Nerf Beastmaster

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Originally Posted by Sogoro

Bazooka, I think you might find that you and Cyleena would actually agree on many things. Cyleena has never said BST should be nerfed and also that other options exist to actually do content. The whole point is that BST is okay, its the problem with people only wanting BST. I logged in to talk with Cyleena in the game to gather better perspective and so forth.

Many of us actually agree with eachother and dont feel that anything should be nerfed, but that players need to think better. I think maybe 1 or 2 people who have spoken in here are the ones who actually want BST to be nerfed because they just simply dont like BST.

The original post is probably the worst offender here. The assumption that BST is easy to mid level content only is ridiculous.

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We actually had a nice long talk on game about bst and such, and you got to see all the bst shouts I was talking about :P. Thanks for the tells Sogoro. Glad you came on game and yeah there is many ways to do content not just with bsts, and there is other options out there to do content, and I wish people were more open to trying different setups and things. As Sogoro even saw in shouts on Asura people were even shouting for bst with cap JP etc to join their runs when to be honest that is really not needed. It is just the player base and how they are set with doing things the way they want too, and do not look at the full potential of other jobs out there as well.

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Originally Posted by Cyleena

So you are putting words in my mouth. Good job. I never said either way if bst should or should not be nerfed, so do not even go there with me.

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So what were you saying below? That bst does not need a nerf, but that you think people should be able to go on here and ask for it to be nerfed without anyone pointing out that it shouldn't? Because if you were trying to be neutral, you definitely didn't come off that way.

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Originally Posted by Cyleena

Maybe it is more of the fact that beast is very disliked atm but people do not want to come on here and get bashed like the bst seem to be doing to anyone that talks bad about the job and mention the word nerf.

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So let's be very clear here. If you don't think BST needs to be nerfed and you aren't here to cause drama, what EXACTLY is your point? Because it sure seems like you just said that the job should be nerfed for the simple fact that some people don't like it. So please. Make it abundantly clear what you're trying to accomplish with the above statement.

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Originally Posted by Cyleena

Maybe it is more of the fact that beast is very disliked atm but people do not want to come on here and get bashed like the bst seem to be doing to anyone that talks bad about the job and mention the word nerf. I hear tons of people on the actual game say how much they dislike how bst is and cannot wait until the nerf. Just because it is not getting tons of people on the official forum saying stuff does not mean that people are happy about bst. I hear complaints daily about bst on ffxi lol. My LS hates me even having bst come to events, and I hear about it if I even have anyone on bst. People complain in shouts on Asura, etc. All the shouts nowadays are bst bst bst bst bst. People are liking the easy way to kill stuff, and only want bst to join their groups, which does make a lot of people unhappy.

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Bst has always kind of been the red head step child though. Way before our pets could even hit anything people would hate on me for using it. Anyways this really seems to be more of a server problem. Asura people are saying all you see want for bst but on Shiva everyone wants nukers and the shouts for schs always even specify the want for ones that can skillchain. Makes me want to go back to my blm and put more effort back into it. The only consistent shouts for bst I see are from Samus and he is shouting for 10 other jobs for 18 man vagary and DM lol

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Originally Posted by Sogoro

The original post is probably the worst offender here. The assumption that BST is easy to mid level content only is ridiculous.

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Haha totally missed that one. Yeah it can definitely be used in higher content though bandwagons will have a considerably hard time

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Originally Posted by bazookatooth

So what were you saying below? That bst does not need a nerf, but that you think people should be able to go on here and ask for it to be nerfed without anyone pointing out that it shouldn't? Because if you were trying to be neutral, you definitely didn't come off that way.



So let's be very clear here. If you don't think BST needs to be nerfed and you aren't here to cause drama, what EXACTLY is your point? Because it sure seems like you just said that the job should be nerfed for the simple fact that some people don't like it. So please. Make it abundantly clear what you're trying to accomplish with the above statement.

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First of all I am not the one turning what other people are saying or making up words to start stuff. I was responding to Dasva saying that there is not as many people on this forum complaining about bst then there was about thf's. All I was saying was that I know SEVERAL people who read these forums but are not bothering to post because of people like you who are trying to stir up trouble and troll, and cause drama over everything someone says, so stop trying to turn everything I say into something that is not true.

Just because people are choosing not to get into this highly debated, very hot topic that gets people like you all upset and wanting to create even more drama does not mean that everyone is all happy about beastmasters. I deal with lots of people on game daily and I hear all about unhappy people over bsts, so I know not everyone likes what is going on with them. Did I say anything bad about bsts? No. Did I say they need to be nerfed? No. I gave my opinion by what I have seen and heard about why people are staying off this forum about it. Big deal. Move on and stop trying to start trouble.

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Originally Posted by dasva

Bst has always kind of been the red head step child though. Way before our pets could even hit anything people would hate on me for using it. Anyways this really seems to be more of a server problem. Asura people are saying all you see want for bst but on Shiva everyone wants nukers and the shouts for schs always even specify the want for ones that can skillchain. Makes me want to go back to my blm and put more effort back into it. The only consistent shouts for bst I see are from Samus and he is shouting for 10 other jobs for 18 man vagary and DM lol

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It very well could be a server thing. Before bst became powerful it was all mages as well that was wanted on Asura (Vagary etc kinda forced that). Now it is totally all bst for almost anything, which I hear complaints about from others daily about groups only wanting bst. Sogoro and I were even watching shouts last night in town and talking and people were shouting for only bst with cap JP for a Escha RuAun T3 NM (not Morta), which is totally not needed but this guy was saying he wanted guaranteed win etc.

I totally know bst been the red head step child. Before bst got powerful it was not used for anything besides being solo, and a lot of people on game still feel that it should be for that. I have heard many people say that. I have two people in my LS with bst geared for endgame, and I have brought them to events a handful of times but bst is not very well liked in my ls. I get lots of complaints if I bring pet jobs because people do not think we should be wasting buffs for them, etc. My LS is more mage heavy and does not have many pet jobs, (2 bst, and a few smn is all and they not "main" jobs but geared and ready to use). I am kinda stuck in the middle with using pet jobs in event. If I do not bring them then they are unhappy. If I do then everyone else is unhappy. Sigh, sometimes it sucks to be a leader of a LS. I try to make everyone happy but realistically that is not possible.

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Originally Posted by Cyleena

Most the people getting upset about bst and the potential nerfs are bandwagon bsts. I know of a few on Asura who get really upset if you say you do not want them on bst, or if you mention about nerf to them (they totally were not main bst before this all happened). There is a lot of people in this forum getting upset about it too if you read past posts, and on other forums as well. Realistically unless you were soloing before bst got more powerful you did not main bst as your job. I do not know of anyone in all the years I have played this game that can honestly say bst is their main job until recently when all of a sudden everyone went bst nutso. People started bandwagoning bst when it got powerful, and now go out for blood if they think you are against having bst in your group and get nasty (and yes it seems like the more serious bst are not the ones bashing but the ones that jumped on it when it became relevant).

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People weren't on BST because it was certifiably terrible before it got recent boosts. I have considered BST one of my mains for a long time... others in this thread defending have been posting about BST for ages...

Also it's ridiculous to barge into this thread and claim Dasva is trying to create drama - when they have been interested in BST for years and have always been a part of BST threads on here.

As far as I can tell you're argument is "people don't like BST so its okay that they are demanding it gets nerfed so they never have to play with a BST"

Frankly, I think it's ludicrous for people to "not like" a job so much that they demand that it's made so bad no one can play it. If you don't like a job, play something else! Why ruin other people's fun?

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Originally Posted by Cyleena

First of all I am not the one turning what other people are saying or making up words to start stuff. I was responding to Dasva saying that there is not as many people on this forum complaining about bst then there was about thf's. All I was saying was that I know SEVERAL people who read these forums but are not bothering to post because of people like you who are trying to stir up trouble and troll, and cause drama over everything someone says, so stop trying to turn everything I say into something that is not true.

Just because people are choosing not to get into this highly debated, very hot topic that gets people like you all upset and wanting to create even more drama does not mean that everyone is all happy about beastmasters. I deal with lots of people on game daily and I hear all about unhappy people over bsts, so I know not everyone likes what is going on with them. Did I say anything bad about bsts? No. Did I say they need to be nerfed? No. I gave my opinion by what I have seen and heard about why people are staying off this forum about it. Big deal. Move on and stop trying to start trouble.

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So in other words I was right and you have no logical response other than to blab about drama. Well this works both ways. There are people reading this who agree with me but don't bother to post because the people calling for nerfs attack them. I hear all sorts of people unhappy about the nerf. Far more than there are happy about it (seriously, what kind of a person gets happy about this stuff?). A lot of people don't bother to post because there are screenshots, youtube videos and spreadsheets that disprove a lot of dumb arguments about bst being the best DD and soloing things that no other job can solo, but the people who make those claims ignore that and continue to say the same things. Who would want to talk to a person like that?

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Originally Posted by Olor

People weren't on BST because it was certifiably terrible before it got recent boosts. I have considered BST one of my mains for a long time... others in this thread defending have been posting about BST for ages...

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Realistically speaking before the big boost there was not that many who thought of bst as a main job. Yes, there is some out there, and it is mostly people who would solo a lot on game. End game shells never looked for bst to join before they became powerful. I run a end game LS and deal with tons of people on game, and I can not really think of any who consider bst main before they made beast powerful that did not solo a lot. I am not saying they are not out there, I am just saying that unless you soloed a lot other jobs were more used. I have handled lots of applications from people and I can not think of any over the years that said bst was main. That being said I know there is people out there that consider it their main but since it became more powerful there was a lot of bandwagon people that jumped on just like there was when thf, blue, etc became powerful. It is how it goes, and we all know that. I was just saying that this whole thing is a very touchy topic off forum and on the forums. I have seen people talk bad about bsts in groups I was in and the people who were on bst were saying they were going to log off etc just cause it got them that upset (bst was not their main, and they did bandwagon it), and I have seen this happen more then once. I know of some people who even have joked about bst or teased people who were on bst about it needing to be nerfed (I did not say it did so please do not twist these words), and the people on bst get super upset over it. That being said this happens anytime any job gets powerful, look at sam, thf etc when they all got boosted, then eventually nerfed.

It is kinda sad that a person cannot even come on the forums and give personal opinions and experiences without people twisting their words, and trying to put words in their mouth (not talking about you Olor). Especially when they have not even said anything bad about the job, or said it needed to be nerfed. I can see people wanting to defend the job they love but people not even saying anything bad about the job are being criticized, and having words twisted into something they not even said.

If they had said bst was their main you wouldn't have accepted their application cause BST was terrible... so of course no one said BST was their main. Anyway, I don't see why it matters to people that other folks play BST. I've heard people %^&*talk BST before and gotten upset - because it's so unnecessarily mean. Why put down other players just because they like a job you don't.

Gosh I remember when people used BST more to farm dynamis. People whined and moaned and yelled at BSTs all day because of that. And we were nerfed, even though we weren't good for much but soloing but people couldn't even deal with that!

PS: watching Asura shouts now. So far we have shouts for:

1 BST
1 MNK
1 NIN
1 WAR
1 THF
1 BRD
2 PLD
2 COR
2 GEO
2 WHM

I am not seeing how having one shout asking for a BST is SOOOOO horrible for other players.