Abyssea is awesome, the cap is fine

[Olor]

So, I am only level 68, but I've gotten my first zone boss kill and my first two atma (although I only have one lunar so far) - Razed Ruins and Minnekin Monstrosity - and I have to say, I love Abyssea.

I love the fact that I can tell someone shouting the truth about how useless I will be to the party (Hey man, I'm useless but getting this Atma will ensure I am less useless in the future!) and I still get invites. Is that a weird thing to say? But it is cool to do content where someone can help you without inconveniencing themselves.

The level cap is fine. Realistically, almost no one is in there at 30, and if they are, it is because they are paying through the nose - or their friend is letting them in because they switch back and forth between leeching/cleaving or whatever. Also, having it at 30 lets new players get stones accumulating so that when they do get to the level where they can do Abyssea they aren't having to wait for a few months to have enough stones to do anything.

I already have like 90 stones, so I can do things without worrying about TEs (for now). It is pretty great and goals are achieved pretty quickly. I dig it.

I don't get what people are complaining about... I really don't. I think it is great that SE has created content that makes it easier for players to help each other out.

[Karbuncle]

They're thinking "Hey, I had to go through years of *** slow exp, So should new people!" They'll use tired excuses like "Burning doesn't let you learn you job!" which was proven BS back when they cried about Astral-burning. Basically the end result was "Stupid people will be stupid at level cap, Exp or Burn, Smart people will be smart at level cap, Exp or burned".

Theres a lot of Illogical scape-goat arguments, But really they're just upset that their Dominatrix-Broom-rape Old-School FFXI is gone and the new FFXI is more accessible and easier for new players, and old players, to pick up and enjoy.

best solution, Don't try to understand their logic. They simply want to force their beliefs and views on "right and wrong' down everyones throat. They're best ignored. They don't care if you have fun playing the game in abyssea, they just hate you and want you to be forced to play the same way they did.

Play the game how you enjoy it the most. Until they start paying your monthly fee, their opinion is worthless. as a turnabout, So is mine, cause i Ain't payin your 12.95! Play how you waaaaaaaaaaaant~

[Korpg]

Thank you very much for this thread.

Before Aku and his team comes in and messes this up though.

[Olor]

Well until I figured out how easy it is for a newer player to get in on Abyssea, I was not sure how I felt about it. Then after a failed party last Friday night I decided I was gonna get a zone boss kill. So I zoned into La Theine [A], ran to the Briarius spawn, and asked in say "can I get a zone kill?" and was invited almost instantly. Took me less than 15 minutes to get a zone kill and my first lunar.

I guess some people would think that sucks or whatever - but wow! It is great that the content is so accessible. After spending 5 hours trying to get my LS mates to party with me in the outside world it was a great relief to get SOMETHING accomplished on my Friday night.

Bollucks to the complainers and the judgers.

I then hung out in Jeuno and waited for a shout for a good atma - and jumped on board as soon as someone yelled for MM.

Then this week I leveled up whm for a sub so that at least I can cure and get rid of status ailments even if I am not super duper useful otherwise.

It's just amazing to feel like - oh wow, I can actually get myself to a place where I can participate in this content without spending a year grinding. WOOOO.

Ok. Sorry, just needed to say that cause yeah, it is awesome.

[Olor]

They're thinking "Hey, I had to go through years of broom-rape slow exp, So should new people!"

Also, lol at broom-rape. As someone whose first char (just before PS2 NA release) never got past 25 after 2 or more months of playing... I remember that, but not fondly. I would have never returned for that kind of bullcrap.

[Zaknafein]

Anyone in need of a good Brooming come see me

[scaevola]

Somebody on BlueGartr put it really well when they said that there are people who've been playing on and off for 7 years who, thanks to Abyssea, only just now for the first time are seeing rare/ex gear show up in their Treasure Pools. And that is pretty awesome.

[Olor]

Yeah, well and I think it is good for the playerbase as a whole because I don't think it is unreasonable to suppose that a lot of those players who didn't have those rare/ex goodies weren't bad at playing - they just didn't have the ability to play XI like a job (for whatever reason).

Now a lot can be accomplished by people with less time, and even the semi-hardcore people can benefit from the scrubs of yesteryear being in better gears - the super hardcore never need to play with scrubs, I am sure - but some on the line might. Why wouldn't you want to see the playerbase in better gears?

Also it is fun to actually have a chance to get decently geared.

[Komori]

I have never played to be top-tier, I have never played to beat a certain monster or to prove something. I play the game for mere fun and to make cool friends. And I'm slowly progressing into having pretty neat gear for someone who (while I had alot of time) was casual in the sense that I did not feel like spending six hours at an event to *maybe* get one item. I just finished my BLU AF hands in about one 30 minute swing. And it's great, ecspecially since my linkshell is getting into BLU burns.

People need to stop complaining, unless you start dedicating your paychecks to everyone who "opposes" you, subscription. Go and player another game and gtfo. I'm someone who is always happy to help and have even made a linkshell to help new members. I'm game to play both inside abyssea and out. I'm not sure why so many people oppose "new game", besides the fact that they want everything to stay as it was back at 75 cap. Which was nothing but "grudingly slow".

[Soundwave]

Somebody on BlueGartr put it really well when they said that there are people who've been playing on and off for 7 years who, thanks to Abyssea, only just now for the first time are seeing rare/ex gear show up in their Treasure Pools. And that is pretty awesome.

So true

Along with that...HNMLS over 30+ people and you camp kings etc and get maybe 1-2 great pieces of gear to see the loot **** get them, The rewards for so few people of many as they clap for the ones who get gear and hope one day they will get something soon.

Abyssea really helps speeds up the rewards for everybody, and I'm thankful for that.

[Sesh]

Before Aby came out I was pretty much done with the game. I had gotten everything I wanted from HNMs, I was in a somewhat dying ZNM shell and really I was tired of living my game life on a linkshells timeline. There really wasn't all that much you could duo in the game at that point which is what I really wanted to do. Alas you needed at least a group of 6 for many of the events available that were fun at 75. If you tried events with less, most of the time it became more irritating than fun.

Then Abyssea arrived.

Once things started to get under control, and the player base had learned the secrets etc of aby. To me it rejuvenated FFXI for me. It gave me a chance to get out of the linkshell life and just party with friends, doing things on my own timeline again. You're right when you talk about people being able to accomplish goals together again in a more positive and friendly way. That's why I'm still playing the game after nearly 8 years, I'm still able to log on and have fun.

As far as the anti-Aby brigade Karbuncle is wholly correct. They are the opposite of me, they are the ones that log on every day and see some keyer shout, and try to start a shout war flaming them. They take no joy in the game anymore because they can't accept that things change, and they never will.

It's good though that you started to get into the Aby scene a lil bit now Olor. I saw your posts the other night kind of talking/asking about it. It's pretty fun eh?

[Olor]

It's good though that you started to get into the Aby scene a lil bit now Olor. I saw your posts the other night kind of talking/asking about it. It's pretty fun eh?

It's great! I like the fact that I can actually help a little bit with my piddly subbed Cure IIIs. It isn't much but with MM my MP never runs out. At least I can do some raises and status cures, though.

I think the "feeling" of it is what gets me the most. No one would have ever let me tag along in old skool endgame... but now I can participate and slowly build up myself so that when the time comes I can be an asset to a party.

[Seyrena]

Theres a lot of Illogical scape-goat arguments, But really they're just upset that their Dominatrix-Broom-rape Old-School FFXI is gone and the new FFXI is more accessible and easier for new players, and old players, to pick up and enjoy.What really gets me is that this attitude persists even despite elements of FFXI which are still Dominatrix Broom Rape Old School FFXI, like the reputation grind, the acquirability of certain crucial spells and their resulting AH prices (Hello, Phalanx!), and the absolute scarcity of information within the user interface that comes standard fare in other MMOs, like remaining buff times, cooldowns, etc., and how damned tedious it still is to get anywhere.

It's like these people are running off a cliff, screaming "HA, YOU'RE SMALLTIME, CLIFF! DON'T WANT TO JUMP? YOU LAZY CASUALS! I'M A HARDCORE PLAYER! THIS CONCRETE THAT I JUST DASHED MY BODY TO PIECES ON IS TOO SOFT! CLIFFS ARE FOR CASUALS, TRY JUMPING OUT OF A PLANE ONTO BROKEN GLASS!"

And this is their fondest wish: http://i.imgur.com/Eb093.jpg

[Arlan]

^^ Ya, Abyssea contents is what made me stay in ffxi longer.
I was just about it quit too.

[Olor]

And this is their fondest wish: http://i.imgur.com/Eb093.jpg

So awesome.

That said, at least on the forums here, it doesn't seem that the abyssea haters are hardcore, par se, but more like masochists who are mad everyone else doesn't have to be a masochist to play

[Arlan]

So awesome.

That said, at least on the forums here, it doesn't seem that the abyssea haters are hardcore, par se, but more like masochists who are mad everyone else doesn't have to be a masochist to play

So true lol.
Hardcore Elite Player: "You have to play and suffer the same way I have in order to be considered a decent player at your job,"

Normal Player: "Excuse me?"

[Greatguardian]

So true lol.
Hardcore Elite Player: "You have to play and suffer the same way I have in order to be considered a decent player at your job,"

Normal Player: "Excuse me?"

On the contrary, nearly all of the hardcore players that post here are either firmly pro-Abyssea or at least tolerant of Abyssea. Pretty much the only vocal example to the contrary is Anewie, and she has her own reasons for disliking certain changes Abyssea made to the game.

The people making these huge threads demanding that Abyssea be done away with are Casual players and "Dynamis Linkshell"-type "Endgame" players. When you figure out how/why that makes any sort of sense, you come let me know. I wish I knew.

Edit: My best guess? Real Elite Hardcore players have already had their time in the sun. They've been able to say "Yeah, we're the best." for years now. Casual players who may have aspired to that are now faced with the reality that the current state of FFXI Endgame is nothing to brag about (it never really was, but good luck telling them that). With the loss of old-FFXI, they lost the ability to have the bragging rights that others have "had" for years. Instead of dreaming about one day being able to say "I'm the best", the game community is telling them "No, nothing you can do is impressive now."

[Khajit]

So true lol.
Hardcore Elite Player: "You have to play and suffer the same way I have in order to be considered a decent player at your job,"

Normal Player: "Excuse me?"

Hardcore players HATED the way XI was going pre abyssea and generally were more likely to quit than most groups of people I've seen. Many of the "hardcore" Bg posters you see would say stuff like "I've not logged in in x months" or " I only log in for events now" or " I've not played in a while, I should just cancel my subscription". Abyssea has turned that trend around.

[Olor]

On the contrary, nearly all of the hardcore players that post here are either firmly pro-Abyssea or at least tolerant of Abyssea.

This is what I was trying to say. Thanks for saying it in a much clearer, more intelligible way.

[Meyi]

All I can say is, +1 to this thread.

[Seriha]

I'll just say if the game had been progressing the way it was after ACP/MKD/ASA, I more than likely wouldn't be playing now. Abyssea's not perfect and could still use some tweaks (namely all ???s having multiple instances with timed pops either being more frequent or changed to pops), but fudging with the level cap is not and never should be among those needs. The way atmas and abyssites get distributed was a step in the right direction for rewarding everyone for a fight where otherwise one or two people tend to walk away with something. Alliance EXP shook up the rigid structure of 6-mans and previously excluded jobs can now get in on the pie without being a detriment. I know I've seen far more people come back to the game because of Abyssea's improvements than those who have left hating its direction, and of those who have quit, it's often more for RL reasons.

[Arlan]

All tho, now a days, you can still live RL and not have to give your Life to the game.
So I see more coming than going.

[Komori]

The only problem I could ever seen with the new stuff is new people gathering stones and older areas being barren. I'm having to lead my boyfriend who just started the game pretty much alone. Since he can't just be picked up for parties and get things explained to him instead like I did to learn the game. This and he doesn't yet have most of the expansions, only Zilart and CoP.

[Lynchilles]

Great thread. Good supporting posts.

I agree things were getting stale pre-Abyssea. Abyssea offers advantages to new players and older players alike.

[Luvbunny]

Love Abyssea stuffs! Keep it up SE, more of these please!! Also if you could tweak the first two abyssea contents to be similar to the Heroes area when it comes to zone boss, 1 Key Items please. Faster timer on timed NM. In general, more of these sweet abyssea stuffs, and extend it outside abyssea if you could. More more more please!

[Starcade]

If it's that good, why not just make the entire game Abyssea?

(Hint: Because it's not.)

[Arlan]

Yes! More abyssea style contents would kick ass! =)

[Starcade]

Why not just let it subsume the rest of the content, as it has basically subsumed the rest of the gameplay?

Almost as if it were FFXI: Cataclysm...

[Juri_Licious]

So pretty much, you make a game a lot, lot easier and it appeals to a wider audience.

[Myrrh]

Anyone who parties in Abyssea is a cheater. Exp should be earned the old school 6 man party way. SE will nerf Abyssea because of such soon. Just you wait.

[MarkovChain]

They're thinking "Hey, I had to go through years of broom-rape slow exp, So should new people!"

No old school people care about exp speed. There are only 3 jobs that don't suck right now, as opposed to 6 at 75. You never need exp unless you start from scratch.

[Panthera]

@ Olor

Is it your position that Abyssea should remain exactly what it is? with an entry level of 30.
That's what your thread title contends, anyway.

Why 30, then, and not level 20? or 40 or 50?

Why not level 1?

Your arguement is that it's at level 30 because it benefits the player. How does it to that at level 30, and not some other level?

[Korpg]

@ Olor

Is it your position that Abyssea should remain exactly what it is? with an entry level of 30.
That's what your thread title contends, anyway.

Why 30, then, and not level 20? or 40 or 50?

Why not level 1?

Your arguement is that it's at level 30 because it benefits the player. How does it to that at level 30, and not some other level?

How about this:

For the exact same reason you can't get any "advanced" jobs unlocked until you have at least one job at level 30.

But you want to know why they chose level 30? Ok, I'll tell you the exact reason.

You remember when Abyssea was first released, the level cap also increased to 80? How the sublevel of that exact date was at level 37? SE gave us an excuse to level our subs quickly there. They knew that there is going to need to be a keymaster to open chests, because they made it very possible for people to be able to have low-number parties, like a party of 3 people. The exp mobs there are super easy, most anyone can solo one. But if you get 3 compentent people together, you can kill very quickly. 2 DDs, a healer, and you have 3 extra spaces left in the party, so you can have somebody who just wants to level their subjob to ~50 as a keyer, they even let us buy keys from NPC with cruor.

Except then we started having exp alliances. We still needed a keyer, but mobs were dying so fast that we needed at least 2 keyers. After people found out how easy it became to exp in Abyssea, they decided to be lazy and go afk for extended periods of time. Most people wouldn't notice an afk person for at least 20 minutes, because that did not slow down the kill speed at all, unless half of your alliance is afk. But thats beside the point.

The point is, SE intended for somebody to be a keyer. They didn't want that "job" to be for the capped job, so they opened this up to level 30s (also because 30 is such a round number compared to 35 or 37) to do that and be productive. Which they have. Without them, we wouldn't be able to see 200k per hour cruor parties and/or 400k per hour exp parties.

If you don't like the way SE is doing this, why don't you, you know, not do it? Don't join any exp alliances, or make your own exp alliance and key yourself. Which you would be doing exactly the same thing a level 30 could do, but you are leeching yourself.

[Meyi]

Or better yet just don't drag that pointless drivvel into this topic. It's not about what you think is cheating Panthera, so don't even start.

[scaevola]

@ Olor

Is it your position that Abyssea should remain exactly what it is? with an entry level of 30.
That's what your thread title contends, anyway.

Why 30, then, and not level 20? or 40 or 50?

Why not level 1?

Your arguement is that it's at level 30 because it benefits the player. How does it to that at level 30, and not some other level?


Yes, why not level 1?

SE wanted low level people to be able to get in to Abyssea. They arbitrarily set up a barrier at level 30 and have not proffered a reason for it, but if I had to speculate it would be because they had the foresight to realize that making an alliance with one tricked out 90 and 17 level 1 mules would be a pretty great way to RMT, provided you could get an Abyssea addon for them on the cheap.

At any rate, I believe is a more or less arbitrary number, and like most arbitrary decisions the best reason for not changing it is that another choice wouldn't be any less arbitrary.

EDIT: Thinking on it a bit more, eliminating the level barrier probably wouldn't cause an upswing in RMT activity through Abyssea simply because Abyssea itself is pretty RMT-unfriendly. Traverser stones may not be much of an issue to somebody who's been in Abyssea for a year but they're pretty rough for a player whose M.O. is "make new account, play nonstop 24/7 focusing on one moneymaking activity to the exclusion of all else until said account is caught and banned".


If it's that good, why not just make the entire game Abyssea?





Too expensive and time-consuming to retrofit the entire game when you could just make new content utilizing the lessons learned.

Oh, that question was rhetorical. That's right, you're that guy who fears change in a video game.

[Panthera]

Or better yet just don't drag that pointless drivvel into this topic. It's not about what you think is cheating Panthera, so don't even start.
Or you would do what? Actually it is very much about what I think, just as much as it is about what you think. It's a forum, and we each have a right to express our opinion. And if you'll notice, I'm encouraging someone with an opposing position to speak their point and clarify their position, because I am unafraid that he may indeed have a valid point. I"m trying to further the discussion rather than halt it. You would do well to do the same, for the sake of your own cause.

The OP has said that the cap is fine where it is because it benefits the player. This could be said of any level. So why level 30? What is a level 30 doing that a level 1 cannot? Why is level 30 "just right" as an entry level for an area that SE is designed for about 75 and up? Would the OP support lowering the cap even farther? I would like to hear his thoughts on this.

[scaevola]

The OP has said that the cap is fine where it is because it benefits the player. This could be said of any level. So why level 30? What is a level 30 doing that a level 1 cannot? Why is level 30 "just right" as an entry level for an area that SE is designed for about 75 and up? Would the OP support lowering the cap even farther? I would like to hear his thoughts on this.

You are asking questions about trivial details for which you know there is no satisfactory answer, so that you may declare victory when such answers fail to emerge, despite the fact that the question is irrelevant to the substance of the point you're trying to debunk (that low-level people being in Abyssea is perfectly fine).

Should people incapable of "contributing" (you refuse to acknowledge chest-opening as "contributing") due to their level be allowed entry to Abyssea? This is a binary question. Whether the barrier is 30 or 20 or 50 or 1 is irrelevant, because a level 50 (though healers may be the exception) isn't in that much of a better position to contribute than a level 1.

We can safely assume 30 was an arbitrary decision and forget about it.

[Korpg]

Or you would do what? Actually it is very much about what I think, just as much as it is about what you think. It's a forum, and we each have a right to express our opinion. And if you'll notice, I'm encouraging someone with an opposing position to speak their point and clarify their position, because I am unafraid that he may indeed have a valid point. I"m trying to further the discussion rather than halt it. You would do well to do the same, for the sake of your own cause.

The OP has said that the cap is fine where it is because it benefits the player. This could be said of any level. So why level 30? What is a level 30 doing that a level 1 cannot? Why is level 30 "just right" as an entry level for an area that SE is designed for about 75 and up? Would the OP support lowering the cap even farther? I would like to hear his thoughts on this.

You have already been proven wrong in that other thread. Abyssea is not cheating, neither is being there at level 30 doing something useful to the exp alliance. This thread was created as a direct response towards you and Akujima in hopes that SE doesn't think that the number of threads made against something means that there are people who are truly against that idea.

Here is to hoping that the devs don't skim over titles of topics and actually spend some time reading the hottest topics on this forum.

[Starcade]

Yes, why not level 1?


Why not just let everybody start at level 90 then?

I guess that would explain the following attitude...


Too expensive and time-consuming to retrofit the entire game when you could just make new content utilizing the lessons learned.

Oh, that question was rhetorical. That's right, you're that guy who fears change in a video game.

I fear change brought on by cheating, exploiting, and ripping off said game.

But the problem with your statement is that they just did that kind of retrofit to one of the major game mechanics (Dynamis).

The question was *NOT* rhetorical, by the way.

[Korpg]

I fear change brought on by cheating, exploiting, and ripping off said game.

But the problem with your statement is that they just did that kind of retrofit to one of the major game mechanics (Dynamis).

The question was *NOT* rhetorical, by the way.

Why are you still on your whole high horse attitude about everyone but you is a cheater.

Explain to me why you think I'm a cheater, since you have accused everyone in this game of being a cheater, and since I'm in that group of everyone, I must be a cheater in your eyes.

Was it because I can solo my gear from NMs in Abyssea?
Or that I have friends who help me with +2 items and emp weapons?
Or that I'm not a narcissistic fool who thinks this game was made to be cheated on?

Plus, I lost that link to your blog. Post it again please, I need a good laugh.

[scaevola]

I fear change brought on by cheating, exploiting, and ripping off said game.

But the problem with your statement is that they just did that kind of retrofit to one of the major game mechanics (Dynamis).

The question was *NOT* rhetorical, by the way.

In that case, the Dynamis retrofit was almost completely based on elements introduced by Abyssea and Voidwatch is pretty much the same thing, so if your question isn't rhetorical it's moot, because changing the entire game to Abyssea is exactly what they're doing~

I don't think they should, but that is, again, because I think rehashing old content is boring and I would rather see Abyssea's gameplay/design improvements applied to something entirely new. But then, lolPS2, I guess.

[Panthera]

trivial details for which you know there is no satisfactory answer...

oh ho ho ho! The entry level of Abyssea is a "Trivial Detail"? If it were so trivial, then surely you wouldn't mind if it were raised to level 75. If they raised it by so much as 1 level, there will be Q's, lots of Q's.


...so that you may declare victory when such answers fail to emerge,
despite the fact that the question is irrelevant to the substance of the point you're trying to debunk (that low-level people being in Abyssea is perfectly fine).

Should people incapable of "contributing" (you refuse to acknowledge chest-opening as "contributing") due to their level be allowed entry to Abyssea? This is a binary question. Whether the barrier is 30 or 20 or 50 or 1 is irrelevant, because a level 50 (though healers may be the exception) isn't in that much of a better position to contribute than a level 1.

We can safely assume 30 was an arbitrary decision and forget about it.

Arbitrary.

So, the level cap is fine the way it is, because it benefits the players, and because that's the rules, because... SE picked 30 on a whim?

Just checking.

[Korpg]

Panthera, do you not pay attention, or do you just pick at arguments you think you can fight against?

Read the last page, one of my posts there....you might find the real reason why SE picked level 30...

[scaevola]

oh ho ho ho! The entry level of Abyssea is a "Trivial Detail"? If it were so trivial, then surely you wouldn't mind if it were raised to level 75. If they raised it by so much as 1 level, there will be Q's, lots of Q's.

Yes, the specific level is a trivial detail. As I explained in the part you left out, the issue is completely binary: either we have a level barrier that prevents people who can't contribute per your definition from entering Abyssea or we don't.




Arbitrary.

So, the level cap is fine the way it is, because it benefits the players, and because that's the rules, because... SE picked 30 on a whim?

Just checking.

Yes and no. The decision to allow low-level players in Abyssea is not arbitrary, because whether or not you can actually fight or kill anything in a game about fighting and killing things is admittedly a pretty relevant question, though one I think you're on the wrong side of. The specific level at which they are allowed entry IS arbitrary, because being level 20 or level 50 will not meaningfully change your opportunities and options in the event.

As I said in an earlier post, the reason for making an arbitrary decision is that other potential decisions would have been no less arbitrary, but a decision had to be made nonetheless. Until a better rationale is provided for a change, the decision is self-justifying.

The decision was made to provide Abyssea access to low-level players, for a multitude of conceivable reasons we've all gone to great lengths to explain. Once that decision was made, somebody had to make a decision as to whether there would be a level barrier at all and if so, what it would be. Someone to whom I have never spoken made such a decision based on reasons I'll never know for sure, but I can't imagine were that significant. I do not have a better alternative to what he decided.

It's worth noting that level 30 has some symbolic resonance in FFXI because of advanced jobs, so that may have been a reason why the level came to mind for this decision that was, again, very arbitrary.

[Panthera]

@scaevola

It's perfectly valid to press the OP if that's what he contends. He's just made an assertion without a great deal of supporting reasons. I would hear them, of course. What I suspect he really meant was,"Abyssea is Awesome, don't raise the cap." Of course, there's already another thread for "Lower it to level 1," so this thread would be redundant if that's what he meant. But maybe the OP really does mean "fine as is," so I'm just asking for clarity atm.

At least you and I can agree that the 30 cap is silly. I could settle on 60 or 65+ somewheres myself for a compromise.

You're right about level 30 being symbolic, but as much as anything, I think many jobs get their defining characteristics between about 30-40. But that seems an odd reason to make Abyssea 30 capped. Pure speculation here, but maybe it's SE's way of saying, "you really need to burn through at least 30 to 40 levels to get your job, and after that, if you don't get it you just don't." Not saying I think that but could that be it?

[Olor]

The OP has said that the cap is fine where it is because it benefits the player. This could be said of any level. So why level 30? What is a level 30 doing that a level 1 cannot? Why is level 30 "just right" as an entry level for an area that SE is designed for about 75 and up? Would the OP support lowering the cap even farther? I would like to hear his thoughts on this.

Why is the level to get an advanced job 30? why is the level to enter the past through a maw 30?

I don't think there has to be a deep significant reason why it is 30. I think it is 30 because chances are a brand new player is going to be focussed on things like getting a subjob and a chocobo and all that jazz until 30. 30 is low enough to be acceptable - but not so low that people feel the need to run their level 1 character to Jeuno to be a good player.

It is the level we get to unlock a lot of stuff.

Anyway, this has been re-hashed already a billion times. Let's talk about how much fun it is to level up fast, do massive damage, and play with all sorts of different people at all different levels of ability?

We haven't talked enough about how much FUN abyssea is.

[Olor]

@scaevola

It's perfectly valid to press the OP if that's what he contends. He's just made an assertion without a great deal of supporting reasons. I would hear them, of course. What I suspect he really meant was,"Abyssea is Awesome, don't raise the cap." Of course, there's already another thread for "Lower it to level 1," so this thread would be redundant if that's what he meant. But maybe the OP really does mean "fine as is," so I'm just asking for clarity atm.


I am a girl, not a "he" first of all.

Second of all, I am not contending anything. I am expressing my heartfelt joy in the face of the new XI. A game I can play a few times a week and make significant progress in. A game where I can help my friends without inconviencing myself. A game where strangers help each other because they lose nothing by doing so.

Those aspects of the game have been created by Abyssea - including by the 30 cap. Again, it needs to be 30 because a new player needs time to gather stones. It was two months between when I started my stones up and when I started Abyssea. I bet for more casual people it would actually be longer.

[Panthera]

We haven't talked enough about how much FUN abyssea is.

Indeed. Why are you digging this so much? Or was it your follow-up post that details that.

[Ravenmore]

Cause IDK not having to put up with people like panthera. Only having to play with my friends to get things, not 20 to 30 other people all going for the same gear as I am. No LS leaders giving out all the good gear to thier friends (AKA boot lickers) or them selfs. I starting to think panthera was a LS leader.

[Sesh]

Awww I don't read the forums for a couple of days, and the antiaby crew has come in to wreck what once was a nice thread. /sad

[Romanova]

<3 abyssea. Played this game since ps2 release, was pretty consistent until maybe the last 3-4 years where I kept quitting to try other MMOs. Keep coming back but meh something always made me want to take a break because things would just grind on me.

After 9 years it's nice to come to the game and not feel like I have to play 5+ hours to get 1 thing done. I'm very thankful for the direction SE took with the game.

[Starcade]

Why are you still on your whole high horse attitude about everyone but you is a cheater.

Explain to me why you think I'm a cheater, since you have accused everyone in this game of being a cheater, and since I'm in that group of everyone, I must be a cheater in your eyes.

Was it because I can solo my gear from NMs in Abyssea?
Or that I have friends who help me with +2 items and emp weapons?
Or that I'm not a narcissistic fool who thinks this game was made to be cheated on?


Use Windower?
Third-Party Programs??

(Not that I'd expect you answer, but they are keeping that open advertisement to Windower on the forum for some strange reason. If I'm getting trolled, Square-Enix is getting it from both ends.)

Etc. and so forth???

Trust me, you'd be only the second high-level player I know who doesn't.

[Ravenmore]

What about all those PS2 users.

[Myrrh]

They clearly cheat too. Starcade believes it.

[Zyeriis]

Use Windower?
Third-Party Programs??

(Not that I'd expect you answer, but they are keeping that open advertisement to Windower on the forum for some strange reason. If I'm getting trolled, Square-Enix is getting it from both ends.)

Etc. and so forth???

Trust me, you'd be only the second high-level player I know who doesn't.

You clearly don't know a lot of people then.

[Dijana]

Im getting rather sick of aby, but I still think it was a good change for the game. I only began playing end of 2008, and I never got into any real endgame activities, mostly because I am in australia and everyone I knew is in US, I was usually at work when any events were going on. Add to that I lvled smn first, then dnc, so I wasnt exactly going to get many invites to anything. I did do dynamis though o.o

I dont have much reason to say I would want to go back to the way the game used to be. It was usually play on my own or with JPs and barely be able to communicate. The way the game needed you to be in groups got a bit tiresome after a while when there was very little I could do unless I woke myself up at 3am to meet up with my friends.

Aby came along and it makes it so much easier to just go in whenever with anyone. Depending on what jobs you have with you, you can just change your atmas to make up for what jobs you dont have (sort of). The downside in my eyes is how aby is ALL there is to the game now. With the recent changes to dynamis, xp outside of aby etc, its not so bad anymore, but having 9 zones + jeuno as a waiting area started to get pretty dull after a while. There's also the matter of people leeching. I'd be a hypocrite if I said you shouldnt leech jobs and the cap should raise, I've leeched a couple of my own jobs. The problem just comes with how people treat it after. Of the jobs I leeched up, I wouldnt play them in a group or any kind of event until I had them reasonably well geared and skilled up. Alot of people I see dont even do that though and think just because they have that 90 sitting in their job levels list they can slap on a set of pink gear and they can do anything. Then of course the annoyance of going into a pt to get merits or xp, only to find 12 people all anon standing around the dom ops npc, while there are 2 or 3 melee all wearing their aurore or pearl swinging at a doll or a buffalo and barely doing any dmg (but at least they are doing SOMETHING).

I like abyssea, I'd like it much more though if there was still more to do outside of it. Yes yes I know all that old content is still there, but not much point in doing it when you get nothing worthwhile out of it, or its just too easy to be enjoyable.

[Neisan_Quetz]

You have Voidwatch now.

[Korpg]

Use Windower?
Third-Party Programs??

(Not that I'd expect you answer, but they are keeping that open advertisement to Windower on the forum for some strange reason. If I'm getting trolled, Square-Enix is getting it from both ends.)

Etc. and so forth???

Trust me, you'd be only the second high-level player I know who doesn't.

You wouldn't believe my answer anyway.

Because you wouldn't accept that anyone who is better than you doesn't cheat. PS2/XBOX players included.

"They MUST cheat because they have better gear, hit harder, nuke harder, enfeeble more accurate, tank better, cure better/faster than me!"

That's always your accusation. Because somebody who is better than you, they must have something you don't. Well, you are right, they have talent, which you clearly lack.

[Olor]

Reasons why I like Abyssea

-It took me two painful weeks to get from 65-69 (might not have taken so long if I could bear to log in more). It took me 1 party to get from 69-76 (plus 75K cruor and a couple blm seals I will use later). I have a busy life (as do many people here) if the journey from 70-90 was as painful as my journey from 65-69, I wouldn't be interested in this game. It is FUN to get a lot done in a short amount of time.

-It is fast, fun, and furious, often with multiple enemies going down quickly.

-Razed Ruins is a blast! I mean who doesn't like crit after crit after crit.

-Minnekin means never having to spend my playtime sitting on my arse and makes my BST into a pretty fun lil ghetto whm (which is more useful than a ghetto DD, feeding tp)

-I like that Abby brings people of different skill levels together.

-I like that within a month as long as I take the time to do things like skill up, I will be able to solo/duo/trio most of the remaining storyline content in the game. That's great! I can get my missions going on and unlock content left right and center.

-I'm looking forward to going NM hunting inside and outside Abyssea on my BST 90. Abyssea puts level cap within reach of casual players (which I am semi-casual)

[Octaviane]

Use Windower?
Third-Party Programs??

(Not that I'd expect you answer, but they are keeping that open advertisement to Windower on the forum for some strange reason. If I'm getting trolled, Square-Enix is getting it from both ends.)

Etc. and so forth???

Trust me, you'd be only the second high-level player I know who doesn't.

This from a troller who thinks people who enjoy Beseiged are, or were cheaters because they got skill-ups during battles. Were we also cheating when it took 6 players to form a good xp/levelling/tp burn party? Or minimum 1 alliance to beat Dynamis for drops that sometimes took years? FFXI was never hard, just time consuming for certain things. Doesn't mean every player is/was a cheater.

No Windower, no third party tools used by this player, I enjoy a good, healthy mix of old and new content because I can and because I pay for my account not you. When you do, you can call me whatever you want as long as you can prove it. Until then please go and enjoy the game for what it is. :)

[Korpg]

This from a troller who thinks people who enjoy Beseiged are, or were cheaters because they got skill-ups during battles. Were we also cheating when it took 6 players to form a good xp/levelling/tp burn party? Or minimum 1 alliance to beat Dynamis for drops that sometimes took years? FFXI was never hard, just time consuming for certain things. Doesn't mean every player is/was a cheater.

No Windower, no third party tools used by this player, I enjoy a good, healthy mix of old and new content because I can and because I pay for my account not you. When you do, you can call me whatever you want as long as you can prove it. Until then please go and enjoy the game for what it is. :)

You forgot that its cheating to use macros also.

Real players use the menus!

[Juri_Licious]

Why are you guys constantly comparing obtaining items/fighting NM in Abyssea as to leveling up in Abyssea?

They are completely different things. As for the level 30 requirement, it is pretty bogus because you can't even do anything in Abyssea till much, much later on. The reasonings in this thread baffle me.

"Oh man, before I had to actually play in parties to level up. Now, I can setup a Abyssea party and AFK at level 30 and watch some Netflix for once in a while not playing the game at all and be 60+ or 70+ by the time I come back. SE, You've done good."

So the best part of this game now is not playing the game? Hah.
In any other MMO Leeching is considered a bad thing, but in FFXI it's praised.

Just face it, you enjoy the fact that leveling up is so easy now that you don't have to do anything anymore.
Who cares if it's good or bad, you're high level now so, that's all that matters.

[Mirage]

Low levels in Abyssea should stay as they are now, seeing as it is too late to change that anyway, it would just screw over those who haven't had a chance to do it yet. Just make the exp-rate gap between abyssea and vanadiel smaller. This means increasing leveling speed outside abyssea, not slowing it down inside.

I think it is... illogical that you are able to get exp really fast by doing almost nothing. However, because it's been like that for too long to take that away, I think it would be better to just make exping nearly as fast when you have to fight on your own.

A few things have been done to attempt this, but to me it looks like SE at the time were not aware exactly how fast it was to leech in abyssea when they implemented them, or seriously underestimated exactly how lucrative it is to take a job from 30 to 90 inside abyssea. Cruor and dom notes are a contributing factor too. Not only can you get fast, easy levels, but you can also get millions of cruor to use on brews later, as well as dom notes items to sell for a decent amount of gil.

That's why I think you should be able to buy better gear for the non-abyssea "mob-kill-currencies".

And of course, I wouldn't turn down an opportunity to keyleech myself, even though I haven't done it yet. I have no problems with using a system that is already in place, even if I think that system is a bit dumb.

[Ravenmore]

Really were are all you people saying Key leech is bad cause if I put together a exp party first thing people ask if there will be a key person. Try flouting the idea of everyone sharing key poping, or the brd or cor doing it. Protip you won't have a party. People say this crap here but if they have to pop boxs they shut up fast.

[Anathiel]

Yeah, I love abyssea. I've been playing for 7 years, I've done the grind to 75 and I don't need to do it anymore. If the 5 new people have it easy, so be it...at least I won't have to go through the hell again either.

EDIT: That being said, I'd rather see abyssea as a means to get to 90, then to be the content for endgame. I would prefer party dynamics and alliance strategy, but with abyssea at least you can get your "needed for win" job to 90 and still be able to enjoy content without grinding for 6 months - 1 year

[Olor]

They are completely different things. As for the level 30 requirement, it is pretty bogus because you can't even do anything in Abyssea till much, much later on .

Really? You can't buy items off the AH and trade them to npcs for fame at 30? You can't start collecting traverser stones so when you actually reach 70 you can join a party without waiting for weeks for your time to add up?

Also, I love keyers. LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE them. As people have noted before, a keyer is adding way more exp to the party than a newly minted level 70 player with no atma, or at best 1.