Nerfing Ukko/Vsmite so lazy players can be more useful?

If you want epeen just go to Abyssea, that is why it is there lol.

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Originally Posted by Ophannus

I struggle to hit 2k on DRG on Pil or Qilin with Chaos Roll, Food, Atmacite, Stalwarts, Champion's, Braver's drinks with enhanced Angon and WARs in my LS hit 3k without food or Stalwarts. With food and stalwarts alone WARs easily hit 5k-6k on Qilin and Pil while my damage hovers around 1500-2k.


Ukko's damage is not fair compared to other jobs or even other weapons. 5-6k is something I'd expect from a Relic WS or a Mythic WS, Emps can be made in a single week. Give this kind of damage output to Metatron's Torment and nobody would complain because those cost a crapton of time and money to make. Nobody would complain if relics did 5-7k on things. It's just that for the time/money spent on an 85 Ukon, the damage output is unfair compared to other empyreans,relics, mythics, job WS.

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Metatron could really use some help compared to ukko's fury (even nerfed). You can achieve 2.5k+ dmg (sometimes rarley 3k) on kaggens, but you need to be buffed like hell. average dmg is 2k metatrons with normal buffs (aka berserk and food only). You can add as much STR and attack as you want to metatron, surpassing 3k consistently without mighty strikes is near impossible (on anything that has relative high defense). While you see tachi: shoha, resolution, ukyo's fury, victory smite shit all over the place :/.
Upheaval looked very promising, but its dmg hovers around metatrons damage.

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Originally Posted by Cream_Soda

That's when you adjust the target mobs, give them crit defense bonus, and things of that nature rather than up and up gimping something

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They did that with enfeebling spells. RDMs just love being utterly ineffective in their assigned role on most mobs!

Man all the tears are so delicious. I didn't even emo close to this when I found out Cloudsplitter sucked ass outside of a brew. So much crying over a slight nerf from an overpowered weapon. lol

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Originally Posted by Disguise

WAR and MNK are the 2 main Damage-Dealing jobs in the game, how can you even believe that nerfing the only 2 good weapon/weapon skills that is a pain in the back side to achieve, will bring balance?

The 2 jobs are MADE to output as much damage as possible, it's been that way since the 50 cap. To lower there damage even more 24 more levels is stupid, we are going to pretty much be outputting level 75 damage outside of abyssea.

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I'd like to point out that your "pain to make" comment is about as useful an argument as a person expecting revamps to the behavior of relic weapons on the same premises. The were originally "made to be top tier DD" and were a "pain to aquire" but have since been seriously outclassed in that department by emps, primarily due to their extremely unique build/behavior that hasn't aged well through the updates from 75.

War and mnk were made to be DD, but not made to be stupid amounts of DD at all times. Originally DD's shined in various circumstance, but were not all around stupidly over powered. Some like to play the sam card for 75 cap saying it was over powered, but looking at the build of the job and it's JA it was built to have higher WS frequency than any other job, which was then changed to allow other jobs this same luxury if at a lesser extent via sub.

The nerf of ukko's is long over due and I can't really understand why people are upset when other DD class couldn't come close to the performance of an U.K. war. Even a mediocrely geared war would surpass other DD with exceptional gear builds. That is not game balance. Someone else said it is douche bag mechanics for the dev or even a player to support a nerf to the WS, but looking at it from another perspective I think it is the exact opposite to expect 1 or 2 jobs to significantly out perform other jobs by not just a gap, but by leaps and bounds.

"shaking my head"

So many troll's, enjoying so much anguish.

Hey DEV team there a SS over on FFXIAH right now of a RNG hitting a 20k + Barrage in VW. Wanna pass that along to the higher ups, I think SE may want to pass some balance down the line on that.

ugh

This is what this thread is making me feel like.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FYTc55nGEI

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Originally Posted by Ophannus

I struggle to hit 2k on DRG on Pil or Qilin with Chaos Roll, Food, Atmacite, Stalwarts, Champion's, Braver's drinks with enhanced Angon and WARs in my LS hit 3k without food or Stalwarts. With food and stalwarts alone WARs easily hit 5k-6k on Qilin and Pil while my damage hovers around 1500-2k.
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With out buffs, just normal melee on WAR I see between 1.5 to 2k ukko's in VW content. 3k would be a high end lucky hit. With buffs up I'll see a lot more 2k to 3k's and if i'm lucky i'll see some higher numbers in there. IF your piling in all those things and hardly seeing "2k" the problem is right there. Your damage output is lacking because it needs a buff. If nerfing Ukko's/Blood rage/ and VS makes you feel like a better melee I don't know what to tell you. Because your still not hitting the numbers you'd like too see.

Let me ask you this are you /war or /sam? Like I said in another post WAR is design to output damage. Sam is design to increase weapon skill frequency. If your /sam that could be hurting your numbers.

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Originally Posted by Ophannus

I struggle to hit 2k on DRG on Pil or Qilin with Chaos Roll, Food, Atmacite, Stalwarts, Champion's, Braver's drinks with enhanced Angon and WARs in my LS hit 3k without food or Stalwarts. With food and stalwarts alone WARs easily hit 5k-6k on Qilin and Pil while my damage hovers around 1500-2k.


Ukko's damage is not fair compared to other jobs or even other weapons. 5-6k is something I'd expect from a Relic WS or a Mythic WS, Emps can be made in a single week. Give this kind of damage output to Metatron's Torment and nobody would complain because those cost a crapton of time and money to make. Nobody would complain if relics did 5-7k on things. It's just that for the time/money spent on an 85 Ukon, the damage output is unfair compared to other empyreans,relics, mythics, job WS.

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you're lying,

dont come in a thread full of ukko wars and tell us what our damage is. no one here is averaging 5k on any vw content.

SE's way of balancing is kind of like the American public school system trying to lower the difficulty of the tests so a greater majority of students pass.