Atma and Merits help

[s_white62]

2 thing what Atma's to use for partying, solo, and NM and 2nd thing on where put merits point towards too please help me out

[Kagato]

VV/RR/GH for parties. I replace GH with Apocalypse for NMs and events. I don't really solo in abyssea so can't help you there.

For merits, distribute between Scythe and Great Sword skill, giving most to your preference or keep it even, whatever floats your boat. Max out Desperate Blows and Last Resort Recast. The rest is really your choice, but I have at least 3 in Muted Soul.

From there, just build those STR, HP/MP and Critical Hit to your tatse, if not maxed out, then stick the rest where you feel comfortable. Really, though, the absolute choice to make is Desperate Blows 5/5 and LR Recast 5/5. Just be wary of what you raise/lower in categories other than DRK since they affect all jobs, which is why raising stats, HP/MP and Crits should be your decision. Since I am a DRK main, I capped STR and Crit rate and Put a majority of my points into HP with only a couple in MP.

This is just a general run-down. Any specific questions you have?

[Zyla420]

i personally went with this as far as drk specific merits go:

5/5 LR recast
5/5 LR effect
5/5 dark seal
5/5 desperate blows

for the rest it's really based on what other jobs you play, choosing merits based on what will mesh well with the other jobs

edit: forgot about atma, depends on what you're doin i suppose. for NMs i like RR/VV/apoc or substitute apoc with sundering slash for ws spamming. though sometimes i like putting minikin on for refresh and to pretend i'm a blm XD. i don't solo on drk much so i can't give insight into that cept apoc is ur fwend.

[Taint2]

5/5 LR recast
5/5 SE recast
5/5 desperate blows
5/5 diabolic eye

Even with a 90apoc and capped gear my Acc is lacking on T3-T4 VW mobs, which makes diabolic eye super useful. Also with the SE update you should be spamming it.

[Rezeak]

I went with 5/5 Muted soul since the -50 enmity (halfs all hate) is pretty useful when a tank is trying to keep hate and ur pumping out a ton of DMG.

i also did
5/5 SE + LR recast
5/5 DB

Like most DRKs

For group 2 the pros and cons are this.

Muted soul
Pros: Alot less hate meaning if ya DD is held back by hate it helps tons
Cons: You don't always use souleater and really it needs to be 3+ to see any effect

Dark seal
Pros: can use 1 DRK spell unresisted every so often it's pretty effective with just one merit in it
Cons: With capped/merited/geared Dark magic skill it isn't really need at all + alot of spell arn't worth meriting it up to 5/5

Diabolic eye
Pro: More acc and is still semi effective at 1/5
Cons: Less hp which effect survivabilty quite a bit.

Desperate blow ... 5/5 this

The normal setups
5/5 Diabolic eye
Basically for those you want the acc bonus every 3/5 mins

5/5 Muted soul
Basically for those who like keep souleater up and not hate locking a mob on them while they do it.

1/5 Dark seal
1/5 Diabolic eye
3/5 Muted soul
Basically i little bit of everything the 1/5 Dark seal and 1/5 diabolic eye allows you to have access to thos abiltys for the odd fight u may DS Drain II for a SE zerg or NM where the 3 mins of boosted acc will help as well as the muted soul allowing a decent amount of hate loss of SE. (this is a good starter build to see if u like muted soul/Dark seal/Diabolic eye)

5/5 Dark seal
for DRKs that need the extra macc or spam drain II (i dunno really)

[Taint2]

5/5 muted soul is just silly nowadays. Back when DRKs were zerging kirin, tiamat etc it had some use but now the hate caps are reached fast enough that- 50 emn isn't doing much.

[Rezeak]

And i think 5/5 Diabolic eye is silly since DRK has plenty of acc and the HP loss is too much.

Honestly calling someone out because of there choice between Dark seal, Muted soul and D.Eye is retarded as they are all flawed in some way and it's like saying ur car sucks because blue is faster.

In Voidwalker in my linkshell we don't really need DRKs (maybe for a T3/4 we havn't done is different) we generally use mainly ranged DDs like SMN BLM RNG which means i usally play SMN COR SCH or WHM so if that is the only place it's useful it's 100% useless for me i still would rater the +15% hp tho

Not to say muted soul is any better or the OMG this is what DRK needs like you said u cap hate really easily but i still find times when it is useful.

[Taint2]

And i think 5/5 Diabolic eye is silly since DRK has plenty of acc and the HP loss is too much.

Honestly calling someone out because of there choice between Dark seal, Muted soul and D.Eye is retarded as they are all flawed in some way and it's like saying ur car sucks because blue is faster

You aren't capping ACC on every mob. Which makes diabolic eye infinitely better then muted soul. Again muted soul is doing little to nothing for you. It had situational use at 75 when DRK was topping zerg parses, now its useless.

If Im not capped on ACC on a mob no other DRK is. My gear is perfect and I have a 90poc. Id entertain an arguement for Dark seal but you have 15 merits in the wrong spot, fix it.

[Rezeak]

You aren't capping ACC on every mob. Which makes diabolic eye infinitely better then muted soul. Again muted soul is doing little to nothing for you. It had situational use at 75 when DRK was topping zerg parses, now its useless.

If Im not capped on ACC on a mob no other DRK is. My gear is perfect and I have a 90poc. Id entertain an arguement for Dark seal but you have 15 merits in the wrong spot, fix it.

Sorry u have an apoc an i need to merit my DRK for a mob i never fight on DRK

Either way i'd never use a -15% hp abilty since it increases the chances i would die.

Edit: My reasoning is that muted soul has no side effect except if ya using SE as a hate tool and therefore at the least it could save me even 1% of the time for no cost imo

With Diabolic eye on mobs where i need a the acc the -15% hp(-250-300 hp) increases the chances i would die quite a bit because alot of those mobs have highly dmging move either way point is i never would use it where as muted i use it all the time and even if it's not 100% useful it's just there.

O and on the last note if i REALLY REALLY REALLY needed acc i'll just dual box a BRD thx

Either we're arguein about something that has no effect on DRK what so ever i mean u can argue that u can kill T3/4 voidwalker like 2-3% quicker but honestly speed isn't the big thing there unless it's a T3/4 i havn't done that need to be killed quickly and even then i wouldn't use it cause it would gimp my SE DMG lol.

[Taint2]

Sorry u have an apoc an i need to merit my DRK for a mob i never fight on DRK

Either way i'd never use a -15% hp abilty since it increases the chances i would die.

Edit: My reasoning is that muted soul has no side effect except if ya using SE as a hate tool and therefore at the least it could save me even 1% of the time for no cost imo

With Diabolic eye on mobs where i need a the acc the -15% hp(-250-300 hp) increases the chances i would die quite a bit because alot of those mobs have highly dmging move either way point is i never would use it where as muted i use it all the time and even if it's not 100% useful it's just there.

O and on the last note if i REALLY REALLY REALLY needed acc i'll just dual box a BRD thx

Either we're arguein about something that has no effect on DRK what so ever i mean u can argue that u can kill T3/4 voidwalker like 2-3% quicker but honestly speed isn't the big thing there unless it's a T3/4 i havn't done that need to be killed quickly and even then i wouldn't use it cause it would gimp my SE DMG lol.

You are talking yourself into circles of no sense. An ability to save you 1% of the time vs an ability that can be used quite often. 200 hp isn't going to kill you, if the mob can 1shot you you'll have some sort of mitigation and for the rest of the time its aiding your damage. Whether its a VWNM, a dynamis NM or you are using an odd weapon to help with a proc.

You can sing mad with your BRD ill stick to marches. Just like you can stick to a useless trait and Ill stick to a useful ability.

[Dart]

outside berk+1 i have all the drk gear that taint does. My acc is not capped on some of the voidwatch nms and mobs deeper in dyna xarc/glacier, and a few (very few) nms that had ridiculous eva before abyssea. Close to cap but not capped on those.

I just don't see how -50 enmity beats out capping or nearly capping acc on everything we fight nowadays.

[Kagato]

"My personal preference is better than yours!"

[Dart]

quiet you, or we'll force you into that rdm melee thread full of retarded goodliness. (yes i'm that mean)

[Rezeak]

I'll try and make the point as clearly as i can.

Firstly i'm not trying to say Muted soul is the best choice or even better than diabolic eye.

What i'm trying to say is that I never use Deye and therefore would rather have -50 Enmity even if i don't use it much if at all.

I have alot of reasons why i feel Diabolic eye 5/5 isn't useful for me and i'll try to go over them as simply as i can.

1. Is the HP loss. This will always be my main reason since most stuff were acc matters can deal alot of DMG and reguardless of One shot after an AoE DRK is not No.1 on a WHMs list so being able to last a little longer makes HP more important than a few % of DMG for me and my linkshell. (I feel this point is mute/reduced by any DRK with a Weapon that can allow the DRK to heal themselfs)

2. 3 of 5 mins of acc if it was 5 of 5 mins of acc here would be times were I'd change food choices when i'd fight mobs in the 80-85% region of hit rate the problem is that if i am <85% where Deye is most effective i will always use food to capp my acc even if it means using Sushi.
The other way of putting this is the only range i find Deye to be effective is on mobs where my hit rate it 85-90 which for me is so rare it's not worth thinking about.

3. Thirdly and the point you missed. All the situation u mentioned i'm not even on DRK so your basically arguing to me that Muted souls is useless so merit Deye so u can look at on your merit list as SMN or SCH when ur fighting T3-4 VWNM. Maybe if i do start going as DRK i'll change my merits atm useless v useless so i'm choosing useless.

[Jar]

OMG people at the start said retarded atmas.

Alpha and omega , RR , Apoc
VV, RR, Apoc
Plaugebringer( or scorpion queen <3 dart), RR, apoc

NOTHING ELSE COMES CLOSE. EVER (unless need to avoid death than einherjar atma thingy.)

[Taint2]

I'll try and make the point as clearly as i can.

Firstly i'm not trying to say Muted soul is the best choice or even better than diabolic eye.

What i'm trying to say is that I never use Deye and therefore would rather have -50 Enmity even if i don't use it much if at all.

I have alot of reasons why i feel Diabolic eye 5/5 isn't useful for me and i'll try to go over them as simply as i can.

1. Is the HP loss. This will always be my main reason since most stuff were acc matters can deal alot of DMG and reguardless of One shot after an AoE DRK is not No.1 on a WHMs list so being able to last a little longer makes HP more important than a few % of DMG for me and my linkshell. (I feel this point is mute/reduced by any DRK with a Weapon that can allow the DRK to heal themselfs)

2. 3 of 5 mins of acc if it was 5 of 5 mins of acc here would be times were I'd change food choices when i'd fight mobs in the 80-85% region of hit rate the problem is that if i am <85% where Deye is most effective i will always use food to capp my acc even if it means using Sushi.
The other way of putting this is the only range i find Deye to be effective is on mobs where my hit rate it 85-90 which for me is so rare it's not worth thinking about.

3. Thirdly and the point you missed. All the situation u mentioned i'm not even on DRK so your basically arguing to me that Muted souls is useless so merit Deye so u can look at on your merit list as SMN or SCH when ur fighting T3-4 VWNM. Maybe if i do start going as DRK i'll change my merits atm useless v useless so i'm choosing useless.

If you popped Diabolic eye or dark seal one time in Jueno and one other player saw the animation and smiled it would be more useful then muted soul.

[Taint2]

I'll try and make the point as clearly as i can.

Firstly i'm not trying to say Muted soul is the best choice or even better than diabolic eye.

What i'm trying to say is that I never use Deye and therefore would rather have -50 Enmity even if i don't use it much if at all.

I have alot of reasons why i feel Diabolic eye 5/5 isn't useful for me and i'll try to go over them as simply as i can.

1. Is the HP loss. This will always be my main reason since most stuff were acc matters can deal alot of DMG and reguardless of One shot after an AoE DRK is not No.1 on a WHMs list so being able to last a little longer makes HP more important than a few % of DMG for me and my linkshell. (I feel this point is mute/reduced by any DRK with a Weapon that can allow the DRK to heal themselfs)

2. 3 of 5 mins of acc if it was 5 of 5 mins of acc here would be times were I'd change food choices when i'd fight mobs in the 80-85% region of hit rate the problem is that if i am <85% where Deye is most effective i will always use food to capp my acc even if it means using Sushi.
The other way of putting this is the only range i find Deye to be effective is on mobs where my hit rate it 85-90 which for me is so rare it's not worth thinking about.

3. Thirdly and the point you missed. All the situation u mentioned i'm not even on DRK so your basically arguing to me that Muted souls is useless so merit Deye so u can look at on your merit list as SMN or SCH when ur fighting T3-4 VWNM. Maybe if i do start going as DRK i'll change my merits atm useless v useless so i'm choosing useless.

If you popped Diabolic eye or dark seal one time in Jueno and one other player saw the animation and smiled it would be more useful then muted soul.

[Rezeak]

It would be cool if SE removed the HP down thing from Deye ^^

[Taint]

It would be cool if SE removed the HP down thing from Deye ^^

Amen to that

[Urteil]

If you have muted soul merited, get out.


If you have diabolic eye merited, I'm sure the day will come when you proudly delete those merits and dump then into Dark Seal, because you aren't wearing full perle anymore.

[Urteil]

Amen to that

Diabolic eye should give a straight % of accuracy and a % flat increase to damage dealt across all mediums, melee and magical:

"The Dark Knight's killing intent allows them to percieve their enemies weaknesses, and the most effective and brutal ways to exploit them."

Diabolic Eye I + 3% physical and magical accuracy and damage dealt to target.
Diabolic Eye II +6%
Diabolic Eye III +9%
Diabolic Eye IV +12%
Diabolic Eye V +15%

This HP down stuff is bullshit.