Will there be additional Abyssea type zones?

[Runespider]

I know the story arc for Abyssea is over, however given just how popular it has been, how many players it has brought back AND how many people bought 2nd accounts to play both chars on this content it would be kinda silly not to add more Abyssea type zones.

A lot of serious XI players now have bought, leveled and continue to pay for unique subs on alt accounts. This is mainly due to Abyssea type content where atmas make using 2 chars at once a decent prospect. Although it would be good to see more difficult party/alliance content I think it would be a big mistake to not add more of this type of Abyssea stuff and indeed not see it as the most important part of current FFXI(people will cancel these alt accounts if there is no further reason for them) and most content hardcore players like will be a turnoff to almost everyone else.

In a game with lilmited appeal to new gamers it makes sense to not lose on all these additional subscriptions players are going into, there is plenty of room for new Abyssea copy zones. If number of zones is a problem remake certain useless zones into Aby ones.

So yeah Abyssea is the most important content for everyone and looking at the next 12 month content I think it will continue to be, not expanding on Abyssea I think will be a big mistake.

[Akujima]

So yeah Abyssea is the most important content for everyone and looking at the next 12 month content I think it will continue to be, not expanding on Abyssea I think will be a big mistake.


Be prepared for a $#!% ton of opposition.

I'll quit and I know many others who will too, if they keep giving us more Abyssea or Abyssea style content. It's played out to no end. Give us a new expansion, new zones, new bosses and a storyline that wasn't written for a saturday morning cartoon.

[Leonlionheart]

This will not end well.

Although I kind of like the sentiment of keeping my Atma, I don't know how much I would like more Abyssea.

If they increased the challenge of future Abyssea type events I wouldn't mind though.

[Aldersyde]

I agree. I'd like to see more Abyssea zones, if not only to relieve congestion in current Heroes ones. And I think it would be fun to see what hellholes they could make out of the jungle zones or some of the toau zones.

Alas, i think some of the more vocal nuts on this forum have given the devs the idea that Abyssea isn't what we want. I wouldn't get my hopes up.

Horrible idea to let the inmates run the asylum but meh, what can you do, the genie's out of the bottle now.

[Aldersyde]

Be prepared for a $#!% ton of opposition.

I'll quit and I know many others who will too, if they keep giving us more Abyssea or Abyssea style content. It's played out to no end. Give us a new expansion, new zones, new bosses and a storyline that wasn't written for a saturday morning cartoon.

Promises, promises...

[Leonlionheart]

Be prepared for a $#!% ton of opposition.

I'll quit and I know many others who will too, if they keep giving us more Abyssea or Abyssea style content. It's played out to no end. Give us a new expansion, new zones, new bosses and a storyline that wasn't written for a saturday morning cartoon.

PS2 Limitations. New expansion and new zones are not possible. New bosses, however... Well go look at voidwatch.

Either way, no one quits FFXI. They just go on hiatus.

[Xellith]

PS2 Limitations. New expansion and new zones are not possible. New bosses, however... Well go look at voidwatch.

Either way, no one quits FFXI. They just go on hiatus.

Your entire post contains misinformation. Its not PS2 limitations, PS2 HDD has TONNES of space left. New expansions and new zones ARE possible. Read the expansion threads that have been created.

[Akujima]

Horrible idea to let the inmates run the asylum but meh, what can you do, the genie's out of the bottle now.


What? You think we should just up the dosages of our medication, while they dish out more hypnotic repetitive trash for us to be enamored, whilst being sucked deeper and deeper into a garbage pit?

Open your eyes for once, it wouldn't hurt to take a look at what's really happening. They're spoon feeding the babies, while making little airplane noises so they can feel special. Abyssea is quite literally a SIMS Shopping Mall, only with fanatics camping out in front of stores (??? NM pops) to be in line for the next trendy outfit.

And if you think I'm crazy, then you might just be right. But not as crazy as what this thread is asking for.

[Leonlionheart]

Why do people say Abyssea is more repetitive than older content?

I'm sure you've had to do several Byakko's in a row, and the same can be said for almost all old NM's.

Abyssea just adds epeen DMG, selective jobs, and a time limit system.

[Aldersyde]

What? You think we should just up the dosages of our medication, while they dish out more hypnotic repetitive trash for us to be enamored, whilst being sucked deeper and deeper into a garbage pit?

Open your eyes for once, it wouldn't hurt to take a look at what's really happening. They're spoon feeding the babies, while making little airplane noises so they can feel special. Abyssea is quite literally a SIMS Shopping Mall, only with fanatics camping out in front of stores (??? NM pops) to be in line for the next trendy outfit.

And if you think I'm crazy, then you might just be right. But not as crazy as what this thread is asking for.

I don't know what you're ranting about and I don't much care.

What I meant by the inmate's running the asylum crack is that I think it was a simply horrid idea for SE to want communication and ideas from the general player base because most of the ideas given here are horrible and just plain suck. Especially the ones that seem to be asking for an old-style grind and old style drop rates that have been driving players crazy for years. Seriously, get bent.

[Juilan]

Id rather have new stuff that requires honing new skills in the game and taking job dynamics to a different thought process and maybe something that i can actually level my bst using charmed pets. Give me new Jorm type monsters that you need multiple people to pay attention rather than a cure bombing mage.

[svengalis]

This will not end well.

Although I kind of like the sentiment of keeping my Atma, I don't know how much I would like more Abyssea.

If they increased the challenge of future Abyssea type events I wouldn't mind though.

If you think Abyssea is not challenging try going in with no cruor or atma buffs. I agree with topic creator. I would love if the game continued down the Abyssea path. I to have two accounts because of Abyssea.

[svengalis]

What? You think we should just up the dosages of our medication, while they dish out more hypnotic repetitive trash for us to be enamored, whilst being sucked deeper and deeper into a garbage pit?

Open your eyes for once, it wouldn't hurt to take a look at what's really happening. They're spoon feeding the babies, while making little airplane noises so they can feel special. Abyssea is quite literally a SIMS Shopping Mall, only with fanatics camping out in front of stores (??? NM pops) to be in line for the next trendy outfit.

And if you think I'm crazy, then you might just be right. But not as crazy as what this thread is asking for.

You sound like your mad cause all the noobs can get the good gear now. I will never understand why people get so upset cause everyone can get the good endgame gear now if they have the time to do it.

[svengalis]

Why do people say Abyssea is more repetitive than older content?

I'm sure you've had to do several Byakko's in a row, and the same can be said for almost all old NM's.

Abyssea just adds epeen DMG, selective jobs, and a time limit system.

I can never uderstand how anyone can say any one video game is repetitve. They all are especially this one no matter what you do.

[svengalis]

I don't know what you're ranting about and I don't much care.

What I meant by the inmate's running the asylum crack is that I think it was a simply horrid idea for SE to want communication and ideas from the general player base because most of the ideas given here are horrible and just plain suck. Especially the ones that seem to be asking for an old-style grind and old style drop rates that have been driving players crazy for years. Seriously, get bent.

That's why you have to come into those threads and counter them. I don't want to go back to killing a NM for months just to get the drops I want from it.

[Rie]

svengalis, can't you just reply to all the posts you'd like to reply to in the same post?

[Runespider]

Id rather have new stuff that requires honing new skills in the game and taking job dynamics to a different thought process and maybe something that i can actually level my bst using charmed pets. Give me new Jorm type monsters that you need multiple people to pay attention rather than a cure bombing mage.

How did you find the content they added last update, the non abyssea new stuff? I would rather more stuff thats good and proven successful than new stuff that might be pushed out by the old dev team/ideas that ends up sucking.

At the time the old type content was good (talking about Salvage etc) but that stuff won't fly after Abyssea anymore, even moreso given that all the best endgame content they made previously was done by a small portion of the playerbase while Abyssea is pretty much for everyone. It wouldn't even cost that much to Abyssea..ize some other zones, the terrain is the same..the monsters pretty much the same, the abyssea mechanics engine is there.

If you want challenges they can be done in Abyssea, make zones or mobs where you can't use brews or even make a handful of god tier NM's that are really tough, even with all the crazy buffs.

[RaenRyong]

What? You think we should just up the dosages of our medication, while they dish out more hypnotic repetitive trash for us to be enamored, whilst being sucked deeper and deeper into a garbage pit?

Open your eyes for once, it wouldn't hurt to take a look at what's really happening. They're spoon feeding the babies, while making little airplane noises so they can feel special. Abyssea is quite literally a SIMS Shopping Mall, only with fanatics camping out in front of stores (??? NM pops) to be in line for the next trendy outfit.

And if you think I'm crazy, then you might just be right. But not as crazy as what this thread is asking for.

What is your character like? I have a hard time believing it doesn't suck.

[Glamdring]

I hope Abyssea is not expanded. That whole !! proc thing is an abomination. The fact that I'll be able to take all my 90's to 95 in about an hour each when they put in the next lvl cap is simply stupid.

Unfortunately, they brought that stupid !! thing in with new content and even expanded it to the old. I'm at a loss to figure how !! improved Dynamis as an example.

I'll grant you, I never liked how once a certain way to beat ___ NM was published only that specific job set was welcome and no attempts at beating it in any other ways would even be attempted-the cookiecutter approach. But in this day and age where everything is just a matter of "put on your god gear, add 3 Atma and just solo it"? I also fail to see how that's an improvement.

XI is ultimately a strategy game with some elements of randomness to make for challenges, or at least it was, and that was its appeal. Abyssea has none of that. The only questions are satisfied in a week-the time it takes for everything's drops to be found and published. Revampped Dynamis is a little better-it'll probably take 3 weeks for all the !! triggers to be published, the same for Voidwatch. In fact, the only legitimate puzzle I've seen from SE in a year is "if that's all Deluxe Animator does, why bother?"

[Elexia]

Your entire post contains misinformation. Its not PS2 limitations, PS2 HDD has TONNES of space left. New expansions and new zones ARE possible. Read the expansion threads that have been created.

Your post contains misinformation.

PS2 Limitations aren't 100% regarding HDD space, it's regarding actual memory allocation and XI iirc is nearing it's zone cap that the PS2 can handle, it's why we won't see the North, South, West or Far east lands more than likely, but instancing zones (e.g Bastok Markets, Bastok Markets [s] etc) seem to do well. So I'm expecting city abysseas soon.

Make it happen, SE.

[Arcon]

You sound like your mad cause all the noobs can get the good gear now. I will never understand why people get so upset cause everyone can get the good endgame gear now if they have the time to do it.

Because some people believe that good gear should take a lot of time and effort to obtain, which is a valid belief. This is a matter of opinion after all. Not everyone plays to be the best, but to feel an achievement for getting where they are, a feeling that is (for the most part) lost with Abyssea.


I can never uderstand how anyone can say any one video game is repetitve. They all are especially this one no matter what you do.

There's different degrees of repetition. This is a whole new level.


PS2 Limitations aren't 100% regarding HDD space, it's regarding actual memory allocation and XI iirc is nearing it's zone cap that the PS2 can handle, it's why we won't see the North, South, West or Far east lands more than likely, but instancing zones (e.g Bastok Markets, Bastok Markets [s] etc) seem to do well. So I'm expecting city abysseas soon.

That argument doesn't hold water, since the Abyssea zones have seperate memory entries as well as seperate DATs for the zones themselves. They're in every respect new zones. The only limitation is SE's resources to put more effort into it.

I would really like to see new census numbers. Everyone keeps saying Abyssea revived FFXI, which in my experience couldn't be more wrong. When Abyssea was initially released about as many people joined or returned to the game as have quit because of it. And when it was released it was considered a very new and fun experience, which is why many people praised it, and this includes almost everyone who blames it for destroying the game now. Lately all I see everywhere around me is people quitting, and all of them for more or less the same reason: "the game is no fun anymore". I wish I had actual numbers to back this up, but I don't, which is why I really hope some numbers regarding this are included in the next census.

I observed three stages to Abyssea:

1) After release some people were annoyed that all their achievements were basically annulled and quit the game. Others welcomed the new content and new challenge, while appreciating the eased level, but still to some degree rewarding old content.

2) People figured out Atma efficiency and Weakness staggers. AF3 and Atma kept raining in, while Empyrean Weapons became a realistic goal to many people. Old content was largely ignored, because more time was invested in new stuff, and with the next two level increases, it lost even more in its usefulness.

3) Empyrean Weapon grinding. Most people have what they need and just keep going on and on, for no reason other than having a better weapon, which makes little to no difference in the first place, since there's no content which requires it. This one may change with future updates (not really by a noticeable amount with this one). But at this point many people had enough, even some of the early Empyrean Weapon grinders.

By now I know a lot of people who quit. A few old players came back to check it out, some are quickly catching up to the point of being annoyed again, others have already quit as well. Again, this is just my personal observation, but I see it in such a large amount, I find the argument that Abyssea revived FFXI really hard to believe. I would really like to see official census data if this is a large-scale event or if it's only happening within my own environment.

Also, I know absolutely no one who bought a second account to play inside Abyssea, and, in fact, a majority of people with two accounts I know have quit.

Edit:
About inmates running the asylum, this place was made specifically for people to share their opinions with SE. While quite a large amount of suggestions are objectively stupid, I'm fairly certain the development team is smart enough to filter those out. Others are matters of opinion and should be regarded as such. And for that, this official forum is just the right place, because, as I mentioned before, it contains players from every part of the game, low end, high end, and everything within that spectrum.

[Ravenmore]

If it was salvage type event with salvage type sidegrade rewards that cost mils of gil to finish most people would not do it. Oh kinda like how salvage was before abyssea came out.

[Runespider]

Because some people believe that good gear should take a lot of time and effort to obtain, which is a valid belief. This is a matter of opinion after all. Not everyone plays to be the best, but to feel an achievement for getting where they are, a feeling that is (for the most part) lost with Abyssea.

I don't think thats the reason really, nobody really wants to work really long and hard for gear.. they just don't want everyone else to have it, devaluing the achievment. Hell almost all the hardcore gamers that make this argument cheated their asses off, so the difficult/earning mindset is nonsense. It's all about status and lack of it in new FFXI.

For instance it took me 2 years to get morrigans and 3-4 years to get dalmy/ebody, while I know of many top tier players that got these things in a matter of months. Did they feel angry because they didn't put in as much effort as me or did they see the same value in it and like having gear most everyone else could not have?

[Anewie]

Meh, I'm on the fence with this. Add more valuable endgame content and fix stuff THAT NEEDS to be fixed and sure, idm adding new abyssea zones just so the casuals don't start crying.

I don't think theres anything wrong with more abyssea zones as long as the hardcore base is catered too as well.

[Romanova]

I don't think thats the reason really, nobody really wants to work really long and hard for gear.. they just don't want everyone else to have it, devaluing the achievment. Hell almost all the hardcore gamers that make this argument cheated their asses off, so the difficult/earning mindset is nonsense. It's all about status and lack of it in new FFXI.

For instance it took me 2 years to get morrigans and 3-4 years to get dalmy/ebody, while I know of many top tier players that got these things in a matter of months. Did they feel angry because they didn't put in as much effort as me or did they see the same value in it and like having gear most everyone else could not have?

^ 100% this and it's sad really. I think the playerbase ruined much of FFXI more than SE ever did/could have. Because FFXI players seem to be the only mmo group that is obsessed with stagnant progression, but at the same time want enough hard progression so only 10% of the playerbase is on top.

And by stagnant, SE fell into the trap when people complained so much about their ridills/relics/dalms/etc. being so hard to get that they didn't want them to get outdated by other gear. So SE went back into some weird circular gear progression that took about 6+ years to break (6+ years of fighting the same hnms where new hnms gave little to be excited about).

I have never seen any MMO like this. Even ones like EQ1 which started out way harder than FFXI. But somehow this community can't handle the idea of progression for all. It's a 9 year old game, I don't think it should be that serious anymore.

[Arcon]

I don't think thats the reason really, nobody really wants to work really long and hard for gear.. they just don't want everyone else to have it, devaluing the achievment. Hell almost all the hardcore gamers that make this argument cheated their asses off, so the difficult/earning mindset is nonsense. It's all about status and lack of it in new FFXI.

For instance it took me 2 years to get morrigans and 3-4 years to get dalmy/ebody, while I know of many top tier players that got these things in a matter of months. Did they feel angry because they didn't put in as much effort as me or did they see the same value in it and like having gear most everyone else could not have?

Well, I agree that may partially be true, I know it's not for many people. I camped KA for eight months, and I think that's perfectly fine. Not because I have something that others don't, but because I honestly believe it's ok to work long to get something. Same with Dynamis, I still don't have everything I want from there, and I still do it. The reason people say FFXI followed the WoW path, is because FFXI always put quality ahead of quantity. Dynamis was an extremely balanced system, no matter what people say. Yes, it may have taken over a year of dedication to get THF AF2 hands, but it was worth it, because there was no better item in the game (for that purpose). And it didn't prevent you from getting other items either, even in points-based systems if you stacked enough points for a year you got lot on other things while maintaining a respectable lead on other items. And it was like this with other things too. Certain Kings abjurations were nearly impossible to obtain, and the solution to this was simple: Einherjar. Now everyone had a respectable chance at those again. Even many social shells with ~20 people could do enough Einherjar to deck many people out with rare items every year (Odin once a month was standard in many LS with only weekly runs). Some may argue that's too long, but again, that's a matter of opinion. I think it was just fine, and I'm sure most people agreed because, after all, the game did survive for years and did exceptionally well in the MMO spectrum with non-Abyssea content only.

The reasons many people left lately (before Abyssea) were rather simple. For one, the game was old, many people grow up and find other priorities in life, or simply wanna experience new ventures. But also, and that's what I think many people overlook, it wasn't the old content that turned many people off, but rather the lack of more (not new) content. The (then) new content, WotG, was a disappointment, because it provided nothing new, valueable. The (extremely well done) storyline was provided in long intervals, and gave no incentive other than a semi-useful earring. Even those people who did it just for the story found it a disappointing experience, not because of the actual story, but because it was so easily forgotten between those long intervals. I'm a story buff myself, and I can hardly recall the details from the storyline. Even CoP, which took me over a year to complete, was always present and kept people trying, so it wasn't nearly as hard to follow (and WotG took a lot longer than that too). This huge lack of any content made the game boring to some, especially those who did everything else there was on a regular basis for years.

Abyssea simply provided something to do for many people who (almost or entirely) gave up before. But I can see that effect fading all around me. And I just find it weird to believe that I play with people who defy the majority in such staggering amounts, which is why I find some of these statements hard to believe as well. But then again, maybe I just play in the ghetto part of Vana'diel.


I have never seen any MMO like this. Even ones like EQ1 which started out way harder than FFXI. But somehow this community can't handle the idea of progression for all. It's a 9 year old game, I don't think it should be that serious anymore.

Again a matter of opinion. This seriousness of progression is one thing that attracted me, and was, in fact, something that people praised over other games. That feeling is now fading, I noticed I don't play nearly as much as I used to I just hang out and wait for people shouting for help, because there's hardly anything that feels worth the effort (I'm on here a lot more than the actual game lately).

[Mrbeansman]

I would love to see a casuale social LS beat tier 3 einherjar back in the 75 era.

That aside I would like to ask what people would think about more abyssea zones if they came along with new endgame content cause thats the only reasonable complaint I ever hear about abyssea.

[wish12oz]

What? You think we should just up the dosages of our medication, while they dish out more hypnotic repetitive trash for us to be enamored, whilst being sucked deeper and deeper into a garbage pit?

It's obvious you hate the game, why are you even still playing? You should really go play some other easy MMO that conforms to your standard, it would probably make you happier.

[Teraniku]

I like Abyssea, Abyssea is fun, but 9 zones is more than enough of it. Going into Abyssea and having the Atmas and Empyrean Armor etc is cool, but I don't want FFXI to be All Abyssea all the time... and it almost is right now.

[Eeek]

If SE does not release more Abyssea content, and I don't think they will, I hope the new content embraces the same inclusive spirit as Abyssea. There's truly something for everyone there, and it's remarkably inclusive and accessible.

I'm a big fan of the newer content where it's possible to make a little (or a lot of) progress whenever players log in ready and motivated to get out and do something. While they're sometimes a drag to do, I love Magian weapons as well as the process to acquire AF3+1 and AF3+2 armors. The further SE moves away from the 0.5% drops from highly contested NMs or in highly congested content (THF and RDM AF2, for example), the happier I will be as a player.

FFXI has improved drastically since early 2010, and I hope the game remains on this trajectory.

[Romanova]

Again a matter of opinion. This seriousness of progression is one thing that attracted me, and was, in fact, something that people praised over other games. That feeling is now fading, I noticed I don't play nearly as much as I used to I just hang out and wait for people shouting for help, because there's hardly anything that feels worth the effort (I'm on here a lot more than the actual game lately).


actually it is fact that people are in a stagnant progression. I don't think that anyone who played EQ1 at the start can deny that it was insanely hard in comparison to FFXI. People tend to forget this and think FFXI is the only truly hard mmo. Which amazes me. Yet, Sony changed the game as time changed. The game is, iirc, 3 years older than FFXI, and has see na lot more major changes. I can't give hard numbers (that once chart that put subscriptions of mmos proved to be greatly false 'cause they based if off of forum activities), but with 14 servers, and 1 type of server overflowing to the point they had to add another, says to me they were a lot smarter about how to keep players playing.

They also in the beginning had a very stagnant progression (eq2 even at the start), but both have built their progression a lot better without it being Wow-fast. Progressing to some degree gives people something new to do. But when only 10% get to keep doing those new things while the 90% are still stuck doing content 6 years old, then it's pretty safe to say you're going to start loosing subscribers at a much higher rate.

[Juilan]

How did you find the content they added last update, the non abyssea new stuff? I would rather more stuff thats good and proven successful than new stuff that might be pushed out by the old dev team/ideas that ends up sucking.

At the time the old type content was good (talking about Salvage etc) but that stuff won't fly after Abyssea anymore, even moreso given that all the best endgame content they made previously was done by a small portion of the playerbase while Abyssea is pretty much for everyone. It wouldn't even cost that much to Abyssea..ize some other zones, the terrain is the same..the monsters pretty much the same, the abyssea mechanics engine is there.

If you want challenges they can be done in Abyssea, make zones or mobs where you can't use brews or even make a handful of god tier NM's that are really tough, even with all the crazy buffs.

I enjoyed the void walker stuff, but the alternating stagger key item shouldn't be restricted to that ... I'm 99% certain that all monsters follow the same system. I just fear to see what they're doing with anything else they update, they made it so you can do dynamis more often but they made the currency worse... think if they changed salvage where you don't get alex or 35s unless you have the correct random job combo? I personally enjoyed having gear that a lot of the player base didn't get but dreamed of getting, having the different between quality and epeen gear made the players look less cookie cutter, and, especially with salvage gear, you knew the person usually put in a large bit of effort. I want more job versatility where you aren't required to have a job to do a list of things give drg something to do or maybe any other job that isn't there to either fill mp or make the monster stop doing something. Voidwalkers was a half step in the correct direction, but I'd still love some Hyper Notorious Monsters that will wipe people for months on end but not be impossible visa vi AV

[Arlan]

I know the story arc for Abyssea is over, however given just how popular it has been, how many players it has brought back AND how many people bought 2nd accounts to play both chars on this content it would be kinda silly not to add more Abyssea type zones.

A lot of serious XI players now have bought, leveled and continue to pay for unique subs on alt accounts. This is mainly due to Abyssea type content where atmas make using 2 chars at once a decent prospect. Although it would be good to see more difficult party/alliance content I think it would be a big mistake to not add more of this type of Abyssea stuff and indeed not see it as the most important part of current FFXI(people will cancel these alt accounts if there is no further reason for them) and most content hardcore players like will be a turnoff to almost everyone else.

In a game with lilmited appeal to new gamers it makes sense to not lose on all these additional subscriptions players are going into, there is plenty of room for new Abyssea copy zones. If number of zones is a problem remake certain useless zones into Aby ones.

So yeah Abyssea is the most important content for everyone and looking at the next 12 month content I think it will continue to be, not expanding on Abyssea I think will be a big mistake.

I agree with OP here.
I am having a lot of fun with the abyssea contents however, I want more contents like abyssea but at least a little different than abyssea to make it different and still make it accessible for majority of players to enjoy and be challenged with. I welcome storyline and new areas to explore but I do not wish for reskin Zones if possible.

As long as we can get things done in a reasonable rate and not have to give our life for the game to progress, Im a happy gamer. =)

[Chiibi]

hmm i havent finished abyssea... does it warrant more zones? or should it just be left as-is?

[Arlan]

hmm i havent finished abyssea... does it warrant more zones? or should it just be left as-is?

What do you mean "Warrant"?
I was hoping for new zones like abyssea lol

[Camate]

It's awesome to hear that so many of you are enjoying all of the current Abyssea content and are craving more!

We spoke to the development team about whether new Abyssea zones would be added, but they said that they currently do not have any plans of doing so. No need to fret though, as there is still a ton of great content on the way as outlined in the road map!

[Fearforever]

It's awesome to hear that so many of you are enjoying all of the current Abyssea content and are craving more!

We spoke to the development team about whether new Abyssea zones would be added, but they said that they currently do not have any plans of doing so. No need to fret though, as there is still a ton of great content on the way as outlined in the road map!

that's a shame :(

Future Abyssea expansions would make nice to go along with Lv95 & 99 content, a place to upgrade our Empyrean weapons to their 95 and 99 versions & maybe AF3+3 and +4 would be sweet also ^^

[MarkovChain]

We spoke to the development team about whether new Abyssea zones would be added, but they said that they currently do not have any plans of doing so.

Good then.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

It's awesome to hear that so many of you are enjoying all of the current Abyssea content and are craving more!

We spoke to the development team about whether new Abyssea zones would be added, but they said that they currently do not have any plans of doing so. No need to fret though, as there is still a ton of great content on the way as outlined in the road map!And there's still an open ended mission at the end.

[Coldbrand]

That stinks. I gotta' admit I really enjoy abyssea.

[Akujima]

We spoke to the development team about whether new Abyssea zones would be added, but they said that they currently do not have any plans of doing so.


I just had to come back to say... Thank God. Camate, I could kiss you right now.

[Zaknafein]

It's awesome to hear that so many of you are enjoying all of the current Abyssea content and are craving more!

We spoke to the development team about whether new Abyssea zones would be added, but they said that they currently do not have any plans of doing so. No need to fret though, as there is still a ton of great content on the way as outlined in the road map!

Thank Altana! Abyssea has been great for the game. I'm glad casual people got a chance to gear themselves out, and feel super awesome. The ridiculous easy mode overpowered herp a derpy AoA tards need a reality check now. We need some some difficult engaging content in a variety of areas. Not the same 9 over, and over again day after day. The only problem with old school dynamis, or Sea, Salvage w/e was the abysmal drop rates.

[Karbuncle]

I'm a little relieved.

I loved Abyssea, but I'm also happy they already have plans for different content 91+.

[Korpg]

I just had to come back to say... Thank God. Camate, I could kiss you right now.

Why are you still playing if you don't like this game anymore?

[Akujima]

Why are you still playing if you don't like this game anymore?


I see you assume that all there is to do in this game is Abyssea then.

[Karbuncle]

I see you assume that all there is to do in this game is Abyssea then?

I believe he is simply assuming you have expressed nothing but distaste with this game, how its played, where its going, and its current state, He naturally assumes that someone who so passionately hates a service, would not use said service.

I know If i hated 90% of this games content, I would likely cease paying SE monthly to hate the game.

[Novax]

I believe he is simply assuming you have expressed nothing but distaste with this game, how its played, where its going, and its current state, He naturally assumes that someone who so passionately hates a service, would not use said service.

I know If i hated 90% of this games content, I would likely cease paying SE monthly to hate the game.

This is the normal action one would assume taking.

[Korpg]

I believe he is simply assuming you have expressed nothing but distaste with this game, how its played, where its going, and its current state, He naturally assumes that someone who so passionately hates a service, would not use said service.

I know If i hated 90% of this games content, I would likely cease paying SE monthly to hate the game.

Hammer.
Nail.

Need I say more? Thanks Karby

[wish12oz]

The ridiculous easy mode overpowered herp a derpy AoA tards need a reality check now. We need some some difficult engaging content in a variety of areas.

You seem to be saying this like we had such content at some point in time. I assure you, since 2006, everything has been easy. And for some people, it's been easy far longer then that.

[Ravenmore]

Its not like any of the game was ever hard. dyna at 75 was a joke, limbus at 75 bigger joke, sky it was so easy a few rmt could do it. Ground the mobs them selfs were easy getting claim not so much. Salvage grab a couple of mnks and pups toss in a healer or 2 easy, crappy drop rates for side grade gear and you had to pick it over other parts of the same expanion. I love the game but don't act like it was hard.

[Akujima]

I believe he is simply assuming you have expressed nothing but distaste with this game, how its played, where its going, and its current state, He naturally assumes that someone who so passionately hates a service, would not use said service.

I know If i hated 90% of this games content, I would likely cease paying SE monthly to hate the game.


Because I express concern about the direction the game is headed, and choose to voice my opinion about it, you take it upon yourself to view that concern as distaste? So maybe I do have a tad bit of nostalgia when it comes to this game, but so what.

*Deleted by Moderator*

But I've said what I had to and I'll learn my lesson to stop posting eventually.

I have other reasons (like friends) who enjoy taking their time, and not feeling they have to rush towards endgame because the world is going to end any minute now. I have a PvP Linkshell and I enjoy grouping at lower Lvls. And I'm hoping that my concern which I expressed to SE is heard, so that they can get a better idea of what to add for content at Lv99. Until then, I'll be waiting.

[Karbuncle]

Because I express concern about the direction the game is headed, and choose to voice my opinion about it, you take it upon yourself to view that concern as distaste? So maybe I do have a tad bit of nostalgia when it comes to this game, but so what.

On the contrary. These forums are distasteful. Being filled with slime bucket elitists, who go around trolling everyone because they aren't PT'ing with bards, dancers and corsairs so they can hit 80% Haste Cap. I feel like I'm going to have a heart-attack every time I post. I wonder how they can take themselves so seriously sometimes and have the nerve to try and warp peoples viewpoints, yet call us out for being hypocrites if we make a thread about what we believe to be poor game design (Lv30 Abyssea Cap).

But I've said what I had to and I'll learn my lesson to stop posting eventually.

I have other reasons (like friends) who enjoy taking their time, and not feeling they have to rush towards endgame because the world is going to end any minute now. I have a PvP Linkshell and I enjoy grouping at lower Lvls. And I'm hoping that my concern which I expressed to SE is heard, so that they can get a better idea of what to add for content at Lv99. Until then, I'll be waiting.

Shot answer, Yes.

Long answer, You expressed nothing but "concern" where the game is heading, Theres nothing wrong with that, Its what these forums are for! However Until this very post you I haven't read a single positive thing about this game from you (Though, I haven't searched hard...).

I was only making the logical conclusion, through your own posts, That you do not enjoy the game in its current state. as such, one would suspect If someone so openly and loudly disliked a product, they would not be paying to use that product.

You also seem to be overusing the term "Troll". The problem with you (regarding this word only), and half of these forums regarding this word, is that your definition of troll is "Anyone who disagrees with me". Just because someone will always come and defend what is right, and use math to back up their opinion, does not deem them a troll.

You also express how this forum is distasteful, when you yourself have contributed to the unruly rabble that infests some threads on this forum. Including multiple passive shots at random other posters on this forum in topics not even related to them, Creating problems where none would normally be. This isn't always true, But i have witnessed it in a few threads.

You're entitled to continue playing, I was only giving you a second possible explanation for KORPGs post. Thats all.

[Akujima]

Shot answer, Yes.

Long answer, You express nothing but "concern" where the game is heading. Until this very post you I haven't read a single positive thing about this game from you (Though, I haven't searched hard...).

I was only making the logical conclusion, through your own posts, That you do not enjoy the game in its current state. as such, one would suspect If someone so openly and loudly disliked a product, they would not be paying to use that product.

You also seem to be overusing the term "Troll". The problem with you, and half of these forums regarding this word, is that your definition of troll is "Anyone who disagrees with me, and voices their opinion as well". You say you simply want to voice your opinion, while in turn, your second paragraph is basically a giant shot at anyone who in turn voices their opinions, different or similar, from your own. People who passionately disagree with you are not trolls, They are simply as assured in their way as you are in yours.

Basically, your post Is a hypocritical mess. You also express how this forum is distasteful, when you yourself have contributed to the unruly rabble that infests some threads on this forum. Including multiple passive shots at random other posters on this forum in topics not even related to them, Creating problems where none would normally be. This isn't always true, But i have witnessed it in a few threads.

You're entitled to continue playing, I was only giving you a second possible explanation for KORPGs post.


Listen. I ain't reading your post, because you're just trying to get me to quit the game or convince me to think of myself in a negative way. If you defend KORPG's post, then I'm grouping you in with him, simple as that.

I have my own viewpoint, you and KORPG have yours. Karb: If you don't want me to respond to you that way, then try not side with people who are just ganna get you caught in $#!%.


EDIT: I'll be in my PvP thread from now on.

[Karbuncle]

Listen. I ain't reading your post, because you're just trying to get me to quit the game or convince me to think of myself in a negative way. If you defend KORPG's post, then I'm grouping you in with him, simple as that.

I have my own viewpoint, you and KORPG have yours. Karb: If you don't want me to respond to you that way, then try not side with people who are just ganna get you caught in $#!%.

I'm not trying to get you to quit the game. Your absolutely wrong in that regard. You really should read before you may such a bold statement.

Just because you are so used to criticism does not mean you should assume everyone who responds to you is giving such.

I also have expressed that you're able to give your viewpoint, However I simply don't feel you should claim everyone a troll or respond with sarcastic rebuttal to every poster quoting you, like you have been.

[Greatguardian]

You didn't bold, underline, or italicize anything in your post Karb. Of course it won't get read.

[Korpg]

Listen. I ain't reading your post, because you're just trying to get me to quit the game or convince me to think of myself in a negative way. If you defend KORPG's post, then I'm grouping you in with him, simple as that.

I have my own viewpoint, you and KORPG have yours. Karb: If you don't want me to respond to you that way, then try not side with people who are just ganna get you caught in $#!%.


EDIT: I'll be in my PvP thread from now on.

Because everyone has a different point of view means you won't listen to them?

GG, did I do it right?

[wish12oz]

On the contrary. These forums are distasteful. Being filled with slime bucket elitists, who go around trolling everyone because they aren't PT'ing with bards, dancers and corsairs so they can hit 80% Haste Cap.

You don't need all that to reach 80% haste. This is the kind of thing the people you negatively call elitists come around and correct you on. It's not terrible to know how the game works so you can be more effective, you should really learn more about it so you don't spew this kind of nonsense all the time.

From my viewpoint:
The problem is, if I leave this statement out there and not correct it, people might think you actually need a bard, cor and dnc to cap haste, because that is what you are implying. I want to stop the spread of incorrect information, so I have to make a post and say this is wrong so people reading the thread and don't know that it is wrong will not believe it to be true. This in turn is good for the community as a whole, because now everyone is smarter, and won't over haste.

You call this trolling, but in actuality, trolling is you saying something so wrong to begin with, not me correcting you.

[Korpg]

Besides, what you say vs what everyone else says, who is SE going to listen?

[Malacite]

I think it's pretty safe to say Abyssea is done and over with.


How could it possibly continue? I'm guessing you either haven't beaten Shinryu yet, or are just blindly hoping for more. Either way it's very unlikely and I think we've had enough of it. MAYBE they could add a couple new zones for 99, but I'd rather we actually get some entirely new areas to visit rather than more rehashing of older zones.

Unless of course we get to go back in time once again, but to Al'Tieu before it was destroyed by Bahaut - I've always wanted to visit the Zilart Cities (and Tavnazia for that matter) before they fell into ruin.

[Zaknafein]

You seem to be saying this like we had such content at some point in time. I assure you, since 2006, everything has been easy. And for some people, it's been easy far longer then that.

Saying the abyssea era was equal to 75 content in terms of difficulty is silly. Was 75 content a breeze with the correct jobs, and players who had a clue sure. Was it equal to abyssea in terms of difficulty.. get real

[Soundwave]

I would hope to see this Roadmap content be based on how many people enter this type of area, so it can range to big HNNMLS and smaller groups of people but yet have somewhat even difficulty based on # of members in area or fighting that mob.

[Ryanx]

tired of abyssea atma / curor buffs have spoild people and made things easy like doing things out side of abyssea way more

[Ravenmore]

Really any noob could do all of the old endgame nothing has been hard since its strat was posted on wiki. Hardest part was and still is finding 5 to 17 other people that are not completly retarded.

[Greatguardian]

Really any noob could do all of the old endgame nothing has been hard since its strat was posted on wiki. Hardest part was and still is finding 5 to 17 other people that are not completly retarded.

Cannot be more true.

[Bumbeen]

Welcome to FFXI, where the core of the gameplay is waiting.

[Juilan]

It's awesome to hear that so many of you are enjoying all of the current Abyssea content and are craving more!

We spoke to the development team about whether new Abyssea zones would be added, but they said that they currently do not have any plans of doing so. No need to fret though, as there is still a ton of great content on the way as outlined in the road map!
needs stuff like improving lottery pop NMs, i really hate doing three hours in window for an NM to pop ... with a 5 min repop time

[Runespider]

It's awesome to hear that so many of you are enjoying all of the current Abyssea content and are craving more!

We spoke to the development team about whether new Abyssea zones would be added, but they said that they currently do not have any plans of doing so. No need to fret though, as there is still a ton of great content on the way as outlined in the road map!

Well thats a little sad to hear, I hope the dev team works on what has been a major success with Aby and not try to go back to the old ways at least. Old stuff worked at the time but Aby changed the game and the old way would cause riots now.

[Coldbrand]

You seem to be saying this like we had such content at some point in time. I assure you, since 2006, everything has been easy. And for some people, it's been easy far longer then that.
Yeah, I mean, all those times you beat AV and PW, sure was easy right? Right? Oh wait you're talking out of your ass.

[Ravenmore]

AV was not beatable. The 2hour trick SE posted in thier little vid was tested so many time it was shot down and flamed everytime it came. Turns out if you didn't hit your 2hour as soon as used it and wait that extra sec for it to show in log it was to late to lock. That was at best a gimic the player base rejected cause even finding a un bannable way to beat it SE changed the rules. After Perfect def was released AV became easy with us of smn. AV was downed hundreds of times in the first week that PD was out. PW was never endgame since it also used 4 rare drops need for mystic upgrades. Only fools wasted thier zeni to pop a mob that had crap gear not much better then other endgame gear. Every other endgame event outside of 2 gimic mobs was cake walk to beat. Only gimps had a hard time, even then they still seemed to do good enough.

[Arlan]

Well thats a little sad to hear, I hope the dev team works on what has been a major success with Aby and not try to go back to the old ways at least. Old stuff worked at the time but Aby changed the game and the old way would cause riots now.

I agree,
But I dont think SE is going the old route with FFXI.
They making different contents but its not going to be abyssea related.
It will be more accessible for majority to play and still enjoy character progression and gameplay.
So no need to worry.

[Ravenmore]

I don't know about that arlan they are already starting to back slide. Most of the gear for Voidwalker is side grade gear. Most of the player base might give it a try but with few worth wild rewards it'll die off. Sad to say that but thats the truth.

[Arlan]

No Your right about the reward from new content... Its crap.

What they should of done is made it that you have to do VoidWatcher to upgrade your AF3+2 into AF3+3.
Something like that would work very well. The content is good but the reward, not so much.

Also, for lvl99 cap new content with a reward of AF3+4 with TOTALLY NEW DESIGN would BE kick ass if they do that.
Content is fine just need to make reward worth doing in a way to not ditch AF3 from abyssea.

[Ravenmore]

Well it happen with Salvage as soon as they released AF2/AF1+1 bodys for blu. It kill my Salvage group as half of us were after a refresh body for blu. Why spend months trying to get 3 rare drops and mils of gil if a common drop existed in a completed state in another endgame. It will be really hard for SE to replace AF+2 as most jobs can now reach gear haste cap, and 2handers getting 5 hits builds. Still hate to be in thier place. Damned if they do and damned if they don't.

[Kimble]

I think most of the people that believe content at 75 was hard in challenging, most likely did not do said content with a solid group.

[wish12oz]

Yeah, I mean, all those times you beat AV and PW, sure was easy right? Right? Oh wait you're talking out of your ass.

Never had enough people/interest in beating PW, but AV, ya it was easy, wall of justice and prenerf KC DRK zerg kicked its butt. If anyone ever figured out how to lock it's 2 hours/prevent braclet mode/just prevent aeroga and meteor I'm sure it would of been killed legitly too.


I think most of the people that believe content at 75 was hard in challenging, most likely did not do said content with a solid group.

This.



Also, for lvl99 cap new content with a reward of AF3+4 with TOTALLY NEW DESIGN would BE kick ass

Just wanted to say I'm against the new design part. The rest I'm ok with.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

It's awesome to hear that so many of you are enjoying all of the current Abyssea content and are craving more!

We spoke to the development team about whether new Abyssea zones would be added, but they said that they currently do not have any plans of doing so. No need to fret though, as there is still a ton of great content on the way as outlined in the road map!

Thank god for that, Abyssea killed any skill needed in this game.

[Zaknafein]

I think most of the people that believe content at 75 was hard in challenging, most likely did not do said content with a solid group.

I think most of the people that so desperately want everyone to know "just" how easy content was for them @75 are more often than not the new age Elitest. Players who were for the most part average @75, and now that the abyssea easy mode has allowed them to wear af3+2s, and sport 2 empy's they've convinced themselves they were always godlike.

[Raxiaz]

I don't want to see more abyssean areas, I want to see new areas with new content that is superlative to Abyssea. I'm sick of spending ALL my time in Abyssea (literally).

[Kimble]

I think most of the people that so desperately want everyone to know "just" how easy content was for them @75 are more often than not the new age Elitest. Players who were for the most part average @75, and now that the abyssea easy mode has allowed them to wear af3+2s, and sport 2 empy's they've convinced themselves they were always godlike.

Yeah, that has to be it. A lot of people like to wear their nostalgic glasses when it comes to XI. Most everything was able to be done with a party of 6 at 75, only difference would be Einherjar that I can think off of the top of my head.

Do I think im better than anyone because I have AF3+2s and Empys? Nope. They are pretty easy to get when you surround your self with good people. Im not delusional and think its some major accomplishment.

[Zaknafein]

Yeah, that has to be it. A lot of people like to wear their nostalgic glasses when it comes to XI. Most everything was able to be done with a party of 6 at 75, only difference would be Einherjar that I can think off of the top of my head.

Do I think im better than anyone because I have AF3+2s and Empys? Nope. They are pretty easy to get when you surround your self with good people. Im not delusional and think its some major accomplishment.

Einherjar was one of if not my most favorite event. Wish they would add some relevant drops or trials maybe to revitalize it.

[Kimble]

Well, depending on how good the augments turn out to be for the gear, im sure it will renew peoples interest in it.

Im not apposed to things outside abyssea, or things using different strats. But im not going to kid myself into thinking it was all that much different in the 75 cap world.

[Olor]

The difference is new players can get involved in it without filling out application forms to join an LS. The difference is people can help others without wasting their own time. The difference is casual players can get decent gear in a reasonable amount of time.

All those things are awesome.

[Arlan]

Just wanted to say I'm against the new design part. The rest I'm ok with.

I'm confused... You don't like to see different designs on specific jobs on AF3+4 or AF3+3?
I think it be kinda neat to have a stronger Looking AF3+3 or AF3+4 to make your character not only feel stronger but looks stronger as well.

Upgrading is fun but seeing the changes on designs as you upgrade for stats just adds flavor in my opinion.

[Leonlionheart]

I'm confused... You don't like to see different designs on specific jobs on AF3+4 or AF3+3?
I think it be kinda neat to have a stronger Looking AF3+3 or AF3+4 to make your character not only feel stronger but looks stronger as well.

Upgrading is fun but seeing the changes on designs as you upgrade for stats just adds flavor in my opinion.

It probably takes a lot of resources to make 100 new models for every piece of already existing AF3 gear. I mean you have to think of what it would take in the Dev.'s eyes. Although if the relic/mythic/empyrean weapons alone got 'graphically' enhanced along with stats would worthwhile, considering all the time players put into relics/mythics/ and to a lesser extent empyreans.

[Akujima]

I'm confused... You don't like to see different designs on specific jobs on AF3+4 or AF3+3?
I think it be kinda neat to have a stronger Looking AF3+3 or AF3+4 to make your character not only feel stronger but looks stronger as well.

Upgrading is fun but seeing the changes on designs as you upgrade for stats just adds flavor in my opinion.

I agree with this. Visually interesting armor really makes a difference. It's important in an MMO.


It probably takes a lot of resources to make 100 new models for every piece of already existing AF3 gear. I mean you have to think of what it would take in the Dev.'s eyes. Although if the relic/mythic/empyrean weapons alone got 'graphically' enhanced along with stats would worthwhile, considering all the time players put into relics/mythics/ and to a lesser extent empyreans.

I'd be willing for them to take longer to release the Lv99 cap, if it meant more quality looking armor/weapons. I'm sure other people would be willing to wait longer as well, I don't see the point in rushing things.

[Arlan]

It probably takes a lot of resources to make 100 new models for every piece of already existing AF3 gear. I mean you have to think of what it would take in the Dev.'s eyes. Although if the relic/mythic/empyrean weapons alone got 'graphically' enhanced along with stats would worthwhile, considering all the time players put into relics/mythics/ and to a lesser extent empyreans.

Its not our job to go to the technical side of SE's dev team's recourses in what they can or cannot do.
It is our job, as gamers, to know what we want and do not want. Adding flavor is what we all want in a gameplay and contents. It is SE's job to provide us, not only good content for all of us to enjoy and have access to, but to put flavor to make them look and feel good.

Another words, Dont limit your wants from a game you are paying monthly for based on SE's technical problems that they may or may not have. Let your wants and imagination run whiled and let SE deal with the tech issue.

If you are concern of the dev recourses then don't be.
Cause its not our problem, its SE's.
All we need to do is let our voices be heard for what we expect and want from a game.

=)

[Arlan]

Dont forget, You are NOT making the game, They are.
You are just playing it.
We are the customers, and SE's job is to keep us happy with w/e we want or expect from a game we pay for.

[Bumbeen]

So you are the director now I see

[Zaknafein]

InB4 can I get new colors for my wyvern.....

[Luvbunny]

Please more of abyssea type content that cater to casual gamers, small party and solo type gameplay. There is no need to go back to the way it was, the old style is absurd, and way too grindy. The new contents are beyond amazing, a lot more fun to play and highly enjoyable!!

[Bumbeen]

Nyzul, assault, salvage were the best events in the game imo. Salvage could have used a little better drop rate.

I really miss needing 12+ people to farm and pop things too.

[Arlan]

12+ people to farm pop items? Hell no.
12+ people to kill a hard NM? sure why not!

As long as they give all sorts of players access to enjoy the content, I'm good.

Nyzul and Assaults are my favorite events but only thing that killed it for me was the "Tag ID per RL day".
The time sink just turned me off. Thats why I haven't reached captain yet lol.

I done salvage but I dont even remember it much so I got no opinions for it.
But in my opinion, I prefer doing heavy contents with 1-6 players.
idk thats just me tho/

[MarkovChain]

Please more of abyssea type content that cater to casual gamers, small party and solo type gameplay. There is no need to go back to the way it was, the old style is absurd, and way too grindy.

Except almost everything since 2006 was low man able (salvage, limbus, assault, znm, vnm, nyzul,MMM)
Except abyssea is nothing but a giant grind (75 dragua scale is for casual gamers guys)
Except abyssea is a giant dragon's aery where any ??? or NM is subjet to be you vs the other for poping the it or claiming it.

Please no more abyssea. Time limited zone and/or instance content. Mix current dynamis and salvage.

[Panthera]

Please, please, please, please let the next expansion be a real, full on expansion with new zones and mobs, complete story lines with characters you either love or hate, and playable content. You can and have had both before.

Abyssea only has the latter, but no fully developed, story-driven motivation to run around collecting area specific key items and easy to get trinkets that anyone can get.

I've picked up WotG missions again with a friend, and I've had more fun with it than I have a year plus of Abyssea. The cutscenes are exciting, I'm invested in the characters, and the battles actually mean something. I'd take beating this or something like it once over spamming some helpless NMs with 17 other people, anyday. I'd like for this to be an RPG again, not what it is now.

[Arlan]

Please, please, please, please let the next expansion be a real, full on expansion with new zones and mobs, complete story lines with characters you either love or hate, and playable content. You can and have had both before.

Abyssea only has the latter, but no fully developed, story-driven motivation to run around collecting area specific key items and easy to get trinkets that anyone can get.

I've picked up WotG missions again with a friend, and I've had more fun with it than I have a year plus of Abyssea. The cutscenes are exciting, I'm invested in the characters, and the battles actually mean something. I'd take beating this or something like it once over spamming some helpless NMs with 17 other people, anyday. I'd like for this to be an RPG again, not what it is now.

I like what it is now but I want what you pretty much just said.
They should make NExt expansion pack like WotG but where once you complete the whole storyline, then you get access to abyssea "Like" contents to further develop characters etc.

Only thing abyssea is good for mainly is character development, and fun, exciting NMs and brews and atmas, But over all, your right, it is missing a lot of motivation for the story.

I think the story/adventure/new mobs should come 1st before getting access to more character development contents like abyssea in my opinion. Give us a kick ass storyline to enjoy while taking our time progressing to the later contents to help make our characters stronger and take bigger NMs.