View Full Version : Different zones for empyrean bosses
svengalis
05-12-2011, 08:56 AM
Something needs to be done to counter the overcamping and monopolizing of empyrean NM. You have ls's farming these NM all day with no regard to others in zone. Sobek and carrabosse are heavily camped. I don't know who's bright idea it was to add +2 body pieces to these NM as if we needed another reason for a ls to farm these all day. Why not add more NM for+2, why use existing NM?
svengalis
05-12-2011, 09:00 AM
Empyrean NM need to be instanced pops in a different zone after you farm all the ki from them.
Tamoa
05-12-2011, 10:00 PM
Yet another thread complaining about the same things from you. You must have one hell of a hard time getting that Kannagi?
I don't think it's such a bad thing that SE added +2 items to the stage 1 empyrean weapon NMs. It should give more of an incentive for people to help those making an empyrean.
Empyrean NM need to be instanced pops in a different zone after you farm all the ki from them.
No thanks. That would make us waste a lot of stones since there would be no point in building any time. Like we do when in Tahrongi: build lights quickly, most often by pearl/azure killing the NMs we need, then cleave until we have about 300mins or so. That leaves us plenty of time to kill the rest of the necessary key item NMs, and however many Glavoids we have pops for. And anything else we might feel like doing - Lacovie, T3 vnm, whatever.
Having to change zone to pop and kill Glavoid after getting all the pop sets, would suck.
Dfoley
05-13-2011, 01:18 AM
My problem isnt with carabosse. Its the rude people who show up as thf/nin with a whm bot and sit there trying to solo the fly/baba for 30 minutes and still dont get the trigger.
For the love of god, accept my party invite, let me trigger red for you and kill the mob so it doesnt waste 30 minutes of my time.
Also, it makes me really sad to see people still using claim bots to to trade to ??? faster.
svengalis
05-13-2011, 04:17 AM
Tamoa not necessarily leave the zone after you got all ki but you should have to zone your whole party into a different part of the zone for boss fight so one, people don't have to wait for you and two you can't monopolize a NM spawn from other players. I shouldn't have to fight other players over the ??? I once again quit my briareus and sobek yesterday because ls monopolize NM.
Had an alliance claim guk, pop sobek, had kannagi nin soloing sobek so rest of alliance could claim on guk. That is not right. This is becoming a everyday all day thing something needs to change.
GlobalVariable
05-13-2011, 04:22 AM
Tamoa not necessarily leave the zone after you got all ki but you should have to zone your whole party into a different part of the zone for boss fight so one, people don't have to wait for you and two you can't monopolize a NM spawn from other players. I shouldn't have to fight other players over the ??? I once again quit my briareus and sobek yesterday because ls monopolize NM.
Had an alliance claim guk, pop sobek, had kannagi nin soloing sobek so rest of alliance could claim on guk. That is not right. This is becoming a everyday all day thing something needs to change.
You mean kind of like an in abyssea BCNM? Like how 3 groups could enter Fiat Lux and technically be in the same zone.
Greatguardian
05-13-2011, 04:23 AM
Get. The. Crap. Over. It.
Christ, this is worse than Malacite.
On topic (if you can call this a topic): I've participated in the completion of 3 Bri/Sob Empyreans under heavy competition and finished them just fine without the use of any claim/??? bots. Suck less than the other guy and you're fine. Suck more than the other guy and you won't get a weapon, but the other guy would be putting it to better use anyways since they suck less. It's a pretty snazzy system.
inb4 Everyone who claims faster than me bots/People bot in Abyssea/People bot ???s/I don't know how bots work
Something needs to be done to counter the overcamping and monopolizing of empyrean NM. You have ls's farming these NM all day with no regard to others in zone. Sobek and carrabosse are heavily camped. I don't know who's bright idea it was to add +2 body pieces to these NM as if we needed another reason for a ls to farm these all day. Why not add more NM for+2, why use existing NM?
People who are killing Sobek all day aren't there for +2 body pieces FYI.
Aliekber
05-13-2011, 04:48 AM
People who are killing Sobek all day aren't there for +2 body pieces FYI.
Those +2 items sure make it easier to get your help to stick around, though!
Glamdring
05-13-2011, 05:03 AM
other than helping a bud it's the only reason I can see to be there. Especially considerring that the empy stuff I need isn't even on the table. Getting to be too much like HNMLS crap out there, where the entire shell is there for the sole purpose of getting the leader UBER gear on every job and the rest of the LS gets squat. That's why I couldn't care less about every relic/mythic whiner on this forum; YOU didn't go to all the work of getting it, your GROUP did, you're just the only one with anything to show for it.
Novati
05-13-2011, 05:54 AM
SE need to come up with alternative methods of obtaining the emp weapon upgrade items especially for the more popular ones. Thats what I hoped the new battlefields would have helped with. It was kind of silly of SE to start off these weapons with teaming up and sharing kill credits in the initial trials and then turning everyone ruthless, greedy and against each other.
They should have kept that approach through all the trails and used the ex items as a means to allow certain people finish alittle faster so they'd still have that special feeling of having something not everyone has yet. Instead people who can't handle competion have wasted their time getting the trial weapon upto a certain point only to have their hopes crushed.
At least with relics and mythic weapons people had a fair chance given the effort without needing to compete against other people. SE really messed up Empyreans in that sense and need to give everyone a fair equal chance without easing the amount of effort required to obtain them.
Secondplanet
05-13-2011, 06:21 AM
i think a fair solution to this would be to limit people to gaining the KI from any NM to once a day to stop the constant LS claiming the same NM with the same 3 ppl so they can pop NM and run back to claiming. Next i like the idea of a BCNM area where you use your KI's for an inclosed arena and fight your NM with out the Vultures lurking over you or even worst standing right in the middle of your party to clog up you screen.
Greatguardian
05-13-2011, 06:28 AM
Once a day per person? Minimum two months to solo an Empyrean 85?
No.
Tsukino_Kaji
05-13-2011, 06:29 AM
Once a day per person? Minimum two months to solo an Empyrean 85?
No.All of the relic complainers would like it. lol
Greatguardian
05-13-2011, 06:33 AM
All of the relic complainers would like it. lol
All of the relic complainers can dealwithit.jpg.
Yinnyth
05-13-2011, 07:19 AM
Competition?! In FFXI?! My gracious me, what's next? Some sort of "hyper notorious monster" with some sort of "Harold-Gator" which people have to "monster player kill" one another in order to get?
Competition has always been a part of the endgame. Limited income of items because the game shouldn't be flooded with the ultimate item so everyone is running around triple-wielding relics, mythics, and empyreans. This results in people vying for control over the income. I assure you the people who are wasting your time are every bit as upset at you for wasting their time. Yeah, it's possible some people have some sort of unfair advantage with claim bots, but as far as linkshells go: more manpower, more capability, get a linkshell of your own. The thing you get to look forward to sometime this month: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/7597-May-2011-Additional-Version-Updates
•Additional "???" which can be used to spawn certain notorious monsters will be placed.
I wonder how many more threads I'll get to post that quote on before the update actually hits...
svengalis
05-13-2011, 07:49 AM
Competition?! In FFXI?! My gracious me, what's next? Some sort of "hyper notorious monster" with some sort of "Harold-Gator" which people have to "monster player kill" one another in order to get?
Competition has always been a part of the endgame. Limited income of items because the game shouldn't be flooded with the ultimate item so everyone is running around triple-wielding relics, mythics, and empyreans. This results in people vying for control over the income. I assure you the people who are wasting your time are every bit as upset at you for wasting their time. Yeah, it's possible some people have some sort of unfair advantage with claim bots, but as far as linkshells go: more manpower, more capability, get a linkshell of your own. The thing you get to look forward to sometime this month: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/7597-May-2011-Additional-Version-Updates
I wonder how many more threads I'll get to post that quote on before the update actually hits...
What new ways were added to obtain empyrean upgrades?
Never mind this was for armor not weapons....
Greatguardian
05-13-2011, 07:51 AM
What new ways were added to obtain empyrean upgrades?
It's for a future update later in May...
svengalis
05-13-2011, 07:55 AM
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svengalis
05-13-2011, 07:57 AM
It's for a future update later in May...
hmm well we will see what it holds.
Coops
05-13-2011, 08:13 AM
Let me get this straight. You want people to stop monopolizing Sobek so you can monopolize Sobek for Kannagi?
Zyeriis
05-13-2011, 08:24 AM
Let me get this straight. You want people to stop monopolizing Sobek so you can monopolize Sobek for Kannagi?
I thought that was obvious.
svengalis
05-13-2011, 11:36 AM
Competition?! In FFXI?! My gracious me, what's next? Some sort of "hyper notorious monster" with some sort of "Harold-Gator" which people have to "monster player kill" one another in order to get?
Competition has always been a part of the endgame. Limited income of items because the game shouldn't be flooded with the ultimate item so everyone is running around triple-wielding relics, mythics, and empyreans. This results in people vying for control over the income. I assure you the people who are wasting your time are every bit as upset at you for wasting their time. Yeah, it's possible some people have some sort of unfair advantage with claim bots, but as far as linkshells go: more manpower, more capability, get a linkshell of your own. The thing you get to look forward to sometime this month: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/7597-May-2011-Additional-Version-Updates
I wonder how many more threads I'll get to post that quote on before the update actually hits...
Actually they are only talking about armor not weapons so yeah you will see more of me...
Yinnyth
05-13-2011, 11:51 AM
They haven't clarified either way which NMs will see additional pop ???s, so I don't see how you can make that assumption. If they purposefully avoided adding new ???s for anything that drops empy weapon upgrade items, that would be a little unfair to the AF3 tokens that need the most loving anyways.
svengalis
05-13-2011, 02:04 PM
They haven't clarified either way which NMs will see additional pop ???s, so I don't see how you can make that assumption. If they purposefully avoided adding new ???s for anything that drops empy weapon upgrade items, that would be a little unfair to the AF3 tokens that need the most loving anyways.
Well I guess we will have to wait until tomorrow to find out. I pray to god though that it is for Empyrean weapon upgrade bosses and not just the armor NM.
Glamdring
05-14-2011, 04:53 AM
They haven't clarified either way which NMs will see additional pop ???s, so I don't see how you can make that assumption. If they purposefully avoided adding new ???s for anything that drops empy weapon upgrade items, that would be a little unfair to the AF3 tokens that need the most loving anyways.
they have now... check the updates thread for the one for next week. HOpefully, your NM is in the list.