[dev1018] Which Seals?

[Sevokevo]

You said that you have to trade 3 seals/crests to be able to gain 1 of our own choice.... That description is very vague....

Do you means AF Seals, Beastmen/Kindred seals, or Both??????:confused::confused:



Sorry for Double Post of same Topic... I don't think my Dev Tag showed yo... :\ Sorry.



Now that I previewed it... i see the dev Tag does not show in Title... I am so sorry, this was my first time posting with a tag on here....

[Korpg]

You said that you have to trade 3 seals/crests to be able to gain 1 of our own choice.... That description is very vague....

Do you means AF Seals, Beastmen/Kindred seals, or Both??????:confused::confused:



Sorry for Double Post of same Topic... I don't think my Dev Tag showed yo... :\ Sorry.



Now that I previewed it... i see the dev Tag does not show in Title... I am so sorry, this was my first time posting with a tag on here....

A) Tags go down at the bottom, not in the title.

B) One would assume they were talking about Beastmen Seals, Kindred Seals, Kindred's Crests, and High Kindred Crests because all 4 of them have the same qualities (ability to be stored in the same NPC, 3/4 of them now can be used for special battlefields that are mainly for gil acquisition, with the 4th most likely going to be included in gil acquisition in the near future, etc.)

[Emitremmus]

I was wondering the exact same thing. I got all excited, then I noticed the word "crests".
Then I got uncomfortable.

I mean, the new BCNMs don't really have many worthwhile rewards, so I didn't think there was an issue with not having enough seals, ESPECIALLY now that we can trade them across mules. This is the only thing that makes me hopeful that we're dealing with EMP+1 items and that they consider the +2 items to be "crests". Although cards, stones, jewels, and coins don't commonly hold the properties of a crest.

*crosses fingers*

[Sevokevo]

A) Tags go down at the bottom, not in the title.

B) One would assume they were talking about Beastmen Seals, Kindred Seals, Kindred's Crests, and High Kindred Crests because all 4 of them have the same qualities (ability to be stored in the same NPC, 3/4 of them now can be used for special battlefields that are mainly for gil acquisition, with the 4th most likely going to be included in gil acquisition in the near future, etc.)


That is true... but could it be that the NPC is in Abyssea... Even though there is the thing about the trophies......?


I was wondering the exact same thing. I got all excited, then I noticed the word "crests".
Then I got uncomfortable.

I mean, the new BCNMs don't really have many worthwhile rewards, so I didn't think there was an issue with not having enough seals, ESPECIALLY now that we can trade them across mules. This is the only thing that makes me hopeful that we're dealing with EMP+1 items and that they consider the +2 items to be "crests". Although cards, stones, jewels, and coins don't commonly hold the properties of a crest.

*crosses fingers*

I don't think there are any "crests" for the +2.
This is what is drawing me to question....

[Korpg]

I can assure you with 100% certainty that this system is strictly for BS/KS/KC/HKCs only

[Sevokevo]

I can assure you with 100% certainty that this system is strictly for BS/KS/KC/HKCs only

There can be 2 ways to find out for sure...

1: Post here and ask.

2: Wait for the Update to hit in like a month for now.

[Korpg]

That is true... but could it be that the NPC is in Abyssea... Even though there is the thing about the trophies......?

This is what is drawing me to question....

I will probably guess that its the same NPC that stores the seals/crests themselves that you can do the exchange.

My hope is, they don't do a menu-intensive exchange and just say "How many XXX do you want to trade for YYY?"

[Sevokevo]

I will probably guess that its the same NPC that stores the seals/crests themselves that you can do the exchange.

My hope is, they don't do a menu-intensive exchange and just say "How many XXX do you want to trade for YYY?"

It did say in the Notes that a New NPC will be added for this. Not the Seals/crests storage NPC.

[Korpg]

It did say in the Notes that a New NPC will be added for this. Not the Seals/crests storage NPC.

I must have missed that part. Damn speed reading! Damn you I say!

[Calintzpso]

Well its a start. But I think they should do the same with AF3 Emphy Seals. At least the seals, the coins and stones/jewels can remain how they are as the set bonuses on some AF is powerful to just be handed out for farming a easy NM for 3 of said coins/stones/jewels you don't need.

I have like 39 Drk leg seals at last count, I never threw them away. Because I hoped someday they would let me use them for something. I'd gladly trade 3-4 seals of random crap from quests/ops/nms for that one seal to complete my 7/8. Especially when a NM I've been fighting is being stingy as all hell in drop rates lately.

My DRK is level 37 too, I don't plan to level it either SE. Take my Plethora of extra Seals! Give me my missing one seal dang it!

[Sevokevo]

That's what you get for speed reading lol

[Calintzpso]

aye -.- 12 hour shift of working did not help. Still up and not sleeping not helping either.

I'm going to bed.

My votes on cool system SE. Now expand on it, Make Emphy Armor seals have a system like it. Hell toss in a conquest restriction of like 3 seals you want a earth week(cause then eventually I'd get the seals I wanted at a pace even when I'm working all week). Or better yet, trade 3 Emphy Armor seals to a NPC to have a random chance at one seal back. Would make those drk seals into a form of re-purposed lotto tickets.

[Godofgods]

trading 3 beastman seals for another type wouldnt be all that suefull for most people. Tradeing 3 aby seals for one of their choosing however... that would be something everyone can use!

[Enaula]

Same way than imp piece in ToA:

3 BS -> 1 KS
3KS -> 1KC
3KC -> 1HKC

[Iridial]

A new exchange NPC for crests and seals will be added.

* Current plans call for allowing players to trade three seals/crests for any one seal/crest of their choice.

I am still holding out hope that it refers to empyrean seals. I don't know why they would use the words "seal/crest of their choice" if it was referring to beastman/kindred seals and crests. If I turned in 3 beastman seals, I wouldn't really have much choice in what seal or crest I got, 3 beastman seals would give me one Kindred seal.

[Kimble]

No, it is saying, you can trade any 3 of one kind, for 1 of another kind. Can trade 3 Crests for 1 Beastman seal, 1 Kindred seal or 1 HQ crests. Can trade 3 Kindred seal for 1 Beastman seal, 1 crests or 1 HQ crests.

I really dont know why you are all making this much harder than it needs to be.

[Bayohne]

The seals that this update is referring to are the Beastmen/Kindred-related crests and seals.

[Megatron]

Total waste of a update. complete garbage.

[Kimble]

Right, Because NO one needs a black belt nor does anyone want to do HNMs.

Very good update, gives me something to do with my 1000+ crests that really dont have that much of a use and much easier to farm.

[Octaviane]

Thanks Bayohne! It's not garbage to me, now we have a choice. :)

[Sparthos]

Right, Because NO one needs a black belt nor does anyone want to do HNMs.

Very good update, gives me something to do with my 1000+ crests that really dont have that much of a use and much easier to farm.

No ones gonna be doing HNMs with the drop rates on NQs for HQ triggers.

13 Fafnirs and 0 Nids w/TH and 9 Behemoth with only 1 KB is ridiculous. This is old decaying content, why the heck the droprates were set so low is beyond me.

[Kimble]

Guess all those shouts I see for KSNM 99 are just in my head then.

[hiko]

Total waste of a update. complete garbage.
total waste of a post!

total waste of a update?
am i allowed to call any job adjustemnt that are not for the job I play total waste of a update because i totally dont care about em?

I never did MMM, can I say all MMM were total waste of update?

I have over 3k BS that i wouldn't ever use, but need KS for my lol BB this will save me lot of time.
people may want to convert back and do BCNM to get some scrolls that sell for crazy price now because everybody leech their job

[Sparthos]

Guess all those shouts I see for KSNM 99 are just in my head then.

I said "no one's gonna be doing HNMs." i.e KB/Nid/Aspid

Fact is, this change is great if you wanna do Ks99 for BB items cause really that's the only place you'll be getting them from now until SE makes the HQ spawn items reasonable.

[Korpg]

Guess all those shouts I see for KSNM 99 are just in my head then.

Thats not all in your head.

Its a good thing you can't get arrested for things on your mind.

[hiko]

No ones gonna be doing HNMs with the drop rates on NQs for HQ triggers.

13 Fafnirs and 0 Nids w/TH and 9 Behemoth with only 1 KB is ridiculous. This is old decaying content, why the heck the droprates were set so low is beyond me.
on the BC you did for the 13 faf, you got 0 BB items? that's really bad luck.
now some people don't do BB because no time/wish to spend on KS farming,

[Raksha]

on the BC you did for the 13 faf, you got 0 BB items? that's really bad luck.
now some people don't do BB because no time/wish to spend on KS farming,

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/8554-HQ-king-triggers

When my LS did our few runs we went 1/8 behe tongue and 1/11 wyrm beard.

Fafnir doesn't drop bb item any more, and nidhog isn't 100% drop now either.
All in all it's actually harder to get BB items now than it was before.

[Runespider]

Fact is, this change is great if you wanna do Ks99 for BB items cause really that's the only place you'll be getting them from now until SE makes the HQ spawn items reasonable.

They have always modified things later in the line, if I was in charge of development of this I would of done it the exact same way. Make the drop rates suck at the start to make people use up stockpiles then ease it later on.

[Unctgtg]

Total waste of a update. complete garbage.

Some people are never happy unless they get exactly what they want, and when they get that, they want more. Stuff it Megatron.

[Myrid]

I said "no one's gonna be doing HNMs." i.e KB/Nid/Aspid

Fact is, this change is great if you wanna do Ks99 for BB items cause really that's the only place you'll be getting them from now until SE makes the HQ spawn items reasonable.

Uhm, before they were changed to forced pop, Fafnir/Adamantoise/Behemoth were considered HNMs as well.

[Ravenmore]

People expected a mob that poped once every 72 hour would have a high drop rate on the pop item.

[Xikeroth]

Actually, this update is garbage, the only thing this update really helps out is MNKs which SE have seemingly been giving everything to. Lets take an overall look at the population shall we? The majority of people do NOT care at all about kings. Only MNKs do. Now I know people will try to argue with me but thats the fact, the only people that really care about this at all are the people that leveled MNK.

In my honest opinion it would have been better for AF seals+2 items because I'm sorry to say to the dev team, they SUCK at making balanced drop rates. They can not try to tell me that the seal drop rates on NMs are balanced. I will break it down for one very simple factor, People in this game will always take the shortest easiest road to obtain the items they need. So regardless of how many NMs drop seals people in this game will ALWAYS farm the easiest one to kill. They don't care at all if a small group is trying to camp a NM, SE expect them to move to a stronger one for their target seal? No, they wont they will just over camp you. I have seen this happen a LOT so no one can try to claim it doesn't.

Also another thing Gukumatz for example is Over camped by people farming sobek so if someone needs seals from that NM a lot of the times the LS killing it wont even let them have the seals and will down right ignore requests for it.

So I think it would have been much better to include at least an AF3+1 seal exchange of a similar kind.

Very little of the population cares about seals/crests related to BCNMs.

[Alhanelem]

Total waste of a update. complete garbage.
This is extremely useful, now all those beastmen seals you aren't using can be exchanged to do higher tier BCs.. Did you really think that they meant you could trade in empyrean seals, especially when they threw the word "Crests" in there?

your lack of maturity here is without good reason.


they SUCK at making balanced drop rates.The drop rates ARE balanced. It's your crappy luck if you get more of the likely 3 seals you don't want.

With the huge number of unwanted seals some people get, do you really think it would be fair to be able to just trade any of them for the ones you want? No, you'd just kill the easiest NM and collect a jillion seals from it, and then trade em in for the one you want. Then, there would be bleepin' lines forming to kill that NM while all the others get ignored.


Very little of the population cares about seals/crests related to BCNMs. You're Wrong. lots of people do BCNMs. Some of the new ones in fact have quite desireable rewards. And even if you were right, it's not a good reason to fix something up that could use fixing.

[Korpg]

Actually, this update is garbage, the only thing this update really helps out is MNKs which SE have seemingly been giving everything to. Lets take an overall look at the population shall we? The majority of people do NOT care at all about kings. Only MNKs do. Now I know people will try to argue with me but thats the fact, the only people that really care about this at all are the people that leveled MNK.

In my honest opinion it would have been better for AF seals+2 items because I'm sorry to say to the dev team, they SUCK at making balanced drop rates. They can not try to tell me that the seal drop rates on NMs are balanced. I will break it down for one very simple factor, People in this game will always take the shortest easiest road to obtain the items they need. So regardless of how many NMs drop seals people in this game will ALWAYS farm the easiest one to kill. They don't care at all if a small group is trying to camp a NM, SE expect them to move to a stronger one for their target seal? No, they wont they will just over camp you. I have seen this happen a LOT so no one can try to claim it doesn't.

Also another thing Gukumatz for example is Over camped by people farming sobek so if someone needs seals from that NM a lot of the times the LS killing it wont even let them have the seals and will down right ignore requests for it.

So I think it would have been much better to include at least an AF3+1 seal exchange of a similar kind.

Very little of the population cares about seals/crests related to BCNMs.

A) Its garbage because it doesn't effect you and won't hurt/hinder you at all, but might help somebody else? Did I get that right?

B) I didn't realize that one particular seal dropped from one NM ever. I could have sworn that seals drop from at least 3 NMs, and from other sources (quests for one).

C) It gives reason for "outdated" content. I mean, if people didn't care anything about BS/KS, why would they store it in the NPC? Why not just toss it and be done with it?

[Sparthos]

Uhm, before they were changed to forced pop, Fafnir/Adamantoise/Behemoth were considered HNMs as well.

We can split hairs all day on the definition of an HNM.

Point is, most of Nid/KB/Aspid drops are obsolete. Drops that take 10-15mins in Abyssea are superior or competitive to the pools these mobs have.

There is no reason to make obsolete NMs so exclusive when mostly what people want are Black Belt items. You have to put in at least 8hours of farming to get the 99 seals so I see no reason why the NQ mobs shouldn't have at least a 50%+ rate on giving you the HQ equivalents.

Old content is old. Who cares if Dring is made that much easier to get when Dark Rings have been competitive for months now.

[Siiri]

Great little feature for those who care and collect seals. My social linkshell runs about a 25% drop rate on black belt items from KSNM99s over time. (Years, not one day) It is the way all our monks get their black belts as we are a social. Also, we have been running the new Kindred Crest battles once a week, its a nice break from Abyssea. Not sure why so many people complain about every little thing. I think SE has made a bunch of new tweaks that has made the game more enjoyable. Good job, SE.

[hiko]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/8554-HQ-king-triggers

When my LS did our few runs we went 1/8 behe tongue and 1/11 wyrm beard.

Fafnir doesn't drop bb item any more, and nidhog isn't 100% drop now either.
All in all it's actually harder to get BB items now than it was before.
yes but 0/13 item from the KSNM is unlucky

[Kari]

Reading what people have to say on these forums often hurts my head.
First off, awesome update, anyone who says otherwise is just derp because they're all "QQ I wanted to exchange my AF3 +1 seals because they're SOOO hard to get!"
And those complaining about the drop rates from the whole ground kings situation, they're not that bad.
Sure, I miss the old way of just camping them since it wasn't all that difficult to do, but the new way isn't extremely terrible.
My LS, with about 6 people participating, managed to complete the Behemoth KS99 twice for 2 NQ pops, did that NQ twice with a THF for TH [only got to about TH6/7], got one pop for HQ, killed HQ and got a tongue.
The KS99 also dropped a tongue when we did it for pops. We had two happy MNKs that day.

[RAIST]

yes but 0/13 item from the KSNM is unlucky

random in this game just sucks that way. the drop rate % of older content is accounting for massive samples including some that went 1/1 and others that have goin 0/20+ on items. Either way, that figure continually evolves due to the nature of how it all works programatically.

Random for a computer is not a true roll of the dice like in the real world, it is actually run off a preset set of numbers generated when the hardware is fabricated. So if the programmers are saying a 10% win rate, that doesn't mean a strict 1/10 chance you will get the drop in FFXI--it means only 10% of the full range of your potential roll results will net you a win. If you get stuck in the algorythm at a point where that roll won't fall in that 10% range for 30 rolls even with any potential modifiers to your roll, well you are just SOL until that server gets out of that bad spot in the track. It's more an issue of timing than luck.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Total waste of a update. complete garbage.Agreed.

Superfluous text.

[Calintzpso]

The seals that this update is referring to are the Beastmen/Kindred-related crests and seals.


Any chance taking back to the dev team that we would like the same sort of system for the Emphrean Armor +1 set Seals? I mentioned about 3 ways it could be done, each with their own varying levels of game balances to consider.

The Ideas were:

1. Let us either trade Empyrean Armor seals through a NPC to someone else who also would be required to trade a Empyrean Armor Seal back through said NPC.

2. Allow us to trade 3 of the Armor Seals to a NPC to get the one(1) seal we request from the NPC in return.

3. Allow people the chance to re-roll their luck on the Armor seals they have already gotten through a NPC. Trade 3 seals to a NPC to have a random 1 seal given back to you. This would put use to Seals some people don't need but still get, turns them into a form of lotto ticket for another chance.

Each of these ideas could be balanced and acceptable, as much as many would like it to be clean and cut like its said. We don't think its unreasonable to ask one of the above with some minor restriction or weekly limit. The 3 seals traded in must be of same Armor Slot Type is one example, 3 Feet of any jobs for 1 Feet of a job you want. The above is mostly to just promote reasonable progression and cut down on complaints mostly from soloists and quest runners for their Armor seals.

Armor seals from Quest NPCs is much more of a shot in the dark then killing a NM with a super small group and getting a Yellow "!!". Not all jobs can solo. I believe this to be a fair compromise.

[Korpg]

Armor seals from Quest NPCs is much more of a shot in the dark then killing a NM with a super small group and getting a Yellow "!!". Not all jobs can solo. I believe this to be a fair compromise.

But what is keeping you from joining those super small groups for yellow?

Even if you join a NIN + WHM + BLM group, any job would help increase the kill rate for any seal mobs out there. Including PUP.

[Tazz]

Ahh darn I was so hoping to trade the useless seals I get from Dominion for the pieces I already have upgraded for seals I actually needed. very sad now :( Maybe this could be added in the future because nothing is more frustrating than getting a seal for an item you already have or dont even need ><

[Ravenmore]

Me and my rdm friend can farm seal just fine. Me on blu him on rdm enough healing to not need a whm got enough yellow procs so its not that bad. Kill speed is fair seeing how not having a mnk tank enfeebles can be used allowing for me to only use one eva atma. Seals really are not that hard to get.

Back on topic, I have 100bs that not doing anything with bout 500 KC/HKC (thrown more then that away) I can now turn those into KS. Sure there are many other p[eople that have large amounts of other seas they have no plans to do anything with. On top of if you go out to farm KS seals now getting a BS is no longer a waste of a drop, and you can pick up KC/HKC in exp or TE farming anything else you can think of doing in abyssea.

The devs are reponding to hot topics on here thats was brought up many times the lack of KSs. I didn't agree with it bur none the less it was a big items for a while on here. Them even doing this is 100x more then they did before, it shows they listen to us we might not get what we want or the way we want it but they are doing something.

[wildsprite]

I agree, this is a total waste of time, I dont do BCNMs, I dont like them, I consider them a waste of time, would be nice if I could trade the beastmen seals, kindred seals, kindred crests and high kindred crests to something useful like gil or Emperean Seals but I wont hold my breath for that....

[Sevokevo]

The seals that this update is referring to are the Beastmen/Kindred-related crests and seals.

Thank You There.

Since this message all I have been seeing is rants and complants when the only thing We seek is answers. I hate seeing rants and complaints like this and this thread is done.

LOCK!!