Pet th - Just hear me out

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Originally Posted by Camiie

Because they had to draw a line somewhere?

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And now they drew it at TH. Drawing the line at an entire category (all traits) is just arbitrary, drawing it at the content of those categories (some traits yes, others no) shows they actually put some thought in it.

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Originally Posted by Camiie

Double Attack, Triple Attack, Evasion Bonus, Magic Defense Bonus, etc. are powerful as well. Should BST pets have any traits at all? After all, every trait they could have is something players have access to naturally or have to sub for. Why is this only a problem when it's a THF trait? Most pets are WAR. Should WARs (including myself) be offended and rage against the BSTs? What makes THFs so special that their job traits are off limits while everyone else is fair game?

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It's not about THF traits, it's about TH. If TH wasn't a THF ability at all, this would still be a bad idea. Because other people would have to make big sacrifices to obtain it, where BST wouldn't. The traits you mentioned are powerful in terms of combat, TH is powerful in terms of utility, which are entirely seperate categories. TH is not gonna help with any fight, but it's a convenience boost in that you don't have to fight the same mob as many times as without to get your desired drop. It does not compare at all to any other traits you mentioned. It's like having a pet that raises all your skills by 1 point every 5min, just by having it out. Contributes nothing to combat, but gives benefits outside of it that save you time and that other jobs can't obtain natively.

Except we had to pay upward of 60~100k everytime we wanted that TH. And I've seen people shout in Jeuno on Bismarck for 20k~100k rewards to ask a Thief with high TH to come tag a mob for them.

There is really no difference, it doesn't affect me either way and people know it doesn't really affect them either. Square Enix nerfed Beastmaster because the rest of the community asked for it, not because they felt themselves that Pets having TH3 was wrong, or they wouldn't have given it to them to begin with. And the community thought that it would mean that BSTs would no longer be as commonplace in Dynamis without the TH3 and what did a selfish community get in return? The same number of BSTs in there longer because now they don't get the same amount of coin. Congratulations.

What I've gathered from the last few pages is there are a great deal of non-BST who are extremely butthurt that we used to have TH3, and all this arguing coming from them is solely because getting it back would make them cry bitter tears at the fact that we can solo better than they can and still get better drops. But either way we still have TH, and we still solo better, which makes that Empyrean weapon you spent hundreds of hours building look silly. My Bunny hits harder than you~

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Originally Posted by Komori

Square Enix nerfed Beastmaster because the rest of the community asked for it, not because they felt themselves that Pets having TH3 was wrong, or they wouldn't have given it to them to begin with.

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None of this is even remotely correct. People never asked for it to be removed and SE never gave it to them in the first place. SE simply made a THF pet, who happened to have THF traits. And people never complained about TH, they complained about BST in Dynamis and especially BST behavior. People said long before this nerf happened that reducing TH wouldn't alleviate the issue.

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Originally Posted by Komori

The same number of BSTs in there longer because now they don't get the same amount of coin.

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Again, completely wrong. People who make a relic, make another when they're done. People who are done with relics make money for relic and empyrean upgrades as well as mythics and any other items, of which there are a massive number over 1M in price these days. People will never not need money anymore. As such, people will always be farming more. Slightly increasing or decreasing BST's average Dynamis yield will make no difference in that matter.

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Originally Posted by Arcon

None of this is even remotely correct. People never asked for it to be removed and SE never gave it to them in the first place. SE simply made a THF pet, who happened to have THF traits. And people never complained about TH, they complained about BST in Dynamis and especially BST behavior. People said long before this nerf happened that reducing TH wouldn't alleviate the issue.

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Actually sir, I can recall seeing a great deal of bitching regarding BST in Dynamis. The overwhelming amount of bitching about it is focused in several threads on the content forums, for example the "Nerf BST" thread which is a conglomeration of angst, whine, and cry about BST farming Dynamis more efficiently than other jobs. Many posters echoed the sentiments of the OP, agreeing that BST deserves to be nerfed because how dare we solo better than others as a solo job. There are many direct references throughout the thread regarding Dynamis currency, and it's just a humorous coincidence that shortly after that and other threads appeared discussing the same topic did our pets lose TH3.

Fact: Devs gave two of our pets TH3.
Fact: There are literally hundreds of whining posts about BST farming currency in Dynamis
Fact: Devs removed TH3 only after the tears began to literally drown them in their office cubicles.
Fact: Arcon is a banana.

P.S.: Our "behavior" is not BST exclusive, it is standard fare across all jobs. Jerks come in all flavors, dear.

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Originally Posted by Caketime

Actually sir, I can recall seeing a great deal of bitching regarding BST in Dynamis.

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That's exactly what I said, as was the entire rest of your post. Don't need to reiterate to me what I already know, but thanks for trying.

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Originally Posted by Komori

Except we had to pay upward of 60~100k everytime we wanted that TH. And I've seen people shout in Jeuno on Bismarck for 20k~100k rewards to ask a Thief with high TH to come tag a mob for them.

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The gil-for-gear playstyle of BST is a major problem of the job, and I'd said as much earlier, but the answer to that problem is to make jugs cheaper.

So Arcon, you agree that the rest of his post is a reiteration of what you already know?
So you agree that

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Fact: Arcon is a banana.

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Originally Posted by Malthar

So Arcon, you agree that the rest of his post is a reiteration of what you already know?
So you agree that ?

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When I reply to trolls I ignore their troll attempts, so I ignored that statement. Anyone with half a brain will know to ignore it as well and instead stay on topic instead. Unlike you, apparently.

Why do people act like TH = ultimate advantage in the game anyway? I wouldn't be bothered with SE increasing drop rates across the board or just giving most jobs the ability to equip TH gear. Since a THF will always be able to do it better because they can build more TH besides what they have on gear and will always have the most gear for it. Thief will never be touched when it comes to replacing them for drop rates alone. But the outright butthurt or anger at the thought of a level 99 Thief pet "not deserving" or Beastmaster itself getting TH being this much of an outcry is ridiculous.