One minor change that would make FoV, GoV, and Dom Ops AWESOME

[Mikhalia]

Please add in the feature that, when a player completes a Field of Valor, Grounds of Valor, or Dominion Ops page, instead of having to return to the tome/manual/NPC, the player is given the following dialog:

"You have completed this page. Would you like to repeat the same page? Yes/No"

The only problem with these three systems is that they limit camp possibilities; players tend to stick to killing whatever is closest to the book/NPC because no one wants to walk 10 mins to camp, kill 5-6 mobs, walk 10 mins back to the book/NPC, then get anotehr page and walk 10 mins back to camp and repeat. This is especially bad in areas like Crawler's Nest or Garlaige Citadel where everyone just crowds the entrance and 80% of the pages are unutilized. The same goes for Abyssea; so many Dom Ops pages are virtually never done because they're simply way too far from an NPC compared to others.

Please add in the ability to allow players to automatically repeat a page when it is completed. This would open up so many more camp site options and give people way more targets to kill because it would allow them to go deeper into an area, away from the crowd, and repeat their pages there.

Thank you for your time.

[Coldbrand]

You know people are just going to make retarded posts responding to this that confuse convenience with difficulty and complain about how you want things to be "too easy" right? Since this whole forum seems to exist for people to show off how tough they are on the internet.

[Eeek]

You know people are just going to make retarded posts responding to this that confuse convenience with difficulty and complain about how you want things to be "too easy" right? Since this whole forum seems to exist for people to show off how tough they are on the internet.

Woah. Calm down there tiger.

I like OP's idea. I don't know if it's technically feasible, but I'd certainly welcome such an adjustment.

[Mikhalia]

You know people are just going to make retarded posts responding to this that confuse convenience with difficulty and complain about how you want things to be "too easy" right? Since this whole forum seems to exist for people to show off how tough they are on the internet.

Probably. Here's my thing though: walking back to a book/NPC is not difficulty. If people really wanted DIFFICULTY while leveling, then why not remove FoV and GoV and Dom ops ENTIRELY?

At any rate, my main argument is less in favor of "Remove the time sync from running back to books so people can xp faster", it's actually "Make more camps viable, since no one wants to use camps that are too far from books to be feasible."

Consider the following: In the ToAU days of xping, the camps that were taken first were the ones right next to staging points. The farther you got from a staging point, the less a camp was used.

Consider FFXIV: People always focus their leveling around Aetherite because that's where the quests are. People tend to stay as close as they can to the aetherite.

Even before ToAU in FFXI, people would always try to minimize travel time. If it took 30 mins to get to camp X and 45 mins to get to camp Y, you'd see 1-2 parties at camp Y and 4-5 parties at camp X fighting over mobs. Back to ToAU, people would sooner stick with places like MJSP and Mire and would rather fight over mobs with parties that are already there than go slightly farther out for a camp.

You see it in Abyssea -Altep sometimes; everyone will cram into the doll camp and you may sometimes get 3-4 alliances there fighting over dolls because no one wants to fight farther from the ops NPC and have to walk ALL THE WAY BACK every time.

You also see it in Bostaunieux; hardly anyone does page 4 for 4100 because Page 2 can be done twice for 2680 in less time than walking all the way to page 4, doing 9 kills, and walking back.

So my argument is less one of "Make xping easier" as it is "Make it so that more than two pages per book are actually WORTH doing in a party; make more camps viable by removing the 'focal point' (the tome/book/NPC) that players are forced to tether themselves to.".

[Aldersyde]

You also see it in Bostaunieux; hardly anyone does page 4 for 4100 because Page 2 can be done twice for 2680 in less time than walking all the way to page 4, doing 9 kills, and walking back.

Actually, page four really isn't all that bad. On Siren, there's always 1-2 people killing the leeches and sometimes 3 or 4. The run back to the book isn't all that long (there's one by the first open room with the haunts and garms, where new IT mobs begin) and after you get your page from the tome, you can drop through one of the trapdoors close by. The leeches are clumped together and there's quite a few of them so killing 9 doesn't take that long.

I didn't post just to correct you. I love the idea. Or just more tomes. That would eliminate the travel as well.

[Mikhalia]

Yeah, more tomes would definitely reduce the travel time, but I think you'd still end up being "tied down" to wherever a tome was closeby. If you can renew a page without needing to run to a tome, it allows you to pick a set of mobs, find a camp, and kill away without having to leave your camp, just like the old days.

Picture what Caedarva Mire would look like if you have to kill 2 imps, 3 flies, and run back to the staging point after every set of five. :P

EDIT: I've noticed most of the people who do page 4 now are when the alliance at the entrance is full or they just want to solo/duo at 73+ where page 2 isn't feasible anymore. I've done a lot of Page 4 myself and it's fun, I just don't care for the long walk back after each page.

[Olor]

Signed. This would help reduce congestion and competition over the mob camps closest to books.

[Luvbunny]

I completely agree with the OP, we should never need to go back to the book other than to select different training, reapply buffs, and to teleport back home. Why not have a magian trial style FoV book where once you select your training, you can have the temporary book to re-select it again and again. The same should happen with dominion as well. And for the love of god, please make this happen so that people actually would want to level other than the doll camp in altepa and buffalo in u.range....

[Korpg]

This is a great idea.

I hope SE implements it.

[Abelia]

I think that is an awesome idea.

[Monkeynutz]

Perhaps better (and maybe more feasible) would be to have an option when you initially sign up for the op/ page to automatically sign up again after completion until you go back to the NPC and tell him/ her that you're done or would like to do a different op/ page. This way they don't have to implement some sort of menu option out in the field triggered by the completion of the op/ page which might be tricky, or at least have the potential to interfere with what players are doing, and for players it has the same effect (and with even less tedium).

[Kuporeid]

...have an option when you initially sign up for the op/ page to automatically sign up again after completion until you go back to the NPC and tell him/ her that you're done or would like to do a different op/ page.

This is a fantastic idea!

However, even if pages could be renewed on the fly like this or in the way the OP suggested, adding a few more Ground Tomes (and Field Manuals) would still make sense. Since many camps are nowhere near a Tome, running long distances to renew enhancements would remain a break in pace. Despite any changes to how pages are chosen, this would keep many groups anchored to camps nearest existing Tomes.

There don't need to be Tomes at every potential camp, but certainly some additional Tomes spread further inside dungeons, in addition to auto-renewing pages, would encourage significant change in players' willingness to take on currently seldom used pages.

[Alkalinehoe]

Probably. Here's my thing though: walking back to a book/NPC is not difficulty. If people really wanted DIFFICULTY while leveling, then why not remove FoV and GoV and Dom ops ENTIRELY?

That's still not difficulty, just more time consuming.

[StingRay104]

I agree with OP's idea about making camps more open, in their second post they have their info confused. I've played this game since jan 2005 and I can tell you from personal experience we would take 1hr to 1hr and a half travel time to get to the good camps in some zones, even after TOAU was introduced this was the case, it wasn't a matter of convenience as for where we were it was how fast can we pull and kill. Speed killing is what all xp has been since I've played and ppl I knew who played longer than me agree that it has always been about speed. Now OP is right that since FoV was introduced and its subsequent rip offs, its all been about being near the book and its for increased speed of xp. Abyssea has made xp stupid fast to achieve, I've clocked ridiculous amounts of xp just while doing LS events, in xp pts its obscene the amount of xp I get, and only once did I do a Dom Op xp pt, capped xp as soon as I choose page I swear. Anyways OP has the right idea we either need it to keep us doing same regimen until we tell it different or we need longer regimens with ? Perhaps a travel book like we have for magians? Something, anything to help us branch out a bit so that we can get some variety in our xp.

[Zyla420]

make an item you buy for 1k tabs that is a "portable" book, that only works for the zone you buy it in. would allow all functions of the original tomb excluding elite regimes and would take a an inventory slot (has to have some kinda downside or SE wouldn't do it lol)

as a side note about FoV and GoV, i feel the r/ex "special" items that load from the chests should be able to be bought for 100-200k tabs. if you've been farming in a zone for days trying to get that specific item with no luck you should at least be able to buy it for an outrageous amount of tabs. nobody should feel like "i can't leave this zone until i get this item cause box hunter will reset". (and yes not everyone has millions of tabs)

[SHJcules]

love the idea! I do a lot of FoV myself, and running back to treehouse homebase is my biggest complaint. I generally limit my exploring to places like VoS because of it. I don't really enjoy fighting for ten minutes just to then run around for twenty more.

another cool addition I'd welcome, would be new field support, called "keen eye" or something. For a pretty hefty price, you slap on this ability, and your map is highlighted in areas where the target enemies spawn. Nothing crazy detailes like widescan, just enough to help guide new players, or vet players who are trying to explore new territories and pages.

making things user friendly does not equal making them easier

[Alaik]

Tag this to the devs then, it is an amazing idea, takes little work and I DARE someone to bad mouth SE if they implemented it. There's really no negative side.

[Teakwood]

Fantastic idea.

Adding even more tomes would also be awesome, if this is unfeasible - I can imagine adding a 'would you like to repeat the page' dialogue in-field might be rather difficult, but an option to automatically repeat pages until the option is turned off would possibly be easier? I feel like they balanced XP rewards under the assumption that people would spend their time running back to the book, but... there are a lot of times I just say 'meh, screw it' and keep killing stuff without pages when doing FoV because of how long the walk would be.

[Saefinn]

I can see the problem being - you're about to hit the macro for casting Sleepga and "would you like another page?" pops up and somebody dies. Particular as in some parties, particular GoV and Dom Ops, people link mobs on purpose.

Just an improvement on the suggestion, have at the manual/tome/NPC "would you like to repeat your regime once it has been completed?" Which can be turned off with the 'Cancel' option.

I think this would be an apt solution to GoV on pages where the distance between the tome and mob makes using the tome almost pointless.

As for making the game easier, there's a different between difficulties based on design flaws and difficulties made by design. People can get insane EXP with ease, fixing a design flaw really does make much of a difference.

[Seriha]

Also, "Event Skipped."

A prompt in the field, while sensible in request, isn't quite what I'd call practical in implementation. A portable field manual seems like the most elegant solution, while recurrent sign-ups could be the next step, if not a bit more difficult to consider given Dominion Ops require talking to the NPC to claim your rewards. Far as those go, I still say every mob camp should have an NPC close by.

[Legomike]

yes please

[Luvbunny]

http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/11/the-mog-log-grounded/

We are not alone... Ground of Valor STINKS!!! Why can't they just make us kill 5 goblins, or 5 bats, and give us more of the ground tomes. It's so typical way of how SE do things in this game, great ideas = horrible implementations or poorly designed placement or objectives.

[Cammi]

This is an idea I wouldn't mind seeing implemented.



I can see the problem being - you're about to hit the macro for casting Sleepga and "would you like another page?" pops up and somebody dies. Particular as in some parties, particular GoV and Dom Ops, people link mobs on purpose.

Just an improvement on the suggestion, have at the manual/tome/NPC "would you like to repeat your regime once it has been completed?" Which can be turned off with the 'Cancel' option.

I think this would be an apt solution to GoV on pages where the distance between the tome and mob makes using the tome almost pointless.

As for making the game easier, there's a different between difficulties based on design flaws and difficulties made by design. People can get insane EXP with ease, fixing a design flaw really does make much of a difference.

Or have something like a portable book similar to the magian trial log. When a regime is completed the party leader will receive a prompt asking to "summon" the book to the leaders <pos>, etc. It's just something I thought of when I read the OP, but I definitely vote yes for easier book access.

[Dauntless]

Amazing idea.

I'm not sure that the portable GoV books will work unless we're only talking about pages here, as people would probably use it to snk/inv everywhere. I don't have a problem with it, but I'm sure SE would.

I completely support the "Would you like to repeat this regime?" prompt. Would clear up camps and make exping much more convenient.

[Mikhalia]

OP again, I was reading some of the replies; I also like the portable tome idea, as well as the option to automatically repeat a given page without prompting (so you don't have any event skipped that causes the prompt to die out)

[Rezeak]

Agree with alot of this.

A way to store the buffs you've gotten for that zone only would be great too.(GoV only)

[Anathiel]

I love this idea!

[Dauntless]

Devs need to see this.

[Raxiaz]

I like this.

[DrStrangelove]

Please add in the ability to allow players to automatically repeat a page when it is completed. This would open up so many more camp site options and give people way more targets to kill because it would allow them to go deeper into an area, away from the crowd, and repeat their pages there.

Thank you for your time.

This is a terrific idea!

Not only that, but the way some areas are currently set up in FOV, D Ops (e.g., raptors in Abys ule, or rabbits in cape terrigan) people already are standing right at the NPC when they are done.

It makes no sense to have to run for 5 mins to get to the NPC in KRT for example.

If the purpose is to get players to be able to solo level, then the game should enable people to do that. Mobs don't need to be easier or give more XP. We don't need more XP rings. We don't need bigger page bonuses. Just let us save the wasted time from running around.

It's still going to be LESS XP than leeching in abyssea or getting smn burned or good synced parties. People who are willing to stand around and do GoV for hours for less XP rather than leech / get burned should be rewarded with moderate convenience.

Hear, hear!

[Xellith]

Please add in the feature that, when a player completes a Field of Valor, Grounds of Valor, or Dominion Ops page, instead of having to return to the tome/manual/NPC, the player is given the following dialog:

"You have completed this page. Would you like to repeat the same page? Yes/No"

The only problem with these three systems is that they limit camp possibilities; players tend to stick to killing whatever is closest to the book/NPC because no one wants to walk 10 mins to camp, kill 5-6 mobs, walk 10 mins back to the book/NPC, then get anotehr page and walk 10 mins back to camp and repeat. This is especially bad in areas like Crawler's Nest or Garlaige Citadel where everyone just crowds the entrance and 80% of the pages are unutilized. The same goes for Abyssea; so many Dom Ops pages are virtually never done because they're simply way too far from an NPC compared to others.

Please add in the ability to allow players to automatically repeat a page when it is completed. This would open up so many more camp site options and give people way more targets to kill because it would allow them to go deeper into an area, away from the crowd, and repeat their pages there.

Thank you for your time.

http://farmwars.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Approved.png

[Didgist]

Didn't read the entire thread, so sorry if this was mentioned.

This would work great with a portable book you can summon much like a trial log. Automatically receiving the dialog would lock your character and that would be awkward in my opinion.

[Raxiaz]

I support Didgist's suggestion. Being able to have a summonable book for GoV/FoV would be great. DomOps, not so sure how that would work.

[Eeek]

Didn't read the entire thread, so sorry if this was mentioned.

This would work great with a portable book you can summon much like a trial log. Automatically receiving the dialog would lock your character and that would be awkward in my opinion.

Once again, I don't know if this would be technically feasible, but yeah, I could see something like this working. Just summon a portable manual that only gives the player the option to repeat the most recently completed regime. It'd definitely be nice.

[Karumac]

And one more thing: Take En-Mute away from the Eight of Cups. It makes Page 5 in Outer Horutoto unnecessarily more difficult.

[Luvbunny]

It does not seems that the developer plans to do anything about this thread, or fixing GoV... Another one of those great ideas, poorly executed, and will die out soon - add it to the list of BCNM, ZNM, Pankration, Voidwatch, Campaign, Brenner and Chocobo Racing. Awesome SE, way to add more shit and crap to the game but then not even doing much to make it the absolute best. I hate to see that Abyssea become the defacto BEST of addition to the game, which so far, abyssea is the best thing that ever happened to the game, it completely destroyed everything else that come before it.

[SNK]

You know people are just going to make retarded posts responding to this that confuse convenience with difficulty and complain about how you want things to be "too easy" right? Since this whole forum seems to exist for people to show off how tough they are on the internet.

Actually this is an idea I kinda support Mr. Negative Nancy.

[Olden]

Well yea sounds like it may be too easy. Lets make it more interesting. How about make it so you can take the Op multiple time but have to furfill all of them before getting the adjusted reward. So, i want to do a Op in adysea, but im doing it while building time for a ls event. I feel I could 20 Op's while getting time, so i tell the NPC i want to do the Op 20 times before getting the rewards. Then i camplete the Op 20 times and automaticaly get my reward x20 or it could be adjusted for more of a difficulty, like increase the amount of mobs for increase the amount of cruor/exp.

[Selzak]

A small, simple dialog at the bottom-right of the screen that says "Repeat Page?" with a Yes/No scroll down would be nice.

[Bayohne]

Brought this up with the head honchos on the dev. team in charge of this. System wise there are a lot of elements that would have to be considered in order to display a window and manually select to repeat a page, so keep in mind that this would be difficult to implement right away.

For Fields/Grounds of Valor it's most likely possible to have a method where you could automatically repeat a selected page. How does this sound? Please understand that this is something we're considering and not a guarantee at this time.

Dominion OPs on the other hand are a completely different system and we wouldn’t be able to do the exact same thing. Unlike the above, implementing this would be pretty difficult.

[JackDaniels]

Thanks!! For FoV and GoV, this would be a very welcomed addition!!

[Olor]

For Fields/Grounds of Valor it's most likely possible to have a method where you could automatically repeat a selected page. How does this sound? Please understand that this is something we're considering and not a guarantee at this time.


That sounds fantastic.

[Mikhalia]

Brought this up with the head honchos on the dev. team in charge of this. System wise there are a lot of elements that would have to be considered in order to display a window and manually select to repeat a page, so keep in mind that this would be difficult to implement right away.

For Fields/Grounds of Valor it's most likely possible to have a method where you could automatically repeat a selected page. How does this sound? Please understand that this is something we're considering and not a guarantee at this time.

Dominion OPs on the other hand are a completely different system and we wouldn’t be able to do the exact same thing. Unlike the above, implementing this would be pretty difficult.

I think that'd be great, honestly. Someone else suggested the option to have it Automatically repeat the page until you cancel it or start a new page, and I think that is even better than having a window pop up.

I appreciate your consideration and talking to the devs on this matter, I really think this would be a huge improvement and I think many seem to agree with me here :)

[Tezz]

Brought this up with the head honchos on the dev. team in charge of this. System wise there are a lot of elements that would have to be considered in order to display a window and manually select to repeat a page, so keep in mind that this would be difficult to implement right away.

For Fields/Grounds of Valor it's most likely possible to have a method where you could automatically repeat a selected page. How does this sound? Please understand that this is something we're considering and not a guarantee at this time.

Dominion OPs on the other hand are a completely different system and we wouldn’t be able to do the exact same thing. Unlike the above, implementing this would be pretty difficult.

Noted, and i second this recommendation. I don't feel it's overpowering at all either. It would open FoV/GoV up to more useful possibilities.
If for whatever reason the development team decides not to do this, could you pass it along for them to add more Books across the zone. Also, when monster redistribution takes place next adjustment, to design it with the books in mind & add more monsters per zone if needed to accommodate this.

[Jem]

I had a similar idea awhile back but posted it in a section that didn't get much attention:

[DEV1011] Valor Specs

Love Grounds and Fields of Valor but running back and forth to the Training Manual got you down? Even cleaver placed additional tomes just never seem close enough for you? Are you the adventuresome type who likes to take the road less traveled?

Introducing Valor Spectacles! Much like the Magian Spectacles before them these miraculous monocles allow the user to summon a personal fully functional Grounds Tome or Field Manual anywhere in the appropriate zone. Allowing anyone to do training regimes to their hearts contentaru!

Amazing!

[Coldbrand]

Sounds a heck of a lot better than the current system.

[Hannah]

(Yes, please.)

[GlobalVariable]

I if don't have to run back to the book and don't have to carry around another item for it to work, it sounds spectacularly awesome. If I have to carry around an item, its still good. If I have to run back to the book and click "repeat last trial" then it sucks. ;)


I'm curious about the technical aspects with regard to dominion. Isn't the book for FoV/GoV just another NPC?

[kingfury]

Would be much cooler! ‹Yes please!›

[Insaniac]

This change would turn FoV and GoV into a much more viable way to exp.... OUTSIDE OF ABYSSEA!!! Don't even think about changing dominion ops though. People afk enough already. Auto re-upping ops would just make it that much easier to find a corner to hide in while other people do all the work.

[GlobalVariable]

This change would turn FoV and GoV into a much more viable way to exp.... OUTSIDE OF ABYSSEA!!! Don't even think about changing dominion ops though. People afk enough already. Auto re-upping ops would just make it that much easier to find a corner to hide in while other people do all the work.My understanding is we're talking about having to confirm it anyway though, so even if they could do something similar for dominion you'd have to be present to say yes.

Really for dominion ops though I think what they should do is triple the required kills triple the rewards and update the seal rate to account for the new reduced frequency of re-signing up for pages. And possibly add additional NPC's for some of the same ops for those rarely used ops.

Example: Instead of 5k for 5 mobs make it 15k for 15 mobs.
Disclaimer: Exact figures not used numbers made up.

I couldn't get a party change pages even though camp was super over crowded and the other page would yield just as much exp per page specifically because "its to far to walk between pages". It wasn't really that far but people want to camp pretty much right next to the npc and won't be convinced not to with pages being so short. Some pages do give less exp as well but the main reason you always see the same few camps used is the walk after just 5 mobs.

[Kari]

I don't see how you could repeat pages on FoV/GoV, but not Dominion. It's extremely similar, copy/paste code, edit it a bit, done. The best kind of DEV work, in my experience.

Either way, I don't care what you do, but just allow us to do AT LEAST Dominion without running back and forth for Ops.
There are plenty of good XP spots in Heroes zones, however none of them are close enough to an NPC to be worthwhile.
An example being, I'd love to do Gears in Uleg, but you'd have to run back and forth through the Spheroids [that aggro] to be able to repeat Ops. Making the trip not only annoying, but not worthwhile for the EXP.

In the same way, we could actually have multiple alliances at say, Buffalos, because we could utilize both sides of the Buffalos, rather than camping the side next to the NPC.

I find that most of the FoV/GoV ops are way too annoying to keep up with, so I'm not too interested in fixing them, but if you can, lovely.
FoV/GoV needs to have enough pages to have one that's good for each level range, without it being overly annoying mobs.
Would like to see GoV in areas such as Ghelsba/Grotto/Giddeus/Palborough/etc. The only real viable page option would be "Kill X amount of Y family monsters." [Or you can take the annoying route you did with Cardians, actually requiring specific ones. >_>]

[Anathiel]

Repeating a grounds or fields page automatically would be awesome!

[Daniel_Hatcher]

My understanding is we're talking about having to confirm it anyway though, so even if they could do something similar for dominion you'd have to be present to say yes.

Really for dominion ops though I think what they should do is triple the required kills triple the rewards and update the seal rate to account for the new reduced frequency of re-signing up for pages. And possibly add additional NPC's for some of the same ops for those rarely used ops.

Example: Instead of 5k for 5 mobs make it 15k for 15 mobs.
Disclaimer: Exact figures not used numbers made up.

I couldn't get a party change pages even though camp was super over crowded and the other page would yield just as much exp per page specifically because "its to far to walk between pages". It wasn't really that far but people want to camp pretty much right next to the npc and won't be convinced not to with pages being so short. Some pages do give less exp as well but the main reason you always see the same few camps used is the walk after just 5 mobs.

Only annoyance they'd probably have is the fact you need to return to the Dominion Sergeant to get the EXP and such, so they'd need to change that to automatic.

Personally I'd be fine with then just doing it to GoV, it's a pain constantly travelling halfway across the map to get another page, if the window to accept was a pain to code, a item to pop a tome or even a text command would be fine.

[Zarabi]

Auto-repeat option would be great thank you. :)

[GlobalVariable]

Only annoyance they'd probably have is the fact you need to return to the Dominion Sergeant to get the EXP and such, so they'd need to change that to automatic.If they claim they can't though, they could reduce the problem in a manner similar to what I said though. All I meant. We don't know that some kind of auto reflag is totally impossible yet but they're saying they can't do it the same way exactly so I'm doubting it happens.

I really wish FoV/Gov/OPs were never tied to any book/npc to start with, and were simply an unlocked menu option. Menu is wherever you are. No trips.

[Teakwood]

Having an option to auto-repeat FoV and GoV pages would be a million times better than christmas. In terms of playability and usability I literally can't think of a single change that would make as much impact on me personally and my playstyle.

As for Dom Ops, would it be feasible to add more Dom Ops NPCs to each relevant zone?

[Vold]

Instead of going through the trouble of implementing any of these ideas, why not just up the number of monsters to fight for a bigger reward...

Instead of 5 Dom Op kills, make it 50(or give us a second option from the norm to kill 50, or just let us kill however many we want and the system checks that and awards accordingly) Instead of 7 GoV kills, make it 20. 30. 70. Something better than a handful of kills. No need for a window. No need for auto repeat. Unless those for some weird reason would be easier to implement than adding an additional kill count per page/Op. An option for short term and long term.

[CrystalWeapon]

Instead of going through the trouble of implementing any of these ideas, why not just up the number of monsters to fight for a bigger reward...

Instead of 5 Dom Op kills, make it 50(or give us a second option from the norm to kill 50, or just let us kill however many we want and the system checks that and awards accordingly) Instead of 7 GoV kills, make it 20. 30. 70. Something better than a handful of kills. No need for a window. No need for auto repeat. Unless those for some weird reason would be easier to implement than adding an additional kill count per page/Op. An option for short term and long term.

I rather see an auto repeat. If you set the number higher you'll just have people whining that it takes too long to complete a page. They would also still complain about running back to the book no matter how many target kills you add in.

[JackDaniels]

You know people are just going to make retarded posts responding to this that confuse convenience with difficulty and complain about how you want things to be "too easy" right? Since this whole forum seems to exist for people to show off how tough they are on the internet.

I think just leaving it to FoV/GoV would be the best choice for this reason. Abyssea is already too easy, if the devs had to prioritize, it should be FoV/GoV > Dom Ops

[Zhronne]

How does this sound? Please understand that this is something we're considering and not a guarantee at this time.

It sounds ABSOLUTELY AWESOME :)

[Orenwald]

for dominion ops you could just put an NPC next to each conflux that let's you turn in your dom-ops page and then immediately redo it :D (Altepa Mandragoras I'm looking at yooooooooooooooou)

[Catmato]

Posting in support of auto-repeating pages.

I have a suggestion for Dominion Ops as well. There's a wonderful Bugard camp in Grauberg that no one uses for one reason: the NM Deelgeed wanders around and is aggressive. While he isn't terribly difficult, he's more trouble than the average exp party can handle. Even if they'd manage to kill him, he'd be back in 10 minutes anyway. That one NM ruins a camp that could be as popular as bluffalo or sand sweepers. My suggestion: make him non aggressive or force spawn.

[GlobalVariable]

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I have a suggestion for Dominion Ops as well. There's a wonderful Bugard camp in Grauberg that no one uses for one reason: the NM Deelgeed wanders around and is aggressive. While he isn't terribly difficult, he's more trouble than the average exp party can handle. Even if they'd manage to kill him, he'd be back in 10 minutes anyway. That one NM ruins a camp that could be as popular as bluffalo or sand sweepers. My suggestion: make him non aggressive or force spawn.

Huh? I use and see that camp shouted all the time. He's never been terribly hard to avoid and if we wanted to the alliance could burn him down in seconds.

[Catmato]

Huh? I use and see that camp shouted all the time. He's never been terribly hard to avoid and if we wanted to the alliance could burn him down in seconds.

Not all servers are the same. I've soloed there multiple times and have never seen anyone else killing them, nor have I ever seen a shout for it. The NM will sometimes sit right in the pulling path and not wander off for quite some time, making him a terrible inconvenience. I'm not sure what kind of exp alliances you've been in, but many are full of people with crappy gear, low skills, and crappy/no atmas. Good enough for decent experience, not good for an en-petrify, instant death NM.

[Xerius]

So, the Devs can chime in anytime they want on this subject... >_> But while we wait here's what they're going to say, "I mentioned this to the development team and they said that this isn't currently in the works but he'd 'look into it.'" /sigh U_________________________________________________U good idea though.

Oh wait lol they already said that. I hadn't even made it that far into the thread yet. XD

[Runespider]

They should put a cut-scene for new characters when they zone out of starter cities, to explain the FoV or at least let people more aware it exists too. Friend restarted recently and was trying to level the old way, without realising FoV even existed.

[Luvbunny]

It would have been easier to just group the mobs closely and not spread them out all over the zone. And add more FoV and GoV manual everywhere near to the cluster of mobs. Problems solved. We can manually repeat the page but at least no more running around all over the zones.

[Zhronne]

For Fields/Grounds of Valor it's most likely possible to have a method where you could automatically repeat a selected page. How does this sound? Please understand that this is something we're considering and not a guarantee at this time.

A lot of time has passed since you made this post Bayohne. I saw Camate posted today a new incoming upgrade for GoV and FoV, but no trace of this thing.
Did the developer team really found it impossible to develop such a change?
Believe me, it would change like from NIGHT to DAY, it would be a huge change not just in term of xp per hour (don't really care about that) but in terms of ENJOYABILITY of the whole FoV/GoV system.

[Panthera]

For Fields/Grounds of Valor it's most likely possible to have a method where you could automatically repeat a selected page. How does this sound? Please understand that this is something we're considering and not a guarantee at this time.

"Make it so."


Dominion OPs on the other hand are a completely different system and we wouldn’t be able to do the exact same thing. Unlike the above, implementing this would be pretty difficult.

OK, could you try this instead:...

Make new regimes that are much, much, much longer. Have the new regimes based on old regimes, just with many more mobs. Use new NPCs for the new regimes if necessary. Make the rewards bigger. Make the probability of getting seals higher, if not guaranteed. Make us be able to pick which seals we're working on!

This way, there are at least fewer, less frequent chats with NPCs. These days, an alliance can annihilate the mobs for a page in seconds. Running back and forth just to talk to an NPC gets really monotonous. I'm here to fight, not chat!!! When I say more mobs per regime, I mean like 100 mobs each, maybe even 1000!

One thing people liked about MMM is that the exp from the chest is huge. People like seeing all that exp all at once. People will like it here, too.

[Nianny]

I'd like this :) Sometimes it's somewhat annoying to try and target the book/npc when you finish a page at the same time as half your alliance.

[Zhronne]

For Fields/Grounds of Valor it's most likely possible to have a method where you could automatically repeat a selected page. How does this sound? Please understand that this is something we're considering and not a guarantee at this time.
Sorry to bother Bayohne, but any news concerning this?
Are the development team guys still working on this? Did they test it and decide it wasn't technically possible?
I'd really love to hear updates concering this, it seemed like such a wonderful upgrade! Yet so much time has passed and we didn't hear anything new about it.

[Terasan]

This would be absolutely amazing to see for both FoV and GoV. I'm not too horribly concerned with DomOps coz they've said it'd be a bit difficult (Prolly coz of the seal chance), but more Dominion Sergeants(?) placed better in each zone would be great.

I said this when you brought it up a long time ago in a GoV burn in Bostaunieux, Mikha, but this is an amazing idea, and I would absolutely love to see it or something like it implemented :D

[Mikhalia]

Shameless bump to say how stoked I am that this idea is actually getting added.

:D

[Zhronne]

They actually implemented this idea already on the Test Server. If you can login you can see it for yourself :)
When you accept a new Trial you get asked if you want to make it repeatable Yes/No and if you choose "Yes" then it will happen exactely what we've been asking for with these bumps.

[Manux]

More info here GM taken down Like button
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/32527-Abyssea-Dominion-Retake

[Umichi]

umm why was this thread necroed...

[Manux]

http://support.eu.square-enix.com/rule.php?id=455&la=2&tag=forum

I don't think I broke any rule are you using some other website thread to base this necroed... what ever it is