Reflect

[Glamdring]

This weekend is for USA players a 3 day holiday weekend. Generally, it's alot of fun with cook-outs, the opening of most Summer-type activities, alot of family gatherings and the like. But you should remember the holiday, too.

Monday is Memorial Day, so named because we honor all those who have fallen in battle while serving in our Military. Whether you agree or not with the war they served in, we should honor all those who have died in that service, and remember them.

Please, between all the fun you choose to have, take a moment to reflect on all those that this day is truly for.

[Alkalinehoe]

Not the place for it. Thread should get nuked.

[Myrrh]

I totally thought this was about the spell "Reflect"

[Tamoa]

I totally thought this was about the spell "Reflect"

So did I :/

[blowfin]

This weekend is for USA players a 3 day holiday weekend.

It was Victoria day here in BC last weekend. Pay some retroactive respect to a dead Queen and all she stands for! (mainly corgis, scones and tea)

[Gennadi]

All hail the queen, she is not dead. She was last seen with Elvis, Jimmy Hoffa and Osama at the local Pub in London

[Korpg]

Not everyone who plays this game is American. Not everyone who looks at this forum in the English language is American.

While its nice to show some support to our troops in America, this is not the place to do so.

[Arlan]

Not everyone who plays this game is American. Not everyone who looks at this forum in the English language is American.

While its nice to show some support to our troops in America, this is not the place to do so.

lol I have to agree....

[Runespider]

Why do Americans think the world revolves around them..

Also on topic, Reflect would be awesome...maybe

[Coldbrand]

Why do Americans think the world revolves around them..

Also on topic, Reflect would be awesome...maybe

Someone made a thread about a holiday in a forum, clearly all Americans think the world revolves around them.

[slakyak]

Reflect (the spell) they probably avoided it because of the exploit where you cast it on the party, then nuke the party for multiple times damage on the target!!

As for the OP, great sentiment, wrong forum.

[Harukusan]

If you're not American this thread was clearly not meant for you. Instead of bad mouthing Americans like you all usually do, you should have hit the "Back" button. Even though this is an FFXI forum, this subsection of the forum is called "General Discussion." Just leave the guy alone ffs and let him speak his mind. Honestly show SOME level of maturity.

[Glamdring]

If you're not American this thread was clearly not meant for you. Instead of bad mouthing Americans like you all usually do, you should have hit the "Back" button. Even though this is an FFXI forum, this subsection of the forum is called "General Discussion." Just leave the guy alone ffs and let him speak his mind. Honestly show SOME level of maturity.

thank you. this WAS intended for American consumption, not asking the Canadians, etc. to observe our Memorial day.

[Runespider]

If you're not American this thread was clearly not meant for you. Instead of bad mouthing Americans like you all usually do, you should have hit the "Back" button. Even though this is an FFXI forum, this subsection of the forum is called "General Discussion." Just leave the guy alone ffs and let him speak his mind. Honestly show SOME level of maturity.

Everyone hates america, even a lot of americans.

This is a general forum about FFXI, not a general general chat forum.

[Pikel]

Not so concerned with placement of forum or topic. But I too was miss led by topic name thinking this was about a spell suggestion. If this was intended for Americans and meant to exclude the rest of the world because nothing exists outside of your country the title could have more appropriately been named "Americans Reflect".

[Harukusan]

Americans hate the American government, not the country itself or the people who reside here. And other countries look at us through a political perspective, which brings false accusations that we as a country are uptight, greedy, self-centered jackasses. Quite honestly, the same can be said about, well, everyone in the world. It's not our fault everyone knows what we're doing, or that we may be the "center of attention" to some. It's obviously just more entertaining watching this country crumble little by little each year to the rest of the world.

Now Mister/Miss 400+ posts, please find something better to do than troll someone else's thread. I'm sure it'll be locked sooner or later anyway.

Edit: For the record I, too, thought that this was going to be about the spell "Reflect" lol. I just can't stand when people bash other countries for no apparent reason. If you seriously can't restrain yourself from making yourself look like an ass, just start your own thread elsewhere about it. Or better yet, just don't do anything at all and accept it as it is.

[Annahya]

Not the place for it. Thread should get nuked.

This is quite incorrect.


Not everyone who plays this game is American. Not everyone who looks at this forum in the English language is American.

While its nice to show some support to our troops in America, this is not the place to do so.

Nothing about decorum, internet or otherwise, states that it is inappropriate for a member of a country to remind people of the reason for a holiday. The OP mentioned it pretained to US players, and did not, in any way, imply that non-US players needed to heed anything that was stated. The wording could have been stronger in specifying, but if one reads the text with an open mind, it is obvious the OP was talking to other Americans.

Additionally, this thread is in the "General Discussion" area of the "Community" board. It is not in Gameplay, Bug-fixes, etc., it is in a place for the "Community" to have "General Discussion." As some of the players are from the US, and it is a holiday weekend in the US, there is nothing inappropriate about this.

It is not the best place to do it, but it is not wrong to do so here. SE wanted to build a place for the FFXI playerbase to keep in touch. This subject is no less relevant than people talking about any other here - a player wanted to say something to other players, who he/she feels a kinship with.


Why do Americans think the world revolves around them..

There is so much wrong with this statement, it is difficult to know where to begin. Generalizations like this are much more offensive than someone trying to talk about a given holiday. Frankly, this response is much more innapropriate in this community than the OP is being accused of.

Additionally, this is inaccurately used. If one took the postion that the OP was asking anyone to do anything even remotely akin to "revolving around the US," which is extreme hyperbole, it was only asked of other Americans.

I am not making this argument because I am American, or am I defending the OPs out of any bias. I would not have, personally, posted this here either. What I am making this post for, is because this criticism is unreasonable and unfair.

Also: {Reflect} spell, {Can I have it?}

[Zarabeth]

Nice post Glamdring. I guess the people bashing this thread are showing how UN-rude and UN-ignorant they are? It always amuses me how people bash Americans without really getting to know us. Stereotypes...sad.

[Harukusan]

Also: {Reflect} spell, {Can I have it?}

America casts Reflect.
Others' criticisms have no effect on you.

[Annahya]

This is a general forum about FFXI, not a general general chat forum.

Yes, the subject is supposed to be related to FFXI - and granted, the OP was stretching this a bit. The OP was referring to use of recreation time on a holiday weekend (as it is a 3 day weekend for many here in the US). As FFXI is a recreation that many US players may be choosing to take part in with their extra free time, it is related to FFXI in this way.

Basically, the OP could have been saying was "Hey US players, if you use this forum, it is likely you will be using the 3 day weekend to play FFXI. While doing so, please remember the reasons you get that extra day off."

Again, the wording could have been more specific, but it is related in that way.

[Runespider]

There is so much wrong with this statement, it is difficult to know where to begin. Generalizations like this are much more offensive than someone trying to talk about a given holiday. Frankly, this response is much more innapropriate in this community than the OP is being accused of.

How often do you get posters from other nations posting about their countries national holidays on non regional forums? How often do you see Americans doing it, all the time. Then they complain about free speech when it's deleted.


which brings false accusations that we as a country are uptight, greedy, self-centered jackasses.

America takes this and pushes upto a whole other level though, hatred for America is pretty universal everywhere you go in the world. I don't know of many first world countries that can commit horrible war crimes and get away with it and their population make so light of them.

[SheKicksHigh]

Why do Americans think the world revolves around them..

because it does, deal with it
although learning mandarin would be prudent at this point

[Harukusan]

How often do you get posters from other nations posting about their countries national holidays on non regional forums? How often do you see Americans doing it, all the time. Then they complain about free speech when it's deleted.



America takes this and pushes upto a whole other level though, hatred for America is pretty universal everywhere you go in the world. I don't know of many first world countries that can commit horrible war crimes and get away with it and their population make so light of them.

Clearly you have no idea what you're talking about. We never pushed any of our holidays onto you, it was you yourself who came and decided "I disagree with everything American and out of self-satisfaction and spite, will spew ignorant, stereotypical nonsense at them."

For the record, I think this was the first post anyone has made about any holiday. Do you think in Japanese, French, or German forums they aren't talking about any of their holidays? I doubt you'll see them arguing with each other about it. Our calendars are chalk full of Canadian and UK holidays, doesn't bother us. If you don't care enough about your own country to want to talk about your holidays then that is your problem. This specific thread wasn't designed to cater to your needs.

[Saefinn]

Perhaps this thread was here for Americans and people who aren't American but pay their respects to their holiday? Not every thread has to be inclusive of all those who discover it.

I suppose as soon as it's Christmas a misleading thread called "Don't Blink" will say, "because Santa's coming home for Christmas" people ought to start complaining about how not everybody on the forum is Christian.

This is brought to you by a dude who has never stepped foot in America and has the sense to realise that Americans aren't all that bad regardless of their public image and the many idiotic Americans who contribute to said public image. What society isn't made up of what is seemingly 75% moron? 75% of the world's population is made up of idiots.

[Harukusan]

Perhaps this thread was here for Americans and people who aren't American but pay their respects to their holiday? Not every thread has to be inclusive of all those who discover it.

I suppose as soon as it's Christmas a misleading thread called "Don't Blink" will say, "because Santa's coming home for Christmas" people ought to start complaining about how not everybody on the forum is Christian.

You don't have to be Christian to enjoy Christmas. You just need lots of money! And booze!

[Saefinn]

You don't have to be American to honour dead soldiers on an American holiday.


I'm an atheist who celebrates Christmas so I made the comparison bearing that in mind.


Also, I concur, the booze is essential.

[Harukusan]

You don't have to be American to honour dead soldiers on an American holiday.


I'm an atheist who celebrates Christmas so I made the comparison bearing that in mind.


Also, I concur, the booze is essential.

Precisely. You don't HAVE to be American to honor those who fought in countless wars, no matter how pointless they might be. Even if it is an American holiday, that gives you no right to criticize us for it. Many soldiers join the military because they have no alternatives to turn to, and are sacrificing themselves to do the deeds of our/their government, not by personal choice, but because they have to. It takes an ample amount of bitterness to be so disrespectful toward these people. And I'm not one to be easily offended, but it pisses me off when someone passes judgment toward Americans without first learning the FACTS about us, rather than blindly spreading their arrogance and hatred towards us.

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I, too, am an Atheist born in a Catholic family. I celebrate Christmas because it's a fun holiday that brings the family together. Get trashed, exchange gifts, have great feasts. And then you get to forget about them for the rest of the year! Honestly how awesome is that?

[Glamdring]

sorry I touched a nerve here. this was meant for US players. It was EXACTLY for what it seems, when you're logging in for whatever on Monday when you normally would be at work/school, or even doing something else, like celebrating your pool being opened for the year it might be nice to remember that you don't have the day off to celebrate THAT. You have it to honor all those who have died in the line of duty. Take a moment.

[Seyrena]

Either way, this thread is irrelevant and off-topic. You should not have made it solely based on that fact.

[Octaviane]

Have a Happy and safe Memorial Day America.

To those who are serving their countries in Iraq, Afghanistan and other war theaters around the world, regardless of Nationality, who can't spend the weekends or any time with family and friends or playing FFXI, thank you for your service /salute. I wish you a safe return home.

To the countless millions who have lost their lives in defense of their freedoms and to keep it intact for others, this:

"At the going down of the sun, and in the morning, we will remember you."

[Alkalinehoe]

We never pushed any of our holidays onto youThis specific thread wasn't designed to cater to your needs.
You're doing it now.


This specific thread wasn't designed to cater to your needs.
This entire forum wasn't built to cater to your holidays.

[Korpg]

Nothing about decorum, internet or otherwise, states that it is inappropriate for a member of a country to remind people of the reason for a holiday. The OP mentioned it pretained to US players, and did not, in any way, imply that non-US players needed to heed anything that was stated. The wording could have been stronger in specifying, but if one reads the text with an open mind, it is obvious the OP was talking to other Americans.

Additionally, this thread is in the "General Discussion" area of the "Community" board. It is not in Gameplay, Bug-fixes, etc., it is in a place for the "Community" to have "General Discussion." As some of the players are from the US, and it is a holiday weekend in the US, there is nothing inappropriate about this.

It is not the best place to do it, but it is not wrong to do so here. SE wanted to build a place for the FFXI playerbase to keep in touch. This subject is no less relevant than people talking about any other here - a player wanted to say something to other players, who he/she feels a kinship with.


While that might be true if this was yahoo.com or msn.com, since this is square-enix.com, which caters to a specific audience (aka people who play Square Enix games, with more specific emphasis on ffxi, as stated in the /ffxi part of the web address) this type of topic does not belong in this type of forum.

It would be like going to a french website and stating that Britain has been and always been the best country in the world, and give some reasons why Britain is good and France is bad. Almost the exact same reason.

[scaevola]

Either way, this thread is irrelevant and off-topic. You should not have made it solely based on that fact.

U.S. Memorial Day is Monday, and the OP had a point to make about it. How is that irrelevant? Irrelevant to you, maybe, but there will continue to exist a given country that observes a given holiday with or without your express approval. Why would your kneejerk reaction be to try to silence the OP, rather than try to understand and engage (if not necessarily agree), or failing that ignore?*

Also, by what standard can a General Discussion forum thread be judged "off-topic"? The OP had something to say to others here, so he or she said it in the most appropriate place he or she could find. What more would you ask, and on what authority would you ask it?



*as someone who's spent a good amount of time analyzing the existence of white privilege in the United States, this thread is utterly fascinating to me

(oh one other thing: the ship pretty much sailed on reflect when they put dancers in the game; sorry bros)

[thefinalrune]

I would love a reflect spell.

[Harukusan]

Once again. If a thread has no relevance to you, then just ignore it. You don't post in every single thread you see do you? You don't need to post here either. First of all, every one of your negative, childish responses is not only extremely offensive and completely ignorant, but also creates new stereotypes of your own. So now should all Americans come across someone from another country immediately believe that they are immature, uneducated, and completely self-centered? You wouldn't like that very much, would you?

I don't need to go on reading your badgering posts representing your kneejerk debates why you think this is irrelevant to the forum. You're making it relevant to yourself by taking part in this discussion, and I suggest you leave it to those who do care about the OP's topic at hand. It's not even a topic of discussion really... Just stay out.

[Saefinn]

Don't people have something better to do than spend all day bitching about the slightest little thing?

It's a thread on a forum for goodness sakes. The guy was doing what members of a forum community do in a General Discussion board. If you feel it really is that much of a deviation from SE's purposes and what this section of the forum is meant for, forward it to a moderator and let them deal with it.

And if you're so concerned with the way the forum is run and its purposes, then:


Since you cannot see each other on the forum, your words may be taken the wrong way or may have a negative emotional affect on others. Please try to maintain a polite manner and review your entry before you post.
Please show respect and consideration to other users. Users of this forum come from various backgrounds, where their ages, sex, occupations and residential areas differ.

[Coldbrand]

Everyone hates america, even a lot of americans.

This is a general forum about FFXI, not a general general chat forum.

Everyone hates America. Boy, you sure do sound intelligent and not at all bigoted and like a tool.

[Runespider]

Everyone hates America. Boy, you sure do sound intelligent and not at all bigoted and like a tool.

Maybe so, it's still pretty much true throughout the world though.

[Aldersyde]

Once again. If a thread has no relevance to you, then just ignore it. You don't post in every single thread you see do you? You don't need to post here either. First of all, every one of your negative, childish responses is not only extremely offensive and completely ignorant, but also creates new stereotypes of your own. So now should all Americans come across someone from another country immediately believe that they are immature, uneducated, and completely self-centered? You wouldn't like that very much, would you?

I don't need to go on reading your badgering posts representing your kneejerk debates why you think this is irrelevant to the forum. You're making it relevant to yourself by taking part in this discussion, and I suggest you leave it to those who do care about the OP's topic at hand. It's not even a topic of discussion really... Just stay out.

Lol, freedom of speech and opinion until people disagree with you right? People in other countries don't hate American freedom, they despise American hypocrisy.

[Coldbrand]

Maybe so, it's still pretty much true throughout the world though.

I can't wait until the day comes that there's enough interracial sex in America and enough time has passed that I can call you a racist.

[Meyi]

A shame that people despise innocent people because of some misconception. :/

This may not be the appropriate place for such a topic but none-the-less it could have been explained a little more gracefully. Korpg, I disagree with your example. To go to a forum based on one country and then to promote another country is not the same as expressing a reminder for a holiday of a country on a video game general discussion forum.

[RAIST]

always amuses me when people spout off how everyone hates a group that everyone turns to for help in a crisis....

how some will claim one certain group forces it's views on everyone else, while that accused group puts forth a concerted effort to honor, respect and celebrate others views (to the point of not just drafting law or policy, but making it part of their founding documents)--and then all those other groups will refuse to honor that one particular groups views in kind.

The vast majority of the world has benefitted from the death of soldiers in various alliances(not just American), often times strenghtened by a US presence--if not based primarily on it. As such, some of those allies actually do show respect for their allies (ie, non-US nations do honor US soldiers, and the US does honeor other nations soldiers) on their given holidays. So to just patently claim this is so heavily American-centric is not just misleading, but technically false.

Go back and read some world history......