Job Adjustments for the Next Version Update

@Glamdring

I knew a THF that would always try to do that to me @75. I laughed when on SMN because I would still never pull hate.
On BLM ... He just made sure I would not lose hate as long as I was alive. We joked about it in vent all the time trying to MPK each other. He gets charmed...kaboom, I do a MB and find out the closing WS was done with TA on me.
I manage to stay alive for more than a minute while tanking on BLM...get ready for Spikeflail :). Well unless its Tiamat, then I just go afk while I wait to be finished getting eaten. (don't wanna piss off the rest of the group)

I definitely appreciate the attention that PUPs are getting... but I'm curious as to what the devs have planned for animators in general. I don't really want to get the new Alternator if it's just going to become junk within a month ^^;

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Originally Posted by Camate

• Puppetmaster

Addition of animators that have stats to increase the parameters of automatons.

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(Also... please improve the User Interface for attachments...)

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Originally Posted by Quetzacoatl

and still no in-depth detail into GEO and RUN updates...

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Just wondering what happened to being in the next version update myself. I seriously want that rune coat and some good merits to spend points on would rock.

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Originally Posted by Volarione

Just wondering what happened to being in the next version update myself. I seriously want that rune coat and some good merits to spend points on would rock.

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I want to see GEO actually get some love for its buffing capabilities as well

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

To people that are pessimistic about potential pet changes (and honestly, I can understand that):

Have you taken a look at the Alternator yet?

If this thing is a sign of boosts other pets will get (presumably with Delve weaponry, but still), I'm honestly not too concerned.

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Yes, but that means any PUP that doesn't have an alternator is broken and worthless until they get one. Their job does not function. No matter what you do, your puppet cannot hit delve enemies even with 3 thunder maneuvers and accuracy attachments. But then you get an alternator, your puppet get 45 more accuracy and it works again. But you can't even play the job, because it cannot do what it was designed to, until you get an item. There's no way for you to, for instance, get an alternator, AS a PUP that needs the alternator.

On the other hand, a WAR, or a SAM that hasn't got a Delve item yet is still fully capable of doing delve. You cannot fix a job with items, unless you're given those items for unlocking the job.

Also, what happens when they add the next tier of delve they promised? Will there be a new animator with all stats+150? Will that be enough to keep up with other players who will have new 350 damage weapons? Because STR+ 70 and Weapon Damage+70 sure aren't the same thing. And if it's not, we're screwed, because SE never goes back and changes things until they are pointless, unless we stop them from implementing it in the first place.

Fix the jobs, don't make players of those jobs put in extra effort to get extra items other jobs don't need, just to keep up. (or worse, still be behind)

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Yes, but that means any PUP that doesn't have an alternator is broken and worthless until they get one. Their job does not function. No matter what you do, your puppet cannot hit delve enemies even with 3 thunder maneuvers and accuracy attachments. But then you get an alternator, your puppet get 45 more accuracy and it works again. But you can't even play the job, because it cannot do what it was designed to, until you get an item. There's no way for you to, for instance, get an alternator, AS a PUP that needs the alternator.

On the other hand, a WAR, or a SAM that hasn't got a Delve item yet is still fully capable of doing delve. You cannot fix a job with items, unless you're given those items for unlocking the job.

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Ehh, pretty much every DD in Delve sucks until they have Delve equips, tbh. For many people, their only solution is to bring a support job like BRD, for which their gear matters far less.

This is not a PUP-specific issue.

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Originally Posted by Theytak

That's nice. Drg is the pet job whose pet matters the least. What about the rest of us pet jobs who actually need our pet to function at all?

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Originally Posted by Duelle

This. DRG's performance comes from the DRG themselves, and as such there's little impact to be seen from buffing the wyvern. Would be better to work on the other pet jobs and boosting DRG on the side.

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seriously? "what about the rest of the jobs that actually need our pet to function at all?" you even play drg? as for function, PUP and SMN do need a pet to function but bst not, what does a pet bst do to your master? nothing... i dont know one pet that is used frequently that buffs a pt or w/e besides the fact the bunny can use wild carrot....But if u strip off the wyvern a DRG is so much less. it wouldnt be able to do the dmg it does now and it would not be able to solo at all, let alone take care of itself or pt members while being /whm. Is that not being a pet needed to be able to play the job? If you enhance your wyvern and 2hr, your 2hr is so much better so... You are seriously about what you say? Then you dont understand the job DRG at all. perm.

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Originally Posted by Samunai

As for function, PUP and SMN do need a pet to function but BST not, what does a pet BST do to your master? nothing.

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While BST does have a questionable relationship with their pet, that is more on the side of how poor jug pet design is.

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But if you strip off the wyvern a DRG is so much less. It wouldn't be able to do the damage it does now and it would not be able to solo at all, let alone take care of itself or pt members while being /WHM. Is that not being a pet needed to be able to play the job?

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Except no respectable DRG would sub WHM for endgame content. Dragoons deal damage and they go into content ready to do that.

The main point is that the devs are giving scaling based on the master's stats to the job that least benefits from it, while other pet jobs with heavier reliance on their pets aside from soloing get more of the same (the wyvern being dead doesn't prevent the DRG from jumping, nor being able to use WS). This is in tandem with the possibility of them throwing in more Pet: Stat gear.

Which just greater enforces the need to directly adjust the pets...as in not binding it to gear.

Whether it's better to bind that to the players stats or directly adjust the pet's baseline states can be open to debate I guess. But the point is NOT requiring one to equip an item to make the pet scale to where it should be by default.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

Ehh, pretty much every DD in Delve sucks until they have Delve equips, tbh. For many people, their only solution is to bring a support job like BRD, for which their gear matters far less.

This is not a PUP-specific issue.

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Well, SAM doesn't even notice that the enemies have increased evasion because Zanshin cancels it out. But Sam has always been SE's overpowered favorite child.

It is most definitely a pet job issue, though. The other jobs kind of suck so they bring a BRD, whose songs fix the problem. The songs that don't hit pets, and thus don't fix the problem for pet jobs.