More nerfs for War & Ukkos.

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Originally Posted by scaevola

[..] when could we have scheduled the nerf to come down so that it wouldn't be so offensive to your delicate sensibilities?

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Anytime before they added the 95 trial. Who cares about Glavoid? And even that takes some people weeks to finish, because they casually do it with a friend or two hunting NMs a few times a week, not farming KIs with an entire alliance to get it done in three days. But the real cock punch was doing that after they released a ridiculous trial knowing that people will spend massive amounts of money on it (and even if they didn't know before, they would after seeing for themselves).

Call it whatever you want, the amount hardly matters anyway. What matters is that people will feel betrayed by this. Why should they ever wanna invest in anything, knowing SE may gimp it at a whim? Was it a mistake of them to invest in it? You may say yes, but think about it... if this really was the best weapon, wouldn't that precisely be the reason why you'd invest in it? Or should we always wait a year to see if SE won't nerf it first, just to be safe?

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Originally Posted by Arcon

You seem to be bitching more than all the WARs in here combined. Also, the degree of the nerf doesn't matter at all for what people are complaining about. Even if they only lowered the critical hit rate by 5% it would still be a reason to complain, because it's not what people paid time and money for. They paid for the weapon we have right now, not a worse version of it. What if someone had to decide between which empyrean weapon to take to 95, and while other weapons weren't as good they would have preferred them. However, in the end they were swayed to go with Ukonvasara, because it was just good enough to overshadow the importance other weapon. Now SE go and nerf it, and whoever spent 200M gil on it basically just got an anal probe. Whether they lower the critical hit rate by 5% or 30%, it doesn't matter. That person got screwed for their decision, even though it was made completely rationally and to the best of their knowledge.

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You spent time for a great weapon and Ukon is still a great weapon. The relatively miniscule time investment to get said weapon to a point where it's above all other options is so small that it magnifies the amount of tears being shed here. You'd have a point if it took more than a week, and that's pacing yourself, to actually acquire it. You'd have a point if it were nerfed below any of the other GA currently available.

If you paid for a Ukon(pre 90) then you were doinitwrong. Unless you actually have a 95 Ukon then the investment in plates doesn't apply to the argument. The level 90 version is still atop the rest of your options iirc. Even at level 90, pre-nerf this weapon was overpowered and at worst will make the playing field level again. Problem? Solved.

I have nothing against warriors in general, but I can't subscribe to feeling bad for them because their greatest weapon, which remains their greatest weapon post-nerf, is now omgawesome instead of wtfoverpowered.

Edit: There are many people spending their precious time and money for weapons that don't provide as much benefit to their damage dealing capabilities as a nerfed Ukon will for a warrior...

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Originally Posted by Babekeke

Dam this nerf, now other jobs will be able to take part in events, not just mnks and wars!

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No? This nerf isn't going to make other DD anymore popular than they already are, I'm sorry. We'll just all do less damage now with this combined with the BR nerf.

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Originally Posted by Scribble

You spent time for a great weapon and Ukon is still a great weapon. The relatively miniscule time investment to get said weapon to a point where it's above all other options is so small that it magnifies the amount of tears being shed here. You'd have a point if it took more than a week, and that's pacing yourself, to actually acquire it. You'd have a point if it were nerfed below any of the other GA currently available.

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No, it takes you a week, pacing yourself. It takes most people weeks, playing as they can. Call it "doinitwrong" if you want, it doesn't change the fact that many people invest a whole lot of effort into it. If that effort was ill-spent or not, that's another issue entirely.

I hate this thread. Not because of the legitimacy of the complaint (which there is), but because people post in it for the wrong reasons. Which gives people like you fuel to go against them. Most of what you said is right. Whining about the actual nerf before we know what it is is retarded (as I also pointed out in the 99 trial thread, which is equally useless). But people do have a right to complain about SE punishing them for a decision they made based on the facts that SE presented us with over a year ago, which they're now about to change (namely, the factual strength of the weapon).

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Originally Posted by Scribble

Edit: There are many people spending their precious time and money for weapons that don't provide as much benefit to their damage dealing capabilities as a nerfed Ukon will for a warrior...

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They do so of their own free will though. They know that their effort isn't for the best empyrean weapon and they're ok with it (apparently, otherwise they wouldn't be doing it). This is not about a strength comparison, this is about us being able to trust SE with what they do.

Sadly, this game is a large timesink. And sadly, some decisions will cost a whole lot of that. So before we invest into something, we want to know what it does, we want to know exactly how hard it will be to achieve and what we will gain from it. Otherwise you can expect a shitstorm from the community, as can be witnessed here. SE should have known better.

I wish I could like Arcon's statement more than just once

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Originally Posted by Arcon

No, it takes you a week, pacing yourself. It takes most people weeks, playing as they can. Call it "doinitwrong" if you want, it doesn't change the fact that many people invest a whole lot of effort into it. If that effort was ill-spent or not, that's another issue entirely.

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I have no issue with people putting in effort. If you are paying for people to farm items for you prior to plates then yes, you're doinitwrong because you don't actually put forth that effort(farming aside). You say you're being punished, but you still don't know to what extent or if it ever requires the weight that the word 'punishment' brings.

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This is not about a strength comparison, this is about us being able to trust SE with what they do.

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I disagree. Most people are upset because job x will now be closer to their output. Those who are reserving judgement until the changes are implemented are at least being reasonable about it, but I'd guess that most of those wouldn't be bothered to go beyond 90 Ukon anyway.

BR buffs the entire party, removing the Crit Damage increase from it is actually going to make everyone deal less damage for no real reason.

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Originally Posted by Arcon

Anytime before they added the 95 trial. Who cares about Glavoid? And even that takes some people weeks to finish, because they casually do it with a friend or two hunting NMs a few times a week, not farming KIs with an entire alliance to get it done in three days. But the real cock punch was doing that after they released a ridiculous trial knowing that people will spend massive amounts of money on it (and even if they didn't know before, they would after seeing for themselves).

Call it whatever you want, the amount hardly matters anyway. What matters is that people will feel betrayed by this. Why should they ever wanna invest in anything, knowing SE may gimp it at a whim? Was it a mistake of them to invest in it? You may say yes, but think about it... if this really was the best weapon, wouldn't that precisely be the reason why you'd invest in it? Or should we always wait a year to see if SE won't nerf it first, just to be safe?

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Come tell me that after they shit down dark knights throat with that Apocalypse haste nerf cap. SE CAN and WILL blow any melee down to shit like they have dark as long as Sam is on top. Many people spent years to get Apocalypse for just that reason.

Yes it was broken but by your arguments sake it should still be top DD because of the vast amount of time spent which was way more than any Uko. warrior ever dreamed of spending. They took the zerg end game out of the zerg end game job and gave it to every other melee which now have way more potential. I guess cry me a fucking river because dark has dealt with this for a long time now with SE trolling them.

It just amazes me at the same people who spent their time saying dark are emo melee are the same ones blowing up the forums with this emo shit. This isn't even a bad nerf compared to the shit dark has been trolled with. Hell let me have a RR version for scythe(same mods)to use and I would be happy.

This whole thread is like a boiling pooh stew full of crabs in a pot. Every A-hole with a keyboard talking about how glad they are that some other guys hard work got dumped on, when they should be using it to ask SE why they are busy nerfing shit instead of applying the fixes and updates needed / promised for other jobs and content.

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Originally Posted by Chriscoffey

Come tell me that after they shit down dark knights throat with that Apocalypse haste nerf cap.

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You even whine about other whiners. And you come in here, telling us about how much you whined and how you whined first and how now we come and infringe upon your rights as whiners. Man you DRK are emo. Seriously.

Just for the record, no one said they were happy about any previous nerfs. I really don't know why DRK, RNG and THF come in here and say shit like "We've had it even worse, you don't get to complain!", who the fuck cares? The WAR who complain because now other jobs may be better are stupid. That's not an argument. It's not a race. But you guys who come in here just to gloat about how now WAR sucks (big news: it doesn't) are equally stupid. This about sums it up perfectly:

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

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