Another food update?

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Your DPS matters, because killing something faster = Popping next one faster/moving to next mob faster = more drops in that time = better over-all Haul for your group.

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Except killing is 1% of what you do and the 99% left are procing and running around ¿ So no, you are wrong (as always), no wonder you are one of the few people w/o empyrean yet. Food and gear don't increase your ability to claim a ??? don't decrease the respawn time of a ??? or don't make it so that you proc faster which is the ONLY thing that matter in FFXI atm. If I could get 1 coin per kill in dynamis I would rack 1000 coins, problem is I only get 250 because 99% of what I do is procing,procing,procing turning my back away from the NMs ...

I love how majority of the people here think gear/food is pointless.

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Originally Posted by Raksha

I think you guys are using the term "DPS" differently.

I think he's talking about normal melee hits or "white damage" as opposed to WSs

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I'm willing to admit that, however, your white damage does matter after its proc :X

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

Except killing is 1% of what you do and the 99% left are procing and running around ¿ So no,

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Killing is not "1%" of what you do. Unless you like to watch a mob kill itself, Procing is the 1% and killing is the 99%. You proc then kill, Your damage matters when you kill a mob. If anything its 50/50, Proccing > Killing in level of importance is 50/50.

Procing = Better results
Killing Faster = Moving on to next mob = bigger haul in general

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no wonder you are one of the few people w/o empyrean yet. Food and gear don't increase your ability to claim a ???

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You're right, lets do everything naked, nothing matters, Once we proc the mob kills itself right? Right?

no? you have to kill it?

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don't decrease the respawn time of a ???

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Odd? I thought killing a mob in 1 minute means that its only a 2 minute wait(Fight + Respawn) till the ??? comes back up, where as if you're terrible and take 10 minutes to kill it, thats 11 minutes waiting.

If a group takes 5 minutes to proc/kill a mob, its 1 minute to repop = net time waster: 6 minutes

If another groups takes 2 minutes to proc/kill, its 1minute repop = net time wasted: 3 minutes

If another groups Takes 1 minute to kill/proc a mob, its 1 minute repop = Net time wasted: 2 minutes.

While the ??? is always 1 minute repop, Killing faster = Net time gained, Your DPS (After procs) Is the difference between waiting 10 minutes, and waiting 2 minutes.

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or don't make it so that you proc faster which is the ONLY thing that matter in FFXI atm.

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Actually what matters is procing AND then killing it quickly so you can fight it again/move on to the next mob.

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If I could get 1 coin per kill in dynamis I would rack 1000 coins, problem is I only get 250 because 99% of what I do is procing,procing,procing turning my back away from the NMs ...

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seems pointless to bring up, If you read my first post, I said "Proc then kill", After your proc = DPS matters. If you take 2 minutes to kill a mob after proc because "DPS doesn't matter", you can only kill about 60 mobs in the 2hours you're allowed in Dynamis, not counting the time it takes to farm the TE's, where as if i kill a Mob in 1 minute because "DPS does matter", i can double what you earn.

Its all about net gains, Every time i kill something faster than you, I can move on to the next thing quicker, and get more things done, and it benefits my group as a whole.

Again, This doesn't matter to everyone, But (as always) i'm right, If your goal is drops/killing/procing/getting on with your life, DPS Does matter, after procing.

And again I might be using the wrong term, I should just say "Your damage as a whole after procing matters"

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

Except killing is 1% of what you do and the 99% left are procing and running around

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Have you actually killed anything that mattered in a small group? Or is your opinion based off the weak +1 seal NMs?

Also 70+ stones? News flash: Not everyone is like you. If stones aren't important, then why do people get in merit alliances just to build up TE?

I have no idea how you can not have hundreds of stones stacked unless :

* you started abyssea very recently
* you only solo
* you play 100% of the time in abyssea without getting crap.

I got full AF3+2 and empy like a big numbers of players and I have 250 stones. You need ~50 stones for full level 90 empy and full AF3+2 if you play normally. Of course if you solo everything that's another problem but please don't come giving us lesson on how stone farming is anywhere something needed.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

* you started abyssea very recently

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This is my case, I've had less than 10 stones at one time in my entire abyssea life [aka since last month]. I still need to finish getting the time/stone abyssites, 48min per stone is very desirable.

On the topic of food, first post forgot to include the RNG food, the Pot-au-feu? the acc foods, mainly all those sushi everyone gets... stuff like that, y'know?

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

I want you to please forgive me if i come off rude. (especially if im not understanding you right_



Unless you're with people who's biggest achievement in life is counting to potato, When the focus is to proc, You get procs first, then focus on Killing. Not both at the same time.

Your DPS matters, because killing something faster = Popping next one faster/moving to next mob faster = more drops in that time = better over-all Haul for your group.

If you don't care about this, thats fine, simply do not talk like its perfectly acceptable. Some of us do not believe this to be true and when focusing on things and being efficient enough to move on with other things, The damage you deal is useful.

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Woah there kiddo, you're taking this a bit far then i expected, i actually do USE food and most of that was a bit of a joke. but you'll have to forgive it if it seemed noobish as all i'v been playing with latelty are retards (love PUGs) who get the fucking mob to 1% because they want to express there e-peen damage and just now get red procs or kill it enitrely. my MAIN point was it's not always NEEDED, giving this is based on playing with pts full of empyeans raping everything in sight in cases like those it's not good. slow down there.

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You proc first, Then zerg, your performance helps everyone around you.

Again, If you don't feel killing a mob quicker to move on to other mobs or your other activities is worth improving your gear/weapons/atmas/etc, Thats fine, If you feel its not worth your time to better yourself and help your party more, thats fine too.

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You do not have to explain to me how abyssea works, i have done it to long not to know.

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I have 350+ Some odd stones, thats not the point. The point is unless all you do with stones is terrible pick up groups full of full Teal/perle/Aurore failures who are the same type of players who pee their pants when someone mentions the word "Ruby Light", then your DPS does matter.

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Like i said about, that IS all i'v been forced to play with latelty. Persistant perle and pink rangers have pretty much burned images in my head, i seriously think cerb is full of the most gimps.

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"DPS doesn't matter" is the reason Pick-up EXP groups usually crash and burn when you get 1 ruby light, while i can sit there with capped Ruby/azure/amber and keep up my time just fine solo on Puppetmaster, while skilling up.

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coming from somone who just duos empys i can keep up full amber and azure without ruby, but that is mainly due to the fact i either fight none-rubying mobs or i simply use weaker ws in place of Hi.

Again, most of that wasn't what it intended, in summery food "DOES help" but it is certainly not a nessassity.

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Anyway, Sorry if i come off a bit angry, i try not to be.

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Oh really.

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I responded, Yah, I'm mad. This is a very retarded statement.

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Saying stuff like this on another forum pretty much just made you a hypocrite with the "i try not to be" oh? did i shock you? yes i read BG as well. please do not 2 face me, you never know who reads the internet.

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PChan has made his debut in that thread now :X

I'll probably walk away after the next response, If anything i've learned, arguing with Pchan is pointless.

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You dare insult me with that retard? i'm appauled. takes things less seriously why don't you. still walking?

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Originally Posted by Vortex

Woah there kiddo, you're taking this a bit far then i expected, i actually do USE food and most of that was a bit of a joke. but you'll have to forgive it if it seemed noobish as all i'v been playing with latelty are retards (love PUGs) who get the fucking mob to 1% because they want to express there e-peen damage and just now get red procs or kill it enitrely. my MAIN point was it's not always NEEDED, giving this is based on playing with pts full of empyeans raping everything in sight in cases like those it's not good. slow down there.

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I can .... Sympathize with this. You are correct sir.

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You do not have to explain to me how abyssea works, i have done it to long not to know.

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You know how you always go with stupid pick up groups? i feel like its thee same for me. Problem is I've come to assume everyone is that level of bad. Sorry!

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Like i said about, that IS all i'v been forced to play with latelty. Persistant perle and pink rangers have pretty much burned images in my head, i seriously think cerb is full of the most gimps.

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It probably is, Should come to Asura >________> We're #1 in brain trauma from headdesk :D!

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coming from somone who just duos empys i can keep up full amber and azure without ruby, but that is mainly due to the fact i either fight none-rubying mobs or i simply use weaker ws in place of Hi.

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I wish i could remember non-ruby mobs in each zone =.=a, i normally just pick the squishiest mobs and rape em :X (Floaty Balls are fun)

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Again, most of that wasn't what it intended, in summery food "DOES help" but it is certainly not a nessassity.

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I concur, its not a necessity! However, It does help a lot, As i explained above, Its a good net gain if you can kill quicker :O!

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Oh really.

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Check the times i edited that post, made the second, and third. Read back in that thread and You'd see I'm known for editing my posts... A lot

I edited it down a lot, its much nicer than it used to be. I just didnt get to editing the BG ones.

You ever been really angry at something, and then later calmed down, and realized you looked like a dick? yah thats how i felt, Unfortunately i was out at dinner (And couldn't edit)

That pretty much explains the rest of your quotes.

On a bright side, I stopped reading here and everything seemed like you kept a level head, This makes me very happy. So i have no qualms apologizing. Just like you i deal with... bad people... now and again, Its degraded me.

Friends?!

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Oh, And Pchan, I don't own an Empyrean because I'm working on a Relic. I've explained this to you before i think. My friends are getting Empyreans, in exchange they're helping me get a Mandau. It has nothing to do with any other reasons outside of I'm not interested in an Empyrean.

I am however, about ~20% of the way to an Ukonvasara simply from Excess Shells/Scales/Claws i've collected from PUG/etc.

Oh great, putain-chan is on SE forums.

On topic, if stones aren't an issue than the rest of the argument is still valid. Just replace "save stones" with "relax and do something else". Faster you kill after proc, faster you pop next pops, faster you get all your drops, faster you are done with the content. More time you have to spend doing other content, or more time you have to do something else completely.

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Originally Posted by noodles355

Oh great, putain-chan is on SE forums.

On topic, if stones aren't an issue than the rest of the argument is still valid. Just replace "save stones" with "relax and do something else". Faster you kill after proc, faster you pop next pops, faster you get all your drops, faster you are done with the content. More time you have to spend doing other content, or more time you have to do something else completely.

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I'm sorry...did...you...say OTHER content...there is OTHER CONTENT IN THIS GAME!?

lol 70 was being generous, i have seriously went from 78 stones to below 20 doing so much random crap, including doing gun by my self. So the "relax and do something else" would definatly apply in my case. but to be fair i wasn't careing about stones and just dumping them into the npc like they were going out of style.

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Oh great, putain-chan is on SE forums.

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You need to remember the general rule about stray animals, if you don't feed them, they won't come back.