Windurst region fix.

im going to point out two things raist
first off I started in 2004.
second " As stated earlier, in the past you would have still gathered up a group to help you.": this was infact not the case at all. making headlines was a solo quest @ lvl 10-15.

I will also like to point out, I have no way to LOOK at said guides. But yes you are being a scrooge in my eyes. As for mog trails, these mobs already had high level counter parts before gov.

Lastly, it does matter of leveling guide was writen by a person who already has 1 99. They have gear and support jobs to back stuff up. A fresh player may not have said gear and will have a rougher time in said area.I also took a look at the updates, these changes were vaguely mentioned. as in "x zones would have mobs level adjusted."

Ur advice is great, but i wasn't seeking it. Please realise that. I do not like advice being pushed on to me w/o asking. I find it rather rude. Forcing you aid onto others w/o asking can be seen as belittling. (text limit)

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I have tried a few of these places out both past and present. Which I believe I told you. The aggro/link can become very nasty very quickly in the east saurabaruta towers. Giddeus (where i've been) is again tough to lvl in some spots due to the high risk of a massive link. Not helping low level gear is hard to get since low levels quests are now a bit hard to do so gil is scetchy in early lvls. Raist before you make any further comment start a character from the ground up w/o help in windurst region. Then offer me advice. I'll gladly accept it then. And by no help meaning no free gear from mules or free gil from main. Start fresh w/o assistence of any kind. Also do it solo. no book burning in gusgen. Again i'll accept ur advice. but atm your being a bit scrooge like. You just simply dislike my suggestion w/o real reason other then YOU find it pointless. (not a good reason btw...)

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As for mog trails, these mobs already had high level counter parts before gov.

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Not all mobs are easy to get your hands on in the conditions mentioned. In fact alot of trials even now are a complete pain because they have mobs in areas that are extremely rare to get weather for. Examples being Antlion trials or a trial most BSTs do involving Bees and areas with very rare weather. The only problem with the higher level mobs is location, past that it really isn't a problem to anyone.

Slight note btw since I don't think it has been mentioned but the final limit break involves a stone you must get, it drops only from the GoV area high level mobs so far as I know, so they definitely serve at least some purpose.

Not giving you advice...I'm countering your claims about high level mobs preventing one from participating in content. As I've demonstrated, at the points where it would be a problem, it is not. At points where there is a new problem, there is an easy remedy to avoid said problem.

And level 99 or not really has no bearing on a mobs stats....either they are good candidates based on their stats or not.

Also, I think you have a misunderstanding of what a Scrooge is. I'm not being mean, and I'm not being excessively miserly. I'm pointing out facts....even spent the time and gil to travel to these areas to test your claims. As usual, if I suspect someone is spreading misinformation or being a bit over the top on the exaggeration anaology to prove an absurd point...I will challenge it, look some things up, and present the counterpoint. In this case, you were providing some misinformation that needed to be brought into light.

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I have tried a few of these places out both past and present. Which I believe I told you. The aggro/link can become very nasty very quickly in the east saurabaruta towers. Giddeus (where i've been) is again tough to lvl in some spots due to the high risk of a massive link. Not helping low level gear is hard to get since low levels quests are now a bit hard to do so gil is scetchy in early lvls. Raist before you make any further comment start a character from the ground up w/o help in windurst region. Then offer me advice. I'll gladly accept it then. And by no help meaning no free gear from mules or free gil from main. Start fresh w/o assistence of any kind. Also do it solo. no book burning in gusgen. Again i'll accept ur advice. but atm your being a bit scrooge like. You just simply dislike my suggestion w/o real reason other then YOU find it pointless. (not a good reason btw...)

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OK, now I'll give you some advice.....go somewhere else to level. There are lots of other places to go close by at your level, if you would just do some of the research. Those links above are virtual roadmaps for where you can level at in the new FFXI, if you'd just bother to take the time to review them.

It's not rocket science. In the past, it was not uncommon for people to find they couldn't handle Dunes very well and went back to thienne or highlands and leveled a little more.

@ raist

by being scrooge like is you are countering my post for nothing more then a selfish reason that is you simply find it pointless. You have no other reason other then this. That is being selfish in a sence. And how can i be providing mis info when i have actually been into said areas with in the past few days. If you dislike the suggestion just please step away. And my suggestion effect no one here. I'm just asking for a change in windurst since this area has always been scetchy to level in. It took me weeks playing 2 hrs a day to get a good rythme down for lvling in this area. But that time i spent is now worthless and i have to retry, which i;m not having a fun time with.

Also your info is pointless as you did this stuff with a high level which you fully admited to. my highest is lvl 18. Instead of taking ur high level and trying to prove me wrong (which again is also a selfish thing) prove me wrong under the same conditions i'm at. level thf to 18 solo w/o sub then level war to 17 with /thf.

ok raist i'm goin to say this nicely, this isn't an attack.

What you are doing is selfish and uncalled for. I am making a suggestion to SE to change back a few areas that did not to be made for high levels, which lessend the possible leveling spots for low levels in windurst. Which wasn't all that much from the get go. All i'm looking for is a change JUST windurst not all locations. All other ppl did was make comments in aggreement that some of these changes seemed silly.

What you see as "misinfo" is actually my personal experience. I have beenj all over west sarutabaruta/ east saurabaruta. and in most of the towers before and afte the gov change. Not all of the locations are good. Either mobs are too far apart, or mobs are too close together to the point where u got 3+ on you.

All you are doing is take ur highest level or main character which gear/merits/ various support jobs and trying this out. There is a huge difference between an established character and a fresh character.

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As for leveling guides.. i have tied them in the past w/o success. And i do mean before and after gov.. But currently i can't even access them. I told you this as well. You seem to be ignoring these obvious things simply by skimming my post.

honestly you are coming of pretty silly "i'm a high lvl i tried these with my character i;m right your wrong" << this is how ur posts seem.

I'm not trying to prove you wrong either, i'm not trying to prove anything. I;m just sharing my person experience and asking for a change if its possible to better said experience. What are you trying to gain by taking my personal experience and spitting on them with pointless chest puffing of ur well established character? Thats all i see coming from you. You do not need to prove me wrong if you dislike the suggestion. Just say what you dislike and end it there.

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@ raist

by being scrooge like is you are countering my post for nothing more then a selfish reason that is you simply find it pointless. You have no other reason other then this. That is being selfish in a sence. And how can i be providing mis info when i have actually been into said areas with in the past few days. If you dislike the suggestion just please step away. And my suggestion effect no one here. I'm just asking for a change in windurst since this area has always been scetchy to level in. It took me weeks playing 2 hrs a week to get a good rythme down for lvling in this area. Bit what time i spent is now worthless and i have to retry, which i;m not having a fun time with.

Also your info is pointless as you did this stuff with a high level which you fully admited to. my highest is lvl 18. Instead of taking ur high level and trying to prove me wrong (which again is also a selfish thing) prove me wrong under the same conditions i'm at. level thf to 18 solo w/o sub thenj level war to 17 with /thf.

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OMG.... did you not even read the posts? I JUST walked through the same areas last night and this afternoon!!! Whether I was 99 or not is moot...I looked up the mobs on the freaking wiki's to see what their spawn levels were, or did that not dawn on you when I typed in the posts? I dind't just /check to see if they were Too Weak or not--I actually looked them up. And, if you had bothered to look at the links I provided, you would have seen all that information as well. You provided erroneous statements, such as these:

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the north tower in west sarutabaruta is now 30+ spot

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the underbelly of the west sarutabaruta tower dungeons is now 80-99. Doing the "making headlines" is now hard and this used to be a low lvl quest. The door is now guarded by mobs that are meant for lvl 80-99 plaayer

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the three mage door area used in several quests and missions is not full of high lvl mobs. Getting rank missions done now has to be done via the "back way" from the rhinostery star beetle killing quest

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Good Grief....go back and read the edits where I scoped out these very areas.

You aren't the only one with a lot of game time on these forums...sure, I haven't been here since 2004, but I followed it's progress, read up on it a lot before I started--I had already laid out a plan of action to start in Bastok on MNK and work my way through the startup quests to get some items/gil and level other jobs to test out which one I wanted to take up first. I did all that 6 or 7 years ago....when I had no subjob as well, and even when I did first unlock them sometimes I didn't have a proper subjob as I was experimenting to see how they behaved under different situations.

A level 1-6 worm or level 3-8 gob or bat can pose the same risk pretty much no matter where they are in the game (at some levels, some mobs may gain an extra TP move not available elswhere, but in general, this holds true). If we could handle the stray goblin at 15 in the dunes as a party, or at 35 in yuhtunga Jungle.... we could handle the same level mobs at that same level in other zones. Smacking bees in the gustabergs will present you with the same problems you run into in the Saras--provided the levels are the same for both player and monster.

So no, whether I researched this as a level 99, level 51, or level 15 doesn't matter--I'm looking at the actual stats on the mobs. I wasn't comparing them in the game--I'm looking at what was programmed in the game, vs. what levels they can potentially be killed at based on my (and others') experiences. The only thing I CAN'T compare is your playstyle and your equipment/job selection--I have no way to know just what you feel confident in handling, nor what you may be capable of killing, all I can do is point you in the direction of your options to make a decision.

That is up to YOU to determine what is best for your situation based on YOUR choices of how you are going to play. If you can't handle it, need to try something different--either different gear/food, team up, different job, or different area and/or mob, etc.. I've provided links to some lists where you can compare what your options are so you can evaulate your choices and adapt to how the game is designed now. It is totally manageble...you just have to be wiilling to progress along with the game. If you want to be stuck in 2006 or earlier....I guess the game has moved on without you.

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As for leveling guides.. i have tied them in the past w/o success. And i do mean before and after gov.. But currently i can't even access them. I told you this as well. You seem to be ignoring these obvious things simply by skimming my post.

honestly you are coming of pretty silly "i'm a high lvl i tried these with my character i;m right your wrong" << this is how ur posts seem.

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is that "can't", or "won't"? you seem to be able to browse the web just fine.