Decrease the NPC buy price of some items!

[kewitt]

Ruby Ring May. 28, 2011 Kantaro Yoma 8,000
Pro-ether +1 May. 28, 2011 Robybaggio Yoma 2,000
Slice Of Land Crab Meat x12 May. 28, 2011 Weissmel Yoma 3,000
Slice Of Land Crab Meat x12 May. 28, 2011 Weissmel Yoma 3,000
Infinity Core May. 28, 2011 Oblaka Yoma 1,000
Infinity Core May. 28, 2011 Chun Yoma 1,000
Chrysoberyl May. 28, 2011 Mutenroushi Yoma 2,000
Pearl May. 28, 2011 Sparklight Yoma 1,000
Fiendish Skin May. 28, 2011 Miruye Yoma 1,000
Piece Of Wisteria Lumber x12 May. 28, 2011 Penello Yoma 75,000
Philosopher's Stone May. 28, 2011 Mutenroushi Yoma 3,000
Unicorn Horn May. 28, 2011 Omikun Yoma 1,000
Unicorn Horn May. 28, 2011 Roykeen Yoma 1,000
Antlion Jaw May. 28, 2011 Sanarin Yoma 2,000
Demon Horn May. 28, 2011 Fara Yoma 1,000
Coral Fragment May. 28, 2011 Calmer Yoma 1,000
Behemoth Horn May. 28, 2011 Tow Yoma 4,000
Spool Of Malboro Fiber May. 28, 2011 Moukaku Yoma 3,000
Lock Of Siren's Hair May. 28, 2011 Biscuitea Yoma 5,000
Lock Of Siren's Hair May. 28, 2011 Biscuitea Yoma 5,000
Square Of Raxa May. 28, 2011 Robybaggio Yoma 7,000
Jug Of Wool Grease May. 28, 2011 Latooni Yoma 6,000
Piece Of Oxblood May. 28, 2011 Castlex Yoma 12,000
Scroll Of Stone V May. 28, 2011 Perruche Yoma 5,000


Every item this person is buying off the AH he is turning around and selling to a NPC for profit.

Yes I know supply and demand but currently this is a hole RMT can fall into.

I would also include Scroll Of Absorb spells, and some raw crafting items. As a crafting have RMT bots buy up items only to NPC is a pain when there is already low supply on the AH. Take buffalo hides I've rased the price from 1k ah to 3k yet yoma still found the 1 on the AH for 1k. Yes there is a little better of a suply right now because the price is now around 3k but crafting from 41-43 has taken 4 weeks so far because of supply on a 3% drop rate. With being able to take 2 crafts to 100 or 80 points post 60 this is going to be even more of a pain.

Another options would be to have the AH auto buy something for min fame price. When you post something for below min NPC resale price you would get a warning this items is going to be auto sold.

Yes I know this is protecting the stupid but really sometimes it has to be done.

[Selzak]

I wouldn't consider buying low and selling high for a profit of less than 1,000 gil after taking the time to research and scour the AH for random items to be a "hole for RMT to fall into." Calm down.

[Meyi]

Anyone who buys gil now...well...

[Raksha]

There's a mule on my server who does that too.

http://www.ffxiah.com/player/Lakshmi/Lacusuu

obviously botting.

[Gadanae]

Anyone who buys gil now...well...

Would have to agree. I don't know anyone that buys gil anymore. Kinda pointless now with all the ways money can be made without farmng, or crafting. Just from regular play I go up in gil, not down. And part of that is because I NPC sell some things that make it to my inventory.

I say, leave the NPC sell prices alone. RMT really have not been a problem for quite some time. I doubt just because this one you found is doing that, the game balance is going to crumble because of it. Also, assuming that this person is an RMT could be wrong in itself. Could be a player. If he wants to camp the AH all day looking for stuff he can NPC for more, more power to him.

[Zyeriis]

I see absolutely no reason for this. If people are idiots, thats their problem. I'll be more than happy to buy stuff on the ah and npc it (and do) to turn a profit. Their loss is my gain, thats just simple economics (for idiots).

Unless of course you want people to buy all the items then re-sell them on the auction house for more (which is an actual RMT maneuver) then I see little reason to complain. Also, people think other people bot the Auction House to take advantage of morons selling cheaper than they can NPC for just to undercut other people? Lol, now I've heard it all. I'm sorry, theres this thing called notepad, you type stuff in it, like the names of items the aforementioned morons put on auction house for the aforementioned lower than you can NPC it prices.

If things are so common that they are getting sold for less than they're worth elsewhere, then chances are you can get the same item just as easily if some one is "taking advantage" of their stupidity. If anything those people buying said things to just NPC should be incentive to up your prices on those items (you know like some one with half a brain would do).

Edit: People that do this should be rewarded for having a degree of intelligence and that reward is already in place: the extra gil.

[Neisan_Quetz]

In the first place, if you were putting it on the AH when it NPCs better that's your fault for not maximizing gains and it's not his fault he's benefitting on people being not smart; Capitalism is a beautiful thing isn't it.

[Francisco]

Nothing needs to be done about this. These people did their research, and are making profit from it. I once made millions of gil in a week HQ Devotee's Mitts when they were selling for 400,000 gil. Pretty much the same thing... I researched it, found a huge supply of Zealot Mitts, no one making Devotee's +1... and there was a pretty high demand for them.

The synth cost about 7000 gil to do, and sold for up to 400,000 gil. Good thing you didn't catch on to me doing that, or you'd probably be screaming that SE needs to lower the drop rate of Zealot Mitts, or make the NM drop rare/ex Devotee's Mitts +1, or limit the attempts to make Devotee's Mitts +1 to once per conquest tally (maybe they can add a key item you need to try it!), or make it so all items on AH can only be sold for exactly 5% more than the NPC buy price.

The only "problem" I ever had with it... you could never get a piece of raxa from the AH because people always listed it for ~2000 gil less than the NPC price... but I guess those are the breaks.

[Yarly]

Guys, the auction house needs to be shut down. People are profiting, that has RMT written all over it!!!! :( HALP US SE!!!

[Malamasala]

I thought this thread was about the opposite. I really don't think armors with +34 def is worth 50 000 gil from NPCs just because I need to wear it in a quest or something. If this NPC tried to sell it on AH, it would be worth 10 000 gil tops, but now he is a NPC and he can take any price he wants to. (Or rather SE randomly picks)

It is just silly that NPCs sells junk for obscene amounts of gil.

[rog]

Sounds like the problem is retards selling things on the AH when they could get more gil from an npc.

[Panthera]

Leave the item price be. Isn't RMT reasonably contained? Especially seeing as how the game is so rare/ex based these days, as opposed to AH based.

[Hoshi]

I don't think RMT would be overly interested in this method of making gil, it's rather slow compared to farming gil inside abyssea.

[rog]

I don't think RMT would be overly interested in this method of making gil, it's rather slow compared to farming gil inside abyssea.
As long as it makes more than the $12.95/month it costs to have an account active and botting the AH, it does not really matter if it is slow.

[Seriha]

The bigger problem is something like this can potentially be automated, and probably is with things configured to never pay over X amount for a given item.

Perhaps the larger problem when NPC prices are too high is when there are things people can actually use, like spell scrolls, that get NPC'd instead of AH'd. One might argue if a market was flooded enough for that to happen, then the desired scroll(s) would certainly show up, but if it becomes common enough knowledge that vendoring them is more profitable, or you get a select few scarfing them up every time they're under the ceiling value for profit, that scroll may as well not exist since it's creating an artificial demand on a potentially otherwise balanced resource.

Either way, not a whole lot SE can do about this without putting in some kind of account cap system, and that'd just piss people off if it's too intrusive. Sure, you could slash NPC prices, but if people won't AH a scroll for 5k, they certainly won't do it for 1k.

[Karbuncle]

Sounds like the problem is retards selling things on the AH when they could get more gil from an npc.

This is the only answer.

You people need to stop chuggin' the Haterade in here!

I Know this sounds like the "Mean" answer, but really, Blame the suppliers selling for less than NPC price. This is a problem with players, not the game. this requires no fix except maybe an I.Q Check for putting things on the auction house :|.

Want an Easy fix to this exploit? Sell for higher than the NPC price! I don't see a reason SE Waste production time altering NPC prices when the players can fix this problem themselves...

[Daremo]

When I have something to sell I always check the NPC price first. Sometimes, if it seems like something that a real player(as opposed to an AH bot/mule) needs, I'll put it up for a little more than the NPC price+taxes. 90% of the times that I do that, that item comes back to me.

So yeah, sometimes people buying things to NPC is the only reason you see any movement on an item at all.

[Ravenmore]

I check AH then NPC price, if the npc price is higher then the AH and i can make more then 1000k I go back and buy all thats in stock as long as I can make a profit. Lets not kid our selfs here RMT have long since moved on FF11 no longer provides much profit. They may well still be out there but really only really new players would buy gil just starting out and really how many are out there.

[Olor]

I used to buy underpriced stuff on the AH and NPC it. It is a legitimate way of making money... and honestly the profit to time ratio is probably not high enough for RMT to bother with

[GlobalVariable]

Perhaps the larger problem when NPC prices are too high is when there are things people can actually use, like spell scrolls, that get NPC'd instead of AH'd. One might argue if a market was flooded enough for that to happen, then the desired scroll(s) would certainly show up, but if it becomes common enough knowledge that vendoring them is more profitable, or you get a select few scarfing them up every time they're under the ceiling value for profit, that scroll may as well not exist since it's creating an artificial demand on a potentially otherwise balanced resource. Actually I'd like to put out the argument that if more people were actually buying these the price at the AH would have been higher. Its a small small small handful of folks that catch the stuff worth buying to run to NPC.

People have gotten stuck in a "if I list it lower it will sell faster!" mentality that isn't true when your the worlds only supply on AH. Kinda funny. And sad ._.

[rog]

Personally i don't even bother checking ah prices anymore. Everything i get goes straight to the an npc.

[Coldbrand]

Cough up some more damn gil on the AH then.

[kewitt]

Everyone that says this isn't worth it for RMT.
Time spent! non automatic it's botable.
My orginal paste was for ~100k profit about 1/4 of a day for this bot. 400k/day.
Random RMT website. 1000 K FFXI Gil USD$ 17.60

Every 3-4 days he is making a 1m gil
works out to ~$120 a month.
times that by 16 servers and now we are at $720/month.
now in china $720 US is good money.

There is gil being made this way don't fool yourself.

[Atomic_Skull]

There is gil being made this way don't fool yourself.

It's not a large enough problem to justify the harm it would cause to legitimate players and to the community. RMT are already contained well enough that SE doesn't need to comb though the game's economy systematically removing every possible way to make gil.

I for one do not want to return to the days when gil making methods were jealously guarded secrets that would get you flamed if you talked about them publicly out of fear that SE might read it and get out the nerf bat (and fear was not unjustified because it happened many many times)

Lets not go back to that please.

[Zyeriis]

Everyone that says this isn't worth it for RMT.
Time spent! non automatic it's botable.
My orginal paste was for ~100k profit about 1/4 of a day for this bot. 400k/day.
Random RMT website. 1000 K FFXI Gil USD$ 17.60

Every 3-4 days he is making a 1m gil
works out to ~$120 a month.
times that by 16 servers and now we are at $720/month.
now in china $720 US is good money.

There is gil being made this way don't fool yourself.
3-4 days for 1 mil? That's chump change. 400k/day is crap too. Even if it was worth it for "RMT", thinking that it is some way anyone's fault other than the morons who put it up cheaper than they can npc it is pitiable (and laughable). I really don't see what your problem is (cause there isn't a problem). Also, visit RMT websites much?

Side Note: Your math is also off (with 16 characters that would be less than $700/month due to account fees not to mention the fluxing of how many retards are putting those items up for cheaper than they can sell them for to a NPC, so you can't have a solid number. I'd say 400k/day is only on a good day full of morons).

Edit: Next you're going to complain about people selling aurore/teal/perle gear on the auction house for more than it npcs for because they're so easy to get. (How did I reach this conclusion? You see to be "defending" the idiots who put stuff up for less than they can NPC it for. Thus making me think that you want them to keep it that low so you can buy that stuff. Yes, this is a passive aggressive way of questioning how poor you are in the game, especially when you're complaining about something that doesn't affect you at all, other than people having more money than you because they're semi-intelligent).

[GlobalVariable]

I don't care if RMT can use it. ANYTHING a player can do so can RMT. Nerf everything? "RMT can use it" is not a good reason for nerfing anything. Just stop bringing up RMT.

[Glamdring]

I thought this thread was about the opposite. I really don't think armors with +34 def is worth 50 000 gil from NPCs just because I need to wear it in a quest or something. If this NPC tried to sell it on AH, it would be worth 10 000 gil tops, but now he is a NPC and he can take any price he wants to. (Or rather SE randomly picks)

It is just silly that NPCs sells junk for obscene amounts of gil.

sounds like you met Brygid, the little bitch of Bastok! Yeah, I hate that NPC price crap. On top of that, she makes us buy useless gear! Seriously, it costs and you'll never use it again.

[Glamdring]

The OP's point, why would you sell something for LESS than an NPC will pay for it? It costs you an available slot AND you are leaving $ on the table.

[Eeek]

Perhaps the larger problem when NPC prices are too high is when there are things people can actually use, like spell scrolls, that get NPC'd instead of AH'd. One might argue if a market was flooded enough for that to happen, then the desired scroll(s) would certainly show up, but if it becomes common enough knowledge that vendoring them is more profitable, or you get a select few scarfing them up every time they're under the ceiling value for profit, that scroll may as well not exist since it's creating an artificial demand on a potentially otherwise balanced resource.

The price of scrolls is based on player demand and supply. The majority of people will not NPC an in-demand scroll that commands a decent price on the AH (unless, say, they need their AH slots for something more lucrative).

The market is already balanced. There's such little demand for some scrolls that the AH value nosedived beneath the NPC price, and that in turn actually created a market for said scrolls: the NPC reseller market. The clueless players who listed the scroll makes a sale, the reseller makes a profit, and people who actually need the scroll will eventually be able to purchase it inexpensively (if a scroll is listed above NPC price, it won't be that much more expensive or it won't sell).

Most, if not all, spell scrolls in high demand will sell well above the NPC price since players are willing to pay for them. For all the other scrolls, the NPC value actually creates a market for them and keeps them in stock and at a fairly low price (and usually at least one or two of those scrolls are listed above the NPC price). If SE slashes the NPC price, will players even bother listing scrolls that move slowly?

[SheKicksHigh]

I don't care if RMT can use it. ANYTHING a player can do so can RMT. Nerf everything? "RMT can use it" is not a good reason for nerfing anything. Just stop bringing up RMT.

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[Miitan]

I have a better idea.

How about they don't?

[lowkey]

Dear SE,

I've noticed people crafting, fishing, and farming to make gil. I find it very difficult to sit still for more than five minutes if I'm bored, and these activities really bore me, therefore it's clear anyone else who does them are bots and RMT. Please nerf this stuff right away. Also, if you need someone to take names while you are out of the room, please don't hesitate to ask me, and Kewit. We've got nothing better to do because strangely enough no one else wants to play the game with us.

May the seed of your loins be fruitful in the belly of your woman,
Lowkey

[Olor]

If SE slashes the NPC price, will players even bother listing scrolls that move slowly?

No, they will do what we do with blind and bind scrolls etc. Throw them out as soon as they drop.

[Nynja]

Dear SE,
People are selling items to NPC, fix it.

[Gennadi]

OMG OMG i just came up with a brand new concept:

buy low sell high!!!!

[thefinalrune]

I actually do this myself from time to time. Its not my fault some players choose to sell items on the AH for less than a NPC vendor will buy them. If you don't like it, don't sell below NPC price.

[Yarly]

I actually do this myself from time to time. Its not my fault some players choose to sell items on the AH for less than a NPC vendor will buy them. If you don't like it, don't sell below NPC price.

Then according to the OP you're clearly RMT. Hope you don't get banned for it.

[Raxiaz]

I thought this thread was about the opposite. I really don't think armors with +34 def is worth 50 000 gil from NPCs just because I need to wear it in a quest or something. If this NPC tried to sell it on AH, it would be worth 10 000 gil tops, but now he is a NPC and he can take any price he wants to. (Or rather SE randomly picks)

It is just silly that NPCs sells junk for obscene amounts of gil.

I'm with this side of the argument. Something that's 1000g on AH but 25000g from NPC is ridiculous.

[Zatias]

Just buy the item for a higher price than it NPCs for >.> helps crafters get their hands on ingredients they need in situations like this. Otherwise if people are stupid enough to put stuff on AH lower than NPC price, that's their own fault. AH transactions are legit; you can't just punish people who are smart enough to NPC stuff if it sells for more there.

And you can't blame RMT for stuff like this. Hell, NPCing items actually prevents a lot of people from buying gil... We all know how much it sucks to have a full AH and/or waiting for more stuff to sell for our money. What happens if you take that away?

[chubrocka]

Buy low and sell High is what we all do.....

[Coldbrand]

Seriously, what a stupid thread. Hint: If you don't buy stuff for higher than I'll get from an NPC, I'm NEVER going to put it up on the AH. I don't CARE about your craft or whatever. Stop being so stingy.

[Darwena]

They still RMT in FFXI?

[Sama]

This thread is lame; killing one or two individual's ways of making money won't make you any richer... get over it, there are people in rl picking up garbage and turn into cash and what you gonna do about it?

[Nynja]

This thread is lame; killing one or two individual's ways of making money won't make you any richer... get over it, there are people in rl picking up garbage and turn into cash and what you gonna do about it?

http://www.1800gotjunk.com/

sue these people! They actually charge YOU to take your stuff, and then they make even more money by attempting to sell it. What a heinous crime!

[BorkBorkBork]

I agree that something has to be done. I mean it's obviously ruining the game right?

[Ravenmore]

Nynja funny thing is tire stores Oil change place's all do the same thing. Selling used motor oil, discarded tires, paying for greese pick from restaurants. All those charge a disposal fee and turn around and sell it and make more money lol.

[Sparthos]

They still RMT in FFXI?

RMT teleport around the past harvesting stuff like Lesser Chigoes. Don't bother calling a GM cause they'll say the STF will deal with it.

Safe to say RMT will be RMT and SE doesn't really do much beyond the automatic system they set into place a while back.

[Kraggy]

Capitalism is a beautiful thing isn't it.
Actually it isn't, but that aside, I agree that this is not an 'exploit' or anything to get hysterical about. Yes, that player is clearly botting but since SE do little to nothing about AH bots (never have, never will) no point the OP getting upset, nothing will change.

[Monkeynutz]

I find it hard to believe that it's actually RMT rather than some player making money without much effort. Who would actually bother buying gil given that it's so ridiculously easy to come by, nevermind that at least for endgame there's almost nothing worthwhile that gil can buy? The bigger part of the problem with high NPC values is that the current economy is heavily inflated. Virtually all players should have a lot of gil by now, or at least what would have constituted a lot of gil a year ago or so. Like most everyone else I make a decent sum of money on whatever random crap I happen to find (mostly in gold chests) that NPCs just can't wait to buy from me. Aside form any crafting aspirations I might have there's not really anything to buy either because there's nothing purchasable that I'd want or there's no supply for the few items that can be purchased that I'd want.

[Alukat]

I'll be more than happy to buy stuff on the ah and npc it (and do) to turn a profit. Their loss is my gain, thats just simple economics (for idiots).

Unless of course you want people to buy all the items then re-sell them on the auction house for more (which is an actual RMT maneuver) then I see little reason to complain.

buy stuff at ah and npc it for a higher , buy stuff at ah and re-sell it for higher price at ah.
i can't see a difference in that, both make a profit by ppl selling stuff cheap and they re-sell it at a higher price.
oh wait i found one, the person who re-sells it at higher price at ah makes other ppl sell it high too.
so if u actually buy your stuff cheap and sell them higher for npc and now someone would buy them cheap too but sells them higher at ah to get the price over the npc price, then u would complain about not being able to buy cheap and npc them for profit anymore.

anyway many ppl maybe forget that many items are used in crafts for higher items.
so now if u take 10 items of x (named that it this way) for 2k out of the ah to sell them to npc for 2,1k each u made a 1k profit, right its not much.
here comes the BUT this item x is used for a higher item y which sells for 20k and it has a good demand.

now the crafters can get only the x for 5-10k (purchase price at npc,because u npc the cheap supply of ah) or has to farm it, now item y costs 20k.
now the crafters could get item x for 2k (if he is fast enough to buy them for crafting before u can do to buy them to npc) , now item can costs 15k.

i can't believe that ppl are still too stupid and still think that taking items out of supply line to npc them, doesn't effect the price / supply of other items.

[Karbuncle]

There are rarely any, if any at all, "High demand" Synthing items on the AH that are selling for less than their NPC price.

Items that sell less for their NPC prices are generally either massively over-stocked items (That even with people Buying > NPCing, Wont run out of stock), or Sh*tty items that sell so slow people really dont care what they put them on the AH for as long as it sells. (Why they dont NPC IDK).

Most people check AH price and put it up without bothering to check NPC price.

Either way, Doesn't matter if doing this is "taking out of supply line", This doesn't need some Divine SE intervention, what it needs is people to actually research wtf their selling and use their brains. If people want others to stop buying from AH and NPCing, Sell it for more than the NPC will buy it for.

Problem solved.

Outside of that, name me 1 Incredibly In demand Item that crafters SUPER SERIOUSLY GUYS need that is repeatedly bought off the AH and NPCd to the point theres never any in stock. Cause like i said


Items that sell less for their NPC prices are generally either massively over-stocked items (That even with people Buying > NPCing, Wont run out of stock), or Sh*tty items that sell so slow people really dont care what they put them on the AH for as long as it sells,

If an Item is really needed and really rare (Hint: Slow seller, but in demand) They're not going to be going for less than NPC price.

From what i can tell, The things the OP listed are all either terribly slow selling items, Or something thats in Medium-high demand someone probably put on the AH massively under-cutting in hopes of Selling it before the others in Stock.

Edit: And really, If this is a crafting complaint side, You guys don't want an easy fix, You want the NPC prices dropped so you can continue buying the items for really cheap, instead of doing the logical thing and buying the items for slightly more so the people who NPC them won't make a profit doing that anymore.