Why is Summoner the most ignored, misunderstood and broken job?

[Karbuncle]

Abyssea is a playground pure and simple, it's kind of like Vegas. In the way that anything goes if all participants are ok with it and for the most part what happens in Abyssea stays in Abyssea i.e certain jobs meleeing.

I'd say they wanted it to be an option for whatever reason, we'll never know. As you say on most things it's trash, it'll always come back to the point if you're gonna have someone hitting the mob make it something thats specialized /good at hitting things.

For the record Moonlight is rubbish I died a little inside first time I used it.

Yah, Moonlight was disgustingly terrible, but it was designed for an age of FFXI where it was probably almost useful..

To the bolded, Its funny to me because I use this argument all the time on THF forums :D!

[Razushu]

Yah, Moonlight was disgustingly terrible, but it was designed for an age of FFXI where it was probably almost useful..

To the bolded, Its funny to me because I use this argument all the time on THF forums :D!

Those poor THFs. At least melee is something mages can do on the side and not part of their main focus. Although they get TH which is usually enough to get them invited if the party leader doesn't rate THF.

I almost called a GM because I was sure moonlight was bugged, until I checked the wiki.

[Korpg]

Competent melee only, thanks. That means knowing and acknowledging that the SMN gets access to gear where the pet does not. Of course a 2h weapon base speed is slower than a 1h avatar.

So, basically anything in this game where having a WAR instead of a SMN would get the job done. Got it.

[Dallas]

When forced to do math regarding SMN, you switch back to WAR. Bandwagoner all the way.

[Korpg]

Talk to me when you solo something, ok?

[Dallas]

What has that 4-man WAR team soloed? Oh snap! That's right, you need me to teach you more SMN.

[Razushu]

What has that 4-man WAR team soloed? Oh snap! That's right, you need me to teach you more SMN.

Dallas contrary to your belief a WAR doesn't need 4 man support to be a DD. Those numbers were with BOTH SMN and WAR recieving the same buffs, which is something you keep trying to ignore. If a SMN can solo something melee, I'm pretty sure a WAR could do it too.

[Laraul]

Malamasala, IMO you don't know how to play SMN. Just reading your original post makes this REALLY clear to me. Moon phase, day, these really don't matter.

What you can do with SMN, and do quite well I might add, is do the JOB with NO GEAR what so ever. It's an inexpensive job to play. Don't have to purchase any spells. Or avatars. You just level up. That's it.

Now make this thread GO AWAY.

[Malamasala]

Malamasala, IMO you don't know how to play SMN. Just reading your original post makes this REALLY clear to me. Moon phase, day, these really don't matter.

What you can do with SMN, and do quite well I might add, is do the JOB with NO GEAR what so ever. It's an inexpensive job to play. Don't have to purchase any spells. Or avatars. You just level up. That's it.

Now make this thread GO AWAY.

It would honestly be far away, if Dallas, Korpg and Raz weren't discussing melee SMN.

But I'd recommend you to look into the job, since you sound like a person who'd get very far in vanadiel as a naked SMN.

[Korpg]

What has that 4-man WAR team soloed? Oh snap! That's right, you need me to teach you more SMN.

How come you won't answer my question? Is it because you really don't have SMN leveled, and by extension, that staff you swear by?

Besides, to get to that 1/4th of a WAR type numbers, you need the same 4 man team as a WAR would. Oh snap!

[Neonii]

Malamasala, IMO you don't know how to play SMN. Just reading your original post makes this REALLY clear to me. Moon phase, day, these really don't matter.

What you can do with SMN, and do quite well I might add, is do the JOB with NO GEAR what so ever. It's an inexpensive job to play. Don't have to purchase any spells. Or avatars. You just level up. That's it.

Now make this thread GO AWAY.

so why don't you make us a nice guide right here on the smn forum where folks who feel they can play smn well share with the rest of us? I see statements saying folks can't play smn a lot on these forums a lot. However, I would like to see you guys share the wealth. Let the rest of us know "how to play smn" from your point of view.

[Arciel]

How come you won't answer my question? Is it because you really don't have SMN leveled, and by extension, that staff you swear by?

Besides, to get to that 1/4th of a WAR type numbers, you need the same 4 man team as a WAR would. Oh snap!

he doesn't answer any question he can't answer, pretty much.
which is why most of anything i ever say in retort to his points don't ever see any following up by him, instead sidestepping into some good ol fashion ad hominem and red herrings about how I don't have something that you do - none of which actually changes the point of the arguments.

I'd advise for you to stop feeding the troll, or at least, serve it something it doesn't like. Everyone can see who is right and wrong.

[Korpg]

I only respond to Dallas just so he can say something that contradicts himself, which he does quite often.

[Laraul]

It would honestly be far away, if Dallas, Korpg and Raz weren't discussing melee SMN.

But I'd recommend you to look into the job, since you sound like a person who'd get very far in vanadiel as a naked SMN.

I remember going to Ifrit's Cauldron @ level 50 or so. You'd send carby after a Volcanic Gas mob in an attempt to get it to self-destruct. Wasn't easy but SMN was at the time the only job that could do this.

Here's a video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SZxlxVpwpM) of me in early '07 helping some Japanese players with the Ouryu fight. Long time ago. A lot has changed. A lot hasn't.

Any videos of you showing your stuff? Hmm?

[Dallas]

Dallas contrary to your belief a WAR doesn't need 4 man support to be a DD. Those numbers were with BOTH SMN and WAR recieving the same buffs, which is something you keep trying to ignore. If a SMN can solo something melee, I'm pretty sure a WAR could do it too.

WAR/DNC might be able to, but the GG-fail-math saying WAR are "super pimp gods" depends on /SAM. WAR/SAM isn't soloing anything. Go beg GG to adjust his solo numbers, because you aren't going to manage it.

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[Korpg]

WAR/DNC might be able to, but the GG-fail-math saying WAR are "super pimp gods" depends on /SAM. WAR/SAM isn't soloing anything. Go beg GG to adjust his solo numbers, because you aren't going to manage it.


You aren't soloing anything either. Go back to playing with your blocks like a good kid.

[Malamasala]

I remember going to Ifrit's Cauldron @ level 50 or so. You'd send carby after a Volcanic Gas mob in an attempt to get it to self-destruct. Wasn't easy but SMN was at the time the only job that could do this.

Here's a video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SZxlxVpwpM) of me in early '07 helping some Japanese players with the Ouryu fight. Long time ago. A lot has changed. A lot hasn't.

Any videos of you showing your stuff? Hmm?

No I don't make videos. I hardly even take screenshots.

Watching the replay though, I'm unimpressed at you using Ice on a Earth elemental dragon. By using Garuda you would have taken less damage from his attacks and had your avatar tank longer, possibly also dealt more damage.

When I did that battle, I had people on jobs they had only leveled, never played, as tank and healer, so they went down so fast that I pretty much did this fight with 4 people. My Garuda tanked most of it. Not a "SMN is best" moment though, since the BLMs there with me sure pulled their weight.