WoEs

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2 is better over all, but I don't think it should be limited to once per day. It would be nice to choose who you can go in with though.

There is a huge problem when you organize a group to work together and a "solo" player comes in, doesn't participate in the strategy, which sometimes can risk the run. They come as a job combo that isn't designed to help the run itself but to abuse the point system so they can rank high and get their own chest and then lots everything that drops.


Walk of Echoes is supposed to be an easier alternative to Emp weapons, but as someone who completed both hand to hand weapons (WoE first and then Emp), the Emp actually took me less time to finish. (granted, the drop rates have improved since the time I did WoE, the main problem was all the unwanted players coming following us in and lotting drops because they didn't want to make a group of their own )

I like this more.

(1)Original open-access system

•Proceed with adjustments based on the current system.

This is better not having to build a whole group just go on a WoE that people are already doing and get stuff. WoE would probably die off if its just once a day and have to shout for hours to form a group.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

I like this more.

(1)Original open-access system

•Proceed with adjustments based on the current system.

This is better not having to build a whole group just go on a WoE that people are already doing and get stuff. WoE would probably die off if its just once a day and have to shout for hours to form a group.

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Basically, leeching off of people. It's very rare for random ppl to just make a group right there at the gate. Most of the groups are organized via ls or shouting anyways, then you have the ppl who camp them and follow in right after.

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Originally Posted by Cream_Soda

Basically, leeching off of people. It's very rare for random ppl to just make a group right there at the gate. Most of the groups are organized via ls or shouting anyways, then you have the ppl who camp them and follow in right after.

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Exactly less effort needed on my part. Finished a few WoE weapons solo.

See, SE, perfect example.

Leechers looking for the opportunity to just run in on someone else's group, take 0 part in the organization of the group, and obtain hard earned spoils they would have not otherwise obtained (While the group entering could have easily beaten it w/o the "leech").

Need to set it up like assault, so the soloers can still go in and solo if they wish and the groups can enter w/o worry of randoms benefiting off of their organization and strategies.

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Originally Posted by Cream_Soda

See, SE, perfect example.

Leechers looking for the opportunity to just run in on someone else's group, take 0 part in the organization of the group, and obtain hard earned spoils they would have not otherwise obtained (While the group entering could have easily beaten it w/o the "leech").

Need to set it up like assault, so the soloers can still go in and solo if they wish and the groups can enter w/o worry of randoms benefiting off of their organization and strategies.

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Wouldn't call it leeching, I would call it helping clear the zone on my PLD/WHM and taking first place every time.

2 please- the leeching of zones is probably the biggest deterrent to people doing walk of echos. Neither myself or any of my in game friends want to do an event where people can follow us and leech.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Wouldn't call it leeching, I would call it helping clear the zone on my PLD/WHM and taking first place every time.

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I already covered this earlier

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They come as a job combo that isn't designed to help the run itself but to abuse the point system so they can rank high and get their own chest and then lots everything that drops.

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I like how you prove my point further with each post. Even if you want to call it "help" it's certainly not mutual benefit.

They can beat the run w/o you, they gain nothing and for your "help". You gain [insert drops here], based on their organization and strategy.

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I think entering an "instanced" zone would be better for everyone involved. Allow it to be solo'd if people choose to solo.

Once per RL day is pretty bad; in a span of a week you could get a lot more done with an empy weapon in regards to time/reward. Ways of going about this:
1) Real instanced zone where x groups can enter y WoE zone at one time so no group is prevented from entering if they choose. This would allow once per GAME day entering at minimum; let people grind if they want to. This is the preferred choice, everyone will be happy imo.
2) One zone, x group lays claim to y zone, z group prevented from entering. If this is the case the cooldown to re-enter should be at least a couple game days to prevent monopolizing. This will just upset everyone, though, because people will still be pissed at soloers for wasting everyone else's time. This option is what is wrong with this game (time spawn nms you compete for, placeholder nms, being locked out of a particular zone because another group is in there); if I want to fight a certain monster or group of monsters, I should be allowed to. If this is the method chosen, I can gladly say I will not enter WoE for any reason, and most people would rather just work straight E weapons like they are now.

2 - but with the stipulation that it's not every rl day, thats fine in places like dyna, but in WoE unless you make the zones drop 100 coins per area or something, it's really not going to be feasible.