[dev100x] Relic & Mythic Weapon Adjustments

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Originally Posted by Cream_Soda

maybe, maybe not, but at this point, it's all speculation.


The only reason it even takes that long is because of the time you have to wait between dynamis runs, that's not time spent doing work.

If you did an emp, and only put in the same number of hours as you did on a dynamis weapon, it'd take longer if you're excluding the gil.

For example, 2 nights a week dyna, 4 hr runs. Do 4 hrs and 2 nights a week upgrading an emp. The only diff is that you can do an emp whenever you want and for dyna you have to wait (which won't even be the case as of next update)

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I didn't mean "exclude" as in farm. I meant exclude as in "oh look, I have a few million gil in currency just sitting here, as well as the drops from the NM". Those are the ACTUAL RL waits you are required by SE to follow before you can fight the final Weapon NM. I was being exceptionally generous and giving you all the items you would need.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

I bet if empyrean upgrade items were sellable/tradable, none of the desperatly holding onto the past threads would exist.

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Many people including myself would have 5-10 Emps if the items were sellable.
Relics do take more then some mindless killing...I went 1/35 for my Yoichi test sitting on full currency for 10 months before giving up. (got test doing Apoc 90 trial 18 months later) I didn't finish a Mythic because I couldn't find a competent group to kill the 3 Toau kings, or a group that cared to. I had the alex (18k/30k barely trying), nyzul and einherjar parts done. My 90 emp was done 1/3 in LS, 1/3 with friends and 1/3 just standing near the ??? and helping randoms proc blue/red in exchange for hearts, it took a little over a week. Relics/Mythics deserve a boost because they were once and still are a major accomplishment. Emps are a dime a dozen. In my LS which has been around for years we have 1 Relic remaining and a dozen or so emps, most were done since Feb 1st. Yes the novelty of a Relic/Mythic is long gone, but the effort and accomplishment far exceeds what they are doing with Emps. And dont get me started on the 8k or so mobs I grinded through, most relics quit because of the gayness of those trials.

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We want relics to be better because they ARE better

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If they were better, then you wouldn't have all these "zomg why do relics do less damage than emps" threads would we?

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Originally Posted by Kiba

[dev100x] Relic & Mythic Weapon Adjustments
(Yes I really hope that this becomes a dev topic)

Problem: While adventurers are enjoying abyssea and treasures attained including the mighty empyrean weapons, balance between these new weapons and the previous top tier weapons introduced(relics & mythics) are being ignored. We understand the development team's support on making the game oriented for casual playing(less time grind, enjoy the game more) however this should not be a reason to ignore the balance and disregard the efforts put in by players whom attained relic and mythic weapons. Although the concept of relics will be the best is no longer justified due to times changed, relic/mythic weapon owners still believe that relics and mythic weapons should still be comparable to empyrean weapons considering the amount of time and effort spent.

Solution: Please adjust the Weapon Skill Damage Modifiers for the Relic & Mythic Weapon Skills to be on par with Empyrean Weapon Skills. Relic & Mythic Weapons do not necessarily need to be better than Empyrean Weapons but the damage output difference of thousands is not really acceptable. So please, Development Team, give attention on this area and apply adjustments.

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I Agree but we still have 9 more levels to go w/in updates, I'm sure SE will make it right.

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Originally Posted by Cream_Soda

If they were better, then you wouldn't have all these "zomg why do relics do less damage than emps" threads would we?

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Because you are a mindless number zombie, incapable of seeing beyond high damage.

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Originally Posted by InfamousDS

Because you are a mindless number zombie, incapable of seeing beyond high damage.

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You seem to be the same, because if that were not the case, you'd be fine w/ them currently "being better" and not need to see the highest damage on them.

but the fact you aren't seeing those high numbers on relics and crying about it means you're exactly what you're accusing me of.

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Originally Posted by Cream_Soda

Ares legs for ws. Then those got beat out by the later released hachiryu haidate.

Usu was definitely an upgrade for mnk.

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yeah i didn't get into ares, body is good for soloing drg/mage and ws piece for all jobs i think? that use it

I wanted hachiryu haidate so bad for rng ><

about mnk, full time 5/5 when it came out?

I was not calling salvage useless jsut people overrate all 5 and fulltiming all 5 and that those 5 did not replace everything before it.

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Originally Posted by Cream_Soda

You seem to be the same, because if that were not the case, you'd be fine w/ them currently "being better" and not need to see the highest damage on them.

but the fact you aren't seeing those high numbers on relics and crying about it means you're exactly what you're accusing me of.

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I have said at least once my only complaint is with them being better without requiring the same or more effort. I have also said that if everyone didn't live in Abyssea, I wouldn't even care about them being better at all, because that is where these weapons are so overpowered. Your chief argument against relic supporters is "get over yourself, get over it, and go make one". My chief argument is that, even if you were magically given all items for both, the Empyrean would 38x faster (38 days if you use a 30 day month, and a 7 day week, using the minimum absolute, and unchangeable 1 month, 1 week, and 1 day) because there isn't any restriction holding back their acquisition. I want relics to be better because the system is abused and drastically unfair. You want things to stay the same so you can keep bragging about 5k+ damage on your "got it yesterday without trying" weapon.

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Originally Posted by Rambus

about mnk, full time 5/5 when it came out?

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Full usu was better for all things concerning damage since day 1 and was until af3+2 came out. Even a hachiryu haramaki mix and match didn't beat full usu back at 75

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I want relics to be better because the system is abused and drastically unfair.

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Well, they're lifting restrictions on dynamis soon and you'll be able to spam it all you want. So that covers that complaint.

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"got it yesterday without trying" weapon.

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I tried very hard for my weapon. I've no clue what you're talking about.

I leveld whm on a second character and did the majority of it myself. Some people spend 12 hours in Tahrongi to finish their first stage ukon, vereth, etc, but I spent 6-12 hours a day for two and a half weeks straight to do mine.

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I have also said that if everyone didn't live in Abyssea, I wouldn't even care about them being better at all, because that is where these weapons are so overpowered.

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considering Abyssea is done and the next content to come out is going to be outside of abyssea, this will very soon be an invalid argument as well.

Just wondering if anyone read this:

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Originally Posted by Taint

Many people including myself would have 5-10 Emps if the items were sellable.
Relics do take more then some mindless killing...I went 1/35 for my Yoichi test sitting on full currency for 10 months before giving up. (got test doing Apoc 90 trial 18 months later) I didn't finish a Mythic because I couldn't find a competent group to kill the 3 Toau kings, or a group that cared to. I had the alex (18k/30k barely trying), nyzul and einherjar parts done. My 90 emp was done 1/3 in LS, 1/3 with friends and 1/3 just standing near the ??? and helping randoms proc blue/red in exchange for hearts, it took a little over a week. Relics/Mythics deserve a boost because they were once and still are a major accomplishment. Emps are a dime a dozen. In my LS which has been around for years we have 1 Relic remaining and a dozen or so emps, most were done since Feb 1st. Yes the novelty of a Relic/Mythic is long gone, but the effort and accomplishment far exceeds what they are doing with Emps. And dont get me started on the 8k or so mobs I grinded through, most relics quit because of the gayness of those trials.

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I am going to side with InfamousDS and that it does not work the other way around mr soda. Abyssea and its dang Atmas, with the amount of them there are and the little time they where made, you REALLY think there was thought and testing behind them? They are random stats like how I claim PW staff was made.

I would like some details on what emps outdo what relics outside abyssea.

When I say mythics need boosting its because stuff like BLM mythic, SCH mythic and so on underperform magin staffs no matter where they are, and HQ staffs prob outdo SCH mythic under potency atmas ( may get close to blm mythic, I dont know for sure I never ran the numbers) My statments is based on the math I know at level 75.

hey taint how do you make your money now a days anyway? its liek abyssea killed everything, or at lest feels that way.

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Well, they're lifting restrictions on dynamis soon and you'll be able to spam it all you want. So that covers that complaint.

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you atre assuming drop rates will be the same and that people will sell them for the same.