Anyone try Apoc/RR/SS?

Yeah I concur, sometimes it's just like that.
On targets with enough HP it's a totally different thing and it makes me feel so powerful to pull off those insane SCs ^^ but in most other situations it's usually just wasted damage and the SC doesn't even go off because the target dies too soon D:

True, usually I am fighting +2 or emp item nms when I do that. Usually what I will do is if I see puppet close to tp I will put up thunder and fire, leave him on the mob I am fighting and target a secondary mob to use my TP on.

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Originally Posted by esoR

if your puppet is stronger than you (VE) outside abyss, in its current state. you're doing something wrong. ws wise, it might rarely spike dmg to be equal to pummel (depending o the target) that being said,i often will ws 2x before my puppet hits 100 and decides to ws. i'd rather not wait for when my puppet decides to ws, to SC. its more of a bonus if/when it does happen.

if you're trying to wait on SC's you're probably waisting potential dmg and lowering you're overall DoT, to gain some extra spike dmg. that might be positive on small things, but in a prolonged fight, it's just going to slow you down. (hypothetical fight where you A: actually come pup or B: actually melee)

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You are quite special to think the VE frame gets armor shatterer

also even if you get TP faster than your pet you can attach the INHIBITOR attachment to make your pet SC will you

meant to say string shredder, you were the one who suggested AS, which would imply valorshot or SS. bringing up a different situation, calling survivability and tp gain rate into question. which, that frames tp rate is even slower.. putting the master further ahead. if you're implying AS is stronger than pummel, i will agree.

in a majority of situations i happen to be faced with, AoE will kill sharpshot before it gets enough tp to ws. also if you're using inhib, and for those that dont have VS, the puppet wouldnt favor AS, over something that would sc.

The biggest problem with pet sc'ing is this:
1) Its worthless inside abyssea
1.a) You cant use it on exp mobs, they die before it goes off
1.b) you wont use it on +1/+2 mobs cause the mobs at 40-60 % before all procs go off, and even then you are usually on blm/brd/blu/whm/mnk/war
1.c) If your using rr/ss/apoc or rr/gh/apoc neither you or your pet will have tp, you have to use SD or VV which means you have slightly less dps for everything else

2) Outside of abyssea its incredibly useful if you get it to go off, but currently for me its about 3 of my ws before the pet is ready and even then on an exp mob, its dead from either my ws or the pets ws.

3) Which leaves you voidwatch, a situation where your pet is more likely to die from ae then get the tp to ws skill chain, and add in the 15+ other people spamming ws at the same time, you will never get that skill chain off.


TLDNR:
Skill chain is good, and nice for epeen numbers but unless we get a sam type ability to 'force' a pet ws even without 100tp 1 time every 5 minutes, its too hard/wasteful 95% of the time to even bother trying for them.

And yes, /gasp. I just recommended a situation where you can use SD and gave an example of why...see, it wasn't that hard!


Edit; also jar...wtf is up with your picture.

I thought it looked like some fat guy strangleing himself with a chord before i realized that it wasnt arm fat it was the chair, and that chord was the stick figure itself...

now i am gonna forever picture the fat guy with the chord :-(

Nice, these lasts posts from you people are more in line with what my experiences have been. I thought I was the only one having issues in using SCs everytime :D

Funny I never have problems matching TP with me and puppet and constantly spamming SC at around 100-120 tp. And it is incredibly useful in abyessa, I am shocked people would say it wasn't. With my group fighting emp and +2 mobs we constantly doing dark. Between Nin emp ws, Dagger , pummel and Shredder , I wouldnt doubt on some of the mobs we hitting 20k in damage just in skillchain dark damage. Mobs have been going down very fast.

some ppl just dont know how to position for AoE =/ all so self Skill chaining is the shit in Dyna, einherjar, limbus, and empyrean farming(you know when green doesnt matter <3).

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Originally Posted by Dfoley

The biggest problem with pet sc'ing is this:1) Its worthless inside abyssea

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Perhaps for you its worthless---depending on your play style---not all play styles are created equal.

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Originally Posted by Dfoley

1.a) You cant use it on exp mobs, they die before it goes off 1.c) If your using rr/ss/apoc or rr/gh/apoc neither you or your pet will have tp, you have to use SD or VV which means you have slightly less dps for everything else

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Perhaps for you, exp mobs have died before a SC went off--but I've seem a number of factors play into this:

1. The weapon you are using (empy weapons may cause too much dmg (per swing) for the lower tier mobs, however after a while and once the abyssea mobs have "leveled" they tend to become much more resistant to dps, increasing the chances to skill chain for a set-up not geared for it (because they won't die as quickly) and much more often for a set-up that is geared for it...(since dps goes down, chances for tp build go up...increasing chances to skill chain between pet and master = eg. darkness)
2. How your automaton is geared (attachments used...if using Heat Capacitor then TP may not be as far off as you make it seem for the automaton) in addition to using a non-empy (multi-hit-from personal experience) weapon..lower dps, but greater tp regain.

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Originally Posted by Dfoley

2) Outside of abyssea its incredibly useful if you get it to go off, but currently for me its about 3 of my ws before the pet is ready and even then on an exp mob, its dead from either my ws or the pets ws.

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Nothing for me to say here... btw, this is probably the first statement I've seen in your posts where you apply something based on your personal experience---I have to give you credit for it.. Nicely stated. :)

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Originally Posted by Dfoley

3) Which leaves you voidwatch, a situation where your pet is more likely to die from aoe then get the tp to ws skill chain, and add in the 15+ other people spamming ws at the same time, you will never get that skill chain off.

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I agree completely with this statement... the prayer... HOPE... is that SE's revamping of attachments will allow our automatons to be as resilient as avatars and bst pets, which, in my personal experience, LAST A LOT longer and can TANK/HOLD these voidwatch NMs long enough until the party/alliance tanks have recovered in emergency scenarios. Which translates into they don't die in 5 - 7 melee hits and can take a few hard hitting TP moves...

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Originally Posted by Dfoley

TLDNR:
Skill chain is good, and nice for epeen numbers but unless we get a sam type ability to 'force' a pet ws even without 100tp 1 time every 5 minutes, its too hard/wasteful 95% of the time to even bother trying for them.

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Sorry can't agree with you based on the above... but again, we're talking PLAYSTYLE, which includes weapon, automaton, attachments, equipment, atma, mobs...etc etc etc...