I forgot about that because it's not even worth mentioning. Since toau we've had the means to leech upwards of 50k+/hr with chigoes, and then astral burns became practical with level sync.
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03-09-2011, 05:23 PMrog
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03-09-2011, 05:26 PMDubberrucky
You miss the point Fiarlia you will have already wasted your time by the time you get a worthless person somewhere. You apparently are one of the time wasters I refer to but you are fun to frustrate in forums :)
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03-09-2011, 05:34 PMGreatguardian
Stop doing anything that requires random people. You won't have anything left to complain about that way. It's like it's so easy to just completely ignore the solution that's been presented by half a dozen people a couple dozen times now. Get friends. Don't join shouts, or shout for anything. Any half-competent DD can kill EXP mobs in Heroes zones for Dominion Ops at a rate equal or greater to your average EXP alliance, so there's absolutely no need for any "Good" player to put themselves through the kind of anguish you're lamenting over. MNK+WHM can literally duo any NM in the entirety of Abyssea if procs are a non-issue. Even then, you can have a full Red/Blue/Grellow proc set with as low as 6 people (MNK/WAR, WAR/NIN, NIN/WAR, BLU/NIN, BLM/BRD, WHM/whatever).
Make friends. Do things with people you know. Don't deal with randoms in the first place if you're worried about them wasting your time. -
03-09-2011, 05:45 PMDubberrucky
OK lets take the social aspect of the game and throw it out the window yeah that sounds like fun.
I may be in the minority in this respect but I join pickup groups because I actually enjoy the social nature of the game. But sure your suggestion is great all of us who don't like leeches should just join chat rooms for offline rpgs gottcha ;) oh wait who will you leech of of if you command us to leave? but then again you want to ignore the other half so preach on we have differing opinions and that's just what they are opinions. -
03-09-2011, 05:48 PMrog
or you could play with friends, instead of random people.
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03-09-2011, 05:52 PMDubberrucky
Hmm maybe that's it I have played for 6 years and never managed to make a single friend. Thanks I never realized that.
/end sarcasim
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03-09-2011, 06:12 PMArcalimo
Well,now a days is very hard to level a job w/o have friends that let you leech from level 30 to 75, since no one wants exp party and either want a unknown leech in their aby group, and more if is a new player that gets his first level 30 and doesnt ever have cruor for key whoring.
It's sad that you need other people to make you the favor and let you get your levels, and that's what happens today.
For us, old players, there is no problem, we have our friends and all our shit done.
But for new players its not fair, and if we want the game to last long time we need to think on new players too as the old players will eventually get tired and leave, and someone has to join the game for replace them.
i'm not against leeching since ive done and i will do it if it remains of course.
But honestly, something has to be made for the low levels, even if it means raise the cap of abyssea to 70 or 75, not returning back to the past of course, they have enhanced the exp already, raise the exp again if needed, make it equal to what we would be getting in abyssea, but make people work for it, if you go with a level 30, that level 30 should be doing something, leeching isnt play the game.
And im sure that exp outside abyssea were as easy to get as inside, old people wouldnt mind in exp outside, or keywhoring is more fun that actually playing the job? -
03-09-2011, 06:15 PMGreatguardianWhat's funny is the assertion that I need anyone to leech off of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dubberrucky
Regardless, you're talking yourself in circles. Either you enjoy going around with huge groups of random people, which will *Always* lead to the possibility of getting a dud player or two, or you don't want to waste your valuable time on bad players. Meeting new people is a risk. Sometimes people are dumb. Overwhelmingly, people are really dumb. Occasionally you find an intelligent person who shares similar playtimes and goals with you.
You cannot expect the entire playerbase to suddenly become smart. Adding level restrictions to Abyssea will not suddenly make dumb people less dumb. Before Abyssea, people still walked around without weapons skilled up. You had mages running around without even half of their spells. CORs ran around in level 1 bullets, /WHM, with the AF gun and only level 1-40's worth of rolls. BLUs would skip and frolic about with less than half their spells learned. I'm afraid you're going to have to get over it.
Focus less on arbitrary "improvements" to everyone else and more on improving yourself as a player. -
03-09-2011, 06:17 PMSeisI don't get it, you want to socialize, but you absolutely hate the results of socializing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dubberrucky
Socializing with 'tards is frustrating, okay fair enough... but you're saying you basically enjoy doing things with randoms you've never met, and yet expect that they'll mostly be sufficiently intelligent to not waste your time. I don't know what world you're living in, but neither the real one or any virtual one has such a population.
The old method sucked, what it meant was you spent all day looking for groups because there simply weren't enough players to do what you wanted, and that RDM that *would* have completed your group couldn't afford refresh or dispel and wanted to melee. At least now you can afford to boot whoever whenever because you know that there's a large enough pool of people to choose from.
Oh btw, this stuffs so easy you can literally leech off yourself and level a job in a day soloing dominion ops from a different account. So no tears will be shed if the people who want to level slow were to disappear. -
03-09-2011, 06:18 PMrogOr they could be a friend of a friend. That is a slightly higher rank than random person.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dubberrucky