Thief Treasure Hunter

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Originally Posted by Nebo

People do it because it's the most efficient way to do it. Change the most efficient way to do it and people will do it differently.

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People also do it because its the only way to get it done. If you tried to go slowish on a Tojil run, let a PLD tank and bring support jobs to allow the PLD to tank rather than zerg it, you would never reach Tojil. It would take you to long to get to him.

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Originally Posted by OmnysValefor

I'd love to see the thread if you could give me a hint as key phrases to search for.

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Technically we have Triple Attack+11% As if you're a THF and dont merit Triple Attack you deserve your THF Badge taken away :P.

Still, First report, a tad doom and gloom, but see below for the final.

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I took my THF into Tojil run last weekend, was not happy with the results. Against Tojil, I did 13% while the SAM was 21%, MNKs were 19%, 16% and 13%(died). DRG was 15%. Mercy was doing 1.5k the first 25%, about 8k the second 25% when it's weak to piercing and 4k the rest of the time. Don't think I got chaos rolls though, though I did pop RCB and berserk. Exenterator was doing laughable damage the whole way through, doing about 1/3 to 1/2 the damage of Mercy Stroke.

Not to say that THF DD was ever amazing, but the further we're forced to go on without upgrading Mercy Stroke, the further behind we'll fall.

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Second report

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After people started leaving, I jumped my THF to the main DD party and the results weren't bad. First run had me at 14%, drg 15%, mnks 16%/16%/18%/18%. Second run had me at 17.5%, mnks at 16%/17.8%/18%/18% and one pickup mnk at 10%; my damage picked up a bit because I wasn't sharing piercing weak with the drg anymore. Third run we wiped because being a DD, main curing and being the only stunner is a bad idea. Seems alt+tab'ing can only do so much. I don't run a bot, so people died, stun resisted and we wiped.

And also, the core members of my group are all top tier players, have mostly capped gear and everyone has mega boss weapons, and know how to play their job well, so I'm not parsing against a bunch of gimps.

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Both made by the same person, a very reputable person, and a THF i look up too. I believe they've posted here before. If so, Sorry for draggin' ya into this :D

Dunno man, the guy was on stun duty, main curing, AND playing a DD job but was still able to be competitive? Just seems too good to be true.

I imagine it must seem that way, but personally I believe they're a well known and respected THF who knows their sh*t. I trust them as they have no real reason to lie. People just fail to believe the potential THF has because theres so many mediocre gimps that the mediocrity has become the norm and expected.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

People just fail to believe the potential THF has because theres so many mediocre gimps that the mediocrity has become the norm and expected.

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It was not till I read this that I fully understood how similar RDM & THF are so far as their place in this game goes, as I feel the same way for RDM.

Yep, /shame, I forgot about the merit lol.

A mandau thf competing with Oatixur mnks seems to be good to be true. I mean honestly, people wouldn't expect a mandau thf to keep pace with a Vere or Spharai Mnk.

They didn't use Mandau on the second parse as far as i know, But instead used the Megaboss Dagger/Aphotic.

Mandau was only one the first run where you can see they fell behind a strong amount.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

They didn't use Mandau on the second parse as far as i know, But instead used the Megaboss Dagger/Aphotic.

Mandau was only one the first run where you can see they fell behind a strong amount.

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my damage picked up a bit because I wasn't sharing piercing weak with the drg anymore.

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I'm sure he did fine, but in my opinion, there too many factors at play that could account for his % that have nothing to do with The THF job being a competitive DD at tojil.

It's a nice parse, but it doesn't specifically prove much.

Proves at the very least THF can perform competently if they gear right and aren't terrible. The fact he was able to even get 17.5% regardless of having 25% Piercing bonus window means its pretty decent.

I've read similar threads to this one several times so excuse me if I skip over the debate and just drop in:

They should just detect anybody who wears Thief's Knife + Asn Armlets + Raid. Poulaines for more than 30 seconds straight and autoban them.

That is all. Carry on.