HOW can you let Paralyze CAN EAT A premieval Brew? 200000 cruor down the drain. TY

Are you kidding me, paralyzed, about to die, had a brew to save my life, but no. 200k cruor down the drain because para ate my brew. this is some bull. not even back in my temps, just gone. Complete gone, waste of 200k. that is really some bull. I understand that most items can be eaten by para. i accept this. but most items dont take 8 hours to farm. and can be made generally quickly. i mean really. BREWS shouldnt be affected by paralyze. IT COST TO DAMN MUCH. I would like to know what you SE are gonna do about it. cause this is beyond comical.

Join the club. My hubby did this after he got his 200k brews....I did this a few weeks ago myself.

Yep....

All the more reason to be careful about when you use a Brew, and selective about it. Chalk it up to experience.

And on that note, if it takes 8 hours to farm 200K cruor - you're doing it wrong.

honestly this has been how para works forever, its ok to be mad that it happen but i don't think this is worth reporting as a bug. Like you said you were losing and you last ditch effort was to brew and it backfired, i don't think we need to start asking the developers to make us unstoppable even more then we already are (in abyssea anyways).

Like the previous poster stated, this is not an in game bug, this is how paralyze has always worked, and how it should work. You made a mistake, it happens. Now you know better. Don't blame the game mechanics for working correctly.

I've always thought that Paralyze shouldn't consume items.
Personally I'll be avoiding my brews when I'm paralyzed, but it would be nice to have this changed, even if it's just for brews.

I've failed to find the update notice that said when they changed it, but paralyze used to be able to eat your 2 hour ability as well. It still eats other abilities and items, but the 2 hour was changed so that it wouldn't be lost due to para, only stopped and you could try again a few sec later. So, there is precedent for them changing the way paralyze works, it's possible they'll take pity on us and change it ^^;

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Originally Posted by Kari

I've always thought that Paralyze shouldn't consume items..

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Totally agree, it's absurd, the debuff supposedly stopped you using the item in the first place so fair enough you didn't get the effect, but it's unrealistic that the item disappears: if you couldn't use it nothing about being paralyzed would mean the item got consumed.

I know it's always been like this, it's ALWAYS been a stupid aspect of this debuff.

Why are you annoyed?! you're PARALYZED.. if your in abyssea you hsould be able to use catholicon then brew its not hard. the fact you had an idiot moment you think its a glitch?!

How exactly does paralyze eat items anyway?

Imagine holding a bottle of soda, then imagine not being able to move for 5 seconds. Then poof, the soda is no longer in your hand!

If you lost your ability to grip things, why don't you lose your weapons, which are like 50 times heavier than most usable items.

It's almost as annoying as getting a paralyzed 2hour. Being unable to use the ability for like a percentage of its recast timer would have been better :(

I've always considered Paralyze using up your consumable items to be a bug. Not sure if this thread should be the jumping off point to make that suggestion regarding all consumables or if a new thread should be made.

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Originally Posted by Rah

Are you kidding me, paralyzed, about to die, had a brew to save my life, but no. 200k cruor down the drain because para ate my brew. this is some bull. not even back in my temps, just gone. Complete gone, waste of 200k. that is really some bull. I understand that most items can be eaten by para. i accept this. but most items dont take 8 hours to farm. and can be made generally quickly. i mean really. BREWS shouldnt be affected by paralyze. IT COST TO DAMN MUCH. I would like to know what you SE are gonna do about it. cause this is beyond comical.

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You should have just died then?

That's how para works. You messed up. Don't blame SE for your shortcomings.

Though, this did bring me laughter, so I thank you for that.

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Originally Posted by Mirage

How exactly does paralyze eat items anyway?

Imagine holding a bottle of soda, then imagine not being able to move for 5 seconds. Then poof, the soda is no longer in your hand!

If you lost your ability to grip things, why don't you lose your weapons, which are like 50 times heavier than most usable items.

It's almost as annoying as getting a paralyzed 2hour. Being unable to use the ability for like a percentage of its recast timer would have been better :(

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As you pull the item out of your pocket, the paralysis strikes. This item hits the ground and is forever lost!

I've always been okay with the fact that paralyze consumes your items. Just takes a little effort put forth to realize that you're paralyzed and then restrict from using items. BUT I also have to admit that I have raged pretty badly when I'm paralyzed in the middle of the battle > run out of Shihei > Use toolbag and get the message, "lolplayer is paralyzed." :( /goodbye 99 Shihei. I can also understand this same rage with a brew.

Maybe being paralyzed should consume weapons too when you swing with them and you get para'd? "ApocolypsePlayer is paralyzed."? No? :( No fun. :(

Really? Should have just taken the death, xp is hard bro.

Hi guys, thanks for the posts. Since this is more gameplay/feedback related, I'm going to move the thread over to feedback. On a second note, I've had that happen to me and hulked out a few times too ; ; Sorry to hear about your brew.

Yea I agree with the 'Items shouldn't be consumed when you're paralyzed' argument. I'd prefer something like, a 5-10 second lock on being able to use an item rather than losing it. But I guess I can live with it, but certain things shouldn't be consumed like toolbags and brews.

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Originally Posted by Qeepel

Hi guys, thanks for the posts. Since this is more gameplay/feedback related, I'm going to move the thread over to feedback. On a second note, I've had that happen to me and hulked out a few times too ; ; Sorry to hear about your brew.

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Qeepel!

Sorry I have nothing to contribute to this thread, I just wanted to say you're hands down my favorite GM. Thanks for all the issues you've helped me with in the past!

I had this happen to me on Azdaja. Started using brew, and between that start and it going off... he hit me, en-para'd me and I lost the brew... Talk about nasty timing. -_-

Somehow i never experienced much nasty para's even with para on i was always able to remove it. But i must admit paralyze can be one of the most nasty status u can get. But i think only a handfull of nm's his paralyze sure is the worse u can get.

Sorry to hear u lost ur brew over it.

Guess someone is going for the teacher's pet award. Why take joy out of someone losing their brew? If other people's misfortunes bring you amusement, that speaks volumes of your character.

Also, stop defending the paralysis-causes-lost-items mechanic. It is not born from some idea that this should happen, but a by-product of poor programming designed to prevent item dupes.

Anyone remember Zelda from the NES, how Link switched sword hands depending on if he was going left or right? Nintendo explained this as Link was superstitious and wanted to keep his shield facing Death Mountain. Some of you undoubtedly believed them.

"Paralysis strikes you as you have the item out of your pocket"... give me a break. How come it never hits with the item still in your pocket or as you go down to reach it? And where is my pocket if I'm in a subligar?

Check out this thread:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...tten-the-shaft

It's all been said before there. Also, OP never said it was a bug, he was just fed up, which he should be. I've wasted brews myself, namely when nothing dropped that I wanted. That certainly sucks, but it's ok, because sometimes you just don't get lucky. This is different though, on an entirely different scale.

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It's annoying, it makes no sense and it isn't always avoidable, please stop saying things like "Don't use stuff when paralyzed", that's both wrong and oh so extremely unhelpful. I've lost lots of stuff on paralyze that activated midcast (I'm looking at you, Hex Eye), toolbags, food, temp items, etc. So what, don't use any items at all when fighting mobs with a paralyze move? Because if you do and get paralyzed you deserved it and you're stupid? And there's plenty of other situations, outside of fights even when you're paralyzed and no cure for it is available. So what, just stand around and look stupid for several minutes just to wait for it to wear? Not to mention there's para which can last for ages.

It simply impairs gameplay, and then people come and tell you "That's a debuff, it's supposed to be annoying!" which is also wrong, it's supposed to be challenging, those are two different things. I don't mind dying while I'm terrorized, or have the mob run after the black mages or supporters, I don't mind weakness, sleep, amnesia, I accept all of those, even though they're just as or even more challenging (yes, even Sleepga, no one can tell me that Sleepga didn't ruin at least one zerg attempt for them, cause people forgot (or didn't bother with) poisons). But that's ok, cause that's how the game is supposed to work, people mess up, and it doesn't impair the gameplay, even amnesia, which is almost unremoveable (bar Ecphoria Ring). Paralyze however does, not only does it impair your ability to play in and outside of a battle (which is acceptable) but also punishes you for trying (which no other status effect does), by something not gameplay-related either, just by costing you potentially a lot of money/cruor/time (think Regain Feather.. I hope that doesn't ever happen to someone).

Tired of ranting about this, some things you can argue about, others you don't. I didn't hear any arguments against "fixing" this yet, just statements like "it's your own fault" or "don't use it", which are absurd. The only actual argument was that the dev team has better things to work on right now, and I agree, I'm not saying it should be right now, but fixing things is part of their job, and this isn't excluded from it. All I'm saying is that it would be nice if someone addressed this, sooner or later.

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Originally Posted by Tenshibaby

And where is my pocket if I'm in a subligar?

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Amen.

HOW CAN YOU LET YOURSELF USE AN ITEM WHEN YOU'RE PARALYZED? /sorrycaps.

You'd think people would simply learn not to do it. Now, i'm not necessarily saying they shouldnt change this, but it's a known and established factor of the game that's easily avoidable if you're paying any attention at all.

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It's annoying, it makes no sense and it isn't always avoidable, please stop saying things like "Don't use stuff when paralyzed"

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it IS always avoidable. You have a WHM on the ball removing it from you, or you try using status removal items first at least.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

it IS always avoidable. You have a WHM on the ball removing it from you, or you try using status removal items first at least.

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You don't always have a WHM and what if other items don't help? Also, that is completely beside the point, just read the next line right after the one you quoted. I'm so tired of explaining this time and again.

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You don't always have a WHM and what if other items don't help?

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If you don't bring someone with status heals, then you're doing something wrong.

I don't know anything that can't be brewed down from full HP. If you're solo brewing, you shouldn't be paralyzed before the fight even started. If you have people for triggers, then you probably have someone who can cure statuses.

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Originally Posted by Cream_Soda

As you pull the item out of your pocket, the paralysis strikes. This item hits the ground and is forever lost!

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Dude.

5-second rule.

Just FYI, I certainly wouldn't complain if they changed it, I just disagree with the argument that "it's not always avoitable." It IS always avoidable.

Don't use the item when you're paralyzed and it won't get eaten.

It is 100% avoidable.

I think people are being intensionally dense now. Either that or they're trolling, which I suspect is the case with some of them..

We're not trolling. There's simply no excuse for losing items to paralyze because all you have to do is see "oh, I'm paralyzed," and not use your item. Especially with a brew, better to die and reraise if the situation is so dire, than to risk losing a brew.

If they change this, they'll make a lot of people happy, for sure. It's just not real critical or important because it's an easy to avoid obstacle.

Ok, I'll try to say this again, as slowly as I humanly can.. please try to follow, because I've said it ten times already and getting sick and tired of it.

I look at my status bar, I see no paralyze. So I feel somewhat safe and use a curry bun. Suddenly I see the mob using Hex Eye. I try to move but it's too late, I'm paralyzed and the item is gone. How was I able to prevent that? And you'd think that was a rare occurrence, but it's not, I've had this happen way too many times not to be annoyance. Fact is, sometimes it just can't be avoided, and it does happen.

So what's your advice? Never use items ever when fighting mobs who have a para move (and there's quite a few out there)? Because if I do I messed up and I was stupid to use it? How could I have possibly avoided that, even with a WHM army, 50 Remedies and my eyes staring at the status bar non-stop?

And no, I don't always have a WHM with me, cause I often solo stuff for quests, abyssites, skillups, trigger farming, etc. You call that doing it wrong? I'd say if you need a WHM for that, then you're doing something very wrong.

I've said this both in this thread and several times in the other. If you don't get it now, don't even bother responding, people who have a clue will know what I'm talking about anyway.

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Fact is, sometimes it just can't be avoided, and it does happen.

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it can be avoided.

If it's a mob w/ a para tp move, maybe use an item when it doesn't have TP?

Its your own fault if you used a brew while paralyzed so quit your complaining.

It can be avoided 100% of the time if you are actually paying attention. So quit being bad at FFXI, then posting on forums to complain about your own mistakes.

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Originally Posted by Cream_Soda

it can be avoided.

If it's a mob w/ a para tp move, maybe use an item when it doesn't have TP?

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Yep, if it's a food item, hell, even a brew, you should be able to wait until right after it's TP'd if it has a Para move.

Anyone soloing anything that involves paralyze knows to have a couple of stacks of remedies on them. At least this used to be the case.

Honestly with the amount of crour you can obtain in abyssea in 2 hours why even complain about 200k, i have lost many food, toolbags, temp items and abilities due to paralyze but it's all part of the game dynamics just gotta deal with it. It's not like you can't get another.

I agree with both points. But lean a little more towards the OP. It would be nice if items didn't get "ate" during paralyze. But on the same note it is part of the game. If SE decides to "change" (not fix - b/c it isn't an issue, its intentional) this I'm sure no one would complain.

And something to note: This is a suggestion from another player. Its a nice suggestion. No need to bash a player for his/her suggestions. If you don't agree with the suggestion thats cool. Say you don't like the idea, just don't go on bashing someone b/c they are not as good as you are. Just b/c you have more skill than another player is no reason to bash them. It actually just gives you more reason to pass on ADVICE, and up to that player to take that advice and use it or not. So please don't bash them over a suggestion.

Also, honestly. How many of you people bashing the OP would complain if SE changed the way paralyze effected items? So lets just get back on topic. Agree if you like the idea, disagree if you don't and just let SE decide whether or not to change it.

OP is mad Paralyze OM NOM NOM'd their brew.

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Originally Posted by Rah

I would like to know what you SE are gonna do about it. cause this is beyond comical.

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Short answer, absolutely nothing. As stated many times this is how para works and always has. Really what do you want a "save" system so you can "reload" when ya mess up? Instant free "always on" RR3 and full health, Mp , and Tp on reraise? I myself don't think its a terrible penalty in a way helps balance game changing items. You took a gamble and lost deal with it.

cry a river then go farm for an hour to get another brew what do you want the npc to just hand you a new one every hour so you dont have to work at all?