice for flans and such. And cor takes long to buff, IF you go for an 11. Lucky rolls are still beneficial by alot. Last stand/wildfire cor with a good tp/ws setup is good. And cor also gets exent. Brd can barely DD lol. I would rather have another potential DD spreading out giving decent buffs opposed to a brd giving better buffs standing there.

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COR can do 1 roll in the time a BRD would do 2x March. On top of that if you shift the BRD to be the lamp "operator" they can do 5+min Marches the whole run. That's 22% Haste on each DD that melees, dunno about your but I wouldn't bank on a COR being able to make up that damage even when factoring in rolls.

Edit: If lamp floors or floors where mobs are spread out I could see COR winning due to regain roll still doing something where as marches wouldn't be doing anything.

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Originally Posted by Zagen

COR can do 1 roll in the time a BRD would do 2x March. On top of that if you shift the BRD to be the lamp "operator" they can do 5+min Marches the whole run. That's 22% Haste on each DD that melees, dunno about your but I wouldn't bank on a COR being able to make up that damage even when factoring in rolls.

Edit: If lamp floors or floors where mobs are spread out I could see COR winning due to regain roll still doing something where as marches wouldn't be doing anything.

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Exactly my point. You're always moving in nyzle. The event is 50% run, 50% kill. And for the most part, you don't need that much damage, you need more people to spread out and do the objective.

Can't wait to see tomorrows reveal on the Sqaure Enix "Screw You Players" week.