Given that FFXIV is going nowhere, finding ways to grow what is working is a great idea. Finding out what kind of damage they may end up seeing if they do drop PS2 and choose to make FFXI into the beautiful game FFXIV tried to be.
Sooo SE actually wants to know the numbers of PS2 users eh?
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09-02-2011, 09:22 AMLanette
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09-02-2011, 09:33 AMerevan
Somebody in this thread mentioned that 99.9% of pc players use the illegal windower and bots..I'd really like to know where they got their statistics from..I know a lot of ppl that use the pc, laptop or desktop, that don't play againts the ToS. In fact, a number of pc players I know DO use the windower mode that's configured in the PlayonLine-Final Fantasy XI-Final Fantansy XI Config files, but they use it for keeping Wiki up in the background to check on a NM stats or drops, or how to pop it, or whatever, but not for bots or uses against the ToS.
I have seen some YouTube videos where you could see other players HP, MP, TP, distance, that kind of stuff, and I have to agree, that's kind of cool, but I think it's against the ToS. Since I don't plan on getting banned for using any of that, I don't go that route; so I guess I can account for about 10-12 ppl in that .1%. Proof for those stats would need to provided for any kind of action taken.
I also saw where somebody argued against that statement, where it seemed the poster uses PS2, so blooey goes his statement. -
09-02-2011, 10:34 AMNightstrike
I would figure, if they did drop the ps2, at the very least they would give those people an ultimate collection for a platform of there choice. They did say if you played on more than one platform, to check them all... so i guess they'll take that into account also for people that play on the ps2 and other platforms.
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09-02-2011, 10:40 AMKariPretty sure FFXI was updated recently. SO OLD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zemarin
Also, you can literally get a computer that runs this game for free.
You can generally find people trying to get rid of obsolete computers, most of which can run this game.
If XIV was the equivalent of XI-2, then we'd probably play it.
Either way, to be blunt, I could care less about anyone who is forced to quit because they're too cheap or stubborn to switch to PC/360.
This game could either flourish now and live for at least a couple years to come, or be tied down by the PS2 and be unable to add any new content very soon, leading to a quicker death. -
09-02-2011, 10:50 AMFrankReynoldsThat was me that called him out, because his Signature (which he has changed since then but I quoted it in the post) said that he uses .DAT mods to make the game look the way he wants.Quote:
Originally Posted by erevan
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09-02-2011, 01:21 PMFeynman
Just to throw my two cents in.
I play on a ps2. I do have limited funds. For those claiming that people that can't afford to go buy a computer immediately shouldn't be playing the game at all, what other activity do you know of that can provide entertainment for the entire month for less than $20 a month? FFXI is a VERY economical way to provide yourself entertainment.
I do also own a computer. I own a Mac because that is virtually required in my field. My Mac is used for work. I work in a field where data is the name of the game. Thus my computer is constantly having new data stored on it and processed. I do not want (because it is not practical in my situation) to partition my computer so that I can run windows and then take precious, limited space for the game. My laptop has other, and frankly more important, uses.
A review of issues in this forum seems to show that the Xbox 360 version has many issues similar to the ps2 version. This may not be true but seems to be from reading the forum.
There is NO ps3 version. It does not exist. You must buy one of the oldest (touchiest) versions of the ps3 that can emulate ps2.
And finally I support SE axing the ps2. It is an old console that was good in its day. But the point of an online game is the growing, expanding, changing nature. Nobody wants to do dynamis forever with no new content to break it up. Eventually abyssea will be replaced for something new and different. If the ps2 cannot keep up, which it can't, then for the sake of the game it must be allowed to fade away. I think SE should simply announce that they are no longer supporting it. You can still play on it but there will be no new updates, patches, etc. I'm not a programmer so maybe this isn't feasible. But SE needs to say something! PS2 users have been begging for help on these forums for a long time now with issues that are not being addressed. SE needs to make a decision and move forward. Period.
But seriously people, please do not confuse your own circumstances and your own privilege with "if you can't go buy a computer and purchase FFXI pc software right now than you have no business playing the game." This is pure ignorance. Nothing else. I can pay my bills. I can pay to play this game. I could, with time to save, purchase a PC to run the game. But the money for this extra expense must come from somewhere! I must divert money from some other place. Maybe not pay as much on a payment. Maybe not spend as much at the grocery store. A lot of maybes. You say "go buy a pc" as if everybody has extra money laying around. Not all of us do. We can handle our expenses but purchasing a new computer, even a cheap one, is an EXTRA expense. -
09-02-2011, 01:39 PMEconomizerUnless SE wants to make an announcement and have the PS2 version not work in a month, they'll have to continue patching it. I believe that SE would take a page out of Microsoft's book on how to slowly remove the PS2, and announce a timeline for removing support. Patches would be the last thing to be removed, since you need to have the same version to play on the server.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feynman
First, the would announce the timeline and the intention to get people off the PS2. Immediately, sales of PS2 versions of the game would cease. New users who bought the PS2 version would not be able to register an account on the PS2, but instead be prompted to use a PC. If they were so inclined, they could even offer a payment plan for a PC capable of playing it, but this is strictly optional, since SE is not a hardware company. Then, they would make it clear that no more expansions will be made of the PS2. Over the next few months, new content, like Voidwatch, that comes for everyone would still be developed for the PS2 version. After a few months, new content like this would cease, but you would still be able to equip items like this. If an expansion pack for the game is released before the end of the process, PS2 users would only get access to new jobs (if there are any) and gear, but not new areas and quests. After some time, UI features would be added that PS2 users cannot get. Other versions may even get updated textures and other perks that PS2 users do not. Towards the end of this process, as the numbers dwindle, small perks for making your account unable to log onto the PS2 version of the game could be implemented, like a furniture piece. At the complete end, there will be a festival where the PS2 version is deactivated forever.
Additionally, Xbox users could be informed that they must have a larger then 20GB hard drive in order to play (or possibly 20GB hard drives would have to be dedicated to FFXI in order to play) new content, and eventually these too might be phased out.
If SE decides on removing the PS2, it will be a process that takes time, about one to two years notice in a slow process with stages. But it could be done... after all, who expected this game to break 75? -
09-02-2011, 01:49 PMFeynman
I approve this phase out plan! Maybe at a bit of an accelerated pace but giving people time is a good way to move in the right direction but not anger your fan base. But SE isn't good at that unfortunately.
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09-02-2011, 01:59 PMFrankReynoldsI appreciate your honesty. However. I know that on the very surface buying a computer seems like an additional expense, but the fact of the matter is that PS2 is old. It will eventually break. Most people would immediately reap other benefits of owning a computer that are far and beyond FFXI. It's not just an expensive version of a game. It opens the door to endless entertainment. It allows them to do countless different things that they weren't ever going to do on PS2. Hell, they might even find a job that pays well enough to compensate for the investment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feynman
as for the work computer thing... you can buy a spare hard drive for about $20 and install any version of windows for $11 dollars a month through the windows in tune service if you can't come up with the cash to buy a copy outright. This is just one example of many ways to get off ps2 on the cheap.
also note that you can re install the computer version on as many computers as you have <think work, school, your parents house so your not bored when you go to visit> , and there is no disc to scratch / lose.
And to all of you who "just prefer PS2....." : Complaining that Botters, and Real Money Traders, and people who are jerks in game are ruining it ... and then coming in here and telling other people that the game should be held back just because you prefer it that way on your PS2, is a huge double standard. And if you really play on PS2, then you know you have done it. Don't lie. -
09-02-2011, 02:05 PMSpankWustlerMy bluebird of happiness just developed stomach cancer. It's still in the early stages and probably treatable through a mixture of surgery and chemotherapy, though. My bluebird of happiness and I both remain optimistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zemarin