Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

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Originally Posted by Pharaun

Man, I remember leveling on the Darters in the pit when Fafnir popped. We kept on chugging until the group fighting him flailed it and killed us all.

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And you had fun!

Dude, whether people who like to leech in abyssea outnumber those that don't doesn't matter. Shout in Port Jeuno! You can make a party and get 5 people.

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Originally Posted by Zeitzone

And you had fun!

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It wasn't fun because we had to homepoint and ended up losing most of the exp we had gained for the day.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

Dissagreeing is discussion, if everyone agreed, there wouldn't be anything to talk about.

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i know that, but if points are set you cant move them, so where does a discussion brings you? Nowhere.
Its just a endless talking for nothing from both sides.
At the end it is Flaming and has nothing more to do with a discussion. Precisely you cant even discusse about this becouse noone of us can resolve the problem, discussing is necessary to be directed to the person who can change the terms of the subject.

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Originally Posted by Kazen

Because none of the camps were every open. This is something most of you won't remember because you started when ToAU exp was around. Valley of Sorrows was another camp in the 70s but Manticores had a lot of exp and were fairly annoying to exp off of. The manticore's Deadly Hold could one shot a 70ish melee so it sucked pretty bad.

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I played from the start and you don't right manticores to level ever. lol
Starting zone.(Windy had the best XP.)
Dunes.
Qufim.
Jungle.
Jungle.
Garlage.
QC.
Desert.
Kuftal.
Garlage.
Cape Terrigon.
Valley.
Done.

Post TAU.
55+ TAU everything.

Post Abyssea.
30+ Abyssea everything.

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Originally Posted by Zeitzone

Well then acept that some ppl agree to him too, this is a discussion place, not a disagree Thread.
Different opinions will never work together and you cant make them belive your way. So best is if a thread is against your opinion you make 1 post in there for your statement against it and then leave, becouse whatever you say it will not change a thing.

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We're discussing our disagreement in this thread.

In the other thread, we discussed our agreement, while some other people discussed their disagreement. Over time and much discussion, those other people stopped posting about their disagreement, and the remaining people supported each other.

Now something similar is happening in this thread. Some people are agreeing with the thread and other people are disagreeing, and we're discussing our differences.

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Originally Posted by Pharaun

It wasn't fun because we had to homepoint and ended up losing most of the exp we had gained for the day.

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^this. Nothing like taking 40 mins to get to a camp (because people are stupid and get lost, or get aggro, etc.) and dieing right after getting there because either your tank sucked or your healer sucked or some jp guy had to go to sleep and dropped pt with no warning.

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Originally Posted by Kazen

Because none of the camps were ever open. This is something most of you won't remember because you started when ToAU exp was around. Valley of Sorrows was another camp in the 70s but Manticores had a lot of exp and were fairly annoying to exp off of. The manticore's Deadly Hold could one shot a 70ish melee so it sucked pretty bad.

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I had hoped to have blocked the memory of that camp from my mind for the rest of my FFXI-life. Thanks, Kazen :(

I think a lot of you don't understand how bad exp really was back then. With the upcoming server merge and servers once again hitting 5k people this would become a reality again if what you propose is changed. This game simply does not offer enough exp camps to sustain what you want to happen again.

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Originally Posted by Zeitzone

And you had fun!

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So? Maybe we have more fun doing endgame. And because it obviously needs to be said again Leveling jobs does not = FFXI.