Can we get a fishing skill up rate increase?

[Gilhaven]

Mainly for any Dev member that may be reading this but I know all fisher's out there would appreciate it.
Ive picked up my rod and took up fishing again after 5 yrs of neglect only to see the skill up rates seemed to be worse then when I stopped to being with.
Let's do the math...for ever cast you can get 1/5 options:
1)nothing
2)item
3)monster
4)wrong fish (either size/skill lvl)
5)target fish
So right there we only have a 20% chance of actually getting a chance for a skill up. Then once we DO get a target fish we have to fatigue it to land it and even then sometimes we "lack the skill" to land em. When we do land em it takes forever and a day to see even the slightest skill up. I'm getting maybe..MAYBE 1 lvl per day and that's with fishing for about 8 hrs constantly(keeping myself at about 3-4 lvl under the fish's lvl cap).
I like the fishing system as it is with the exception of the skill up rate. As a comparison I can take a craft from zero and level it to 20-30 in 8 hrs easily.

[Karbuncle]

I Don't wanna just jump on this, but yah...

I think i spent 4 hours Fishing Cheval Salmon one day, with 12 Skill level (Cap 20), and got maybe a total of 0.4 Skill ups. Caught around ~5 stacks of Cheval Salmon too. Basically, By the end of those 4 hours, I understood why Fishing Bots Exist.

My biggest gripe is the imposed Fishing cap of ~200 Fish was it? I think it was originally imposed due to Fishing Bots or RMT? Either way, I Think we should remove the cap, Or Double it, Especially considering how hit and miss Fishing can be.

So, Maybe raise the "Fish Cap" from 200 to ~300/400? I know i'll be getting a Pelican Ring ASAP though, that should help skill ups... I'll get two but it'll take nearly 8 Weeks to get both.

[Kari]

Skill-ups are definitely a bunch of bull.
It takes far to long to skill-up legitimately, not to mention the fishing mini-game isn't fun at all. [Just an annoyance added long ago for RMT, supposedly.]

The OP is a bit off on the whole idea, though.
You assume way too much.
Most places you skill-up at, you're targetting one or two fish, and nothing that isn't your skill level. Therefore, your #4 possibility should never exist unless you're fishing for profit and not skill.
Not to mention, even without that considered, it's not a 20% chance of getting what you want. This assumes that the chance of getting each option is completely random, but it's definitely not.

My suggestions, raise skill-up rate and/or make Fish Ranking weekly rather than 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off.
Along with that, any way to reduce the amount of no-catch casts would be neat.
I always thought that whole thing was stupid, isn't part of fishing to cast your line and wait? Why in the world am I casting it out every 10 seconds until I get a bite?

[Nynja]

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080115090028/ffxi/images/5/58/PelicanRing.png

[Karbuncle]

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080115090028/ffxi/images/5/58/PelicanRing.png



So, Maybe raise the "Fish Cap" from 200 to ~300/400? I know i'll be getting a Pelican Ring ASAP though, that should help skill ups... I'll get two but it'll take nearly 8 Weeks to get both.

Yah. Pelican ring helps a lot. I just wish they'd hold those events more often. IIRC, its once a month. (Well, 2 week Entry Period, 2 Week "Claim" Period). Maybe reducing it to twice a month? instead of 12 times a year >.>? The rewards aren't "that" Lavish, plus its a really fun event.

I like that Pelican rings even stack, That will speed things up.

Still wish they'd relieve the "Fishing Cap" of 200 fish though, Maybe increase it to 300?

[Corwin]

Pelican Ring is the item you'll need. You'll only need three at most for 0-100 fishing. And you can still receive skillups from LoS/Line snaps if the fish is fatigued completely. And as for wrong fish bites, in Nashmau Istridye are 95% bite rate with a rogue, and with shrimp for merc/ahtapots you split fairly evenly. Oh, and since its all in town there are no monster bites. I was able to get as much as five levels/day with Pelican in Nashmau, there is no reason why you cannot also do this.

[Corwin]

Also, if you're fishing for skillups, you're doing it wrong from the start.

[Karbuncle]

There is an Edit button. Quit spammin' yer post count for medals :P

Also, I've been looking into some of the Guides, Think I'll just go the Money route and get skill ups where i can.

[Alukat]

Pelican Ring is the item you'll need. You'll only need three at most for 0-100 fishing. And you can still receive skillups from LoS/Line snaps if the fish is fatigued completely. And as for wrong fish bites, in Nashmau Istridye are 95% bite rate with a rogue, and with shrimp for merc/ahtapots you split fairly evenly. Oh, and since its all in town there are no monster bites. I was able to get as much as five levels/day with Pelican in Nashmau, there is no reason why you cannot also do this.

i got my pelican ring a while ago.
i started to check the fish for the quest at ~ fishing 20 and they fish on contest mostly required level 80-100 fish (the fish changes every 4th week). unless u are lucky that they want gigant catfish und can just dream of the ring untill u hit fishing 40-50, exception is of course that someone else gets them for u.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

A skill increase would be nice. I asked around and found what was teh best guid that everyone used, now after two year, my fishinging skill is 26.

There is an Edit button. Quit spammin' yer post count for medals :PYeah! Leave that to the professionals!

[Corwin]

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/84574-Fishing-Guide-1-100

1 1/2 years old and still 99% relevant. I used this guide and was able to do 0-90 in under two months of reasonable fishing sessions. Oh, and made a profit of over 3M getting my Ebisu.

Edit: I made that second post because it is mportant enough to emphasize, and because medals for this forum means something.

[Karbuncle]

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/84574-Fishing-Guide-1-100

1 1/2 years old and still 99% relevant. I used this guide and was able to do 0-90 in under two months of reasonable fishing sessions. Oh, and made a profit of over 3M getting my Ebisu.

Edit: I made that second post because it is mportant enough to emphasize, and because medals for this forum means something.

Firstly, You and the other guy need a sense of humor. Medals are like Ala karma, worthless. it was a joke! FUNNY! HAHA SEE :D

Secondly, Good guide. was hoping there was a decent one still out there somewhere.

/spam

[Corwin]

If you think I'm ever serious then you've spent too much time on these forums, Krabnuckle.

[Karbuncle]

If you think I'm ever serious then you've spent too much time on these forums, Krabnuckle.

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Yah i have though.

[geekgirl101]

Started fishing, after 5 mins got 0.3 skill points in total, since then haven't gained a single skill point but caught several fish. Been fishing for a few hours now and still no points.

[Bumbeen]

Started fishing, after 5 mins got 0.3 skill points in total, since then haven't gained a single skill point but caught several fish. Been fishing for a few hours now and still no points.

Then you're catching fish that are too low.

I have leveled two characters from 0 to 100 fishing and BOTH of them got at least 4 levels a day sometimes 5 if lucky with pelican ring all the way up to around 85 where it slows significantly.

Fishing already skills up fast as hell, it needs no buff.

[Corwin]

Need more information. Rod, bait, location, what you're catching, if you're fishing on a 20+ job...

[Limecat]

Yeah, I wouldn't have even attempted to seriously skill my fishing without dual pelicans. Luckily virtually nobody on my server bothered with the contest anymore, so I could catch/buy anything and still land in the top 20.

By the way, anyone have any idea what the fishing ring enchantment icon is supposed to be? No matter how long I look at it, the closest I can come up with for a description is a diglett popping up out of a steak.

[Xyon]

I have recently noticed a slow down in skill ups and I'm only level 76 fishing, even with pelican ring, not to mention a higher rate of 'nothing bites' messages. Something about fishing feels borked up.

[Karbuncle]

Speaking of which, I'm assuming this is normal, But im 13+5 Skill, going for Nebo's (Thanks to that guide). about 75% of my casts are "You catch nothing".

But i assume this is normal, Guide says bite rates sucks until about ~15 (I figured 13+5 Should give me a bite rate above "sh*t tier"), But oh well.

I've at least caught 8 Nebo's, No skill ups yet. But i don't expect to get beyond 13 for at least 8 months at this rate.

Or until i get my Pelican ring ;o

[Bumbeen]

Speaking of which, I'm assuming this is normal, But im 13+5 Skill, going for Nebo's (Thanks to that guide). about 75% of my casts are "You catch nothing".

But i assume this is normal, Guide says bite rates sucks until about ~15 (I figured 13+5 Should give me a bite rate above "sh*t tier"), But oh well.

I've at least caught 8 Nebo's, No skill ups yet. But i don't expect to get beyond 13 for at least 8 months at this rate.

Or until i get my Pelican ring ;o

Pelican ring will help tremendously...... I just took a new character from lv0 fishing to lv7 today with pelican. I am honestly extremely surprised to see that much skill in 200 fish. I also don't expect it to last more than another 10 levels or so.

[Myokoji]

Totally agree,
I was bored to tears fishing last night and didn't get a single level up. Must've been doing it for a couple of hours >.<;; Baaaad luck!!

[Hoshi]

Speaking of which, I'm assuming this is normal, But im 13+5 Skill, going for Nebo's (Thanks to that guide). about 75% of my casts are "You catch nothing".

But i assume this is normal, Guide says bite rates sucks until about ~15 (I figured 13+5 Should give me a bite rate above "sh*t tier"), But oh well.

I've at least caught 8 Nebo's, No skill ups yet. But i don't expect to get beyond 13 for at least 8 months at this rate.

Or until i get my Pelican ring ;o


I spent about 2 months farming nebs and nobles the year of the christmas inflation (1 mil dark staves anyone?) because they seemed like crazy good gil back then. I honestly don't remember what level fishing I had when I started that farm (I remember catching random fish in port windy and then cobalt jellies in kazham before I started ferry fishing) but I don't think my fishing skill was much past 15 for the start of ferry fishing. During those two months I got my fishing to 34 that way. It was decent for aiming to make gil instead of aiming for the skillups but still pretty slow going. It'd be awesome if they made it easier to skill up fishing but I'm also ok with the system as is... it's a lot of work but it's doable and there are some decent money makers on the way.

[Bumbeen]

I think I'll keep this thread updated with my fishing progress. Was lv0 yesterday, lv7 last night, all done with single pelican.

Today I am aiming for level 11 or 12.

[Bumbeen]

Another big surprise. Level 7 to level 15 today. 2 days from 0 to 15 is pretty awsm!

[Bumbeen]

15>24 today..... Surprised not slowed down.

[Rafien]

^ Where are you fishing, what bait are you using and what rod are you using?

I've been fishing in Basty with worms / insect balls for moat carps and fished for 12 hours. Started at 4 and ended at 4. Not even a tenth of a point gained :( I fished up 8 stacks of moat Carp 4 stacks of Tricolored. I must be doing something wrong.

[Bumbeen]

Nashmau, Lu Shang Rod, Robber Rig. Catches Istiridye but I am gonna try out shrimp lure today for ahtapot and mercanbaligi. Also 1 pelican ring.

[Karbuncle]

Been catching Nebimonite myself.

I think from 13 > 15 (Skill level) I've caught about 15 Stacks of Nebimonite over the last few days. So while i've made like 200k from Nebi, I've always only gone up 2 skill levels. Not bad incoming though...

[Bumbeen]

Karbuncle you can dbox pelican ring. So you can win a 2nd one on a mule and have two for your main from a single fish rank contest.

24>31 today......

[Bumbeen]

31>37 today. I think they must have buffed fishing skillups since last I did it......

One of the big things I think is to fish the highest level fish you can. On ps2 it's much easier than pc also....

[Urat]

I say it over and over, and I will say it again.

Never ever fish for skillups. Fish for profit and let the skillups come as neat little bonuses every now and then. It's much nicer to look at all the profit you made and the .2 or .3 of a level you got too, vs how you barely got half a level up, oh yeah and made some money...

[Bumbeen]

Well...... You can fish lu shang npc money fish starting around level 30 so they are one in the same, seeing as how you can get level 30 in about 4 days...

[Bumbeen]

37>41 today.. I'm not seeing any problem with the fishing skillupp rate.

[Bumbeen]

41>45 today

that should be enough to say it's user error if you aren't getting fishing skillups.

[Bumbeen]

Fished yesterday and today without pelican. Got 4 levels. Pelican probably gives another chance for skillup is all, since normally you'd get 8 levels in 2 days.

[Corwin]

Pelican doesn't "probably", it DOES give you an extra chance at a skillup. That's why when using the ring you can get a double skillup on one fish.

[Karbuncle]

Yah pelican is a hot item, I'm hoping I get two this time around...

[Bumbeen]

Pelican doesn't "probably", it DOES give you an extra chance at a skillup. That's why when using the ring you can get a double skillup on one fish.

I was stating "specifically" that it probably gives "one" extra chance. With all the people crying about fishing skillups, and me getting 4+ levels a day every day with pelican, I had thought that perhaps without pelican ring maybe you only get .5 levels per 200 fish. Meaning pelican would give much more than just an extra chance per catch. But in fact, I am getting exactly 1/2 of what is expected with pelican when fishing without it.

So without pelican ring then, it will take you under 40 days to get to level 85. Possibly under a month.

[Bumbeen]

Level 83 as of yesterday. So 22 days from lv0 to lv83. Had pelican the whole time. I didn't even fish to cap every day.

[Rafien]

Alright, for over 2 week, I've been trying to get a pelican ring, no go.. Getting the rod is damn near impossible if you're starting out. I've limited myself to using 6 stacks of Insect balls and 6 stacks of worms a day to find a happy medium to skilling.

So far I'm at 6. Last week I was at 4. This needs adjusted.. Catching items should still be considered a catch.

[DebbieGibson]

I agree you're in a tough situation. Don't bother trying to skillup without pelican ring and also without a lu, just fish for profit til you get pelican or lu shang. Fishing without either of them will be tough.

Just stop leveling drk and level something that will be useful and make you gil in abyssea. Then you can use your cruor converted to gil to buy lu shang.

[Rafien]

So basically because I don't want to be gimped and level in Aby, though I don't have the expansions, I'm screwed. Also, because I leveled DRK instead of something like Thief/Nin I'm screwed.

How can a new player that wants to start playing and level fishing up, as they play, do this?

Fishing is a very great skill to start with because you can buy a rod for 1K and buy worms for 3gil they can fish and the amount of money out is based upon the amount of time you put in. The perfect new player skill. Skills like Goldsmithing and Woodworking and all the other skills are tough also because you must travel from many cities to level and obtain items and even that is extremely expensive.

Fishing needs to be a low level skill, skilling up needs to be enhanced and not by items, don't require the Lu Shang rod or pelican rings, those should be for the serious hardcore fishers and/or upper level fishing when you get to 60 and can pull in a couple thousand gil a day.

[DebbieGibson]

If you're determined to fish without lu and without pelican. Best thing to do is to fish nebimonites in SSG.

[Rafien]

Therein lies the problem, you shouldn't need to have a lu and pelican to fish, at level 1 that is damn near impossible. You don't need a million Gil crystal to cook or goldsmith. You shouldn't need a million Gil fishing rod.

Again, what level 5 player that wants to start fishing is going to SSG?

SE needs to increase the fishing skill ups.

[Bumbeen]

Um no. A level 5 player can't fish at all anyway.

83 levels in 22 days does not need an increase.

If you're too lazy to make the gil for lu shang then you don't deserve fishing skillups. If you just want to fish with weaker rods, then you're by definition fishing casually.

[Rafien]

Decided I'm going to fish for the Lu Shang rod, somehow 5 Million is a bit much to try to find a way to make ... (How do you make 5 Million Gil?)

So, of the three days I have fished 8 hours in I have 9 stacks down 825 stacks left. This seems a bit unreasonable. I work a 8-5 Job so in reality I leave at 7 Am and get back after 6. After caring for the dogs and cooking dinner that is 8 before I can get on, that leaves 3 hours tops for playing if I decide that is what I want to do the rest of my day.

So, lets say 2.5 minutes per moat (probably faster but lets say, no catch, monster, junk and so forth included). Thats 2 stacks of moat carp an hour; 412.5 hours of fishing to get the stacks I need. That leaves me at 137.5 days of fishing 3 hours a day to get to where I need to be at.

This is fine and dandy if while you were fishing you were getting skill ups and everything and I wouldn't mind a third of a year working for an object that is suppose to be the next thing to God on the game. But doesn't Moat Carps cap at 11 or so?

So, back to the original post. Fishing skill ups need changed, requiring a Lu Shang Rod and Pelican rings for skill ups is a horrid idea.

[Bumbeen]

Fishing only needs an increase if you're doing it wrong.

Doing it right:
halcyon rod+robber rig in nashmau.
halcyon rod+shrimp lure in ssg.
lu shang+shrimp lure in nashmau.
lu shang+shrimp lure in talacca cove.

doing it wrong:
fishing anywhere but nashmau or ssg under level 27
fishing anywhere but nashmau between level 27 and 50
fishing anywhere but talacca cove/nashmau between levels 50 and 90

[Rafien]

Well, I took Bumbeen's suggestion. Grabbed are Robber rig and teleported to WG and hopped the ship to Nashmau after getting there I started fishing.. Started at 7, after fishing up Istiridyes and 3 hours later. Not a single skill point. Hmmm.. Interesting, at least moat carps I could get a tenth of a skill point in about 4 stacks.

Moat Carp sell for 10K a stack.
Istiridye Sells at 5K a stack, and it doesn't sell.

So, now I'm not only at a place that every attempt to catch something is "Fairly certain you don't have the skill to catch", I'm not getting any level ups and the fish I am catching, don't sell.

Well, that was, worthless.

Here is the setup - Halcyon Rod and Robber Rig in Nashmau.

Maybe you should join me one of these days and walk me through my failure. I'm 15 days in at 3 hours fishing and at level 7. Enough said, this needs changed.

[Rafien]

Spent another hour here, and as I'm typing this, I'm warping out.. 4 hours fishing with not even a tenth of a skill gain is a joke!

[Alienmonkey]

How many istiridye did you catch?

[Rafien]

Little less than 5 stacks.

[katz]

Maze Voucher 08 - Aquatic Depopulation Team MMM is well worth doing on a daily basis if you dont have the fishing rings. Look for the player saved mazes for the best maze. Fish it til you get the charts or the rings. It will help you have better gear which may help fishing skill.