Game/Job balance suggestions

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Originally Posted by Olor

No, I am saying compared to GEO all other buffing jobs are behind. I am not saying COR is useless (and yes it is in a better spot than a lot of jobs, and much better than bard) but it's nowhere near equal to GEO in terms of desirability. Unless there are so many COR out there that no one ever needs to shout for one ever... but GEO, well I see shouts for GEO all day and night.

If COR was equal to GEO I expect I'd see people looking for one more than once in a blue moon.

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COR is a DD job(that can buff), and the reason why people don't shout for it is because the community don't recognize COR as a DD job, or recognize it as a DD job but don't know how much dmg it can do. So when they need a DD they shout for BLM BLU BST whatever, when they need a buff job they shout for a GEO.

COR lacking desirability is because the community don't know it can actually do dmg. If they know one single COR can kill many NM faster than avg single BLM(which are often hindered by longgg death recast and 100k dmg cap per SC) with 200k dmg cap per SC, they'd probably shout for COR a bit more often.

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Originally Posted by Afania

COR is a DD job(that can buff), and the reason why people don't shout for it is because the community don't recognize COR as a DD job, or recognize it as a DD job but don't know how much dmg it can do. So when they need a DD they shout for BLM BLU BST whatever, when they need a buff job they shout for a GEO.

COR lacking desirability is because the community don't know it can actually do dmg. If they know one single COR can kill many NM faster than avg single BLM(which are often hindered by longgg death recast and 100k dmg cap per SC) with 200k dmg cap per SC, they'd probably shout for COR a bit more often.

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^this right here, sames goes for the other jobs as well. some jobs take lot more time and effort to become successful. most see cor as a buffer only, there was a time when they was in exp pts nude just to pop the cards. lot of these jobs out here like war,drg,pup,cor,drk are very good DD as well, like example pup is one of the most challenging difficult jobs to become on the top endgame etc list due to how hard it is to understand it. so most pushes it to the side and lvl stuff like bst,geo,pld,whm etc. since the difficulty is set on easy-normal with jobs like that.

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Originally Posted by Olor

If COR was equal to GEO I expect I'd see people looking for one more than once in a blue moon.

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I don't know why people don't invite COR to DD more often either.....

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Originally Posted by Afania

I don't know why people don't invite COR to DD more often either.....

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But did you get the skillchain!?!

Its not the COR itself its the GEO buffs/debuffs.

Geo its the cancer of this game. "Lets create a job make obsolete COR, BRD and RDM". "Then lets force every party have one GEO if they want smooth wins".

If square nerf the "Magic damage" but dont Nerf GEO. COR will be in the same stake as BRD its in the present.

The balance in this game its terrible.

Aside from the bitterness in the tone above. I do believe that Geo is due for some nerfs. Right now it is the only job in the game that's main function pretty much bypasses all concept of level correction and resistance. The highest potency defence reduction Red Mage ever got was 15% on Dia III - a spell we have to merit to have, has a short duration, and is single target. Geo get's it in an AoE, along with an AoE attack buff. And none of Red Mage's most powerful gear, gifts, or job abilities enhance its potency, in direct contrast on how Geomancer's works.

And that's just one example.

It literally has skewed the expectations and functions of the entire game's balance - I believe that deserves addressing.

I'm also not a fan of bypassing Melee Skillchains entirely through Scholar JA's either.

I've said it before. I don't think SE knows what to do with RDM. Jack-of-all trades/Master of none (besides enfeebling) isn't great when you want each player to bring their best.

Enfeebles don't matter a lot of the time.

The only reason I don't want them to nerf GEO is because they won't adjust the fights to compensate. I think it would be much better to just overhaul bard, perhaps buff corsair and I don't honestly know what to do with red mage.

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Originally Posted by OmnysValefor

I've said it before. I don't think SE knows what to do with RDM. Jack-of-all trades/Master of none (besides enfeebling) isn't great when you want each player to bring their best.

Enfeebles don't matter a lot of the time.

The only reason I don't want them to nerf GEO is because they won't adjust the fights to compensate. I think it would be much better to just overhaul bard, perhaps buff corsair and I don't honestly know what to do with red mage.

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Skipped many of the last few pages, but refer to my OP. If RDM can cap magic haste, RDM will be a better addition than a 2nd GEO in just about any group in the game.

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Originally Posted by CrAZYVIC

Its not the COR itself its the GEO buffs/debuffs.

Geo its the cancer of this game. "Lets create a job make obsolete COR, BRD and RDM". "Then lets force every party have one GEO if they want smooth wins".

If square nerf the "Magic damage" but dont Nerf GEO. COR will be in the same stake as BRD its in the present.

The balance in this game its terrible.

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Although I agree that it's GEO buffs/debuffs that makes magical WS so strong, I don't know if I'd agree with the statement of "COR will be the same stake as BRD without magic damage".

From my personal experience, it's still pretty tough to cap pDIF with just fury/frailty, unless you bring an idris and use 1hr or something. But with a COR+GEO it's much easier with chaos roll+ dia 4.

Been doing a lot of ambuscade this month, which is a content that needs physical dmg more than magical. So far every single pt I joined with COR in pt setup runs significantly faster than pt with just GEO as buffer but no COR. I mean, you can always use both GEO and COR in same pt to accomplish best buff results. On the other hand GEO+GEO don't necessary produce better DPS than GEO+COR since there's limited amount of dps bubble you can use after fury/fraility, assuming the pt hit rate is capped and entrust haste last entire run.

If anything it's BRD as a buff job that's screwed. Pretty sure GEO+none aeonic BRD won't produce as much DPS as GEO+COR unless I'm missing something. Haven't done the dps math for GEO+aeonic BRD v.s GEO+COR. Also aeonic isn't available to majority of playerbase atm, v.s COR buff gears require very little effort to obtain and can still produce better results.

Either way, I think COR as a buff/support job is still pretty strong overall. I'd argue that it's in a way better position than RDM and BRD, personally.