Rant About Current End Game - ADL and Voidwatch = Old FFXI, No Thanks

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

1) meditate gives 180 tp to an empy sam too which is is about 2 ws.
2) You can't maintain AM3 because there is basically no mob that last more than 3 minutes, even ADL, which has 100K HP, lasts the equivalent for maybe 45 sec... So unless you solo everything with BRD/COR/WHM and your mobs always have 400K HP you can't maintain AM3 without wasting it.
Therefore in 99% of the content you are switching between mobs that may or may not be at camp already, runing from position A to B etc. It's clear at this point that the only thing you do is voidfail, good for you, but that alone doesn't justify doing a mythic SAM.
3) I've explained you that PUP (and *maybe* DRG) will rape any DD with mythic or not, with AM3 or not, because the WS doesn't suck @ 100 TP. Any alex wasted on other jobs is fail, unless you have tremendous amount of gil of course.
4) Where is the best gear right now ? Think about it.

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Dynamis, VW, Legion. You do realize some people only have 1-2 jobs that they actually plan on making weapons for, so why not go all out. It's YOUR view of wasted gil, because you gear all your jobs with LOLrelics. Sam can easily maintain AM3, and there's no denying it, or you just don't play sam enough lol. I'm not going to do the math, because it's common sense lol. Amano get's kaiten, big whoopy. Sam doesn't rely on tp phase to do damage, and amano surely isn't going to put it on par with its ws frequency. Why would any sam in their right mind use amano. 1 hit ws have 95% acc, and any proper sam will have good acc is their ws set, therefore amano is USELESS compared to masa or koga for 99% of monsters in this game. Masamune 99 is a great option, only about 200 mil, provides 20 str, and the ability to fudo, which has good SC properties. Kaiten even with 40% damage bonus is still weak. You obviously don't understand sam and I give up. Am3 on drg and sam are the easiest to keep at lvl3, and provide amazing boosts to their jobs. And no pup will not "rape" every other DD lol. Their TP gain is extremely slow compared to drg, samurai, warrior, drk, even dnc. They could never maintain a proper DPS to compete unless they activated lvl 3 aftermath, even with their pets. Not hating on pup, just sayin it's not the best DD out there lol. And barely anyone does your damn ADL because there is alot more to the game then dynamis and farming damn marrows.

My SAM is level 0 and there is a reason. Just for your info relic monk is slightly ahead of empy monk outside of zergs, so relics are not "lol", they are just the best normal weapons typically.

1) eyeballing, amano is garbage and empy sam is better. But anything is better than SAM anyway. So stop trying to imply I said the sam relic iis the best weapon.
2) Yes pup will rape any other DD (incl mnk) with kenkonken most likely. Their mythic is = the dps of vere with a WS that = 1.4 x victory smite and -40 delay or something huge, plus they can use it at 100 TP unlike other fail mythics. The pet is just the cherry on the cake.
3) TP gain means nothing, what matter is pure damage from dot. Don't make us laugh with you 150 DMG 450 DMG weapons ; a relic MNK is outputting ~266 damage in 280 delay (2 fist @ 117 DMG, 30% chance at a kick), is gaining TP slightly slowlier than SAM but has a better WS lol, better crit rate and attack (impetus).

I can math out a comparison of TP gain from SAM and mnk they are not too far either. At cap haste you are looking at like 6.18 rounds on average to get 100% TP on spharai monks (less as vere monks obviously). With 2x march (hasso for lol SAM) both will get ~100 delay between rounds so you are looking at :
6.18x100/60 = 10.3 seconds for one weapon skill
while on 450 delay-6 hits SAMs it's close to
5*100/60=8.33 seconds
So no SAM don't get TP extremely fast compared to monks or pup lolz. Once you realise the monk did WAY MORE dot during those 10 sec than the SAM did during 8sec, and that mnk's WS will put the SAM ws to shame, the comparison is sealed.

Now consider Kenkonken PUP like a slighty slow monk with a 40% boost on his weaponskill, you get the picture, and that's only when using KKK @ 100 TP. If the PUP strats using his AM3 on a zerk he can only win. I think my ws on ADl do like 2-4K damage on monk, that should be 2.8-5.6k on pup and more frequently, though for our strat that won't matter since we tend to hold damage (and anyone doing adl should hold until 25%).

Did you really just compare tp gain of a mnk and a sam lol? Man you know nothing about sam and you're talkin as if you're a pro on it. Look up Ikishoten and the new zanshin with hasso. half the time sam ends up with TP overflow from just using hasso. Via you get a hasso zanshin proc at 80% tp with a 5 hit build in 36% haste solo. I know war/sam can't come close to a samurai TP gain, and that is with retalliation tanking too, so no way in hell can a mnk come close. You don't know anything about sam. How can you trash on a job you don't even play lol? And not everyone runs around in double march situations.... I kinda can't believe how you're saying "outside of zerg" situations it's not good lol. Ok so then they have a 90 masamune for when they aren't in a zerg situation, (which is rare for sam btw). It's not like masamune takes any effort. And I guarentee you, you're one of the very few that would contest the idea of a mythic sam being worse than a masamune samurai lol, less yet thinking any other job comes close to a samurai tp gain.

Oh and have you seen shoha? It's a pretty consistant 3k+ when buffed. I have spiked up to 5.5k with just double attack....No'one is going to contest the idea that MOST mythics can't maintain lvl 3 AM outside of zerg(like VW), but saying samurai and drg can't maintain the lvl 3 just makes me think you have no idea what you're talking about. And yes, yes I have 90 verethregna too. It doesn't come close to sam tp gain.

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Originally Posted by Fupafighter

How can you trash on a job you don't even play lol?

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Because it's fairly aysy to math out and was already done long ago while we still were at 75. Since you play SAM you should be able to inform us on the average time it takes you to reach 100 TP. Somehow I bet you can't give anything serious, mentionning Zanshin shows that you have no real clue of what makes or breaks TP gain. I'll do it for you though. But I'm sure you are going to contest it anyway lol.

Because you're talking about a 75 sam tp gain lol. Standard sam has a 5 hit with 25% haste in gear alone. With a 437 delay. With meditate being triple of a subjob samurai. Hassozanshin is a 25% proc rate, from my understanding, and gives almost 60 tp when it does proc. And all your scenareos are basically "I have a brd double marching me so tp gain isn't an issue", when be realistic, 95% of the playerbase doesn't get double marched fulltime. Half the time on my samurai, I end up with 160 tp just from hassozanshin procing or I can self sc w.o using meditate or sekkanoki, how in the hell is samurai garbage lol?

Not it's not 25% proc rate it is 25% of your base zanshin rate, it would act as a 11% DA rate except that QA TA an DA will be check first. Let's imagine you have 20 DA rate and 3% TA rate it would give roughly

with hasso+zanshin 1+0.03*2+0.97*(0.20*1+ 0.80*( 0.11*1 ) )=1.339 attacks on average
without 1+0.03*2+0.97*0.20*1=1.2540
It acts about as 9% DA rate. granted it gives more TP every time it proc but really it neglesctable seeing as this happen on 10% of your melee rounds.

You play SAM and have no clue what influence your DPS in what proportion. Meditade is definitely a minor part in SAM's TP gain. At best it is like 2 min 30 recast, what does this mean when it takes you 8 seconds to get 100 TP ??? It's funny that you are now mentionning that "you don't always have double march" because it's a neccessity to make any mythic AM3 worthwhile. So now when things go wrong with your arguments you try anything to counter it. I'm standing on my point that 2xmarch-hasso-6hit SAM takes roughly 8 sec to build 100 TP while monk takes 10. But maybe you'll find argument for getting TP faster than 8 seconds lol, who knows.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

Not it's not 25% proc rate it is 25% of your base zanshin rate, it would act as a 11% DA rate except that QA TA an DA will be check first. Let's imagine you have 20 DA rate and 3% TA rate it would give roughly

with hasso+zanshin 1+0.03*2+0.97*(0.20*1+ 0.80*( 0.11*1 ) )=1.339 attacks on average
without 1+0.03*2+0.97*0.20*1=1.2540
It acts about as 9% DA rate. granted it gives more TP every time it proc but really it neglesctable seeing as this happen on 10% of your melee rounds.

You play SAM and have no clue what influence your DPS in what proportion. Meditade is definitely a minor part in SAM's TP gain. At best it is like 2 min 30 recast, what does this mean when it takes you 8 seconds to get 100 TP ??? It's funny that you are now mentionning that "you don't always have double march" because it's a neccessity to make any mythic AM3 worthwhile. So now when things go wrong with your arguments you try anything to counter it. I'm standing on my point that 2xmarch-hasso-6hit SAM takes roughly 8 sec to build 100 TP while monk takes 10. But maybe you'll find argument for getting TP faster than 8 seconds lol, who knows.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qhm7-...eature=related That dumb blonde is basically you, because you're retarded. Just done talking to you lol. You even think pld sucks.

Quickly running out of arguments.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

6.18x100/60 = 10.3 seconds for one weapon skill
while on 450 delay-6 hits SAMs it's close to
5*100/60=8.33 seconds

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LOL! 6hit 450delay sam?
you count average rate for a mnk VS a sam not getting TP from zanshin hits, and a fail build?

using your "hasted delay aproximation" but a 5hit (still not bothering with zanshin procs)
4*100/60=6.66...