Arch Dynamis lords difficultly.

I do it as sch, don't see why BRD couldnt do it.

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Edit: Your "6 man group" still uses a 2hr ability for every kill you do. Killing 6 in one run would require either a 2hr restore or spare SMNs. Either way, it's more than 6 characters. We've done a kill with 5 people, but 2 of us were dualboxing. Do I get to call that a 5-man kill?

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I see you are still butthurt about the video, but it's actually a 6-man kill unlike what you try to imply. If you want to impress us go 5-man it.

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I see you are still butthurt about the video, but it's actually a 6-man kill unlike what you try to imply. If you want to impress us go 5-man it.

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No no, each individual kill you do really is 6-man (at least if we assume all of your kills look like the ones in your videos). But here's the deal: you said you 6-man 6 kills in one run. You actually require 11 characters to do that. You worded something deceptively in order to boost your ego.

I don't care what you call our kills. I'm just pointing out that you wouldn't let ME get away with a claim like the one you made. So why should I let YOU get away with it?

Dualboxed characters count if you use them, if they helped you get to that point, if they buffed you, etc. You use at least 5 spare characters, and without them, you wouldn't be able to kill more than 1 per run. Therefore you do not 6-man 6 kills in 1 run. You 11-man 6 kills in 1 run. You 6-man each individual kill. (I assume).

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So why should I let YOU get away with it?

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I had no hopes. By definition trolls defend their bone until the other side gives up posting ?

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

I had no hopes. By definition trolls defend their bone until the other side gives up posting ?

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Trolls ignore logic and use phrases like

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Cool story bro

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I see you are still butthurt

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Will I call you a troll for that? No. Trolls are stupid on purpose just to get other people to rage. There is no "on purpose" about the things you say, and you're not attempting to get people to rage.

But you are wrong about many things, and you say them with such certainty. I can't resist correcting you when you make mistakes like saying "ADL splits after 30 seconds no matter what" or "ramuh's shock squall has a set duration" or "everything I've said about ADL is true". With a few tweaks to the way you see things, I honestly think you could be a respected member of the ffxi community, but you need to accept that sometimes you're wrong and learn the difference between proof and intuition.

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I do it as sch, don't see why BRD couldnt do it.

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the ??? vanish while you figth ADL. the fight lasts at least 1m30 + 1 min wait for the ??? to repop. Soulvoice is 3mn. not 10+. Of cours the magian spec should work here, but not the ???.

I think you can stay locked even when you pop it because after I pause my buffs and ADL pops I have to hit escape to engage. In the case of BRD, and by extension SCH (lol regain, but hey the idea comes from BG it must be good ; oh and I forgot : 2 minuet > nothing), I'm not sure if that would be useful. It means the brd is useless for the fight, while he could log on his SMN mule for a free stun.

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Originally Posted by Monchat

the ??? vanish while you figth ADL. the fight lasts at least 1m30 + 1 min wait for the ??? to repop. Soulvoice is 3mn. not 10+. Of cours the magian spec should work here, but not the ???.

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You stay locked even after the ??? disappears. Soul voice duration is the same as Tabula Rasa, so a bard should be able to multiple pops, just like I do as SCH.

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I think you can stay locked even when you pop it because after I pause my buffs and ADL pops I have to hit escape to engage. In the case of BRD, and by extension SCH (lol regain, but hey the idea comes from BG it must be good ; oh and I forgot : 2 minuet > nothing), I'm not sure if that would be useful. It means the brd is useless for the fight, while he could log on his SMN mule for a free stun.

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Sure you could log in his SMN mule, or you could have soul voice in every fight. Up to you I guess.

Ok say you have a COR(which you do to reset 2hrs) to do ADL then you can easily lock chaos roll on DDs w/ Red curry and berserk i'm pretty attack will be capped meaning minuet does very little/nothing

So really BRD vs SCH is

Capped haste vs Capped haste + 7 Regain + 141 Regen

If you don't have a COR (far enough your going in for 1 run) the 95/99 Emperyan BRD prolly is better.

Why are people still fighting with lolpchan? He's just an arrogant noob who hides behind this forums "protection". No point debating further with the thick headedness of Quetz ppl.

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Ok say you have a COR(which you do to reset 2hrs) to do ADL then you can easily lock chaos roll on DDs w/ Red curry and berserk i'm pretty attack will be capped meaning minuet does very little/nothing

So really BRD vs SCH is

Capped haste vs Capped haste + 7 Regain + 141 Regen

If you don't have a COR (far enough your going in for 1 run) the 95/99 Emperyan BRD prolly is better.

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Dude you'd need both COR and SCH to match BRD, suck less ; the less people the better. Regain is 100% useless on the fight.

420+ skill + haste spell doesn't cap 2 hand dd

news at 11

they can't be this stupid

we lock embrava and have our brd give us double minuets + 4 cor rolls and embrava. then we lock our dd and pop. unless it gets endeath move off we can do multiple back to back to back.

regen has helped us out on 3 of our kills so far. When we had to kill a 3rd and 4th clone (our MA really sucked at picking the right one lol)

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Dude you'd need both COR and SCH to match BRD, suck less ; the less people the better. Regain is 100% useless on the fight.

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For your all-monk setup, perhaps. In my group's setup, we have a WAR who does 6-10k damage on resolution, so every bit of TP we can give her is good TP. We also don't pop PD until the first ADL is at around 70% HP, so the regen from embrava and regen V keeps us alive.

Since we have SCH capping our haste, I don't have to come as bard, so I come as cor instead. That way I can give buffs, deal damage, and attempt to restore 2hrs after the fight. This is what works best for our group because of the people we have and the jobs they have leveled. You need to learn that just because people don't spend months leveling and gearing different jobs in order to conform to your methods, it doesn't mean they need to "suck less".

Even your method is far from being perfect. If you could get one more DD in your group, your bard could SV, give songs to 5 DDs, drop from party, lock on the ???, and then you'd add your SMN, PD, pop, and fight just like before except you'd have soul voiced songs instead of normal songs, and you'd have one extra DD. Your bard does nothing after songs are up and is just a waste of a party space. But you're making use of what you have, just like every other group. Doesn't mean you suck.

No because I'd lose one SMN.

How important is it for the 2nd SMN to have PD? He could be in a separate party.

It can stun the second copy.

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420+ skill + haste spell doesn't cap 2 hand dd

news at 11

they can't be this stupid

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@ 417 enhancing skill you'll cap haste w/ Embrava + Haste

SCH can cap magic haste for all DDs

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just to help ya read the bit you missed.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

Dude you'd need both COR and SCH to match BRD, suck less ; the less people the better. Regain is 100% useless on the fight.

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COR isn't needed to be played on the fight so can be someone playing a second char or w/e kinda the same Logic of your BRD switch to SMN blah blah (also COR has main use to reset 2hrs as well)

Anyway Regain is useful unless your saying Victory Smite is gimp and i'm sure every 2-3 ticks you get you'll get 1 attack round off you build and ofc you get more than 2-3 ticks when your back is turned for SMNing or if you every get terrorized.

now i'm not saying it's amazing but it's at least 5-10% useful even on MNK lol.

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No because I'd lose one SMN.

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But you're making use of what you have, just like every other group.

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Yes, I did say your group has room to improve (if you add another DD to your group is what I was trying to imply). But I'm saying you don't suck because you're lacking that 5th DD. Just like how every other person who does ADL doesn't suck because they don't have exactly the same number of players, the same number of dualboxed characters, the exact same jobs and the exact same gear as your group. So stop saying they suck, they're making use of what they have just like you.

No my group has the perfect setup. No group of 6 or 7 can kill the second clone reliably without a second stun, also rezeak clearly doesn't kill ADL if he thinks regain is useful.

MarkovChain clearly doesn't kill ADL if he thinks tp is useless lol honestly it's not hard to kill ADL key is embrava, stuns and perfect defense.

Either way prove regain adds 0 DMG then it's a 100% useless bearing in mind these small facts

Victory smite
Delivers a fourfold attack. Chance of critical hit varies with TP.

Resolution
Delivers a fivefold attack. Damage varies with TP

Also say you miss one hit mnk regain won't recover that missed attack so u don't lose attack 1 round ?

The 21-28 Tp is enough to take 1 attack round of your build when you can't get tp because of it spliting.

I'm just saying it's not 100% useless, it's not vital but it definilty helps your kill speed if only by 5%

inb4 another random insult cause pchan can't agrue or understand basic concepts of tp = WS = DMG

In order to kill ADl you limit your damage, even as 6, that's why you don't WS spam therefore regain is useless and your SCH is just N+1. I do 3 WS per fight, and only 3, getting those TP earlier will not help me because for the first half it would mean I would waste a popset by having it triple clone, and because for the second half you hold TP and ws under 20% to kill it instantly - doing otherwise is playing with fire as you take the risk for it to wake up and wreck you. But hey I didn't expect much from someone that made a QQ thread about how krequiring 18 ppd to kill ADL is too hard.

You limit your damage on the whole fight? We sure don't. As soon as he splits, all bets are off and the WS spam becomes extremely useful. Your technique of saving TP until 20% would be useful for avoiding dynamic implosion, but he gains access to tera slash earlier in the fight. We even had a really unlucky one where one of the clones used violent rupture pushing all our DD into the same corner, and the other one immediately used tera slash, killing 2 of our DD. 5 seconds later, both used tera slash killing off everyone except the sch. Limiting your damage after the split is foolish. Even my group of 3 DDs pumps out enough damage to kill the first clone and start in on the second clone before shock squall wears off, and we don't have to save up TP to do that.

It's a zerg. If you have maxed haste and embrava, you don't need to hold your TP to hope you'll have it at 20%, you'll have TP by the time shock squall hits. You'll have TP several times before shock squall wears off. Which is a good thing if you kill the wrong clone. TP is a good thing.

Tera slash rarely happens prior to 20%, and by doing so I can kill two copies. Lestly ragain is unlikely to give one free ws all it does it tp faster so stop mixing everything. Embrava doesnt allow for "TP spam" which is weird seing a 3-4 Victory smites are taking 30% of it's damage for us.

You're saying 3-4 victory smites do 30% of his HP? 30% of 100,000 is 30k damage. 30,000/3= 10,000. 30,000/4= 7,500. So you're claiming your smites do roughly 7,500-10,000 damage. That's a helluva smite to do post-nerf. Not saying it's impossible, but... damn. If you had 15 people do 7,500 damage WSs, you'd overkill him before he even had a chance to split.

Hrm... makes me wonder if I could find an army of resolution DRKs and WARs...

He probably means 3 or 4 VS per mnk.

No. 3-4 victory smites ( + the corresponding light skill chains and melee attacks : when a mnk WS the other is meleeing) take easilly 30%. I aggreee with him. THe regain on embrava is irrelevant in a zerg in genera, especially for 2-handers who get tp so fast.

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You're saying 3-4 victory smites do 30% of his HP? 30% of 100,000 is 30k damage. 30,000/3= 10,000. 30,000/4= 7,500. So you're claiming your smites do roughly 7,500-10,000 damage. That's a helluva smite to do post-nerf. Not saying it's impossible, but... damn. If you had 15 people do 7,500 damage WSs, you'd overkill him before he even had a chance to split.

Hrm... makes me wonder if I could find an army of resolution DRKs and WARs...

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4 VS, some if not all are mirrored in a Light SC, and a huge amount of DOT since not all monk ws at the same time and since SS lasts a good 10 sec minimum. I can understand that drk & war have no clue what dot means though. I'll remind you that if monks were 2 handed DDs they would have 300 ish DMG on their weapons with less delay.

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Originally Posted by Monchat

THe regain on embrava is irrelevant in a zerg in genera, especially for 2-handers who get tp so fast.

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Except 7 tp alone allows WAR and DRK to easily 6 hit w/ Ragnarok w/almost no gear sacrifices....

Either way like i said you can't prove regain has 0 effect even overflow adds DMG to WSes

I mean it comes down to this if you have a SCH and why not have as much Regain as you can.

anyway i'm sure you won't drop this and it but my point is still valid that saying something is 100% useless when it clearly has some effect (if even a small effect) is why pchan/mdkuser is considered an unreible source and why pple ask him to post Vids and stuff because there so unclear.

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4 VS, some if not all are mirrored in a Light SC, and a huge amount of DOT since not all monk ws at the same time and since SS lasts a good 10 sec minimum. I can understand that drk & war have no clue what dot means though. I'll remind you that if monks were 2 handed DDs they would have 300 ish DMG on their weapons with less delay.

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First of all, if you do 4 smites, 2 light SCs are the most you can get and that's if you delay between smites. That would still require 5k damage per smite assuming your light SCs go unresisted.

Second of all, you claimed you save up TP to finish him off quickly and used that as an argument against regain. If you're delaying your smites enough so they all become part of a SC, you could actually make very good use of embrava. You wouldn't have to save up TP to do 2 SCs at the very end, you could keep doing SCs the whole darned fight.

Third of all, a level 99 mnk with full h2h merits and no further h2h or martial arts gear has 48 base damage and 280 base delay. Add on a level 99 verethragna (+42 dmg, +51 delay) and you're 90 base damage and 331 delay. With enough h2h gear, you could boost that base damage up 2 points though, I suppose, so I'll give you 92dmg/331 delay. Also have to keep in mind that monks get to attack twice every attack round (sometimes 3 times), but that doesn't double your base damage. Even if we did let you just double it, you're still looking at only 184 which isn't 300ish.

Fourth of all, we've already been over this with shock squall. 10 seconds is not the minimum duration. Even little level 0 mandies had it last for less than 10 seconds several times.

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You wouldn't have to save up TP to do 2 SCs at the very end, you could keep doing SCs the whole darned fight.

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last I checked embrava doesn't give 300 tp at once so you are wrong (as always)

Wow Pimpchan...

You really love to put down others while looking like a complete dumbass at the same time. I'm glad not every french players are like you.

Inb4 ban ^^

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last I checked embrava doesn't give 300 tp at once

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No, not 300%TP at once, it gives you more TP more quickly, meaning you can WS again faster and continue SCing after the last one finishes. Unless I missed it at some point where he said "Embrava gives you 300TP" then by all means, yes, your correct. From what I understand hes saying you can continue SCing with 4 MNKs when your getting an extra 7TP a tick, that seems fairly reasonable seeing as the TP gain your talking about with the time it takes for the other 3 MNKs to WS. I'm sure in the time it takes the 3 MNKs to WS the 4th MNK will have attacked enough (especially with regain) to WS again, continuing with the next MNK, and so on, so that your constantly able to SC.

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you could keep doing SCs the whole darned fight.

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Yeah, looks like what I said, MNK1 gets the TP to SC with MNK2 by the time MNK3 & MNK4 have finished theirs, sounds right to me!

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you are wrong (as always)

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He showed a clear example of you being wrong, so as for him being wrong always, no, you need to check your opponents previous posts before you even attempt to argue back. In this case you simply make yourself look like a fool who doesn't even pay attention to what is said, you read half a post, think you know what is said, and rant off how your omnipotent and must be correct while everyone else is wrong every time they disagree with you.

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No my group has the perfect setup.

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Wow, perfect? No room at all for improvement? :confused: Last I checked perfect meant the absolute best, so you have afterglows? Because this would be best, obviously not "perfect"... everything can be improved, you simply refuse to think anyone could possibly do this better than you...



The sad thing is that while you do this and people argue with you in return, they probably do it just to laugh at your ignorance, a nice bit of humor for them to start the day watching someone try to say something obviously wrong, is correct.

People keep telling you, be smarter about how you talk to people, and you would get respect, but you don't listen to them, and till then people will do this with you every time, because you make them, and because you refuse to see the truth. When someone says something is wrong, prove them its right. Prove, means have proof, if you cannot do this, do not try to change their mind, they have no reason to change their position on the matter, you have given them no reason to.

And please, don't try to say...

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because this is FFXI, you don't have to prove it.

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because that just means I can say... I can solo ADL on RDM... and ya know what, its true, because this is FFXI, I don't have to prove it! But no, you do have to prove it, because its how the world works, if we just took everyones word for it then we would have chaos, so we want proof, what makes you right, and Yinnyth wrong? When you can answer this, WITH PROOF, you might be able to be correct, till then, you will be wrong because of your lack of evidence to support your words.



Yes, I know thats a wall, oh well, alot needs to be said about this pointless talk/argument...

My god a wall of text to say nothing. For your info he is wrong because you and him can't read. The only time you skillchain is when you WS obvisouly which is at start (30% off right away), then slightly above 50%, then under 20%. The problem is you and teambutthurt don't read what I say, and that you don't fight adl. It's not a zerg fight because you don't go all out, aka
you don't spam ws constantly at any point of the fight (unless you are on a gimp DD like drk I guess ?). Even is that was the case, embrava would not affect the ability to constantly skillchain, because you already do it w/o due to capped delay.... You two are good at trolling and bad at thinking. Come back when you have 99 marrows ¿

I wouldn't waste my time getting 99 marrows, rather fuel a few relics in my ls or something useful than to make an afterglow which I honestly see as pointless for the stupidly high cost, it seems more for show than for reason, but thats neither here nor there.

I was pointing out why his statement was correct, it would allow for more TP when SCing, if you don't do it the whole fight then so be it, my point still stands that he is correct in the fact it helps TP build. And the rest of what I said still stands as well, you say one thing is pointless in my entire wall and yet, you think the entire thing is pointless, which is pointless in and of itself.

Lets go to part 2, he is always wrong. Weird, he was right and proved it, so that part of my wall was wrong? Or for nothing? I'm trying to prove to you a point, you say your right, give proof, when you do it you can be right and people will not fight with you, when your ignorant to the fact people want proof before they will agree with you, then you subject yourself to wasting time on this form of pointless arguing. If your truly so great, then I would think you have better things to do then be foolish and argue with other members of the community as you do. Simply give people proof and move on, then you and everyone else get more done rather than run over the same subject over and over again as you do.

Your typical post seems to be this...

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Blah blah blah, I'm right, your wrong, because apparently even if you do fight ADL, you don't actually fight ADL, you make things up as if you fight ADL, but clearly do not because what I say is obviously right, and you disagree. Also I must be correct, blah has a set timer, blah will happen at a certain point in the fight, blah blah blah I'm still right, you don't have what I have done, so I must be correct!

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Sorry if this offends you, but seriously, look at the tags for this thread, people have no respect for you because this is how you act, and so they will never stop fighting with you, either let it go or be nicer. If your right, they have bad info, their loss. Be nicer, give proof, and act civil, then you might get somewhere with this, and people will listen. You seem to care people have accurate info, that or you just want to argue for no reason, if you want people to have this info then prove it before you state it as fact, for without proof it isn't shown as fact and people will dispute it if they see otherwise! If your doing it just to argue, then yes, your a troll, and go away because your a pest. I don't know, and honestly don't care, because in simple words, you annoy me, and you need to change to being worth having around. Because as it stands, you seem worthless to the community other than a passing joke.

Dont bother replying if your only going to respond to 1 part of a post btw, just makes you look even more like your ignoring most of it. Which makes it pointless to talk to you because you only will ignore the parts you dont like and reply to the parts you think you can argue with.

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last I checked embrava doesn't give 300 tp at once so you are wrong (as always)

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Neither does primeval brew, but it gives enough regain for one person to constantly self-SC.

WS from MNK1 >> wait 5 seconds >> WS from MNK2 >> light SC + wait 5 seconds >> WS from MNK3 >> wait 5 seconds >> WS from MNK4 >> light SC + wait 5 seconds >> WS from MNK1 >> repeat. This gives 20 seconds between one person's first and second WSs. With maxed haste and embrava, the average DD should get 100TP in just under 10 seconds. That is plenty of time to keep the SCs going.

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Dont bother replying if your only going to respond to 1 part of a post btw

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Unfortunately, I tend to do the same thing. If I tried to reply to every last detail in a post, I'd wind up creating a wall of text even larger than the original post and almost no one would read it. Personally, I read the whole post and try my best to understand what the poster was really trying to say before responding. Pchan, however...

Well, this is him responding to a post I made in which I actually linked a video of my test for anyone to scrutinize. He even quoted my entire post in the response, including the link to my video, and the breakdown of my test results:

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In summary, you are a troll claiming shit without testing ? got it. Good luck in your battle to prove pchan is wrong on something he never claimed nor cares at all (multiple targets or w/e you did). I claimed SS has a set duration and it does up to partial resist values. No maybe one day you'll do more than 10 attempts lol.

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Yes, that's right. He quoted my test results, then opened his post by saying I claim [explitive] without testing. And this is why I find him so entertaining. He actually accuses me of not reading and/or understanding what he is trying to say:

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For your info he is wrong because you and him can't read.

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Oh I know, I have been reading this for about 20 pages or so I think, thats why I try to help him understand whats wrong with what hes doing, but its like there is this magic bubble around him that shields out fact, and keeps his ideas as the truth. As for the responding.

I don't mean to say I want you to make a wall like I do btw, I know its 1 reason why I tend not to post on forums often, I rather just watch and see what people say for the sake of info. But like you said, he ignores the point of things, and then tries to call you out on something that most the time isn't even the case, and was a minor part of what you said anyways. My post wasn't to say his plan needs Embrava, I was saying for what you were talking about, you were correct, but he runs off somewhere saying were wrong, because he doesn't WS spam on ADL, which had nothing to do with the fact that Embrava, and furthermore, regain, help TP... My main point of my entire post even is the fact of how he acts which promotes these arguments, and yet, continues!

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I was pointing out why his statement was correct, it would allow for more TP when SCing, if you don't do it the whole fight then so be it, my point still stands that he is correct in the fact it helps TP build.

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No? crit% only work by tiers of 100/200/300.

I didn't contest that it makes build tp faster but that it makes you do more ws (estimation : 3 sec for the whole fight) at the cost of :

---- 2x minuets
---- one less stun to kill the second copy.

facepalm ?

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people have no respect for you because this is how you act, and so they will never stop fighting with you

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Thanks for explaining us you are a troll then ?

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I didn't contest that it makes build tp faster but that it makes you do more ws (estimation : 3 sec for the whole fight) at the cost of :

---- 2x minuets
---- one less stun to kill the second copy.

facepalm ?

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I'm going to assume you mean you lose EITHER 2x minuets OR stun to bring embrava along with your group, not that you lose both. Find one post. One post anywhere in these 40 pages of posts where someone tells you your group needs embrava, and that it's better than your daurdabla bard. You have on several ocassions called embrava worthless, which we contest. We're not saying YOU need embrava, and YOU should have one of your people change jobs. We're saying WE make very good use of embrava, and that it is in fact a large part of the reason we're even capable of winning.

Everytime you say something like:

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Someone's gonna pop out of the woodworks and be like "NUH UH!" My group doesn't have a good way to work a bard into our setup when we kill ADL, but that doesn't mean I should go onto forums and claim that march is 100% useless.

I'm a troll for explaining to you that the way you word things is why you are fought with? No... I'm doing just what I said, telling you why people fight with you, this would have stopped a good 5-10 pages ago if you were reasonable in listening to others. The entire argument about SS would have been a page or 2, not 10, talk of Embrava's regain being 100% useless would have ended fast because in fact, what could have been said is "Embrava is not more effective in how I choose to fight ADL. However in your strat I suppose it maybe more effective, but I do not know because I do not fight it the same way as you." Do you know what you do instead? Let me show you a few examples...

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In order to kill ADL you limit your damage, even as 6, that's why you don't WS spam therefore regain is useless and your SCH is just N+1. I do 3 WS per fight, and only 3, getting those TP earlier will not help me

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Doesn't help you, does not mean doesn't help anyone fighting ADL, what if I disagree? My strat uses Embrava and needs it or it at least helps out. :)

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Dude you'd need both COR and SCH to match BRD, suck less ; the less people the better. Regain is 100% useless on the fight.

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Well in my strat it isn't useless, not sure why you can't see that. :( (Next quote doesn't exactly match up the same way, but just focus on this little bold part...)

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No my group has the perfect setup. No group of 6 or 7 can kill the second clone reliably without a second stun, also rezeak clearly doesn't kill ADL if he thinks regain is useful.

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Not only do you think you have the perfect setup, but apparently anyone who thinks regain is useful, doesn't kill ADL. I think what you should have said is "Not in my group. My group of 6 or 7 can kill the second clone reliably with a second stun, also rezeak clearly doesn't use the same strat as I do to kill ADL if regain is useful to him." This, would have stopped alot of fighting, right there, in the change of 1 post I'm sure, because rather than saying your best, your perfect, and regain is useless in what is assumed to be all fights against ADL. You say your strat is rather good, but it doesn't need the use of regain because of how you fight it. Tada alot of fighting prevented by the "troll" making a change to your post... :confused:

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Originally Posted by Yinnyth

I'm going to assume you mean you lose EITHER 2x minuets OR stun to bring embrava along with your group, not that you lose both.

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You lose both thanks for proving you don't read.

SCH option : wasted character for the fight, uselesss 100%, doesn't bring minuet, doesn't bring the second stun, only offers a few ticks of TP aka allows to TP a a few seconds earlier, therefore doesn't make the kill safer, and more importantly doesn't allow multiple clone kills (with 6 at least, otherwise it's irrelevant)
BRD option : 2xminuet, the BRd can log on a SMN for a second stun as well as an additionnal pop (+1 pop at least per run, before counting COR resets).

The difference is clear. My option adds probably ~2 pops per run, and the possibility to kill the second clone most of the time. I told you I'm better than you.