[Suggestion] Paid Race Change Program.

[Umichi]

As a taru drg myself, I can honestly say that when I go drg/rdm, I only need MP for the initial buffing. After that I only need enough MP for those occasional bar-spells, and to keep re-casting refresh. About 60 MP total should do it after you're buffed.

Like I said I prefer a style more along the lines of being being a mana tank. I have an Iridal staff for recharging while I'm out soloing, and my mana efficiency is pretty decent as you just stated. I spend a bit buffing up when I log on and then recharge. then I generally spend around 60 mp out doing stuff solo per situation~. Either I'm out at events that help me stay toped off, in which case I burn more mana buffing if ii'm in a group or I stay at cap and focus on fighting and healing via wyvern and keeping bar spells up along with haste for me and my wyvern...

[Camiie]

You haven't addressed any of the points I made, you just talk about why NPC's have one job. That is most likely because in the original game, most players had one or two jobs too, the game was structured around "oh I know <nameofperson> he's that <nameofjob> guy isn't he", in the original game people were known for their main job, coz it took you years to level, merit and gear it. Also making NPCs have one job saves on data space, it would be a frivolous waste if SE added multiple jobs to NPCs.

Of course it would, just as it would be a waste if they started randomly changing NPCs' genders and races. They're not going to do that so your concerns for the story's integrity are invalid. The thing is, the story is structured in such as a way as it doesn't matter what race or gender your character is. Even characters who probably should care don't seem to.


I can't really answer your post apart from that, as you have not refuted my points about stratified progressive rpg worlds, you just shuffled around them in a very vague way. Additionally, I don't care if SE add this or not. My game revolves around my ls and my friends, my crafting skills, and gear I still wish to obtain. This patch will not make me sad, I am 40 years old and it takes more than a v.up to make me unhappy, I was simply addressing the earlier points ppl made about "I don't see why not" and voicing my feelings as a lifelong roleplayer of 30+ years, that I feel people suddenly morphing species in a medieval rpg would be detrimental to the immersive and atmospheric storyline aspect.

If you don't care then why are you working so hard to make it harder for those who do?

[FrankReynolds]

FYI: SE can change the race, gender, name and just about anything about NPCs and well actually... the entire game without allowing us to change name, race or w/e other thing you are against. The two are completely unrelated. Hell, they could just pull the power plug if they wanted. There is absolutely nothing stopping them.

You still keep saying "reality" when there is none. For every example you give of something that (sorta) resembles something that takes place in real life, there are a million others that don't. What's real and what fits with the world of this RPG exists in your head. It's different for (most) other people. So different in fact that what you are saying sounds borderline insane.

Maybe my dolls' "Soul" is a transvestite. A big elvaan one with a pretty dress and a 5 o'clock shadow that likes to pretend it's a taru once in a while after drinking a few goblin juices. Who are you to judge? In my world (the real world, not FFXI) I can go get big fake boobs, ear and lip implants, tattoos and a dress, change my name to "Zoo Bamboo" and get married to another man if I want. It's your game "Reality" that is lacking. I don't recall any homophobic characters who were strictly against wearing disguises, changing race etc. This all fits fine everywhere but in your head.

[Demon6324236]

Nothing godly or immortal about that, because you are just the same as other mortal citizens, except you did a lot of training and found powerful artifacts in dungeons.Immortal (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/immortal)
1. not mortal; not liable or subject to death; undying: our immortal souls.

Yes, I say we are immortal, why? Because like you said, we trained to become stronger than Shop keepers and such, yay, but if we take off our armor, hell, if we just walk up to a bunny at level 1 and die, guess what, we come back at our local crystal, but if some NPC did it, they died, forever, never to return. As you pointed out, we do not die, we get knocked out, no matter if we get hit with a comet, meteor, large explosion, a giant dragon swinging its tail at us which should break every bone in our body, nothing kills us, it only knocks us out. So yes, I think we are immortal, not only have we lived since we made our characters, without any signs of aging, illness, or death, but we have managed to survive things no one else can. If we are really the same as someone else at level 1, we would not be come back so easily, we could not 'survive' these things in that way without immortality. Now, being immortal does not mean your impossible to beat, no, just because we can not die does not prevent loss of consciousness, injury, or anything of the sort, immortality simply means, we can not die, and in our characters cases, we can not truly die.

[Demon6324236]

> Time Travel : Without wanting to add spoilers, WOTG doesn't have time-travel, the maws are mirror images of a certain NM seen near the end of the story. It is his power that distorts time. Not the power of adventurers. See below for why gods such as that NM are realistic not fantasy.No one said it was by our power.


>Gods : Earth has Gods too. People in Greece still worship the Ancient Greek gods. People in Scandinavia still worship their ancient gods. See also Native Americans, Mexicans, Amazons, Australian Abo's, and of course the mainstream Churches/Mosques etc. You might not believe in those gods, but other people on Earth do, ergo gods in Vanadiel is realism not fantasy, it mirrors Earth.Um, no, see, there is a real difference here. I can not fight the devil, which is basically Promathia in a way since I believe he is the 'evil' god, in Vana, I can fight Promathia, I kill him, I saw his physical existence and battled him. When people start killing or beating the hell out of the Devil in real life and posting it on youtube, maybe we can get to say its the same. Till then, no, we may believe in gods, but there is a difference between believing in a god, and meeting a god in a real physical form of which they can kick your ass, and vice versa.


>Alternate realities ; many people on Earth claim to have experienced these on psychedelics or on hospital medications, under hypnosis, through dance and meditation. Ergo, realism not fantasy.Except, these are all instances that take place outside of the real world as we know it. When you have one of these experiences you bring nothing back with you except memories, nothing that is physical. On the other hand, Delve, does not take place in Vana, Skirmish, does not take place in Vana, Abyssea, not Vana, all of these are other realities, other dimensions, and all of them are places we can get items and bring them back. Your comparison has failed.


This is your alarm call. Beastmen mage NM's and other NM's were casting ALL of the player-character magics, plus Holy II, Dia 3, and Banishga IV etc.etc.etc. before we got them (and still haven't got some of their spells).
You need to accept the fact that our enemies in Vanadiel possess incredibly powerful magic, greater than our own in many cases. And that IF the 'change-race' magic was possible, beastmen and other NMs would stop at nothing to obtain it, it would mean an End To War, they could simply change to human/etc. clones are infiltrate our cities. It would be a massacre. If you really believe that they could not learn that magic, when they have already got magics we don't have, and if you believe that NMs and beastmen leaders fear dying from spell-side-effects, for the cause of victory, then you are really lost.Yay, they can cast it, at the penalty of death, does this keep going over your head or something?


Moving to a new city is NOT the same as changing your racial birth DNA and your whole ancestry. Keep grasping.No, its something in game you can change after you get it when you make your character, just one thing can be changed and one thing cant because you like one of them, and think its fine, while the other is horrible. You make it sound like its impossible to have magic that does this, transformation magic is one of the most common kinds of magic in RPGs, like, I dunno, the potions and such which let me morph into other creatures? Have you ever bought an Orc Belt? Quadav Belt? They exist, they let you change into that race, temporarily yes, and only for looks, but guess what, there you are, you look different. Could it be possible to get a more permanent version? I think so, yes, not to beastmen necessarily, but you keep talking about changing out birth DNA like its some huge matter of importance.


They are patching REMs soon to make them parallel to Delve weaps. You could have saved yourself typing all that stuff out coz it is not current at all.I said they originally had no plans to do differently, I know they do now. The point I was making of which you ignored, they have no problems pissing a few people off if it allows the game to move forward. If a few people get pissed they made a new character to work on because they no longer wanted to be what they were, and want to get mad about it, they can come here and complain. If there is some large uprising about it, it would probably change like RMEs did, but unless that happened, I say we advanced, rather than taking a step backward or staying at a stand still.

[Camiie]

If they don't care about their race/gender, why are they so vocal about changing it, and calling ppl who disagree 'idiots' etc. You make no sense at all.

I was talking about the NPCs not caring what race/gender the PCs are.

[Soulnub]

You think that because I feel a proposed 'feature' is dumb that I am exhibiting 'negative behaviour'? Well, despite your pompous and condescending way of putting that, you'd be right. I have a negative opinion of this suggestion. I therefore display some negative behaviour by posting that I have a negative opinion of this silly suggestion.

There needs to be some kind of reality in the fantasy of the game. People don't suddenly change races. There could be no possible logical explanation for people to suddenly switch their race to another. Not even some kind of powerful magic, moogle or otherwise, could possibly stretch to explain this huge gaping hole in suspended disbelief. You'd probably have to get Altana herself to cry some tears on you to have your race changed.

So yes, changing races is dumb. Changing names and hairstyles can be explained within the context of the game. Changing races cannot be.



I know this is an old topic and this... lets say argument may or may not have been resolved, but with what you were saying regarding race change being impossible, my only counter-argument, is the ark weapons. the weapons, when used, change your character with a costume. i know its temporary but it does kinda render your point invalid. if it can be done temporarily, then it can eventually be permanent.

on a related note, to whoever says people can't change their face or name irl, you can, through plastic surgery and the legal system.

[Yoruichi]

That would be Feature in the game to be able to change your race and or name. i would pay good money to change my race in Final Fantasy XI. i don't know why they wouldn't implement that in the game they would make a lot more money if they did because if it was me i don't care about the price i would pay $15-$50 to change my race and or name.

[Cesil]

I don't know if bumping already made threads or making a new one is better, but I just wanted to chime in and say I would gladly pay for a race change in this game! I don't want to start over as I've been playing since alpha.

I've paid for race change so many times in FFXIV and would gladly do so in FFXI.

[Pixela]

It's surprising to me that they don't get how many people would use this.

[Cesil]

It's surprising to me that they don't get how many people would use this.

Yeah, they would make so much money. One of my friends alone changes race like 10x+ a week in FFXIV and I know he'd do it in XI too haha.

[Haldarn]

I'm sad enough that I'd change to a female character just so I could get that one additional San d'Orian quest title that male characters can't...

[Alhanelem]

Yeah, they would make so much money. One of my friends alone changes race like 10x+ a week in FFXIV and I know he'd do it in XI too haha.
I honestly do not know anyone this indecisive. But you've really got to have a ton of disposable income to want to change your character (outside of glamour) once a day or more. I know one or two people who change it every week or two, but none more than that. I've only changed twice- using up the fantasias I got for free - when the Au Ra came out and when Hrothgar came out (Was super happy to finally see a less humany-race become available in the game, which is wh y I went with Galka in XI- but the roegadyn, despite being based on the Galka, did away with the things that made me like the race which is why I switched the first time.

You'd think after enough daily character changes they'd find a setup they'd fall in love with.

[Pixela]

People don't know what hyperbole is online.

Worth adding of course that something like this would not just be to change form one race to another but head swaps / hair swaps too. It would also usher in the possibility of unique hair styles and those would be used a lot more than race swaps.

[Zehira]

No one is going to be a beauty pageant winner in Vana'diel. lol

My friends from FFXIV change their characters all the time yet mine hasn't changed. It's such a trauma I feel sorry for them. :( I like my white hair. She is so exotic.

If anything that helps FFXI I am all for it.

[Pixela]

Please find a way to add this to the game, there are plenty of ways to add this that are not requiring of a complex UI and automated system being added. Think outside of the box to add this to the game and players would 100% be willing to pay a premium to have race/ hair swaps.

Not only is this a ridiculous wasted opportunity to make extra revenue, it is something a lot of players really want.

It does not have to be automated and I know this is why there is resistance because it would all have to be programmed, you could have it be done manually via a GM call or hire someone specifically to do it or allow a GM to make overtime money twice a month or something for $20.

[Gwydion]

Please find a way to add this to the game, there are plenty of ways to add this that are not requiring of a complex UI and automated system being added. Think outside of the box to add this to the game and players would 100% be willing to pay a premium to have race/ hair swaps.

Not only is this a ridiculous wasted opportunity to make extra revenue, it is something a lot of players really want.

It does not have to be automated and I know this is why there is resistance because it would all have to be programmed, you could have it be done manually via a GM call or something for $20.


+1. This could be done with no frills or lore. Just let us change race from the character select screen?

[Zehira]

Hmm, let's use some old fashioned programming techniques. I think it is possible to be done via a website just like world transfers. Data swaps in the database.

I don't really expect it to happen. A lot of work to do like replacing gender-locked/race-locked gears such as swimsuits and other things.

[Cesil]

In 2006, I didn't know what job I would end up liking, so I picked Hume as "safe" race since they have AVG stats, this is no longer matter and a lot of people have the same issue now, stuck with a mistake we made +15 years ago...it's about time we have such option IMO.

This is exactly what I did too. I picked a Hume because the guide book I got said they are basically a jack of all trades. Now that they changed the race stats and it's not like it once was, I'd rather be what I originally wanted to be.

It's high time they give this as an option.

[Alhanelem]

The only attribute where race impact was significant was HP and MP. Also I got ridiculed early on for playing summoner on a galka but the reality is having a lower INT didn't really affect summoner at all, the MP was a bit of an issue but they minimized racial differences quite a while ago.

[Cesil]

The only attribute where race impact was significant was HP and MP. Also I got ridiculed early on for playing summoner on a galka but the reality is having a lower INT didn't really affect summoner at all, the MP was a bit of an issue but they minimized racial differences quite a while ago.

I remember at Fafnir/Nidhogg BRD/SMN Galka's did not have the MP for AA. But yeah a galka could play SMN just fine, they just had less MP so it could cause problems for them sometimes, but it wasn't impossible haha.

I also remember taru PLD's having amazing MP and loved exping with them because they could heal themselves so much better and never ran out of MP. Race stats back then made a pretty big difference. I was impressed SE managed to do that, but now they took it away no?

[Kawar]

Hmmm, probably it's the word "Paid" that people do not like much but in many other games, optional services aren't free, so why would SE make free of a "vanity" service like this one ? It would be stupid no ?

agreed i hate the idea of paying for it. but I understand it and agree with doing it if its needed.

we all ready pay to move to new servers so why not help keep the game alive if we had to pay for a race change something like 5-6 dollars i could live with.


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I remember at Fafnir/Nidhogg BRD/SMN Galka's did not have the MP for AA. But yeah a galka could play SMN just fine, they just had less MP so it could cause problems for them sometimes, but it wasn't impossible haha.

I also remember taru PLD's having amazing MP and loved exping with them because they could heal themselves so much better and never ran out of MP. Race stats back then made a pretty big difference. I was impressed SE managed to do that, but now they took it away no?

They did not take it away really. Its just that thinks like +VIT in my case cuss i am a PLD matters very little now when I can have a full DT or near Full DT set and it works better then 3-4 VIT gives 1 more def point.

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This is exactly what I did too. I picked a Hume because the guide book I got said they are basically a jack of all trades. Now that they changed the race stats and it's not like it once was, I'd rather be what I originally wanted to be.

It's high time they give this as an option.Mistake please explain a little more my friend. Yes I am Hume and I agree I did it as the safe bet as well as at the time i feel like it was the best over all race. I still feel that way about the race but being able to change to a little guy for a month and then go back would be nice. I chould try out the path of run out of mp your crazy type of thing.

BUT I CANT LOSE ALL THE WORK I DID ON MY GUY AS IT IS NOW THOUGHT

[Kawar]

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merged to keep things in 1 place sorry SE did not think about it at the time

[Kawar]

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merged to keep things in 1 place sorry SE did not think about it at the time

[Beastorizer]

Pretty sure there is an excuse for them not to make easy money....
I would buy a few of these for sure.
Paid race change are in the other mmo; 14 is one of them.

[Cesil]

Pretty sure there is an excuse for them not to make easy money....
I would buy a few of these for sure.
Paid race change are in the other mmo; 14 is one of them.

Yep, I've lost count how many fantasias I bought haha. I'll gladly buy them in this game as well.

No one should have to start over just to change their race IMHO. SE would make a lot more money.

[Monsuta_Man]

Greetings,

I apologize that I can't say much but we would like to thank you for your suggestions to allow race changes as well as alter other character features. This feedback is being taken into consideration. :)

https://i.imgflip.com/5eba03.jpg

[Cesil]

Any update on this? Please add this feature SE ^^

[Zaine]

Oh man this would be a welcomed feature. They really should do it! I know of a few people who want to be something else but want to keep all the progress they have made.

[Cesil]

Bumppp...SE please give us this feature like we have in FFXIV! ; ;

[Gwydion]

Me too! I'd pay for a race change as well!

[Cesil]

Bump.

Still no reply or update with this? C'mon SE. :(

[Dzspdref]

Hint: This has been answered WAY too many times in the past already.
They cannot do it. They won't do it. Should have been an end of discussion a LOOOOOONG time ago.

[Monsuta_Man]

They can do it, just a matter of if they want to do it. In my humble opinion, they are still wondering why people are playing ffxi and have not moved to ffxiv.

Because xi is their best multiplayer game, duuuuhhhhh

[Cesil]

They can do it, just a matter of if they want to do it. In my humble opinion, they are still wondering why people are playing ffxi and have not moved to ffxiv.

Because xi is their best multiplayer game, duuuuhhhhh

Yeah, they can do it. It's definitely possible, just dunno why they won't allow it. If they added 8 paid wardrobes and need money, I've no clue why they won't add something like a fantasia for FFXI, they'd make so much more money.

[Cesil]

Hint: This has been answered WAY too many times in the past already.
They cannot do it. They won't do it. Should have been an end of discussion a LOOOOOONG time ago.

For the fantasia to come out in FFXIV, one of my friends made a thread and it was bumped daily and people begged for it, Yoshida eventually made it possible :)

[Alhanelem]

Hint: This has been answered WAY too many times in the past already.
They cannot do it. They won't do it. Should have been an end of discussion a LOOOOOONG time ago.
They never actually said they couldn't do it.

As far as I can recall, they've said that it would be difficult to impllement or something like that, but they never flat out said no.


For the fantasia to come out in FFXIV, one of my friends made a thread and it was bumped daily and people begged for it, Yoshida eventually made it possible :)Fantasia was always planned, frankly. 1.x players were all given a free one due to changes made to the core races and the addition of female Roe.

[Cesil]

They never actually said they couldn't do it.

As far as I can recall, they've said that it would be difficult to impllement or something like that, but they never flat out said no.

Fantasia was always planned, frankly. 1.x players were all given a free one due to changes made to the core races and the addition of female Roe.

It wasn't planned as a paid feature iirc and to add additional ones to buy whenever, and I can prolly find where they said it was not planned to be a paid feature, but it was only added to the mog station because people were begging for it on the forums, it was just a one time offer for 1.x players since they added new races like you said :) That is what Yoshida said during the live letters and interviews too!

They did say no in a reddit interview back in 2019 sadly - https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxi/comments/4ulgh1/official_ffxi_developer_ama_with_producer_akihiko/d5qo7ww/

but things can change, one can hope ; ; and keep nagging on the forum I guess haha.

[Alhanelem]

Fair enough, though that post was 6 years ago.

It's always been my opinion that people should think more carefully about their appearance and not need to change it later, and "making important choices' has been a running theme in the game. But it seems like as the years go buy we as humans have become more and more indecisive for some reason lol

[Cesil]

Fair enough, though that post was 6 years ago.

It's always been my opinion that people should think more carefully about their appearance and not need to change it later, and "making important choices' has been a running theme in the game. But it seems like as the years go buy we as humans have become more and more indecisive for some reason lol

Haha that is true! I notice folks are more indecisive now as well.

I always regretted my choice of race since the games release in 2002, however, back then when I got all the avatars (before the forks came out, and I did all the fame, took FOREVER) for my SMN, I was like, nah I am not going to restart just to be the blonde pig tailed mithra. I always wanted to change but just couldn't bring myself to start over back in the day. I suppose now it's not so bad, but I have so many REMA and rare items that I can't trade if I started over, that I can't do it :(

[Pixela]

Would it be possible to add an item that allows race/gender change, similar to FFXIV's Fantasia system?


[–]FFXI_DevelopmentTeam[S] 83 points 5 days ago

A: While it is possible, we learned that we would have to revamp several aspects of the backend. We would need to see if there’s enough demand to justify the development costs.


Ok so add a questionnaire on the playonline website asking if people would use it, or something?

You know we want this, and you should know people will use it more than once.

Can we have it?

[Monsuta_Man]

You would not know if there is a demand for something, unless you sell it. This translates to "We don't want to do it"

How many movies, consoles, among other things were hyped up by the masses only to flop.

[Alhanelem]

You would not know if there is a demand for something, unless you sell it. This translates to "We don't want to do it"

How many movies, consoles, among other things were hyped up by the masses only to flop.
Sure you can know. Polls. Surveys. Player behavior. It doesn't translate to that in any way. You counter your own argument by comparing to bad movies. They could also have conducted studies to see if their movie was a good idea in the first place before making it.

It doesn't take a degree in data analysis.

[Immortal]

They dont want to do anything!! Jeeze, even something that will MAKE THEM MONEY, they are weasling their way out of it. So sick of this

[Alhanelem]

They dont want to do anything!! Jeeze, even something that will MAKE THEM MONEY, they are weasling their way out of it. So sick of this
Everything has a cost associated with it. Companies will do something called a "Cost-benefit analysis." And if that analysis concludes that the costs are too high for the potential benefits, then it doesn't make sense to do the thing.

In this case, I can only hypothesize that the benefits are seen as smaller than they would be in FFXIV, which has a lot more character customization options than FFXI, so they expect fewer people would make use of it since there aren't as many changes they could make. and "revamping aspects of the backend" certainly makes it seem like a non-trivial task to implement. Thus they would need the demand to be fairly consierable for the benefits to be worth the costs.

Companies will do anything that will make them more money, so obviously if they're resistant to the idea, it means they don't think it will make enough to be worthwhile. By contrast, everyone's been begging for more inventory space since forever, so that's a comparatively easy sell for many people.

[Pixela]

I think it's possible they are afraid doing this would make people lose their bond with their characters, however that's not how it works.

[Alhanelem]

I think it's possible they are afraid doing this would make people lose their bond with their characters, however that's not how it works.

The game was originally designed with the mindset that players should make real, impactful decisions about their characters, which is why you typically can't change or undo stuff. The trouble is mainly that we're really indecisive creatures.

In my case though- even if I wanted to change, there aren't a lot of options for me to switch to. FFXI's character customization is extremely limited compared to other games today.

[Zyphon]

Just adding another “I would pay for this” post.

[Elkanah]

11/10 would pay for changes of fantasia. I mean... I spend a small set of funds for fantasias on xiv as is (swapping between my mood of miqote, au ra, and vierra) from time to time. I'd kill for a fantasia change JUST ONCE on XI XD

[Pixela]

They could add recolor hair styles that you can only access from this too. For instance a black haired Mithra.

[Zehira]

There's a private server already does that and it's far from the perfection. Your character must be unequipped fully (because of RSE gears) and exit the game before you can change your race and appearance.

I don't know if you could change your name. A lot of players would want to change their names.

[Pixela]

I forgot about that, no doubt that's part of the reason it's been difficult to add.

They could add an npc, that when you talk to it it send you to a goal type area with one room and when inside it performs a remove all gear action as happens in old Salvage. Then tell you to logoff before it performs the account change.

[Zehira]

Yeah, it has to be done on the website.

[Tidemaker]

I'd pay for a name change as well.

You can sorta do this already via world transfer, if you transfer your char to another world then create another with the same name in the server you left, wait 3 days time before you can transfer back and it will force you to change your name as a character with the same name “your mule” already exist in that server. It’s the same concept when we were all force into a new server and had to change our names cause someone there already had it. Costly but if you wait until discount then it’s not so bad for a whole new name :) then just delete the mule and done

[Pixela]

I really wish they would tell us if they plan to do things in advance, as it always works they decide to do something and say nothing until a few days before adding it. I get why they do it this way it's still annoying.

[Cesil]

When they said in the AMA they would add it if there was enough "want" for it (paraphrasing, mind you) how do they determine the desire for this? Like others have mentioned, a quick google search can show you private servers do this, while it may not be simple and easy, it's possible.

I wish they would add this feature already, I've wanted to be a mithra for so long now and would easily pay the same price or whatever for a fantasia type item :(


There's a private server that already does that and it's far from the perfection. Your character must be unequipped fully (because of RSE gears) and exit the game before you can change your race and appearance.

I don't know if you could change your name. A lot of players would want to change their names.

In FFXIV we also have to remove every piece of equipment, log out, then relog in and wait to be promoted to change our race. Forgive me if I am missing something, but that sounds exactly like how FFXIV does it, is there anything different between the two?

[Zehira]

When they said in the AMA they would add it if there was enough "want" for it (paraphrasing, mind you) how do they determine the desire for this? Like others have mentioned, a quick google search can show you private servers do this, while it may not be simple and easy, it's possible.

I wish they would add this feature already, I've wanted to be a mithra for so long now and would easily pay the same price or whatever for a fantasia type item :(



In FFXIV we also have to remove every piece of equipment, log out, then relog in and wait to be promoted to change our race. Forgive me if I am missing something, but that sounds exactly like how FFXIV does it, is there anything different between the two?

Both basically the same thing. I am a 3D modder of XIV. I don't publish my stuff, I just do it for fun. But if you have your RSE equipped before you change your race then your account can be damaged forever. I remember a Lamia in Besieged magically removed all of your equipment. Maybe SE can use that feature for changing the character's appearance depending on the development costs.

[Alhanelem]

They wouldn't do something juryrigged like that. If they can't do it properly, they aren't going to do it.

[Zehira]

They wouldn't do something juryrigged like that. If they can't do it properly, they aren't going to do it.

Never say never, Mr. Naysayer.

Cheapness is do it to let players change through webpages. Since we can't look into a closed source software to figure out what, SQL isn't hard to learn. You are right, they shouldn't make the same mistake as the lottery system for buying a house in XIV.

If SE isn't going to do it, then maybe they need to stop crawling into my account to see what alts I have and say "Oh I know what Zehira likes most so I am gonna change my character."

[Pixela]

Also needs to be kept in mind that people do this more than once, people like to have changes of hairstyles of body size or whatever.

I know the developers think this won't really be worth the cost but if done correctly it would be a profitable thing.

[Alhanelem]

Also needs to be kept in mind that people do this more than once, people like to have changes of hairstyles of body size or whatever.

I know the developers think this won't really be worth the cost but if done correctly it would be a profitable thing.


FFXI just really doesn't have enough customization options for people to want to change it all the time.

[Cesil]

FFXI just really doesn't have enough customization options for people to want to change it all the time.

You'd be surprised how often people would change things about their character if they could. I've one friend who made like 3 different female hume's because he couldn't pick one. If given the chance, he would quite possibly race change a lot. I get your point but never underestimate how many times people would change things if given an option.

It's funny because people on the FFXIV forum complain that there aren't more customization options, it's like...in FFXI, we just want to be able to change race!

[Alhanelem]

You'd be surprised how often people would change things about their character if they could.What I'm saying is many people change their appearance often in FFXIV because there's a lot of hairstyles, face paints and other options and you can come up with something unique every time. FFXIV just has a handful of hairstyles in two colors for each gender of each race, and small/medium/large size. That's it. People will only do it so many times because it won't take them that long to try everything.

[Cesil]

What I'm saying is many people change their appearance often in FFXIV because there's a lot of hairstyles, face paints and other options and you can come up with something unique every time. FFXIV just has a handful of hairstyles in two colors for each gender of each race, and small/medium/large size. That's it. People will only do it so many times because it won't take them that long to try everything.

I get you...and yet at the same time, I personally know several individuals who would change race every other day. They do it in FFXIV and not for the hairstyles/eye color etc, they do it for the race. Regardless though, I wish SE would follow up with their answer on the reddit AMA, how do they plan on "if there is enough demand"? Do the community folks even read/post here anymore? I honestly have no clue.

[Sp1cyryan]

XI is not XIV.
Devs answered this with a "maybe, but probably no."
Not sure what else there is to have 32 more pages on the subject about.

[Alhanelem]

XI is not XIV.
Tell me something I don't know.

The point is, I just don't see the viable market for a feature like this when this game doesn't offer a lot in the way of character customization options. Now, if they added more hair/head satyles, maybe, but I doubt that will happen either.

[Sp1cyryan]

Tell me something I don't know.

The point is, I just don't see the viable market for a feature like this when this game doesn't offer a lot in the way of character customization options. Now, if they added more hair/head satyles, maybe, but I doubt that will happen either.

They could do that, but after the 20th anniversary interviews, live stream, and AMA, we know it's highly unlikely.

At this point XI is like walking up to a former samurai during the Meiji era. That is selling roasted eel on a stick with a small cart on the side of the road. Could they do something else? Absolutely, but they are just going to sell some roasted eel kabob until they can't sell it anymore. That, and talk about what it meant to reach this point. Doesn't matter what happens around them. Doesn't matter if RMT and bots terrorize the country side. It is just roasted eel on a stick, and call it a day.

[KingOfVanadiel]

XI is not XIV.
Devs answered this with a "maybe, but probably no."
Not sure what else there is to have 32 more pages on the subject about.

i tried to find the post i replied to you but you got too many. i can't find it. i can't believe square enix don't have notifications for when people reply and quote you on forums. well either im not even coming back to see this reply. no need to reply except its just for the audience.

[Alhanelem]

This is a really old forum system, it was used by like everyone years ago but now it's definitely quite dated.