Same Sex Marriages in FFXI

[Midgeon]

This should be an option and we should petition for this to be added or updated in the current marriage process.

The amount of players in FFXI that are male and play female characters is astounding The world is changing and a lot of homosexuals play the game as well, this should be an option.

How can we make it happen?

[Alhanelem]

Been beaten to death already. Please use the search function. Due to cultural differences this will most likely never happen.

That said, as the marriage system was all but removed a while back, you can just hold your own ceremonies whenever and however you want. Even having a wedding before the change wasn't some kind of official recognition or binding contract with SE.

[Greatguardian]

Since you only have one post, I'll just assume you hadn't read these forums the first time this thread was made.

It did not turn out well.

100 pages of personal attacks and political banter later, the thread was locked.

I sincerely wish you the best of luck in attempting to keep this thread civil.

[Atomic_Skull]

This should be an option and we should petition for this to be added or updated in the current marriage process.

The amount of players in FFXI that are male and play female characters is astounding The world is changing and a lot of homosexuals play the game as well, this should be an option.

How can we make it happen?

I support mithra/mithra marriages so long as they canonize certain FFXI doujins by Jack-O-Lantern. This would also require adding a third gender to the game.

Get on it SE!

[Midgeon]

Oh Ive beaten this to death before haha my one post means nothing since I have read it but the ceremonies still arent the same. Ive been trying for 5 years now. I know this is in vain but I had to say it!

[JiltedValkyrie]

I like how you only mention gay men playing FFXI. Honestly, it's already in there and you can do it. It's not "official" but you still can. Additionally, meh. Marriage. Meh.

[Midgeon]

I didnt only mention gay men, I said more males play female characters. Homosexuals covers all. There was no gender implied.

[Alhanelem]

It doesn't matter. It's a beaten to death topic, and SE has already given their stance. Please search for the old thread.

Also: In before the lock.
(please lock this before it turns into yet another mess)

[Midgeon]

I did read the old thread honestly. This should be locked... But it was an attempt. Though the "Third gender" is a good idea. The marriage ceremonies are much different then just a "ceremony" due to the application process. You all have a good night.

[Gennadi]

I want to marry a fish is this possible?

[wish12oz]

Gay marriage isn't allowed in japan and wont be allowed in the game, people need to just get over it and move on. It's not like you even get anything for being married, maybe if there was some awesome thing you'd get for doing it, it would matter, but there isn't.

[Ketaru]

I want to marry a fish is this possible?

You see, this is why threads about the subject go down south with little to no discussion. Is when people take an adult and a minor, or an adult and a non-human, or an adult and whatever, and think it's the exact same as 2 consenting adults.

[Atomic_Skull]

Gay marriage isn't allowed in japan and wont be allowed in the game, people need to just get over it and move on.

Futanari mithras would be perfectly acceptable though.

[lowkey]

I want to marry a fish is this possible?

Provided that a fish is able (meaning it's of the legal age, and mentally competent) to give consent, then yes, you should be able to enter into any business agreement with them, including, but not limited to marriage. However since fish do not have the mental faculties to give consent, or even have the slightest notion of what marriage is, it should remain illegal.

Also I'm not for sure what you, or the fish would stand to gain anyway. There are absolutely no legal benefits which you would be entitled to. Fish can't own property, they don't pay taxes, they don't have pensions, insurance policies, or other similar items for a spouse to inherit, and pretty much any medical decision you might need to make for them you can already do as a pet owner.

All that aside, no to gay marriage in game. The devs have better things to worry about than old, outdated content, that pretty much no one cares about, or has ever cared about. If it makes people feel better, maybe they could just remove marriage from the game completely. It's not like anyone would notice.

[Miera]

Why don't they just add in Cross-dressing, too? C'mon people, we got other problems to be worrying about than In-game Marriage.

[Greatguardian]

Why don't they just add in Cross-dressing, too? C'mon people, we got other problems to be worrying about than In-game Marriage.

The Dancer job was added in the Wings of the Goddess expansion pack.

[Miera]

That's not rally cross dressing... The DNC attire looks a bit odd on Male Characters and even Galka but still I wouldn't consider it cross dressing.

[Kaych]

I support this thread^^

And if you wanna talk about the "cultural difference", just look at the male dancer in WotG that has a lisp. I think SE would be open to same sex marrige^_-

[Saefinn]

I support this thread, not just because I support the LGBT community, but also because it's a game feature. Although I'm straight, I tried having a gay marriage because I jokingly mess around with one of the guys in my LS...marriage was the next obvious step in our little games - we had to have a fake one and it actually had a pretty good turn out. It doesn't necessarily have to be JUST about it being an LGBT issue either, getting married is a part of the game and not every male plays male characters and not every female plays female characters. A manthra and mithra for example. I don't see how people who have an issue with homosexuality could have a problem because it doesn't really affect them.

I understand cultural differences, but I think a game open to a world wide audiences would be open to cultural differences, not closed like for examples, cultures who accept gay marriage and are tolerant of homosexuality? As I say, it doesn't really affect those who are closed off, they don't have to marry a guy (or girl) themselves, they don't have to participate in the ceremony and I'd hazard to say that they wouldn't even know the 'M' above somebody's head is for another guy or a girl. Heck the girl they could be married to could actually be a guy playing a girl character (or the girl playing a guy character).

However, if this version of the debate remains civil, then I'll have respect for people on the forum, sadly, I know what people are like and if I were to bet money, I'd bet it going south. It's a shame, but sadly not everybody is mature.

[Gennadi]

You see, this is why threads about the subject go down south with little to no discussion. Is when people take an adult and a minor, or an adult and a non-human, or an adult and whatever, and think it's the exact same as 2 consenting adults.

I demand my rights to marry aquatic sea life its in my legal rights!!!

[Kingofgeeks]

i fully agree. i know 2 friends who play mithra because of the stats and the character in general. If they decide to marry a F Hume then they can't.. Obviously this would've been avoided if we had Manthras but still. i see logical use for this kind of freedom

[JTF]

I demand my rights to marry aquatic sea life its in my legal rights!!!

Go find a sexy Sahagin to spend your life with.

[Razushu]

Go find a sexy Sahagin to spend your life with.

Or a Merrow http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/images/mobs/NM/Merrow-No.5.jpg

[Alhanelem]

Lock the thread, it's already an irrelevant mess.

[Myokoji]

The same sex thing is improving in Japan but I doubt they'll add it in this game, it's just so unlikely, even in FFXIV ^^; (Is there marriage in that!?) Only played one game with same-sex marriage, Chinese one O_O;;

Although I personally think marriage in a game is soooo silly, but that's only my view. You could just role play it hehe

[Atomic_Skull]

i fully agree. i know 2 friends who play mithra because of the stats and the character in general. If they decide to marry a F Hume then they can't..


Futanari mithras, problem solved.

[Olor]

As a queer girl myself I totally support this. But - I also don't expect it to change. My gf doesn't even want to HEAR about the game and I am not about to "marry" some random person in game so even if SE stopped being so silly about the issue it isn't like I would be using it anyway.

That said, whether I use it or not, it is just ridiculous that it wasn't an option in the first place. Then again, I think it is more important for people to fight for this right in real life than in a game.

[Alhanelem]

What's ridiculous is people are making a fuss over this. If it had any effect on the game itself or gave you any special rights or anything, then I might understand. but it doesn't. It's no longer even an "official" thing anymore and you have to make things up yourself.

If you really want to do this, you can. The only thing is you can't get the ring. So just give him or her something of your own creation with your name on it instead.

[Olor]

What's ridiculous is people are making a fuss over this.

No, asking to be treated equally is not ridiculous, and I don't think that politely asking to be treated equally is "making a fuss" - if you don't think this is important, than you don't need to participate in the thread asking for it.

[Charismatic]

I don't think Vana'diel looks like a world that's progressive enough to support same-sex marriage. Too bad.

[Alhanelem]

No, asking to be treated equally is not ridiculous, and I don't think that politely asking to be treated equally is "making a fuss" - if you don't think this is important, than you don't need to participate in the thread asking for it.
This isn't about being treated equally. "Marraige" in this game is purely a construct of the players who make it. You don't need SE, any ingame mechanisim, or anything to get "married" in the game. Especially since this is only about the gender of the character and not the gender of the players themselves. You can be GLBT and get "married" all you want. No one is stopping you. "weddings," which really no longer exist in the game outside of an NPC that can give you a ring. And you dont even need that because you could just craft your own rings with your own names on them and trade them to eachother.

You DONT NEED SE TO RECOGNIZE THIS. YOU CAN JUST DO IT ANYWAY. THE WEDDING SERVICE WAS REMOVED ALTOGETHER.

I will fully exercise my right to participate in this thread.

[Cruentus]

Absolutely not! This is the last thing we need! Marriage is a holy, sacred union that is not to be desecrated by your sexual indecency!

[Fincat]

SE should just remove gender constraints from items in general. (blah blah blah, then men can wear dresses and the world would be turned upside down...)

[Heady]

This game needs to have more hispanic references. I can think of hundreds of eastern and germanic references right off the the top of my head and a few NA pop culture things as well. But us hispanics are getting the short end of the stick...we got a few cactuar nm's and thats all I can think of. Please take the time to change this highly irrelevant "cultural reference imbalance" SE.

Umm yea.. Like people keep saying look back in old threads. I think someone went over the entire process of getting a ring for both parties regardless of sex. Perhaps if people would spend more than 30 seconds researching something alot less threads like this would get made....

[Alhanelem]

This game needs to have more hispanic references. I can think of hundreds of eastern and germanic references right off the the top of my head and a few NA pop culture things as well. But us hispanics are getting the short end of the stick...we got a few cactuar nm's and thats all I can think of. Please take the time to change this highly irrelevant "cultural reference imbalance" SE.

Umm yea.. Like people keep saying look back in old threads. I think someone went over the entire process of getting a ring for both parties regardless of sex. Perhaps if people would spend more than 30 seconds researching something alot less threads like this would get made....
oh gimme a break.... so now SE is discriminating because they don't have enough hispanics.,,

Anyway. It's plenty possible to make up your own wedding with your own rings you made yourself and tell everyone you're married. Why does SE even have to be involved in this? Why do you think most games don't add marriage systems at all? Because they don't want to deal with this issue.

[Heady]

oh gimme a break.... so now SE is discriminating because they don't have enough hispanics.,,

I guess this line wasn't a dead giveaway...


Please take the time to change this highly irrelevant "cultural reference imbalance" SE.

[Selzak]

it juss ain't right!

[Laraul]

This is a game. And you can choose your gender. And unlike real marriage there are no benefits or consequences that come with this. The Marriage system is modeled after a traditional western style wedding. And was added for kicks. For fun. It's NOT the same thing as real marriage. Not even close.

[Olor]

why did you bold "western"? Cause I live in the so-called west and gay marriage is legal here. So... I would suggest gay marriage is a "traditional western marriage"

[Alhanelem]

This is a game. And you can choose your gender. And unlike real marriage there are no benefits or consequences that come with this. The Marriage system is modeled after a traditional western style wedding. And was added for kicks. For fun. It's NOT the same thing as real marriage. Not even close.
Not to mention the marriage system as we know it has been almost entirely removed since the PLayer Event Support system.

[Saefinn]

If you're going to go by game lore, well, I suspect places like San d'Oria wouldn't be in support of gay marriage, so you wouldn't get married in San d'Oria, but maybe you should in Windurst who seem a lot more laid back. But it's a fantasy game, sure it takes inspiration from History and the mythology and religions of several different cultures, it doesn't mean there's any kind of Historical accuracy to it. Heck the game constantly breaks consistency for features, so why would it really matter?

And I think as marriage has been added for kicks and fun there's no reason there should be any restrictions on which players want to pair up. As said, it's not real marriage. If somebody would rather go for the proper thing in the game for the little 'M' above their head, then let them, after all, those two cat ladies could be a manthra and his girlfriend, so it's not just homosexual marriages being prevented (heck a manthra could easily marry his hume M boyfriend, so really gay players can have their marriages).

[Xellith]

Galka... a race of men only.
Mithras... a race with a 100/1 ratio of women to men.

You telling me there Isn't some brotherly love going on there? Isn't some sisterly love?

Puuuleaze.

Gay marriage should be in the game. It just makes sense. I mean its not like any of the races interbreed... apart from the one and only case in the entire game (you know who.. a little humelvaan girl we all know and love).

[Runespider]

The took our jerbs!!

oops wrong thread.

In all seriouslness though just add the ability to marry anyone...it's an ingame marriage system, it's not something serious. It's just some fun roleplaying RL in a game, who cares what marries what. Not like any of us even really see people getting married ingame or there being anything that effects anyone else ingame from it happening anyway.

[Saefinn]

Add then, if you could really play a fish, then get that married too and yes, I am being serious, I often introduce myself to Japanese players as, "I am a fish" (watashi wa sakana desu), so I could easily have dressed up as a Sahagin in my fake gay wedding (which was also just a bit of fun), though my ingame partner wouldn't have appreciated it, he had me come in my subligar. We're not really a couple, but it made for a brilliant LS event. Having the little 'M' above our heads would be brilliant in commemorating that event.

[Ethereal]

Haters gonna hate, complainers gonna complain. Happens in every aspect of life. But seriously come on guys, it is still a game, some of you might have forgotten that or fell too obsessed with it that they attach themselves to their characters, and detach themselves from RL. I used to play relentlessly and I could feel it hindering my RL and effecting my thought process, I was getting real "complainy" over every little thing in game and out of it.

SE is busy adjusting mechanics and game balance and people worry about this crap. In a video game it is trivial. You are not your character, you are you, detach yourselves.

[Psxpert2011]

LOCK this thread because this is clearly a issue of cultural difference, lifestyle difference and very controversial, inviting people to rant on and on.

I don't support the homosexual agenda. It's happening in RL, in home depot and in the military and now attacking marrage and family institutions!

Be wary Square, stay neutral and forget these type of people exist in the game.

[wish12oz]

LOCK this thread because this is clearly a issue of cultural difference, lifestyle difference and very controversial, inviting people to rant on and on.

I don't support the homosexual agenda. It's happening in RL, in home depot and in the military and now attacking marrage and family institutions!

Be wary Square, stay neutral and forget these type of people exist in the game.

QFT

Marriage is traditionally between a human man and a human women, nothing else, if you have a problem with that, go make something else for bob and steve and don't call it marriage. While I agree they should have legal protection under the law and the same rights as married people if that's what they want, they cannot get 'married.' It's stupid to change old traditions just to make a few liberals happy. Marriage is a privilege, not a right. That's why you cannot marry fish, or horses, or dogs, or the sofa or your character on love+, marriage is between a human man, and a human woman, in the terms of the the game that would be any of the evolved intelligent races as long as they were opposite genders.

[chubrocka]

really..........

[Saefinn]

Marriage may traditionally be between a man and a woman. It used to traditionally be between cousins and even 12 year olds (It still is in some countries). It used to be tradition that women would stay at home and raise the kids whilst men went to work. It used to be tradition that fathers would have to marry their daughters off because they weren't allowed to work, even leading to forced and unwanted marriages because of this tradition. It used to be tradition that marriage was between a white man and a white woman, never a black man and a white woman (or vice versa). It used to be tradition for leaders to be chosen by blood and not by merit or public vote. It was traditional for people to swear allegiance to the Queen or King and country and deal with it, not to revolt like with the American Revolution.

Why do we have to listen to tradition? Sure we get a lot of whiny liberals, but they're only whiny about civil rights really, if we didn't have people whining about civil rights because we ought to do things by tradition then we would really wouldn't have any rights. Rights haven't been granted because leaders have been 'nice' but because whiny people got their heads together and fought for them. I suspect when people were calling for interracial marriage they threw the same arguments, "well, why don't I marry a fish?", "it's breaking the tradition of marriage because it's between a white man and a white woman", "marriage is a holy thing and it is indecent to mix blood with another race!" Heck, I've even spoken to Christians who call being black 'having received the curse of Ham' and claim that it makes them automatic sinners. Now, we are able to call these people bigots.