Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

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Originally Posted by Komori

Actually, I can distinctly remember good times I had and laughs when I was leeching DNC to 90.

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^This, minus the DNC part.

I've done 2 types of leeching in abyssea.
First type involved dual boxing a leech + lvl 90 char in shitty pick up alliances. Play the lvl 90, get ops or AFK on the leech.

Second type involved holding KI for linkshell members AOE farming in Tahrongi for their empyrean weapons. We'd have 4-5 people doing actual work, and 6-12 people leeching exp and opening chests. If you collect all the KIs, you get to AFK, so we'd bitch at each other for stealing keyitems, etc.

Zeitzone this is for you.

Again, that's your opinion and it's irrelevant to this discussion that you have started. The game hasn't changed for the worse at all, Abyssea has improved many aspects of the game that have been lacking for a long time. The players that you consider "lazy" are not new players; these players are the people that have been playing since 2003/2004 and no longer need the grind to be good. These players are already at the upper echelons of FFXI and are better than the rest of the server.

If you really miss leveling the old way... no one is stopping you. You can shout in Jeuno and form a party but that would require you not to be lazy like you're being currently. You're guilty of exactly what you're accusing everyone else of (read being lazy)... how hypocritical.

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Originally Posted by Pharaun

I swear that everyone who is all nostalgic over the old way of exping has some kind of video game Stockholm syndrome.

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Pretty much.

Guys, if this is Pimpchan, he's just trolling. Ignore him. For your sanity.

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Originally Posted by Kazen

Zeitzone this is for you.

Again, that's your opinion and it's irrelevant to this discussion that you have started. The game hasn't changed for the worse at all, Abyssea has improved many aspects of the game that have been lacking for a long time. The players that you consider "lazy" are not new players; these players are the people that have been playing since 2003/2004 and no longer need the grind to be good. These players are already at the upper echelons of FFXI and are better than the rest of the server.

If you really miss leveling the old way... no one is stopping you. You can shout in Jeuno and form a party but that would require you not to be lazy like you're being currently. You're guilty of exactly what you're accusing everyone else of (read being lazy)... how hypocritical.

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IC, so my Opinion and of the players who think the same as me do not count, while your opinion and the players who think like you counts. Isnt that a bit one-sided.
You think it has improved, we think it hasnt and it got worser.

Old way of exp sucked the south end of a north bound donkey. With the recent updates to gaining exp you can solo to level 63 on FoV and the nice double exp. If they did raise it, I wouldn't raise it much. Say to 50 or 55. That's where the soloing gets to be like it was in the old days. So I say leave it. Every where you look you will have someone not knowing what to do. Just have patience and give guidance or just kick them from the party and find another lost soul to use.

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Originally Posted by Pharaun

Hey GreatGuardian when did you start playing? You must be a total n00b since you support abyssea leeching. Me I'm a total n00b too since I support it, having only been playing this game since June of 2003...

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Totally late, but it's not like the discussion has moved very far anyways. I am super n00b, as I have only been playing Final Fantasy XI since October of 2003. I am just super jealous of these people who have been playing since 2007 and are upset that Abyssea has introduced better alternatives to leveling than Colibri. I think Colibri were really intense EXP mobs. They taught melees that Bards are good and linking behavior is dangerous. I would not know how to play any of my jobs if I did not kill thousands of Colibri over and over with them.

Maybe if we change all Abyssea mobs to Colibri and gave them different level ranges, people would learn their jobs. That is how people leveled before Abyssea anyways. Level 30 > E Ron Colibri > more Colibri > Merit on Colibri. Would that work? I think it would teach everyone valuable Final Fantasy XI skills ^_^

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Originally Posted by Zeitzone

IC, so my Opinion and of the players who think the same as me do not count, while your opinion and the players who think like you counts. Isnt that a bit one-sided.
You think it has improved, we think it hasnt and it got worser.

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You have no more evidance of this then we do for our side. We will lose something if you have your way you on the other hand have lost nothing from this issue but the ease in which to do your activity.

Learn to read. You're enforcing your opinion on everyone else as fact while you retain that theirs is only an opinion. My post was response to a combination of the posts you've had on the past few pages. I understand this may be hard for you to comprehend but you are no martyr for everyone else. Also, you do not need to randomly capitalize words in your sentences as it is incorrect and unnecessary.

I'm done responding to this specific troll, I have better things to do than talk to someone who can't even grasp the most simple of concepts.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Totally late, but it's not like the discussion has moved very far anyways. I am super n00b, as I have only been playing Final Fantasy XI since October of 2003. I am just super jealous of these people who have been playing since 2007 and are upset that Abyssea has introduced better alternatives to leveling than Colibri. I think Colibri were really intense EXP mobs. They taught melees that Bards are good and linking behavior is dangerous. I would not know how to play any of my jobs if I did not kill thousands of Colibri over and over with them.

Maybe if we change all Abyssea mobs to Colibri and gave them different level ranges, people would learn their jobs. That is how people leveled before Abyssea anyways. Level 30 > E Ron Colibri > more Colibri > Merit on Colibri. Would that work? I think it would teach everyone valuable Final Fantasy XI skills ^_^

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I think so, since everyone knows that doing Sky/Sea/Limbus/Dynamis/Kings/ToAU Kings/Nyzul Isle/Salvage/Einherjar and now Abyssea was boring since it was only about getting gear and not about exping for months in order to become a better player.