Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

[Neisan_Quetz]

What? XI has way better graphics than a certain more popular MMO, I fail to see how that's the problem.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

What? XI has way better graphics than a certain more popular MMO, I fail to see how that's the problem.You're thinking design, not graphics.

[Skybrit]

What? XI has way better graphics than a certain more popular MMO, I fail to see how that's the problem.

I agree.. WOW graphics suck.. its like a cartoon. No realism!

Edit: What i mean is... I would rather see FFXI more realistic design in lower lvl graphics than cartoony design in high lvl graphics.

[Neisan_Quetz]

I'm pretty sure I'm thinking graphics because my character is still better dressed than they could ever hope to be.

[Mirage]

The graphics could be redoable even without dropping PS2 support, so that's not really why


I agree.. WOW graphics suck.. its like a cartoon. No realism!
Lol, the technical quality of WoW's graphics are much higher than in FF11. The art direction is however (in my opinion) utter shit.

[Greatguardian]

The graphics would be redoable even without dropping PS2 support, so that's not really why

Other way around. They could release significantly larger textures (taking up much more hard drive space for PC users), but they cannot perform a complete overhaul of the graphics without reprogramming the entire game engine. Even if they dropped PS2, they could not make FFXI look like FFXIV. Ever.

[Mirage]

They could redo most of the engine without changing the PS2 version. As long as both clients are compatible with the servers, both can coexist. Graphics overhaul is therefore possible without scrapping PS2. :)

There are however a lots of non-graphical features that you couldn't add without creating incompatibilities between the versions.

Is it likely to be financially viable to keep two very different clients up to date simultaneously? nope.jpg

BUT I WILL NEVER STOP HOPING

[Lastspartan]

i truth be told have mixed feelings. on one had the old FoV sucked and Qufim was unbelievable crowded, but i never had much of a problem making lv 55 bird camp parties pulling off 10k+ exp an hr with the right set up. As for Abyssea i have 8 lv 90 jobs and one 80 (MNK) That i did Leech from 38 to 70 b4 i can actually got to fight. In all honesty i felt like i was not pulling my weight unlike being like being n a party would demand. With all of that being said Both ways have valid qualities, but as is stands now for example WG lv sync 55 parties can make decent gil off of Imp. Gold Pieces being 20k a pop. Now i am not sure about if the Exp Raise includes WG and Shadow zone (and if n e one has info i would love to know) but if it did with a decent party you can make 100k with in a few hrs. Now as for Abyssea, It is with out competition as being the best Exp area Hands down!!!!!! Gil drops come and go with a group of 18. So in "some" cases not all, some (old school) party can become profitable that is a +.... But as for Abyssea "most" ppl go there Exp, and as i said earlier wins hands down if you are basing it on EXP/hr... I have my own opinion's about Leeching Some may agrees some may not but its a game ppl play game to enjoy "themselve" NOT for everyone else............. Like i said if n e one know if the Exp raised included WG and Shadow Zones please let me know ^^

[Skybrit]

Leeching means you are contributing nothing, like the lv 70+ people who stand around at the dominion ops NPC. If your xp group is good, keying the chests keeps you busy the whole time, and you're spending 50,000 cruor per stack of keys, which you can go through very fast. Therefore, if you're lv 30 or lv 90, you're contributing the same thing, and you're your true level, too!

Pre-abyssea "leeching", the leech just stood in korroloka tunnel or in an xp party and did nothing. In abyssea, the leech has to actively contribute to the group. You could also level jobs over time via xp scrolls and campaign ops, without fighting a single mob.

The pro-increase arguments have been debunked again and again, only to be repeated with an "its cheating, its wrong, it kills low level stuff that about 10 people want to do!" Most of the playerbase has done the grind, several times, and don't want to go through with it for the 5th or 8th or 12th time.

If people wanted to do low level content, you'd see shouts for eco-warrior or garrison.

SE has taken a stance on grinding before. Its called the April 21, 2005 update.

I don't think you can even "grind" anymore like we used to back in the day. I just took Rng from 20-65 in about 3 weeks without the Abyss and I dont play 24-7 or even every night. The increases in exp for the regular areas has made a huge difference. I think its a great opportunity for new players to earn some lvls and get some of the storyline done before endgame comes into play.

[magnius]

Some of you people need to get it through your heads retarded people are going to be retarded no matter how they level jobs. Even if a retard levels outside of abyssea, they're still going to be retarded.

Decent/good people are going to do decent/good at their jobs no matter how they level. Knowledgeable players are going to play their jobs relatively well regardless of whether they leeched in abyssea or not.

This needs to be repeated here.

[Valefor4life]

Here's what I understand so far from the "change the min level" people.
People who leech to 90 hurt pick up parties, the auction house and low level gear, partying in old areas, Vanilla parties, and empty low level areas. And most of all...

They make it so someone can be equal or better than them over the course of 2 weeks starting at level 1.

They hurt 90 pick up parties because you let them join. If you make a lvl 90 pick up party and you let someone not 90 join who's fault is that? If you want to lvl in the old areas there is no one stopping you from doing so, you just better hope you got enough friends to believe in the same thing you believe. And if someone leeches to 90 and after a course of 2 weeks gets as good or better than the OP. Well that's even better because that's a new job to join shout groups and gets stuff done. What I recommend for the OP is to make a LS and recruit people who wanna join exp parties like in the old days. Nothing wrong with that. Not everyone in an abyssea party can be a leech or shit would never get done.

[Alhanelem]

for the 4000th time, everyone is in control of their own play experience. If you don't want to play with leechers/keyboxers, then don't play with them. Make your own party. Kick the undesirable people out. This isn't a problem that needs to be solved with artificial limits. It's something the players can handle on their own.

[Khiinroye]

I "leech" XP in Abyssea off my LS mates, because my static and I were only level 61 when we returned to the game. Abyssea drew us back in because when we quit, the whole LS were High Levels constantly doing Dynamis or other random High Level junk that left us behind; there was never anything to do except hang out with my static getting crap XP and watching the whole LS pass us by. We quit out of boredom and frustration. Along came Abyssea which lets us chat with our freinds, and laugh while we open chests or get one-shotted for doing something dumb; socially Abyssea is allowing us to accomplish something in-game while having a good time AND learning from our peers the perks and responsibilities of being High Level. That said, I've never joined an XP party where we chatted outside of Abyssea; they were all essentially soulless grind-fests where everyone ignored each other except for chaining, constantly pulling, or popping abilities--there was no dialogue and I've never made a friendship through an XP party, though I've blacklisted an amazing quantity of "people". Raising the cap in Abyssea would once again seperate my static and I from our LS, leaving us to stand in low-level squalor while they have fun getting R/Ex weapons and cool gear. The player-base is shrinking, and Abyssea at least lets me hang out with my friends, seeing what they do, and learning from them how my own job(s) would/should be played. Put simply, raising the cap would drive us away once again.

This was the other thread. I thought it was a good read and appropriate to quote in this one.

[blowfin]

This isn't a problem that needs to be solved with artificial limits. It's something the players can handle on their own.

Whoah, slow down there man, next thing you'll be saying that people can influence their own future through hard work and perseverance.

[rog]

Other way around. They could release significantly larger textures (taking up much more hard drive space for PC users), but they cannot perform a complete overhaul of the graphics without reprogramming the entire game engine. Even if they dropped PS2, they could not make FFXI look like FFXIV. Ever.
They could just use a better engine. Only thing stopping them from doing that is $$$.

[Mirage]

The only thing ever stopping anyone from doing anything is $$$.

[Greatguardian]

They could just use a better engine. Only thing stopping them from doing that is $$$.

No argument here. Engines are costly, and FFXI is old. I'm not sure they'd be able to borrow/buy one suited for FFXI from someone else either, so they'll probably have to develop it in-house. I don't think FFXI has that much staff allocated to it.

[Mirage]

Just slap all the textures and models into UE2 and make a new UI. How hard can it be?!

well probably a bit hard, but SE is pro at PC programming, right?

[erevan]

Why are you guys saying a year to get to 75? It was faster in 2003. That is not even close to reasonable in 2011, not even for a brand new player.

A year to 75? I took 9 months and 8 days to beating Maat and Abyssea wasn't around yet. I'm not sure if that time span is considered unusual or not tho.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Whm 1-75 back in '03 took less then a month. lol

[Greatguardian]

Whm 1-75 back in '03 took less then a month. lol

Considering the level cap was only increased to 75 in the latter half of December 2003... (12/16/03)

Also, your sig hurts my eyes.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Considering the level cap was only increased to 75 in the latter half of December 2003... (12/16/03)

Also, your sig hurts my eyes.I did say less. lol
But WHM itself is a bad example, everyone invited them. Hell, I was fought over.

[Valefor4life]

It took me almost 3 years to take drg to 75. But during that time I did get all other jobs 37+ with many in 60s.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

It took me almost 3 years to take drg to 75. But during that time I did get all other jobs 37+ with many in 60s.I know a dozen people who leveled everything to 30 along with crafts and then gave up saying the game had no content. lol

[Valefor4life]

I honestly enjoyed lvling back in the day meet new ppl every party. But that was when u did /sea all and saw 4k-5k ppl. And the world was much smaller too.

[Smokey]

I personally think that being able to leech your job to 65+ is amazing. I don't know about anyone else, but have you taken a look at the AH for gear between lvl 10~60? It's a joke, Not to mention that buying gear for 5 levels, turning around and selling it, buying more gear, etc etc... You get my point. I could fly through the levels the old way not AS fast but not much slower than doing it in abyssea. It honestly just took more effort and determination. I suppose if you were looking at it from that perspective I could understand a little... But c'mon... If you can not figure out how to play a job you keyed to 90 within a week and you have been playing this longer than a year or so, something is wrong and you need to go check out WoW or something. Go level whm, you can sit back and watch everything happen while learning your job at the same time. You just need to pay attention! My first post^^ I lov this forum! TY SE!

[Kailea_Nagisa]

I personally think that being able to leech your job to 65+ is amazing. I don't know about anyone else, but have you taken a look at the AH for gear between lvl 10~60? It's a joke, Not to mention that buying gear for 5 levels, turning around and selling it, buying more gear, etc etc... You get my point. I could fly through the levels the old way not AS fast but not much slower than doing it in abyssea. It honestly just took more effort and determination. I suppose if you were looking at it from that perspective I could understand a little... But c'mon... If you can not figure out how to play a job you keyed to 90 within a week and you have been playing this longer than a year or so, something is wrong and you need to go check out WoW or something. Go level whm, you can sit back and watch everything happen while learning your job at the same time. You just need to pay attention! My first post^^ I lov this forum! TY SE!

So you complain that you used to ahve to buy gear every 5 or so levels as you leveled up....... you do know you where playing an MMORPG right?

[Neisan_Quetz]

He saved over 500k by switching to Abyssea.

[Kazen]

He saved over 500k by switching to Abyssea.

It's like that allstate commercial where they compare the prices of different auto insurances... instead it's comparing the costs of different forms of exp.

[Smokey]

I wasnt complaining, I was attempting to make a point. You don't have to bother with doing that anymore, which is nice. And yes, I know what im playing.. I figured someone would of trolled my post immediately lmao..

[rog]

It's like that allstate commercial where they compare the prices of different auto insurances... instead it's comparing the costs of different forms of exp.
thatsthejoke.jpg

[Smokey]

And yes, I did save 500K by switching to Abyssea lol.. That epic...

I suppose if im going to leech exp, might as well take your quote to lol..

[Kailea_Nagisa]

I wasnt complaining, I was attempting to make a point. You don't have to bother with doing that anymore, which is nice. And yes, I know what im playing.. I figured someone would of trolled my post immediately lmao..

no you dont get it....... "dont have to bother doing that anymore" when applying it to obtaining gear for leveling from 30 to 60+ should never even be thought of in an MMORPG let alone actually happen.

[Greatguardian]

no you dont get it....... "dont have to bother doing that anymore" when applying it to obtaining gear for leveling from 30 to 60+ should never even be thought of in an MMORPG let alone actually happen.

What gear between levels 30 and 60 was worth getting?

Oh yeah. Just about none of it.

Edit: Obvious exceptions still apply, but most of them (PCC, Okotes, Fumas) still apply at 60+ anyways.

[Skybrit]

If you don't want to lvl in Abyssea and want to do regular parties, a lot of it depends on the server. I finished up my 90s on Ifrit in Abyss and then wanted to lvl a new job but wasn't able to in regular lvls.. Areas were empty. I moved to Asura on a friends invite and now there are tons of people lvling in regular lvls and got to 65 in no time at all. Ifrit was all Abyss all the time and was dying quickly. Asura has a good mix of players still doing parties plus lots of newer players wanting help with COP and other missions.

I say this because lots of people keep saying to go lvl the way you want to, if you can find enough people who want to lvl like you. I"m just saying it may be nessesary to change servers to accomplish this. Perhaps it would help if they moved to certain servers.. Just a thought.

[magnius]

What are you talking about?

[Ceinwyn]

What are you talking about?

The point is that he can't lv in regular areas, because they're empty.
People here tend to say you can choose the way you lv, but that's just wrong.
It's Leech or nothing and this problem is growing atm.

[Valefor4life]

You can do easily 5k/hour easily with FOV and new exp increase if your lazy. This game has reached End game and that's the majority of the focus. Besides there's nothing wrong with leeching to 90 and going back and soloing ZM COP missions XD. But of course your gonna have someone complain about everything oh well. I'll go enjoy farming my AF3+2 on friday with one or two of my buddies ^^.

[Zeitzone]

As a linkshell we have an unstated rule regarding Empyrean weapons from Tahrongi Canyon. If you want one there, you're going to AoE burn for chests and most of the linkshell is going to leech a job.

As a team, there are several of us opening the contents of chests for keyitems while other members of the team focus on killing shit. By working as a team, we maximize the number of chests we obtain. If we were to do this on a level 90 job, it's unfair that we get no reward (from exp chests) for helping our linkshell members obtain their empyrean weapons while we take on the incredibly important task of holding key items for them.

Level 90 still gets Merits for exp. So chests arent for waste.

[Zeitzone]

You can do easily 5k/hour easily with FOV and new exp increase if your lazy. This game has reached End game and that's the majority of the focus. Besides there's nothing wrong with leeching to 90 and going back and soloing ZM COP missions XD. But of course your gonna have someone complain about everything oh well. I'll go enjoy farming my AF3+2 on friday with one or two of my buddies ^^.

Sure we can do 5k and more with FoV and exp incerase. But we do not want to solo much in this game, only with solo jobs like BST. This game is a grinder game for ppl who like partyes. Becouse it is a RPG it has to level slow to enjoy every level buy gear by gear, be attracted by the gear outfits and the places you meet.
Most newcomers level 90 never seen Tazvania Safehold.
And its not the way of this game to leech to 90 and do CoP and other things on your own, we all had to level slow, had level caps and needed to get in as a team. We grown together, we played together and we got forged together.
This game has always been a group game and its really sad that ppl leech and use the removed level cap to solo things instead of playing as a team.

[Auredant]

Sure we can do 5k and more with FoV and exp incerase. But we do not want to solo much in this game, only with solo jobs like BST. This game is a grinder game for ppl who like partyes. Becouse it is a RPG it has to level slow to enjoy every level buy gear by gear, be attracted by the gear outfits and the places you meet.
Most newcomers level 90 never seen Tazvania Safehold.
And its not the way of this game to leech to 90 and do CoP and other things on your own, we all had to level slow, had level caps and needed to get in as a team. We grown together, we played together and we got forged together.
This game has always been a group game and its really sad that ppl leech and use the removed level cap to solo things instead of playing as a team.
Not everyone is lucky enough to find help to complete these missions. Times change. Change with them or get left behind.

[Auredant]

Level 90 still gets Merits for exp. So chests arent for waste.
I would say most poeple are merit capped by now...I know I am

[Valefor4life]

Ya I'm capped merits too. No jobs left to lvl. That's why I was hoping for a group 3 or group 4 merits with the mini update. Doubt that will happen before the next lvl cap increase. From now till then basically any exp I get is going down the drain, so sad ; ;.

[Valefor4life]

Not everyone is lucky enough to find help to complete these missions. Times change. Change with them or get left behind.




Well said, if this game stayed like 2003, it wouldn't have made it this far. Roll with it or get left behind.

[magnius]

We grown together, we played together and we got forged together.

That's funny because I remember being left behind in CoP by my static because I couldn't play 18hours a day. I wasn't alone. I didn't have an LS for the first 2 years I played because I wasn't 75. When I finally got 75 and a shell people avoided me like the plague when I asked for help for CoP. It wasn't like I just logged on and asked for help. I did several weeks of events with them before I asked. I only finished CoP because I shouted for who needed it. It took me 7days of shouting at different times of the day. On the last day it took me 4hours to get 6people because the majority of people already finished CoP. I came to somehow become a sack in a Sky LS whose members said I sucked the leader's dick for w.legs when I lotted nothing of any value the entire year I was in the LS. I became a sack to an HNM LS whose members called me a slut and I sucked the leaders dick for my relic. It wasn't the events I led. Nor was it my work I put in to leading. No. I was avoided because of it.

I have never felt any form of comradery the 8years I played. It was mostly filled with dealing with a lot of assholes, greedy and selfish people. I can call perhaps two people friends after these 8years. Where is the growing together part? Where is the forging you're talking about?

This isn't a rant. I'm showing you that not everyone's journey in FFXI was so rosy and perfect.


This game has always been a group game

I also remember people crying about the game always requiring groups to accomplish anything. That they wished they could just go out whenever they could to solo what they needed. They got what they wanted.

People are never happy I swear.

[Skybrit]

You can do easily 5k/hour easily with FOV and new exp increase if your lazy. This game has reached End game and that's the majority of the focus. Besides there's nothing wrong with leeching to 90 and going back and soloing ZM COP missions XD. But of course your gonna have someone complain about everything oh well. I'll go enjoy farming my AF3+2 on friday with one or two of my buddies ^^.

That's what I'm saying and I'm not complaining. Exp is very high now in regular parties and I am now on a server where parties are easy to find. I don't need to solo or even duo/trio FOV but I do if I have a short time to play. 5k in FOV an hour is too weak compared to exp in parties now. If you want to exp in parties you still can, on certain servers and they are very easy to put together in a few minutes.

[Nacht]

Level 90 still gets Merits for exp. So chests arent for waste.
Not when everyone in the ls is capped on merits, except for the 2 days after they get a new 75+


This game is a grinder game for ppl who like partyes. Becouse it is a RPG it has to level slow to enjoy every level buy gear by gear, be attracted by the gear outfits and the places you meet.
Maybe this game used to be that, but the focus of this game is to reach a high level and then do endgame activities. Otherwise you might as well remove all endgame content if your entire goal is to exp jobs slowly.


And its not the way of this game to leech to 90 and do CoP and other things on your own, we all had to level slow, had level caps and needed to get in as a team. We grown together, we played together and we got forged together.
This game has always been a group game and its really sad that ppl leech and use the removed level cap to solo things instead of playing as a team.
As a team, we're helping each other to get fast exp on low level jobs. It's all about teamwork.

[Zeitzone]

Ya I'm capped merits too. No jobs left to lvl. That's why I was hoping for a group 3 or group 4 merits with the mini update. Doubt that will happen before the next lvl cap increase. From now till then basically any exp I get is going down the drain, so sad ; ;.

See, if there were no exp treasures in Abyssea you whould have enough things to exp for for some months^^
Now you outrun yourself and need to wait months till SE maybe makes some new areas or Merits.
The you run again in Abyssea to open 3-4chests and your exp is caped again, and again you are stuck and have nothing to do, sooner or later you get bored of waiting on SE to add new parts and you give up onf ffxi.

[Zeitzone]

Not everyone is lucky enough to find help to complete these missions. Times change. Change with them or get left behind.

Well said, if this game stayed like 2003, it wouldn't have made it this far. Roll with it or get left behind.


So you arent as good as ppl from 2003? Or why do you think you whouldnt be as far as them.

[Nacht]

See, if there were no exp treasures in Abyssea you whould have enough things to exp for for some months^^
No, I'd simply not cap my merits, or not level a new job. Allowing massive xp gain has given me more things to do, since I can equip new jobs from scratch when I'm bored enough.


Now you outrun yourself and need to wait months till SE maybe makes some new areas or Merits.
The you run again in Abyssea to open 3-4chests and your exp is caped again, and again you are stuck and have nothing to do, sooner or later you get bored of waiting on SE to add new parts and you give up onf ffxi.
No, when my exp is capped, I go equip my jobs, clearly something you don't seem to do. Or work on another Empyrean weapon. I'm guessing you were trying to be so secretive about your character is because you have no notable gear. Probably one of those people wearing full aurore, teal, or perle.

[Zeitzone]

I also remember people crying about the game always requiring groups to accomplish anything. That they wished they could just go out whenever they could to solo what they needed. They got what they wanted.

They always had that option with BST and later with BLU.
Thats why i got them both that time to 75, becouse i always leveled those 2 when i had no ppl to play with.
There are times to get good groups and do alot, and times where you do play alone.
Some days i could make 5-6 Cop parts with more fights, then maybe i had no CoP for 1-2Months, then seeing a AShout trying and getting another 5-6parts.
And thats what i loved at this game.

[magnius]

and again you are stuck and have nothing to do, sooner or later you get bored

I don't blame Abyssea for capping my merits since it's always been capped even before Abyssea. Even capping merits, I have yet to run out of things to do in Abyssea.

[Nacht]

I don't blame Abyssea for capping my merits since it's always been capped even before Abyssea. Even capping merits, I have yet to run out of things to do in Abyssea.

I do like how I can change my merits whenever I want. Goodbye Int merits, Hello Agi merits.

[magnius]

They always had that option with BST and later with BLU.

BST really? BST was terrible back then. So much so that RDM/BST was better. And BLU wasn't even released until soooo much later in the game that it's not even a factor in this argument.

[Auredant]

That's funny because I remember being left behind in CoP by my static because I couldn't play 18hours a day. I wasn't alone. I didn't have an LS for the first 2 years I played because I wasn't 75. When I finally got 75 and a shell people avoided me like the plague when I asked for help for CoP. It wasn't like I just logged on and asked for help. I did several weeks of events with them before I asked. I only finished CoP because I shouted for who needed it. It took me 7days of shouting at different times of the day. On the last day it took me 4hours to get 6people because the majority of people already finished CoP. I came to somehow become a sack in a Sky LS whose members said I sucked the leader's dick for w.legs when I lotted nothing of any value the entire year I was in the LS. I became a sack to an HNM LS whose members called me a slut and I sucked the leaders dick for my relic. It wasn't the events I led. Nor was it my work I put in to leading. No. I was avoided because of it.

I have never felt any form of comradery the 8years I played. It was mostly filled with dealing with a lot of assholes, greedy and selfish people. I can call perhaps two people friends after these 8years. Where is the growing together part? Where is the forging you're talking about?

This isn't a rant. I'm showing you that not everyone's journey in FFXI was so rosy and perfect.



I also remember people crying about the game always requiring groups to accomplish anything. That they wished they could just go out whenever they could to solo what they needed. They got what they wanted.

People are never happy I swear.
Wow...you must really like this game after sticking with it while putting up wit that mess. I love this game more for the friendships I've forged then acquiring stuff..if i had similar experiences as urself i prolly wouldve quit.

[Zeitzone]

No, I'd simply not cap my merits, or not level a new job. Allowing massive xp gain has given me more things to do, since I can equip new jobs from scratch when I'm bored enough.


No, when my exp is capped, I go equip my jobs, clearly something you don't seem to do. Or work on another Empyrean weapon. I'm guessing you were trying to be so secretive about your character is because you have no notable gear. Probably one of those people wearing full aurore, teal, or perle.

Sigh, again you missunderstand the point, i do not talk about gears becouse i get my gears while leveling up, so i do not need to do that afterwards, when i was level 50 i got my Joyeuse, when my BLM got access to AF i first soloed all the BLM AFs with rdm and then advanced leveling BLM to equip part by part.
I dont need to get exp before gear, i do that together. While i leveld BLM for Dynamis i went as RDM and got RDM AF2 parts and for all my other Jobs.
So even now some AF2 wait on 1-2Jobs to finaly be the level to wear them.

But yes, im a gear collector, if there has been a gear and it was storageable i wanted it, i did everything to get it, but while leveling, thats why my storage npc is full with gears and i dont need to care when i go into a Party, i always have a gear for any level at hand.
I collected nearlly everything and always had space problems XD
Organs, Coins, Nyzul weapons, all kind of Rare and ex items.
When i found a rare ex item i just keept it, even i didnt know what it is for and didnt go check on web, sooner or later a quest comes where i need that. Sometimes i had to go check only for the rare ex items to make sure to use them if possible, to make space in my MH.
And yes i got some gears i missed out, but not becouse i was lazy, becouse the list was horrible long. So i never got my W-legs, i was 3 times first place to get them in 3 different ls, but everytime bad luck, several runs no drop and i have a complicated work shedule, sometimes i need to leave the games for months, and when i get back i lost my points, last time on Sky i kinda had 1400 points, each run gave 30 points.
Last time i was in Limbus i had first place on Homam legs, i wanted them badly but again no luck for several runs.
the ls disbanded before it droped. So my collection still miss this two parts.
Maybe i will do it with some friends later, but no hurry, im grinder.
3 times my dynamis ls disbanded.
I did all kind of KSNM and BCNM for gil, we rulled on ISNM Puks and Slimes, thats where we tryed to get the main gil for upgrading weapons. 400k was a pice back then, i dont remember the name, some sort of ore crafters needed badly and has been used for the ToAU gears.
Well i did nearly anything in this game and always tryed to get better armors and weapons beside leveling.

[magnius]

Wow...you must really like this game after sticking with it while putting up wit that mess. I love this game more for the friendships I've forged then acquiring stuff..if i had similar experiences as urself i prolly wouldve quit.

I do love this game. I have gotten hurt a lot in this game, but I've never seen them as anything but something to overcome. I've always taken what people said about me as a reveal of their own insecurities. In fact, they were because of their insecurities as I have confronted them. In the end, I've helped them along their insecurities. If things just got too much for me to handle, I take breaks. I travel a lot too, so along with breaks and traveling it kept me grounded.

[Nacht]

So you already have the empy+2 gear for w/e job you're currently leveling

[Kailea_Nagisa]

That's funny because I remember being left behind in CoP by my static because I couldn't play 18hours a day. I wasn't alone. I didn't have an LS for the first 2 years I played because I wasn't 75. When I finally got 75 and a shell people avoided me like the plague when I asked for help for CoP. It wasn't like I just logged on and asked for help. I did several weeks of events with them before I asked. I only finished CoP because I shouted for who needed it. It took me 7days of shouting at different times of the day. On the last day it took me 4hours to get 6people because the majority of people already finished CoP. I came to somehow become a sack in a Sky LS whose members said I sucked the leader's dick for w.legs when I lotted nothing of any value the entire year I was in the LS. I became a sack to an HNM LS whose members called me a slut and I sucked the leaders dick for my relic. It wasn't the events I led. Nor was it my work I put in to leading. No. I was avoided because of it.

I have never felt any form of comradery the 8years I played. It was mostly filled with dealing with a lot of assholes, greedy and selfish people. I can call perhaps two people friends after these 8years. Where is the growing together part? Where is the forging you're talking about?

This isn't a rant. I'm showing you that not everyone's journey in FFXI was so rosy and perfect.



I also remember people crying about the game always requiring groups to accomplish anything. That they wished they could just go out whenever they could to solo what they needed. They got what they wanted.

People are never happy I swear.

wow.... sorry to hear that this was your experiance, I think I would have quit too if it was that way for me. If your experience is still this way, I would think about changing servers, maybe see if the two you mentioned would go with you.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

Sigh, again you missunderstand the point, i do not talk about gears becouse i get my gears while leveling up, so i do not need to do that afterwards, when i was level 50 i got my Joyeuse, when my BLM got access to AF i first soloed all the BLM AFs with rdm and then advanced leveling BLM to equip part by part.
I dont need to get exp before gear, i do that together. While i leveld BLM for Dynamis i went as RDM and got RDM AF2 parts and for all my other Jobs.
So even now some AF2 wait on 1-2Jobs to finaly be the level to wear them.

But yes, im a gear collector, if there has been a gear and it was storageable i wanted it, i did everything to get it, but while leveling, thats why my storage npc is full with gears and i dont need to care when i go into a Party, i always have a gear for any level at hand.
I collected nearlly everything and always had space problems XD
Organs, Coins, Nyzul weapons, all kind of Rare and ex items.
When i found a rare ex item i just keept it, even i didnt know what it is for and didnt go check on web, sooner or later a quest comes where i need that. Sometimes i had to go check only for the rare ex items to make sure to use them if possible, to make space in my MH.
And yes i got some gears i missed out, but not becouse i was lazy, becouse the list was horrible long. So i never got my W-legs, i was 3 times first place to get them in 3 different ls, but everytime bad luck, several runs no drop and i have a complicated work shedule, sometimes i need to leave the games for months, and when i get back i lost my points, last time on Sky i kinda had 1400 points, each run gave 30 points.
Last time i was in Limbus i had first place on Homam legs, i wanted them badly but again no luck for several runs.
the ls disbanded before it droped. So my collection still miss this two parts.
Maybe i will do it with some friends later, but no hurry, im grinder.
3 times my dynamis ls disbanded.
I did all kind of KSNM and BCNM for gil, we rulled on ISNM Puks and Slimes, thats where we tryed to get the main gil for upgrading weapons. 400k was a pice back then, i dont remember the name, some sort of ore crafters needed badly and has been used for the ToAU gears.
Well i did nearly anything in this game and always tryed to get better armors and weapons beside leveling.

you did not just get Joyeuse at 50... someone would have to give it to you basicly. Took me 2 years to get Joyeuse -.- and I was lv75 DNC by the time I got it.

[Zeitzone]

BST really? BST was terrible back then. So much so that RDM/BST was better. And BLU wasn't even released until soooo much later in the game that it's not even a factor in this argument.

Lol, yeah as if, BST pwned at start, they need to make more changes, reduce mobs possible to charm, make MPK impossible.
IF your RDM/BST pwned your BST you sure did something wrong, i agree that rdm/bst has been nice, best way to kill overgrownrose typ mob outside Ah uhrgar whitegate. First let a tiger fight it and nuke it with small fires becouse very weak to fire. And in danger you could easily sleep it.
But still that only count for that mob, the charm sucked badly as rdm main and you had to sleep the pet before charming it. My BST easily soloed the Escort in crawler nest.
And sure BLU has been Added with ToAU. Thats some time back, and i didnt say that you could level blu from start, i sayd that BLU has been a solo option, starting with bludgeon and then advancing on other more effective spells frenetic rip or disseverment. I loved BLU, it has been the best point dmg dealer beside Sam. Loved to make a battle with sam of a friend who can make more kills in campaign.

[HFX7686]

So you arent as good as ppl from 2003? Or why do you think you whouldnt be as far as them.

Are you saying you wish the game to be exactly the same as it was in 2003?

[Ramsos]

Are you saying you wish the game to be exactly the same as it was in 2003?

Thats exactly what zeitzone has been saying.

[Zeitzone]

you did not just get Joyeuse at 50... someone would have to give it to you basicly. Took me 2 years to get Joyeuse -.- and I was lv75 DNC by the time I got it.

Sure togehter, think about an alliance standing down there and dieing 10 times just to get a n Joyeuse.

[HFX7686]

Thats exactly what zeitzone has been saying.

Sounds terribly dull to me. I am glad the game has changed and evolved.

[Zeitzone]

Are you saying you wish the game to be exactly the same as it was in 2003?

No, i just dont want exp treasures in abyssea or access at level 70+
That whould be enough to make the game good again.

[Zeitzone]

Thats exactly what zeitzone has been saying.

Hey, i can speak for myself, you dont need to make lie to flame.

[Ramsos]

Hey, i can speak for myself, you dont need to make lie to flame.

How is what I said a lie? All you do is cry about wanting people to have to grind bad exp and claim that everyone who ever opened a chest in abyssea is a vile cheater who should be banned.

[HFX7686]

No, i just dont want exp treasures in abyssea or access at level 70+
That whould be enough to make the game good again.

I think the Abyssea add-ons are pretty great.

You do realise you don't have to ever enter Abyssea if you don't like them, right?

Surely someone has mentioned that before.

[Zeitzone]

How is what I said a lie? All you do is cry about wanting people to have to grind bad exp and claim that everyone who ever opened a chest in abyssea is a vile cheater who should be banned.

And again lies, i never said to bann ppl for opening chest, i just said to remove the chests or raise level of abyssea access.
And i dont want ppl to gtind bad exp, i want ppl to grind exp! to grind! not to grind bad exp! You can grind now good exp outside abyssea, but you dont do it becouse you prefer leeching, and i dont want leeching in this game, so if we remove those treasure or raise the Access level we will minimize leeching.

[Zeitzone]

I think the Abyssea add-ons are pretty great.

You do realise you don't have to ever enter Abyssea if you don't like them, right?

Surely someone has mentioned that before.

Its not about entering or not entering, im entering abyssea as anyone else does, we just dont do any exp chests.
Becouse thats leeching.

[Khiinroye]

No, opening chests is a cruor-draining service, and contributes greatly to an xp party, regardless of your level. Being a poorly geared DD who does little to no damage or sitting at a dominion op NPC is leeching.

[HFX7686]

Its not about entering or not entering, im entering abyssea as anyone else does, we just dont do any exp chests.
Becouse thats leeching.

Opening exp chests is leeching? That's completely illogical. The chests were obviously put in the game by the developers to be opened by players. That's the silliest thing I've ever heard.

[Zeitzone]

Opening exp chests is leeching? That's completely illogical. The chests were obviously put in the game by the developers to be opened by players. That's the silliest thing I've ever heard.

Well thats the main problem, SE says nothing about it, and alot ppl discusse this if it is okey or not.
And i say its okay for jobs 70+ but nothing lower.
A level 30 does not desserve to open such chests, isnt it silly to get multiple level ups? Is that "playing a RPG" for you?

Anyways sleep time, GN.

[HFX7686]

Well thats the main problem, SE says nothing about it, and alot ppl discusse this if it is okey or not.
And i say its okay for jobs 70+ but nothing lower.
A level 30 does not desserve to open such chests, isnt it silly to get multiple level ups? Is that "playing a RPG" for you?

Anyways sleep time, GN.

I don't recall anyone before you ever suggesting opening a 1250 exp chest on a low level job could be considered cheating. My mind is totally blown.

Why do you get to decide what someone deserves or does not deserve? Play your game and let other people play how they want to play. It is, after all, a role-playing game. You get to choose your role.

[Auredant]

I don't recall anyone before you ever suggesting opening a 1250 exp chest on a low level job could be considered cheating. My mind is totally blown.

Why do you get to decide what someone deserves or does not deserve? Play your game and let other people play how they want to play. It is, after all, a role-playing game. You get to choose your role.
Personally I would rather have a key whore in my party than for us to miss TE chests or have half the DD lookin at chests instead of killing mobs. If opening chest is they're role what does their level matter?

[HFX7686]

Personally I would rather have a key whore in my party than for us to miss TE chests or have half the DD lookin at chests instead of killing mobs. If opening chest is they're role what does their level matter?

I agree with you.

[Zeitzone]

Posts do not magicaly dissapear, the comunity deletes them if they think they sound offending.
Well this is a discussion place and my opinion is as same inportant as yours, if you dont like it do not post here.

All other i ignore becouse you never get it, leechers do not know what ideals are.

GN!

[Komori]

I agree with you.

I also agree. <.< In so many parties, I've seen 8 of the 16 people staring at one damn chest when a keywhore wasn't present.

[Ramsos]

Posts do not magicaly dissapear, the comunity deletes them if they think they sound offending.
Well this is a disussion place and my opinion is as same inportant as yours, if you dont like it do not post here.

All other i ignore becouse you never get it, leechers do not know what ideals are.

GN!

Your "ideals" are build on a sham.

For the record I have never leeched a job in abyssea, I just support the ability for people to do so.

[Nacht]

All other i ignore becouse you never get it, leechers do not know what ideals are.


I idealize progress and change. Therefore, I change my ideals to suit my current situation. By doing this, whatever I do, I am able to always act within my ideals.



I also agree. <.< In so many parties, I've seen 8 of the 16 people staring at one damn chest when a keywhore wasn't present.

What I hate is people checking a chest then going: Hey there's a TE/KI/bacon here!
Well if you're going to check the damned chest, open it, assface.

[Zeitzone]

Your "ideals" are build on a sham.

For the record I have never leeched a job in abyssea, I just support the ability for people to do so.

Thats what you say, you say i dont prove my gears and that i am gimp.
So if you are lieing why should i belive you.
I think you are the biggest leecher in the game, got everything trough leeching and nothing with own power.
And you cant prove anyone the opossite.
Well kinda we are in the same situation, i cant prove for my gear becouse of my ideals, and if i think about it i dont even care what you think.
You cant prove that you are no leecher, and i bet you do anyways not care if i do belive you.
So wtf.
I need to sleep, its close to middnight, GN.

[HFX7686]

Thats what you say, you say i dont prove my gears and that i am gimp.
So if you are lieing why should i belive you.
I think you are the biggest leecher in the game, got everything trough leeching and nothing with own power.
And you cant prove anyone the opossite.
Well kinda we are in the same situation, i cant prove for my gear becouse of my ideals, and if i think about it i dont even care what you think.
You cant prove that you are no leecher, and i bet you do anyways not care if i do belive you.
So wtf.
I need to sleep, its close to middnight, GN.

I disagree with your ideals and think they are severely misguided.

[Ramsos]

Thats what you say, you say i dont prove my gears and that i am gimp.
So if you are lieing why should i belive you.
I think you are the biggest leecher in the game, got everything trough leeching and nothing with own power.
And you cant prove anyone the opossite.
Well kinda we are in the same situation, i cant prove for my gear becouse of my ideals, and if i think about it i dont even care what you think.
You cant prove that you are no leecher, and i bet you do anyways not care if i do belive you.
So wtf.
I need to sleep, its close to middnight, GN.

As I said in my soon-to-be-mod-deleted post, your "ideal" for not proving that you arent terribly geared doesnt matter. You already admitted to not using haste so we all know you are bad. If you believe me or not about how I leveled my jobs doesnt matter since leveling jobs is not an accomplishment.



Also, now that I have a GMs attention, can you please weigh in on this thread? Can you please tell these people that abyssea is working as intended and that level 30 chest openers was intended from the very beginning.

[Rambus]

Personally I would rather have a key whore in my party than for us to miss TE chests or have half the DD lookin at chests instead of killing mobs. If opening chest is they're role what does their level matter?

I agree with you.

you do not need to be on a level 30 job to whore keys.

[Nacht]

The last time a German had ideals that were this messed up Poland was invaded...

That started a war, similar to the war happening on this forum. Germany vs. America.

[magnius]

This is great. I can't believe someone said it.

[magnius]

wow.... sorry to hear that this was your experiance, I think I would have quit too if it was that way for me. If your experience is still this way, I would think about changing servers, maybe see if the two you mentioned would go with you.

My HNM LS moved server after I joined for 2months. I tied up ends with the Sky LS I was in and moved with them after 3months. Two months after the move, I was made sack. When I moved, I moved away from those friends. Since then, one of them has quit and the other scarcely played anyway so it didn't matter, but we still keep in contact with each other in FB. Without the ease of Abyssea, I wouldn't have accomplished as much as I have already without knowing many and avoided by others.

[Auredant]

you do not need to be on a level 30 job to whore keys.

point is...what's the difference?

[Rambus]

Personally I would rather have a key whore in my party than for us to miss TE chests or have half the DD lookin at chests instead of killing mobs. If opening chest is they're role what does their level matter?

I agree with you.
you do not need to be on a level 30 job to whore keys.
point is...what's the difference?

That abyssea needed to be 75+ from the start.
people are scared to key if they have a good level it seems

[Skybrit]

That abyssea needed to be 75+ from the start.
people are scared to key if they have a good level it seems

Yeah, you can still have a person assigned to be key turner.

[Auredant]

That abyssea needed to be 75+ from the start.
people are scared to key if they have a good level it seems

again...what's the difference? i was actually for the cap being 50ish but I wouldn't tell someone that they're way is wrong. If they key whore accomplishes a role in the party...what's the difference what level they do it. Usually the keywhore contributes more to the party than most of the DD anyway. The only reason i wanted the cap to be at 50 was because it was harder to find parties when i was leveling thf but i finally bit the bullet and started a dom ops party wit my THF51/WHM25...handled key boxin...found people reps and even backup healed. Problem solved.

[Rambus]

again...what's the difference? i was actually for the cap being 50ish but I wouldn't tell someone that they're way is wrong. If they key whore accomplishes a role in the party...what's the difference what level they do it. Usually the keywhore contributes more to the party than most of the DD anyway. The only reason i wanted the cap to be at 50 was because it was harder to find parties when i was leveling thf but i finally bit the bullet and started a dom ops party wit my THF51/WHM25...handled key boxin...found people reps and even backup healed. Problem solved.

people should explore the game more vs doing everything in one zone, whats the point of the rest of the game then?
* this goes to leveling and event*

also abyssea 30+ is anti new player

THERE! i sovled the ps2 limatation! get rid of all game content but abyssea and allow abyssea 1-90.

I guess you need an abyssea - windurst then

[blowfin]

You know the most important lesson i`m learning from this thread is that you can win an argument by going to bed after posting completely outlandish things.

Example:
The earth is clearly flat and is at the center of the solar system. Anyone who disagrees with me will burn in hell for eternity as they are cheating the very nature of the universe with these beliefs.

Oh... would you look at the time... Off to bed! Have fun!

[Skybrit]

You know the most important lesson i`m learning from this thread is that you can win an argument by going to bed after posting completely outlandish things.

Example:
The earth is clearly flat and is at the center of the solar system. Anyone who disagrees with me will burn in hell for eternity as they are cheating the very nature of the universe with these beliefs.

Oh... would you look at the time... Off to bed! Have fun!

LOL, well he is in Germany..

[Auredant]

people should explore the game more vs doing everything in one zone, whats the point of the rest of the game then?
* this goes to leveling and event*

also abyssea 30+ is anti new player

THERE! i sovled the ps2 limatation! get rid of all game content but abyssea and allow abyssea 1-90.

I guess you need an abyssea - windurst then
Everyone has a choice to take out of the game what they wish...it's their money. If they wish to party outside abbyssea they can certainly do so. And ur argument is invalid because leeching allows them to speed level and be able to enjoy endgame content sooner rather than later. It even helps when the can solo missions rather than depend on others for help.

[blowfin]

LOL, well he is in Germany..

YOU`LL HAVE TO SPEAK UP I`M ASLEEP.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

My HNM LS moved server after I joined for 2months. I tied up ends with the Sky LS I was in and moved with them after 3months. Two months after the move, I was made sack. When I moved, I moved away from those friends. Since then, one of them has quit and the other scarcely played anyway so it didn't matter, but we still keep in contact with each other in FB. Without the ease of Abyssea, I wouldn't have accomplished as much as I have already without knowing many and avoided by others.

wow, well if you ever get tired of your server, after the world merge look at coming on over to Phoenix, my LS welcomed me back after a year of absence, and they are an ok bunch, to me anyway ;p

[Vivik]

THERE! i sovled the ps2 limatation! get rid of all game content but abyssea and allow abyssea 1-90.


Finally something useful came out of this thread.

[magnius]

wow, well if you ever get tired of your server, after the world merge look at coming on over to Phoenix, my LS welcomed me back after a year of absence, and they are an ok bunch, to me anyway ;p

Thanks for the offer. However, I'd rather put the 25 bucks toward my next travel venture. I'm stuck btwn Alaska or Grand Canyon.

[Yarly]

You know the most important lesson i`m learning from this thread is that you can win an argument by going to bed after posting completely outlandish things.

Example:
The earth is clearly flat and is at the center of the solar system. Anyone who disagrees with me will burn in hell for eternity as they are cheating the very nature of the universe with these beliefs.

Oh... would you look at the time... Off to bed! Have fun!

Great, you went and told everyone how to do the exploit. I guess we should enjoy it before SE patches it.

[rog]

Also, now that I have a GMs attention, can you please weigh in on this thread? Can you please tell these people that abyssea is working as intended and that level 30 chest openers was intended from the very beginning.GMs do customer service, and would have no idea what the dev team was thinking when they set the level 30 requirement.

[Gunit]

GMs do customer service, and would have no idea what the dev team was thinking when they set the level 30 requirement.

But Rog I don't think you understand they are GAME MASTERS.

[Valaris]

if the dev team ment for everything they create to stay the way if was first created the nerfbat would never exsist now would it? sometimes they put things into the game that get overly exploited such as leeching xp and getting from lvl 30 to 90 in 2 days. if the game was ment to work the way the dev team origionally created something ninja would have more shadows on ni and ichi like it did a long time ago but they nerfed it. everyone didnt agree with it and a ton of people threw a fit but it needed to be done. same thing here :)

[Vivik]

if the dev team ment for everything they create to stay the way if was first created the nerfbat would never exsist now would it? sometimes they put things into the game that get overly exploited such as leeching xp and getting from lvl 30 to 90 in 2 days. if the game was ment to work the way the dev team origionally created something ninja would have more shadows on ni and ichi like it did a long time ago but they nerfed it. everyone didnt agree with it and a ton of people threw a fit but it needed to be done. same thing here :)

The difference being a ton of people threw a fit. In this case it's only the vocal minority. Take a cross server poll and I can guarantee a different result.

[Skybrit]

The difference being a ton of people threw a fit. In this case it's only the vocal minority. Take a cross server poll and I can guarantee a different result.

He meant a ton of people threw a fit because they changed it. SE did it even though the majority liked the setup.

[Greatguardian]

He meant a ton of people threw a fit because they changed it. SE did it even though the majority liked the setup.

And they did it because they felt they should. Not because a bunch of super-vocal self-righteous players told them to (this is not a shot at you, personally). If they change it, they'll change it. If they don't, they don't. Either way this thread is pointless. All the people threatening to mass-quit if they don't do something now need to just quit. No one likes ultimatums.

[Auredant]

He meant a ton of people threw a fit because they changed it. SE did it even though the majority liked the setup.

yes, but in this case most people like it the way it is. he understood the post before just fine

[Valefor4life]

And they did it because they felt they should. Not because a bunch of super-vocal self-righteous players told them to (this is not a shot at you, personally). If they change it, they'll change it. If they don't, they don't. Either way this thread is pointless. All the people threatening to mass-quit if they don't do something now need to just quit. No one likes ultimatums.

Those are the random emo people you get in shout groups when a NM just decides it doesn't want to drop their seals.

[Zeitzone]

yes, but in this case most people like it the way it is. he understood the post before just fine

There is no prove for that.

[Zeitzone]

Those are the random emo people you get in shout groups when a NM just decides it doesn't want to drop their seals.

Stop writing useless flames.