What's With the No Future Expansion or Addons?

I wanna hope its a trick and they're planning something but it's coming out in 2012. I'm getting less hopeful about this game every time I see an update containing things we asked for years ago or more of the same content that already exists in the game (see VNM, magian, treasure caskets).

Personally, I'm okay with this. We have a lot coming our way already! We really only need new expansions when the stuff we're getting starts to stagnate.

I'm not a fan of add-ons, though. Moar expansions! When we get new content, I want to be SWAMPED in it!

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Originally Posted by Fusionx

I wanna hope its a trick and they're planning something but it's coming out in 2012. I'm getting less hopeful about this game every time I see an update containing things we asked for years ago or more of the same content that already exists in the game (see VNM, magian, treasure caskets).

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I'm actually kinda excited about all the planned updates, Especially caskets (and Fov!) in more areas.

Its just that i also hope we get to see more of our land :)

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Well, I'm not upset my UI is a crowded mush-pot of useless Junk, I quite like and enjoy my Current UI, and if I ever think its too under-developed, Theres Windower, Why waste Quality Development time improving the UI, If Windower already has those improvements?

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You aren't taking every aspect of the UI into account. Go cast sleep on a monster that's right next to a similar monster. There isn't any way to distinguish the slept one from the non slept one unless one is non aggressive.

Bard songs in your enhancements section are non distinguishable from one another simply by looking at them.

Go into abyssea and try getting your atmas, like any menu prompt in the game the options are painfully limited when they don't need to be. these are just a couple examples of little things that could be improved to dramatically increase usability.

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I don't know what Mechanics you find broken, But explain them to me. I actually might agree with you, but thats too vague for me to recall anything :|

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oh really? have you played ranger or looked at your campaign map lately?

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Frankly, I have enough faith in SE based on Past experiences that if we got a New Expansion with new zones, It wouldn't be entire too half-assed. Even WoTG when initially Release had Camapaign, and Despite Mixed reviews, Was enjoyable and well done. Same with Campaign Ops. ToAU had a lot of Out-of-the-box Content, and was thoroughly Enjoyable while changing Meriting/Endgame for years to come. CoP was hailed as one of the best Expansions to date, and RoTZ changed the game completely.

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uh... WoTG took like 2 years to finish after it was released and not much has been done to maintain everything that introduced with it. evolith? left to rot. campaign ops? nothing new there. campaign battles? again look at your map.

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I know a lot of your complaints are based on the here and now, My thought is that, ~1/2 Years down the road when they've fixed/Tweaked a lot, and we're settling into new content, If they could divert some Time/effort to creating New worlds to explore so when the old content becomes stale, We get not only Newer content, But more zones to explore and experience as a whole.

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The recent updates/roadmap suggest a lot of new content, which I'm a bit upset with. The news surrounding dynamis makes it seem as if the only thing changing is entry requirements and monster spawn requirements. Hopefully there are new incentives and reasons to enter besides relic weapons.

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So i guess what i'm saying is, I'll take both options, Because both are absolutely possible given the allowed time.

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naturally.
unfortunately it doesn't seem like we have that option. resources etc. fortunately enough complaints seems to get people's attention here.

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Edit:And really, We as a community of nearly 200,000+ should never be forced to chose between "Meaningful Content" and "New zones", when games like Everquest can pump out Expansions with new zones and events with much less playerbase, and being a much older game.

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I agree we shouldn't have to choose but these things cost money to produce and there aren't many ways to support the game other than the subscription and add ons every now and then. There aren't any fun little things here and there to get via microtransaction so that hurts the situation a little more.

On the topic of Everquest go google "Fippy Darkpaw". I think you will like the results.

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Its because SE has diverted so much resources to reviving that dead flop of a failure that FFXI has gotten the Sh*t end of the stick in terms of Development Resources. My hope is that once that game finally dies, Or gets off its feet, Restrictions ease up and FFXI Gets more of its team back, and we can go back to having our cake, and eating it too.

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At the risk of sounding evil I would actually argue that FFXIV's failure was a good thing. The days of hiding your game like it's some sort of secret weapon or surprise until the last moment then expecting your audience like it are long, long over. Dramatic changes in FFXI's development from abyssea to twitter feeds to the opening of this forum are indications that SE finally understands that.

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Originally Posted by Gwynplaine

Same argument I replied to earlier. It doesn't follow that because something might turn out badly, you shouldn't do it. Maybe you shouldn't get out of bed in the morning, after all you might catch a cold. It's an arbitrary thing to say.

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I don't think you understand what I said. It's my opinion that we need less new content because too much old content is still broken or would benefit so much from updating that it would effectively become new content.

Getting kinda bored of some of the unnecessary attitude, But i'll bite.

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Originally Posted by Catsby

You aren't taking every aspect of the UI into account. Go cast sleep on a monster that's right next to a similar monster. There isn't any way to distinguish the slept one from the non slept one unless one is non aggressive.

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the mobs name would immediately turn red and/or Purple. Plus the one thats slept won't be killing you. What do you want? "zzz's" coming off them? I mean, Technically it could be done, what with certain ToAU mobs having it. Still, Theres basic signs. One: Slept mobs don't hit you. (don't bring up bind, bind mobs still "Follow" You). I mean. If both mobs are slept, The one you cast ons name will immediately turn red/light-purple.

Would adding "zzz's" Or something to mobs be nice? yes sir, Would i object it? i don't remember every saying i wouldn't.

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Bard songs in your enhancements section are non distinguishable from one another simply by looking at them.

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I can give you this. Are they going to fix it? Probably not. Would i like them too? Yes. When did i say i wouldn't? If you had brought up that specifically i would have immediately agreed with you. You know, "Enthunder" and "Warcry" having the same model as every other Attack buff ever is annoying to me as it is to you. But again theres Windower-Mods and Texture mods for that :x

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Go into abyssea and try getting your atmas, like any menu prompt in the game the options are painfully limited when they don't need to be. these are just a couple examples of little things that could be improved to dramatically increase usability.

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Yes, Cycling through dozens of Atmas is annoying. However in another thread here they mentioned that improving these redundances Isn't possible right now. Its in the "General redundancies" thread.

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oh really? have you played ranger or looked at your campaign map lately?

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Oh Neat! no good argument so we resort to an attitude problem. Interesting idea. I Wasn't being Sarcastic. Seriously, I Genuinely Don't know what you meant by "Mechanics". Are you complaining Ranger has to hit "Ranged Attack" or make a macro with "/ra <t>" to attack with his bow instead of a Ranged Auto-Attack feature? I've looked at my Campaign Map Lately. It shows what zones are controlled by which, Where battles are, And current Influence. Its slow at updated just like everything else in the game (/sea function etc) Is that what you're talking about? Or do you mean like "Its Empty now". Cause if its "Its empty now" i'm sure i read somewhere they mentioned they were planning adjustments to campaign. I could be wrong.

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uh... WoTG took like 2 years to finish after it was released and not much has been done to maintain everything that introduced with it. evolith? left to rot. campaign ops? nothing new there. campaign battles? again look at your map.

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Firstly, I never said WoTG Was perfect on its release, I said it still had a lot to offer. Campaign was already in tact, Campaign Ops System was there, NMs were there. More Campaign Ops Were added when Beauc(S) and Xarc(S) were introduced. including the Shadow-Lord BCNM. Campaign Ops seem rather nice. I use them from time to time to get exp on low level jobs. Evolith System was let to rot because it was a bad idea. Theres a thread on it here I've already posted in, Want my opinion on it go there. Though it really had nothing to do with WoTG other than its release date.

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The recent updates/roadmap suggest a lot of new content, which I'm a bit upset with. The news surrounding dynamis makes it seem as if the only thing changing is entry requirements and monster spawn requirements. Hopefully there are new incentives and reasons to enter besides relic weapons.

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I think they're adjusting Dynamis Solely to make relic weapons easier to Obtain, But maybe they're going to add new incentives to return there. It seems logical.

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naturally.
unfortunately it doesn't seem like we have that option. resources etc. fortunately enough complaints seems to get people's attention here.

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I'm confused if you're saying the attention this thread is getting is good or bad. Cause if its good, why are we arguing?

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I agree we shouldn't have to choose but these things cost money to produce and there aren't many ways to support the game other than the subscription and add ons every now and then. There aren't any fun little things here and there to get via microtransaction so that hurts the situation a little more.

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Why are we arguing again?

I admit I don't know how much money it would cost to Develop another full blown Expansion, But if 200,000 people buy a 50$ Expansion I think they'd make their money back. I really feel this falls back on "FFXIV being a flop and most/all resources being devoted to making it not suck". Which is why I've mentioned I'm willing to wait ~2 Years for a new expansion. It'd just be the knowledge the Expansion was coming.

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On the topic of Everquest go google "Fippy Darkpaw". I think you will like the results.

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Entirely too afraid.

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At the risk of sounding evil I would actually argue that FFXIV's failure was a good thing. The days of hiding your game like it's some sort of secret weapon or surprise until the last moment then expecting your audience like it are long, long over. Dramatic changes in FFXI's development from abyssea to twitter feeds to the opening of this forum are indications that SE finally understands that.

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I know FFXIV Failure was a good thing, because if it was a hit from the Start FFXI would probably be in worse condition than it is now. But at the same time, the fact FFXIV tanked is also a problem, cause a lot of the Resources we could have are devoted to again, making it not suck :|

I wasn't trying to offend or argue with you but trying to make my points in the most brutally honest way possible. If anything I'm arguing with the thread title since it's a complete disregard for the game in its current state.

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Originally Posted by Catsby

I wasn't trying to offend or argue with you but trying to make my points in the most brutally honest way possible. If anything I'm arguing with the thread title since it's a complete disregard for the game in its current state.

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Meh, IF i had Created the Thread it would most certainly be called "Can we expect Full Expansions, Or New zones in the Future of FFXI?"

I'd have to paraphrase it cause i think thats too long.

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There have been a lot of threads and comments related to expansions and add-ons, so I'll shed some light on the current direction. The main focus for this year is to upgrade and expand content through version updates. For example, the current roadmap is filled to the brim with what we feel are exciting and valuable updates. So for this year, we do not have plans at the current moment for expansions or add-ons.

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I think what isn't said is as important as what was.

No mention of any after this year either "no plans this year, but next year we have plans for a big expansion!" nope, not quite sure why it was represented as either/or, we get updates anyway since we pay a full price MMO monthly subscription, the expansions/addons are created by seperate inhouse teams. The fact we won't get one suggests they are busy on something else (so FFXI players aren't as important anymore?).

This really is quite sad, the roadmap isn't really that impressive either given we already have very little to do, now that SQUARE RUINED EVERY OTHER ENDGAME EVENT in the entire game with level increases and made everything else quick and easy to bring it's demise quicker. Oh well guess it's time to start looking for a new MMO once the new ones come out, aside from the fact Square are keeping FFXI on life support here and only doing the bare minimum I have zero intention of my money going to pay for another MMO which is exactly what the loyal XI userbase is being used for.

After reading the SE post I have to say it's absolutely obvious what they are doing when they increased the level cap, it was done purely to suck the life out of FFXI (ruining all existing content) and push us all onto FFXIV out of boredom. Sadly for them FFXIV is total suck and I hope when they finally do push us all off FFXI most of us move to a good MMO company. Tera, Star wars: old republic, Guild wars 2 etc, they don't deserve such a loyal userbase.

Had to read a few pages so I won't go quoting who said what, but I wanted to share my thoughts regardless.
Someone said that a new expansion would cause other content to be abandoned. No it wouldn't. Look at WotG. WotG brought 3 things into the game:
- 2 jobs
- A new storyline(though it sucks that took them 2 years to finish it)
- Campaign battles.
Nothing that the new expansion brought in the game killed the previous content as Ein, Dyna, Sea, Sky, Salvage and HNM grounds were still the endgame events. People bought wotg either to get the 2 jobs or to enjoy the story(a mix of both for me, the latter being a stronger reason). Campaign is dead now? Yeah, but because Aby came out, till then it was always packed, so it wasn't a system that sucked to begin with, just need adjustments now. What I'm saying is, does a new expansion means it has to kill previous content? Hell no, could just be something for a new storyline, a couple of HNM and throw in the new VW stuff or whatever new endgame is already planned.

That being said, in the answer from the mod is not the fact that it won't happen this year that bothers me(as I already said, I wasn't expecting to see it soon), but the fact that it seems that the devs are not even thinking about it for a time in the future. Which would really suck. I'm one who would quit if the only future is new battles. I like to experience them yes, but after a while that's it for me, I've had my share and can go on with my life without it.