Do Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean staves lack utility?

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Originally Posted by Dallas

I've broken the job at the top end. Of course, if you play at the bottom end, you will never see your pet lose hate to you. You know, I could do jack as well, and spend 3x as long killing stuff too. No telling what you need to waste your gear on.

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When you actually arrive at the top end, let us know, ok? By the looks of it, you have a long way to go yet.

Better spend long killing stuff than having to zombie it.

Hey isn't tomorrow when people are forced to link a character to their SE forum account?

Can't wait till the melee SMN god links his mule instead of his main to avoid being found out.

Oh and before someone accuses me of using the same tactic, I openly welcome individuals to pick my gear choices apart for all the classes I play (cept PUP, I locked that class in the basement) and call me out on bad choices.

If I had a melee SMN, you bet id be posting the setup here and looking for criticisms.

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Originally Posted by Byrth

I do, just because I like blue skills. Your position is borderline retarded, which you seem to be realizing in the last few pages.

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Please don't confuse boredom with BGers defending their website's honor with "realizing anything." You don't get to where I am, breaking avatar hate or discovering Ducal Guard by following WAR from a website who endorse using SMN in 2-3 fights.

You have nothing to offer me but postcount. SE has definitely noticed this thread and let it continue. If SE agrees with you that SMN is too gimp, they will fix pets. If SE agrees with me, I'll continue improving the job update-by-update. You won't be a part of it.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

Please don't confuse boredom with BGers defending their website's honor with "realizing anything." You don't get to where I am, breaking avatar hate or discovering Ducal Guard by following WAR from a website who endorse using SMN in 2-3 fights.

You have nothing to offer me but postcount. SE has definitely noticed this thread and let it continue. If SE agrees with you that SMN is too gimp, they will fix pets. If SE agrees with me, I'll continue improving the job update-by-update. You won't be a part of it.

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Discover Ducal Guard first, then talk. SMN's only major problem right now is Blood Pact timers, fixing that will enable SMNs to be able to compete with actual DDs (compete, not beat) and fixing BP timers will make you worse off because you aren't able to keep up with the mp cost for additional BPs. How often are you less than 50% MP? Much more often than I am I am 100% sure of.

You really think doubling BP damage will get you from 100-150 damage to 1000 damage? Who cares if I drop under 50% EDIT (MP), I get 1500mp per Myrkr.

I thought you didn't accept the BG math.

Also, I said 50% MP, not 50% damage. Learn to read.

I thought you DID believe it.

I accept it because it can be redone.

When somebody presents information to you in the form of math, and you can redo the math yourself, that means that you can accept their conclusions.

I did redo the math. I redistributed the damage associated with the 3 mandatory buff jobs back to the buff jobs. Counting party contribution, melee SMN falls from 25% under WAR (unbuffeed) to 33% under WAR (buffed). That is an acceptable level, as I also showed that non-emp GA are much worse than 25% under Ukon.

If Hverg is the bottom emp weapon, but still better than anything non-emp, and there are 10,000 emp weapons, Hverg SMN is still in the top 2%.

Doubling BP speed would be awesome for me, not so much for you.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

If Hverg is the bottom emp weapon, but still better than anything non-emp, and there are 10,000 emp weapons, Hverg SMN is still in the top 2%.

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Somehow, I question your ability to add.