[dev1024] Job Adjustments - Scarlet Delirium

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Originally Posted by Urteil

You do know that BLU has two darkness based nukes.


And we the ALMIGHTY OCCULT ACUMEN CLASS, have yet to get.


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Yeah, I was hoping we'd get a line of Magic Attacks that were Dark Magic versions of Banish/Holy. My suggestions were:

• Dark Magic - Demi / Demi II / Demi III / Scathe: Deals Dark Magical Damage to an enemy.

I would be glad to use these on the back line more often instead of our lackluster Elemental Magic. Yeah, we have a B skill in it, but the damage with Elemental Magic doesn't match our Melee Damage. Why SE didn't think to give us Magic Attack Bonus as a trait beforehand is beyond me.

Not to mention, I don't think I would consider Drain and Aspir to be "Dark Magic Attacks" the same way Banish and Holy are "Divine Magic Attacks." With Holy II coming out, I wouldn't mind seeing BLMs with Scathe II.

Also, where is Dark Celerity!?

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Originally Posted by Urteil

I'd trade Scarlet Delirium for a one dollar bag of sour patch kids.

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can i have some?

I think the JP players agree with us NA players on Scarlet Delirium. I was looking through the JP forums about it via Google Translate, and doing a little research brought me here:

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Originally Posted by Dahlia

現状レッドデリリアムの効果だと、アビ発動後の被ダメが低ければほとんどダメージボーナスなし、だからと言ってHNM等で大ダメージを自分以外が被弾するのをわかっていてスタンなし、もしくは与TPおかまいなしに突っ込んで行ってWSを誘発等するのは盾役＋ヒーラーから見るとちょっとしんどいかもと思います・・・多分PTの火力UP以前の問題かも。（乱獲時ならなおさら大ダメージを受けることもすくなそう）

と思うので、レッドデリリアムのポテンシャルを活かすなら、、あくまで私感でのフィードバックになりますが、以下のようなアビリティならすごく使いやすくていいんじゃないでしょうか？（アビリティ自体の設計を変えることになるのかもしれませんので、そこはあくまでただの一案ということでご了承くださいね）

レッドデリリアム発動中は被ダメを累積（一定時間）、累積中はダメージUPなし。さらにその被ダメによる累積ダメージを開放できるアビが（例えば学者の机上演習の蓄積→蓄積完了アイコンのようなイメージです）別にあれば、もっと使いやすくなると思います。累積完了から解放するまではしばらくの間（机上演習のように2時間とはいいませんが）累積マークで残ってるとか。ダメージUPは解放時～一定時間持続（例えば1分）とか、そんなイメージだと使いどころが想像しやすかったりします。

暗黒騎士が強くなって欲しいとは思いますが、現状のレッドデリリアムだと、ポテンシャルを活かすためには上手に被弾しないといけない？ような感じを受けますよね・・・・本来のテクニカルさとは真逆行ってる感じがして、このまま実装だとまず使わない（むしろ使うべきじゃない）かも・・・・

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Google Translation:

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That the effect of red deli Liam Currently, no damage bonus almost A low bad day after casting loon, no stand that you know you to被弾other than their massive damage, etc. HNM nevertheless, and TP given or to induce such WS digs without a fuss has been a previous problem could possibly think of PT UP firepower might look a little tired from the shield + healer role. (So ​​little, especially if major damage even when over-fishing), so I think if Liam utilize the potential of the red deli, but I will only feel the feedback in, very nice and easy to use if the following abilities plunger will not do? (Maybe it will change the design of the ability itself, where I Please note that only a just idea) accumulated during the bad fire under Red Deli Liam (constant time), while cumulative No Damage UP. Avi is the cumulative damage due to be released that day more useless (like the icon is an image storage complete tabletop exercises → accumulation of scholars, for example) if separate, would be easier. Accumulated until the complete release from a while (like 2 hours and tabletop exercises will say) and I left a mark or cumulative. UP is a period of time - when the damage sustained release (for one example) or a Yasukatsu can imagine the use that image far from such. Want it stronger, but I think Dark Knight, and Liam's current red deli, to harness the potential is well I should被弾? Technical nature and I feel like I receive I will go to the opposite feeling, without first leaving that implementation of this (rather not use) may

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Basically, if i'm reading this right, this post is saying basically all of the ideas and issues we're presenting here: Scarlet Delirium should receive cumulative damage over the course of the duration, with a decaying release with every melee swing or Weapon Skill used. And, being technical with this Job Ability is only going to put the job in an opposite direction of what we want Dark Knights to be able to do for alliance tactics.

This is only an example, but don't take this as a stone-cold representation of what the JPs are saying. I'm not positive that this is the exact context in which this post is presenting, but it looks like it. In fact, here's a better post that summarizes it:

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Originally Posted by Beobeo

レッドデリリアム

使った後の初弾ダメージ依存だと
使ったと同時にディアガとか来たら目も当てられない(゜ーÅ)
せめてリキャが短ければいいですが、それも微妙となっては
何時使うことを意識したアビなんでしょうか？

希望としては、
①使用時に減っているＨＰ％に比例してダメージアップ
②使用してから上限つきで累積でダメージアップ
①②どちらの場合でも効果時間を２分～３分に延ばして欲しいです。

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Red Deli Liam dependent damage that the first bullet after using too terrible to look at and come together with Diaga Toka (° over Å) is shorter but I Rikya least, it also is subtle and when to use what I was aware of what a loon? Hopefully, damage up in proportion to the HP% has fallen while using ① damage up cumulatively with the upper limit using ② I want to extend to 3 minutes to 2 minutes duration in either case ① ②.

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Either way, it's safe to say that the JP players aren't happy with Scarlet Delirium either and agree on the idea of Scarlet Delirium taking cumulative damage instead of taking a fixed number damage.

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Originally Posted by Quetzacoatl

I think the JP players agree with us NA players on Scarlet Delirium. I was looking through the JP forums about it via Google Translate, and doing a little research brought me here:



Google Translation:


Basically, if i'm reading this right, this post is saying basically all of the ideas and issues we're presenting here: Scarlet Delirium should receive cumulative damage over the course of the duration, with a decaying release with every melee swing or Weapon Skill used. And, being technical with this Job Ability is only going to put the job in an opposite direction of what we want Dark Knights to be able to do for alliance tactics.

This is only an example, but don't take this as a stone-cold representation of what the JPs are saying. I'm not positive that this is the exact context in which this post is presenting, but it looks like it. In fact, here's a better post that summarizes it:



Google Translation:


Either way, it's safe to say that the JP players aren't happy with Scarlet Delirium either and agree on the idea of Scarlet Delirium taking cumulative damage instead of taking a fixed number damage.

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I hope they wont listen the first one. Bonus decaying with every hit is stupid and always was. Knowing SE if they would implement that it would be -5/10% every swing.

Just wondering if we'll get an adjustment like bully did to make SD useful for DRK because atm i see no use for this.

The use that SE has posted works against normal party mechanics.

And the fact they said u need to be in range to stun a mob when you stun is a magic spell so u can cast it outside AoE Range.

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Originally Posted by Atoreis

I hope they wont listen the first one. Bonus decaying with every hit is stupid and always was. Knowing SE if they would implement that it would be -5/10% every swing.

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The general point is this:

Square, make this ability receive cumulative damage so we don't have to worry about having to be counter-productive in using this ability. What use would it be if healers are only focusing on the more desired DD jobs in the party, such as WARS, NINs, MNKs, etc.? As long as they're alive, what good is DRK using this ability for if we're purposely -trying- to die using it?

One step closer to death is one step closer to being the worst DD ever: one that is dead.

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Originally Posted by Quetzacoatl

The general point is this:

Square, make this ability receive cumulative damage so we don't have to worry about having to be counter-productive in using this ability. What use would it be if healers are only focusing on the more desired DD jobs in the party, such as WARS, NINs, MNKs, etc.? As long as they're alive, what good is DRK using this ability for if we're purposely -trying- to die using it?

One step closer to death is one step closer to being the worst DD ever: one that is dead.

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One step closer to death is one step closer to being the worst DD ever: one that is dead.

This is going in my signature.

The fact that we haven't gotten a reply yet is infuriating and disappointing.

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Selzak: I sincerely would rather not even have this ability as it is. It'd just be trash sitting in the JA list. I feel the same way about Tactical Parry.

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Urteil: I feel the exact same way too.

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I Agree with Selzak. They can take "Scarlet Delirium" and "Tactical Parry" and find someone else to unload terrible ideas on.

I'm all for them just not adding this to DRK and saving the space for something useful.