Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

[Zagen]

I do this all the time.

My friend and I as well, and so does the LS I'm in as well. Maybe it doesn't work for him and that's the real problem?

[Ramsos]

That guy must have missed the lesson on sleep nuking during all that EXP he got, oh wait...

Guy also thought that haste gear lowered provoke recast, thats a totally different story.

[jeffanddane]

yeah right guardian i don't believe you lol

[Kazen]

Hey man, I learned while leveling RDM the old way people like haste and refresh! I also learned that if I cure people they stop dying!

In all seriousness... absolutely nothing done from exp grinding will contribute to make someone a better player. I can guarantee you that if you give me any job I do not have currently with the correct gear (note not choices, I will know what to use) I can play that job better than majority of the server within 3 hours. It basically comes down to how quickly someone can adapt and learn given new situations. I'm sure some people will disagree with me but some players are just stupid with the choices they make and it's as simple as that; no amount of grinding will make a stupid player any less stupid.

[Zagen]

Hey man, I learned while leveling RDM the old way people like haste and refresh! I also learned that if I cure people they stop dying!

Hmmm I learned that if I didn't cure them they died and would complain less about needing haste while it was still on them...

[Nacht]

yeah right guardian i don't believe you lol

Look, there's 3 types of people in this game. 1) People who can think for themselves, who can develop strategies on the fly given information. 2) People who can't come up with strategy, but can follow orders. 3) People who are retarded and can't even follow directions.

It's not that difficult for type 1 people to figure shit out without weeks of grinding some shitty job outside abyssea

[Greatguardian]

Look, there's 3 types of people in this game. 1) People who can think for themselves, who can develop strategies on the fly given information. 2) People who can't come up with strategy, but can follow orders. 3) People who are retarded and can't even follow directions.

It's not that difficult for type 1 people to figure shit out without weeks of grinding some shitty job outside abyssea

This ^.

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[Orson]

I really want to know how you can think research and reaction time aren't the 2 most important things in this game.

If you are leeching I assume you have basic understanding of game UI and mechanics. If you can't pick up a job from reading then you must have a hard time absorbing information or you are too lazy to bother. The only thing that experience does for you is to teach you to respond better in crisis.

Regular exp parties do not teach you how to gear for a given situation. Argue all you want that it doesn't matter but having the best gear and merits for every job is important. You rarely see people learning this by just playing. The people that do usually spend hrs upon days testing things under controlled environments.

Reaction time is not relient on training in exp parties either. Even a new player will have a good or bad reaction based on their experience with videogames and possibly other things. What they will need to learn is what to react to and how to react to it. Again that boils down to research or instruction especially in endgame.

The only thing exp parties do is make you better at exping. On that note I believe that biggest lesson exp parties taught was to exclude all jobs that weren't popular because they slowed down exp.

[RabidSquirrel]

Hm. I really am quite surprised how many people are against raising the required level to 70. Hell, even I leeched my summoner to 90, but because my only other 90 was white mage. I'd drive my friends crazy asking them to kill things for me. A little bit of insight into a game developer's mind: It is NEVER good when any part of your game is rendered obsolete. And it is not the fault of the players. They will do whatever it takes to level up as fast as possible, which is perfectly fine. So players preaching to players about what they should do is stupid. SE has made a bad decision which has now caused so many people to cheat their way to the top.

As a side thought: I had been wondering why the hell I have been getting an abnormal amount of praise on my white mage, who was 75 before CoP. Well, I guess I know why now.

And wow. 100+ pages.

[Nepharite]

The only thing exp parties do is make you better at exping. On that note I believe that biggest lesson exp parties taught was to exclude all jobs that weren't popular because they slowed down exp.

If it wasn't for abyssea there'd be a lot less pups running around because they couldn't get exp pts. Oh wait that is a negative on abyssea leeching. =/

[Rambus]

I will say this after talking in the other thread

I would have preferred of SE making entry 70 or 75 in the first place. When I herd entry to it was 30 I was very confused.

Now that it is 30 people will defend it in saying that is how it should be. If it is changed to 70 or 75 would the damages be reversed? I really do not know if it is a good idea at this point.

I will say this though. I think its better for the new player if abyssea is 70 or 75, that could be part of the reason of lack of new people, even though we been getting lack of new people for a while.

I would like to know why SE thought it was a good idea to make it 30. I want to hear from developer, not player theory.

[Nepharite]

Hm. I really am quite surprised how many people are against raising the required level to 70. Hell, even I leeched my summoner to 90, but because my only other 90 was white mage. I'd drive my friends crazy asking them to kill things for me. A little bit of insight into a game developer's mind: It is NEVER good when any part of your game is rendered obsolete. And it is not the fault of the players. They will do whatever it takes to level up as fast as possible, which is perfectly fine. So players preaching to players about what they should do is stupid. SE has made a bad decision which has now caused so many people to cheat their way to the top.

As a side thought: I had been wondering why the hell I have been getting an abnormal amount of praise on my white mage, who was 75 before CoP. Well, I guess I know why now.

And wow. 100+ pages.

The amount of people leveling up new jobs was slowly dwindling to nothing, normal exp pts were already not that common right before abyssea came out. FFXI was designed for group play and the population of the game isn't what it used to be, which is making it harder to find groups. So of course they have to change things to accommodate the new smaller player base.

Imagine if they decided to announce the level cap change from 30-70 to enter abyssea in the next update.
Everyone would rush to burn every job they could/wanted to 90 before the update. Then after the update, no one would exp anymore, because most people have what jobs they want leveled up.

Its too late to change it now. You can argue whether abyssea 30cap was a bad/good idea, but changing it after being out this long is a definite mistake.

[jeffanddane]

no use arguing with the lazies who want it all handed to them XD

[Orson]

no use arguing with the lazies who want it all handed to them XD

Please attempt to use capitalization and punctuation. It takes far less effort than exping the old way.

[jeffanddane]

just proving my point lol

[Nacht]

just proving my point lol

Was your point: people are lazy and want to read grammatically correct sentences?

[Orson]

I thought you enjoyed doing things the correct way. I just assumed that the bad grammar and such was because you were in a hurry to get your post done. If this is incorrect I apologize.

[jeffanddane]

reading is effortless :P and if your reading your not too lazy but still . . . . lol i am typing like this to prove a point XD which you are falling in it just like everyone else will i am sure lol

[Nacht]

reading is effortless :P and if your reading your not too lazy but still . . . . lol i am typing like this to prove a point XD which you are falling in it just like everyone else will i am sure lol

The only point I'm seeing is that you are retarded.

[Nepharite]

reading is effortless :P and if your reading your not too lazy but still . . . . lol i am typing like this to prove a point XD which you are falling in it just like everyone else will i am sure lol

Sure you are, keep trying to play it off like you meant to do it like that.

My opinion of lazy are the people unwilling to research their job, not the people who remove the pointless grinding.


edit - too bad pictures can't be posted here, this would have been a perfect opportunity to post that winning by losing troll pic.

[jeffanddane]

like i said still proving my point . . . . .

[Nepharite]

like i said still proving my point . . . . .

that you suck at trolling?

[Kailea_Nagisa]

people that complain about grinding in an MMORPG, I will always find that funny. I don't care how you rationalize it, leveling that fast without experiencing the job properly, makes the player of that job poor. You can do all the research you want, but until you experience the job for itself, you have learned nothing, and no leveling from 30-90 in Abyssea is not experiencing the job.
Now for the players that do PL from 30-90, then go skill up, research the job, and then practice on mobs to learn some of the finer points, they are not as bad, and at least it shows that you are trying. Problem is, most do not do this.

[Orson]

reading is effortless :P and if your reading your not too lazy but still . . . . lol i am typing like this to prove a point XD which you are falling in it just like everyone else will i am sure lol

So you are admitting to trolling? I think that's against the rules.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

reading is effortless :P and if your reading your not too lazy but still . . . . lol i am typing like this to prove a point XD which you are falling in it just like everyone else will i am sure lolI read somewhere that reading gives you brain cancer.

[Ryland]

I read somewhere that reading gives you brain cancer.

I read that on the radio one day last week I think while I was tanning.

[Nacht]

You can do all the research you want, but until you experience the job for itself, you have learned nothing, and no leveling from 30-90 in Abyssea is not experiencing the job.
Now for the players that do PL from 30-90, then go skill up, research the job, and then practice on mobs to learn some of the finer points, they are not as bad, and at least it shows that you are trying. Problem is, most do not do this.

I'd rather start experiencing the job at 90. Take the following 2 players as an example.
Player 1 takes 2 weeks to level a job to 90 then takes another week experiencing the job, getting seals, etc.
Player 2 takes 1 day to level a job to 90, takes the rest of the week to skill up the proper skills, then uses the next two weeks experiencing the job, getting seals, etc.

Both players play the job the same amount of time. Player 1 has had 1 week of playing at level 90. Player 2 has had 3 weeks minus 1 day playing at level 90.

[Nepharite]

people that complain about grinding in an MMORPG, I will always find that funny. I don't care how you rationalize it, leveling that fast without experiencing the job properly, makes the player of that job poor. You can do all the research you want, but until you experience the job for itself, you have learned nothing, and no leveling from 30-90 in Abyssea is not experiencing the job.
Now for the players that do PL from 30-90, then go skill up, research the job, and then practice on mobs to learn some of the finer points, they are not as bad, and at least it shows that you are trying. Problem is, most do not do this.

How is it hard to learn a job? If they can't learn a job from playing it at 90 for a while, they wouldn't have learned it from leveling up 1-75 in normal exp
I'm seriously thinking people are forgetting how exp pts were. 80% of the time it was full of people who were horrible.

I don't recall many 75 knowing much about their job after they were done exping. It wasn't until they went endgame and started doing things with other 75s that they started to learn their jobs.

edit - I think what people are confusing is that normal exp pts 1-75 is not the same as endgame experience. Its a different style of play.

[jeffanddane]

I guess the only way to find out if they could fully benefit from the job is give them a random job take them to abyssea at lvl 30 then have them go do something that job could normally do that isn't insanely hard but isn't insanely easy either, also have another person lvl a job the normal way and see what happens. . . . i bet you anything the person who lvled normally whether they lvled solo or by party based would succeed in 90% of the things required of that job. FFXI was built on a party based system which still holds true to Abyssea. . . But the game now caters to the player that wants everything NOW. The game used to cater to players who wanted to have fun in a party based and social environment who felt pleased with the accomplishment of there hard work to get something specific. Not only does partying build the edge on your job but also sharpens your skill to an ever changing group of people with infinite outcomes and possibilities . Not every party is the same so you learn something new every single party. With the tips and techs you learn from partying whether it be solo based or in a group are far superior to those who lvl a job in a day and study.Although it is true you learn way more advanced skill end game most of the chizzling and seasoning is done through your lower lvl partying.

[Orson]

people that complain about grinding in an MMORPG, I will always find that funny. I don't care how you rationalize it, leveling that fast without experiencing the job properly, makes the player of that job poor. You can do all the research you want, but until you experience the job for itself, you have learned nothing, and no leveling from 30-90 in Abyssea is not experiencing the job.
Now for the players that do PL from 30-90, then go skill up, research the job, and then practice on mobs to learn some of the finer points, they are not as bad, and at least it shows that you are trying. Problem is, most do not do this.

I can sort of see that for a complete noob this might be the case but let's not kid ourselves. More than 99% of the people that are leeching probably have leveled a mage and a melee job to 75 most have leveled Whm, Blm, War, Nin, and every other common sub to 37 pre-abyssea. What can't you learn in the first 30 levels of the game that you will learn in a party to 70-75?

Completely ignoring that are you saying you couldn't just glide through regular exp being completely awful? That's the point that people seem to be missing. There were a plethora of Brds, Rdms, Sams, etc. that were basically power leveled by getting multiple parties and they'd keep getting invited even if they were terrible. Now if you really want to get down to the heart of it. The fact of the matter is it's just the terrible players have a far greater variety of jobs to suck at.

[Logical]

+75 yes plz

[Nepharite]

I guess the only way to find out if they could fully benefit from the job is give them a random job take them to abyssea at lvl 30 then have them go do something that job could normally do that isn't insanely hard but isn't insanely easy either, also have another person lvl a job the normal way and see what happens. . . . i bet you anything the person who lvled normally whether they lvled solo or by party based would succeed in 90% of the things required of that job.

Umm dude, it really depends on the person. Also Way to use opinionated percentages.

I've known countless people who have abyssea burned jobs and are ten times better than other people I know that have leveled the "old way."

Its all about how much effort the person wants to put into the job. Not how they gained exp.

[Nacht]

I guess the only way to find out if they could fully benefit from the job is give them a random job take them to abyssea at lvl 30 then have them go do something that job could normally do that isn't insanely hard but isn't insanely easy either, also have another person lvl a job the normal way and see what happens. . . . i bet you anything the person who lvled normally whether they lvled solo or by party based would succeed in 90% of the things required of that job.
You clearly don't realize just how retarded people can be. Whether or not someone succeeds is entirely based on whether or not the person is retarded or not.


Although it is true you learn way more advanced skill end game most of the chizzling and seasoning is done through your lower lvl partying.
No. All you learn is how to act during a lower level party.

Prior to mid January, I had never leveled a melee job past SJ levels. I leeched Nin from 49-90. I also PL'd myself on ninja (along with other linkshell members) while dualboxing a whm and didn't bother tanking to get to 49 (prior to abyssea). So prior to mid January, I had no experience tanking mobs.

A couple weeks ago I dual boxed Yaanei Nin+Whm with little to no trouble. Where did I learn the skills to succeed at this? Dual boxing seals and other shit at 90.

-edit-
Granted, yaanei isn't the most difficult mob in the game, but that's the most recent example that I could think of.

[Kazen]

Obviously players should have to go back and play like the "good olde days"; I don't mean that players should go back to the colibri parties etc... we should go beyond that! Let them experience the true hell of leveling to 75 in Moon/Krt when it took a lot more exp to get to 75 than it does now and you did so at 5k/hr at best. Oh the joys of the game before the addition of worthwhile gear and acc food. What fun is was to fight the same weapon type mob for over a minute.

I would hope it's obvious but I have my doubts on the merits of some of the posters here to pick up on sarcasm. I highly doubt most of them had the "true" FFXI experience as they call it. Maybe that experience has made me one of the "elite" they like to categorize us as, however, I feel that it honestly doesn't make a difference. I have a strong suspicion that the same people here arguing for the cap to be 70-75 are the same people who can't even figure out the most basic of game concepts of haste gear, stp gear, gear swaps, etc. I also have a suspicion that the people for this are also the same group of people I see taking 18 people to mobs like Shen and dying horribly.

Isn't making baseless stereotypes fun? You can claim you need to grind to develop "true skill" all you want, but it won't make it anymore true; much like your choices to tp in str gear wont let that be superior to tping in haste.

[Valaris]

in a way i agree. almost every zone in the game that is not abyssea sits empty and unused it would be nice to see them have purpose again.

[Mrbeansman]

Can one of you idiots give me one plausible reason why you should have the right to force your obsolete way of leveling on us. In the end we have no right to ask you to leech your jobs and your free to level your way.

[Komori]

Once again, if your so tired of seeing old zones empty. Then fill them yourselves; people sometimes like to cool-down from abyssea; or want to conserve stones or just want nostalgia.

Do it your damn selves before forcing it on the rest of the population

[viion]

This thread got civil or is it still a stupid argument?

[Valaris]

lol i do fill the zone myself i often walk around in those empty zones. how do think that i know they are empty lmao.

[Flunklesnarkin]

They should just raise the minimum level to 90 and make it cost 500K gil to enter..

I'm tired of all those underperforming jobs lower than 90 leeching exp off all us hardworking max level people.

It's not right and we need to take a stand !!1!!one

[Komori]

/sea or /search?

How about you shout and create parties in old areas instead of forcing people to only go that route?

[Valaris]

nah its not civil. people normally are not civil when it comes to them having to eather do more work or take the "easy button" away. and keep in mind the only reason i think this idea has merit is because a huge ammount of the game isnt being used anymore. abyssea was ment to be end game content. how can this be so if a lvl 30 can pop in and leech his way to 90. and they might not raise the lvl cap to 70 but eventually they will probly make it so you cant gain xp at all till you hit 70. kinda like it was in the past with the whole lvl gap thing. if memory serves they created that so a lvl 1 couldnt pt with a lvl 75 and leech his way to max lvl. so its not an impossibility to see that happen.

[svengalis]

Please let this thread DIE! We don't need dumb ideas like this floating around. Don't wanna give SE any ideas. The way Abyssea was setup was done for a reason: the game is dying plain and simple. It needs to be like. No more post in this thread PLEASE!

[Flunklesnarkin]

nah its not civil. people normally are not civil when it comes to them having to eather do more work or take the "easy button" away. and keep in mind the only reason i think this idea has merit is because a huge ammount of the game isnt being used anymore. abyssea was ment to be end game content. how can this be so if a lvl 30 can pop in and leech his way to 90. and they might not raise the lvl cap to 70 but eventually they will probly make it so you cant gain xp at all till you hit 70. kinda like it was in the past with the whole lvl gap thing. if memory serves they created that so a lvl 1 couldnt pt with a lvl 75 and leech his way to max lvl. so its not an impossibility to see that happen.

Even if they did a exp limit tho.. people would still leech dominion ops pages.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

Please let this thread DIE! We don't need dumb ideas like this floating around. Don't wanna give SE any ideas. The way Abyssea was setup was done for a reason: the game is dying plain and simple. It needs to be like. No more post in this thread PLEASE!

incorrect, and yes many reasons have been given, go read them

[Valaris]

Even if they did a exp limit tho.. people would still leech dominion ops pages.

i ment dominion to be included in the whole no xp at all post XD. and yes the game is kinda slowing down. and one of the reasons and ive seen this alot of times is new players at lvl 1 cant get parties and lvl cause theres no one seeking so they just quit. so theres a constant flow of new players quiting and old players leaving the game. i know everyone that already has an established character likes the easy lvling and would hate for it to go away but somethings gonna have to be done about that.

[Mrbeansman]

There's a reason that nobody has been able to come up with one good argument for this: there isn't one. You people are either A: Jealous that your imaginary hard work is gone or B: Completely ignorant of why people in this game are complete idiots.

[Flunklesnarkin]

Valaris.. i don't know anybody who partied at lvl 1 lol

always soloed to 10+

and i've seen more people who have been in the game under 6 months at max level than I ever seen before abyssea.

It would be interesting if they posted statistics on new accounts pre/post abyssea and give us a better insight into what abyssea has done to veteran / new player populations.

All the speculation of abyssea is killing newbies or abyssea is flooding the game with noobs is all anecdotal.

I wouldn't put much weight into any of it without some form of numerical proof

[Valaris]

There's a reason that nobody has been able to come up with one good argument for this: there isn't one. You people are either A: Jealous that your imaginary hard work is gone or B: Completely ignorant of why people in this game are complete idiots.

typically in an argument the one without the good argument is the one that resorts to insults to back their agenda.

[Greatguardian]

Valaris.. i don't know anybody who partied at lvl 1 lol

always soloed to 10+

and i've seen more people who have been in the game under 6 months at max level than I ever seen before abyssea.

It would be interesting if they posted statistics on new accounts pre/post abyssea and give us a better insight into what abyssea has done to veteran / new player populations.

All the speculation of abyssea is killing newbies or abyssea is flooding the game with noobs is all anecdotal.

I wouldn't put much weight into any of it without some form of numerical proof

I think one of the biggest reasons for this anecdotal humduggery being so different from both sides of the issue is that both sides have vastly different definitions of "Noob" and "Bad players".

The "Make Abyssea 75+ ONLY" camp seems to define a noob as a Blm with level 10 elemental magic skill and no spells.

The "Just go away" camp seems to define a noob as the above, plus anyone who doesn't gear swap, use haste gear, have HQ staves (these are dirt cheap), complains about any gil value less than 1M, doesn't understand basic game mechanics, and/or hasn't participated in anything more "Extreme" than Dynamis.

In that regard, many of the players in the former camp are what players in the latter camp would consider noobs; creating this perceptional dichotomy. The former camp claims to see more noobs now that Abyssea is out because they aren't counting themselves. The latter camp claims that the number of noobs is the same, because they've counted the former camp the entire time.

[Ramsos]

i ment dominion to be included in the whole no xp at all post XD. and yes the game is kinda slowing down. and one of the reasons and ive seen this alot of times is new players at lvl 1 cant get parties and lvl cause theres no one seeking so they just quit. so theres a constant flow of new players quiting and old players leaving the game. i know everyone that already has an established character likes the easy lvling and would hate for it to go away but somethings gonna have to be done about that.

People don't party at level 1. If you are partying at level 1 you are doing it wrong. You can painlessly solo to level 20 nowadays and at that point you can party at qufim if you dont want to continue soloing. Normal pting doesn't really die off until, surprise, level 30. If new players don't want to buy the abyssea expansions, thats their own fault and the rest of us shouldn't suffer for it.

As has been stated earlier multiple times, if you raise the level cap people will just go back to level syncing to collibri levels or smn burning. All you are doing is substituting one type of leeching for another. Who cares if someone chests their way to 90 or syncs to 37 for Eron[S], both will have the same lack of skills and "real game experience" as most of the vocal minority would claim.

[Flunklesnarkin]

The new exp tiers they made for outside of abyssea have brought back some normal parties...

I've seen people hitting up old camps again just because they didn't feel like dealing with abyssea lights.

I think exp can be faster outside of abyssea now.. depends on how much time you have to party..


If you only have like an hour.. can pop your exp band and kill stuff getting 1200 exp + a kill outside of abyssea. No need to build up lights first or any other lameness.

[Valaris]

[QUOTE=Ramsos;36800]People don't party at level 1. If you are partying at level 1 you are doing it wrong. You can painlessly solo to level 20 nowadays and at that point you can party at qufim if you dont want to continue soloing. Normal pting doesn't really die off until, surprise, level 30. If new players don't want to buy the abyssea expansions, thats their own fault and the rest of us shouldn't suffer for it.

lol i dont party at lvl 1 i was generalizing. just said it cause all players start the game at 1 and lately they usually dont make it past 15 before they just give up and vanish. alot in my ls have left for those reasons. i tend to try and help them when i can but only being able to help them out about an hour a day just doesnt cut it. they get impatient and leave for another game like wow,aion, and dc universe online. but if anyone of you played everquest adventures online for the ps2 the same thing happened no low lvl parties were going on so new players quit and old players left and eventually the game died. i havent logged on there in a few years but im guessing the servers are probly shut down. and ive been seen the same thing happen here is just happening a bit slower

[Flunklesnarkin]

please make some paragraphs or shorter posts valaris >_<


a thread post should be like a miniskirt

long enough to cover the topic at hand.. but short enough to keep things interesting ;o

[Valaris]

[QUOTE=Flunklesnarkin;36813]The new exp tiers they made for outside of abyssea have brought back some normal parties...

I've seen people hitting up old camps again just because they didn't feel like dealing with abyssea lights.

that would be nice seeing how my main reason for agreeing was the old zones have a reason to exsist lol. i honestly dont care how its done just as long as something is done.

[Ramsos]

lol i dont party at lvl 1 i was generalizing. just said it cause all players start the game at 1 and lately they usually dont make it past 15 before they just give up and vanish. alot in my ls have left for those reasons. i tend to try and help them when i can but only being able to help them out about an hour a day just doesnt cut it. they get impatient and leave for another game like wow,aion, and dc universe online. but if anyone of you played everquest adventures online for the ps2 the same thing happened no low lvl parties were going on so new players quit and old players left and eventually the game died. i havent logged on there in a few years but im guessing the servers are probly shut down. and ive been seen the same thing happen here is just happening a bit slower

People leaving the game at 15 because there are no partys has nothing to do with abyssea. In fact, its a good argument for lowering the minimum abyssea level from 30 to 1.

[magnius]

abyssea was ment to be end game content. how can this be so if a lvl 30 can pop in and leech his way to 90.

Exping is not endgame. Killing NMs in the zone for AF3 is endgame, which this thread isn't about.

[Valaris]

People leaving the game at 15 because there are no partys has nothing to do with abyssea. In fact, its a good argument for lowering the minimum abyssea level from 30 to 1.

well if they do that they might as well delete vanadiel and just move everyones homepoints and mog houses into abyssea. and fee up all that HDD space for the ps2 :D

[Flunklesnarkin]

I'm sure they will make outside of abyssea relevant again at some point..

They just need time to figure out how to properly implement it.. things are better than they were tho when abyssea first came out..

The significant exp boost has shifted some people away from exping in abyssea.


I hope they make some sort of war break out between windurst and bastok.. i want to pwn galka and tarus >:U

be like campaign but in the present ;o

[Auriga]

idc whats been said prior to this unless it supports me, down with this idea! booooo!

[Zeitzone]

We need Abyssea minimum level access 75.

You say ppl whould level the old way if they want, well I want! But when i look all ppl are in Abyssea, the world is dead.
Thats becouse ppl are lazy, if there is an easy way to level they will use it.

And thats the Point, you need to take them away the easy way, so they come back to the harder way.
But easy way is never the correct way. It kills the Game. Abyssea kills the game, many good old players left becouse Abyssea was added.

This game becomes more and more as Cheap as WoW. A game for 10-14 years old kiddies, with no difficult level, who want to finde them first sexual experience on this game.
The trash i need to read nowdays in FFXI while playing is really bad.
We need to get Quality back to the Game.

Years ago kiddis like those played maybe 3Months then realized that they are not hard enough for FFXI and left.
Now you see them run around as level 90 and talking bullshit like they are kings.

[Ramsos]

We need Abyssea minimum level access 75.

You say ppl whould level the old way if they want, well I want! But when i look all ppl are in Abyssea, the world is dead.
Thats becouse ppl are lazy, if there is an easy way to level they will use it.

And thats the Point, you need to take them away the easy way, so they come back to the harder way.
But easy way is never the correct way. It kills the Game. Abyssea kills the game, many good old players left becouse Abyssea was added.

This game becomes more and more as Cheap as WoW. A game for 10-14 years old kiddies, with no difficult level, who want to finde them first sexual experience on this game.
The trash i need to read nowdays in FFXI while playing is really bad.
We need to get Quality back to the Game.

Years ago kiddis like those played maybe 3Months then realized that they are not hard enough for FFXI and left.
Now you see them run around as level 90 and talking bullshit like they are kings.

For the 100th time, raising the level cap for abyssea would just cause people to leech differently. Without abyssea, people would sync to collibri levels or smn burn.

You vocal minority have all your anger misplaced. Level sync has done more damage to your precious "social aspect of the game" than abyssea ever did. Focus your anger on the real enemy and stop crying for a change that wont fix your problem.

[Mrbeansman]

We need Abyssea minimum level access 75.

You say ppl whould level the old way if they want, well I want! But when i look all ppl are in Abyssea, the world is dead.
Thats becouse ppl are lazy, if there is an easy way to level they will use it.

And thats the Point, you need to take them away the easy way, so they come back to the harder way.
But easy way is never the correct way. It kills the Game. Abyssea kills the game, many good old players left becouse Abyssea was added.

This game becomes more and more as Cheap as WoW. A game for 10-14 years old kiddies, with no difficult level, who want to finde them first sexual experience on this game.
The trash i need to read nowdays in FFXI while playing is really bad.
We need to get Quality back to the Game.

Years ago kiddis like those played maybe 3Months then realized that they are not hard enough for FFXI and left.
Now you see them run around as level 90 and talking bullshit like they are kings.

Honestly what gives you the right to take away our way of leveling when you can still do yours? Your honestly going to tell me you cant find 5 people in a server of over 3000 to level with you the old fashioned way?

[viion]

I'm sure they will make outside of abyssea relevant again at some point..

They just need time to figure out how to properly implement it.. things are better than they were tho when abyssea first came out..

The significant exp boost has shifted some people away from exping in abyssea.


I hope they make some sort of war break out between windurst and bastok.. i want to pwn galka and tarus >:U

be like campaign but in the present ;o

The EXP boost still sucks imo, I was duoing 1-10 with a friend and was getting 180EXP per kill, even tough things but it eventually wittled down to about 100 as we kept dying, this was due to not being able to buy: Spells or gear as no one sells it anymore, could probably find it on npc but 1 weapon was like 9k which I just didnt have, after like 5 FOV's we managed to get about 700G between us just so i could buy cure, but thats useless due to low skill level.

I cant really talk about things past then but I ran to Valkurm and there were like 4 people in the zone, :(

Luckily a friend gave me his info so I can PL myself, but some others not so lucky. Have to see how SP is when we can do proper parties and such.

[Pharaun]

And thats the Point, you need to take them away the easy way, so they come back to the harder way. But easy way is never the correct way. It kills the Game. Abyssea kills the game, many good old players left becouse Abyssea was added.

I don't know a single person that has quit because of abyssea but I know more than 10 that came back specifically because of it.

Also saying that the easy way is never the right way is a load of crap. Pretty much every single advancement in human civilization has come because the smart people are looking for easier ways to do things. It's the people that are bitching about having to do things the old way and the hard way that are causing the game to stagnate, not the ones seeking to innovate.

[magnius]

For the 100th time, raising the level cap for abyssea would just cause people to leech differently. Without abyssea, people would sync to collibri levels or smn burn.

You vocal minority have all your anger misplaced. Level sync has done more damage to your precious "social aspect of the game" than abyssea ever did. Focus your anger on the real enemy and stop crying for a change that wont fix your problem.

You know these people don't even read the thread. It's gonna have to be said another 100 times.

[RAIST]

if only 3000 were on one server at once.....

Sometimes we're doing good to see 500 on at once, and most of those are just afk.

But, back to the topic...abyssea isn't popular just because of the XP and leeching. It is the new content. The fact people can leech xp in there while people are also in there working on content is a sidebar issue. The ONLY incentive to do anything outside abyssea now is for either skillups, or to finish content/items. If you've gotten everything you want/need from old content already, not much point in going back to it. If I need skillups and they're doing a cleave for time in a zone where I need feet armor still or some NM's I want to kill...I'm there. If it just so happens I have a level 60 job I want to take to 90 and I need to go grocery shopping at that time...well... why not? I'll stick that job in there for the xp, then job change and come back with my 120 minutes and kill my NM's. My real purpose isn't the leech, it just happens to be a convenient bonus.

(tldr) Point is... it's not just an exp/leeching problem. It is a CONTENT problem.

[Icestein]

Abyssea didn't kill the game for me, it breathed new life into it.

At 75, before the level cap increase and Abyssea, I decided to quit. I was left dissatisfied with the jobs I had decided to level, but felt no desire to go through the painful process of leveling another job from level 37. A month ago I decided to see what abyssea was like, and was hugely satisfied with how they streamlined the most tedious part of the game. Parties didn't make someone skilled, it never could, every party was about repeating the same tedious actions again and again on the same mobs, this play style often was very different from how a job is played at 75 and up.

Parties were exclusionary, long and relied on the willful co-operation of everyone. A gimp tank back in the day would severely limit the amount of exp you could earn per hour, as would players who dealt paltry damage. If I wanted to level a Black mage via the old methods I would be unable to join any parties after level 55, because the optimum way of leveling involved mobs that were heavily resistant to magic and later could reflect magic. People talk about the new system like it allows people to just leave with level 90 jobs without any work, which is simply untrue, I'd have to spend days skilling up.

Laziness has nothing to do with it, there's no enjoyment found in the old system, you wouldn't see a sudden flock of players eager to whack their sticks at a few pink toucans. The old system is inefficient for a third reason, you spend a vast quantity of your time under the effects of level sync, 20-37 in Qufim, 37-55 in the past, all the while your skill caps become increasingly uncapped, and between leveling you'd have to skill up to be able to contribute to any party.

I'd also like to point out that while it's very easy to insist that everything bad in the game has one commonality, it's often untrue. That trash-talking you mention, Zeit? That's been ubiquitous throughout the game, probably worse in the HNM era than it is now. Also, Zeit, I'd predict that 90% if not more of the current player base are long time players. I've seen very few new people to the game, so your argument that this abyssea age opens the door to "Kiddies" is moot. It's moot anyway because of Maat.

It's not laziness, it's finding the fastest way to the fun stuff.

[Mrbeansman]

To people saying they can't find people: Is finding new friends hard? Where you not the same people going on and on about the social aspect of this game. You obviously play this game for the social aspect well, go be social.

[Flunklesnarkin]

The EXP boost still sucks imo, I was duoing 1-10 with a friend and was getting 180EXP per kill, even tough things but it eventually wittled down to about 100 as we kept dying, this was due to not being able to buy: Spells or gear as no one sells it anymore, could probably find it on npc but 1 weapon was like 9k which I just didnt have, after like 5 FOV's we managed to get about 700G between us just so i could buy cure, but thats useless due to low skill level.

I cant really talk about things past then but I ran to Valkurm and there were like 4 people in the zone, :(

Luckily a friend gave me his info so I can PL myself, but some others not so lucky. Have to see how SP is when we can do proper parties and such.

Gonna help a new player out here

It might be a bit rough for a new player.. but all mmo's are that way.. you just need to keep asking for help/advice.

They will be linking all the AH's soon so the rarity of items you are seeing in the starter zones will become a problem of the past.

and its easier than ever for a new player to make money.. crystals sell extremely well these days coupled with the fact nearly everything else in the game has flat lined in price.

[Zeitzone]

Honestly what gives you the right to take away our way of leveling when you can still do yours? Your honestly going to tell me you cant find 5 people in a server of over 3000 to level with you the old fashioned way?

Becouse the new way ruined the game.
We dont want it.
Only new player are happy to play that way, then go play WoW but dont ruin our good old FFXI.

[Dauntless]

For the 100th time, raising the level cap for abyssea would just cause people to leech differently. Without abyssea, people would sync to collibri levels or smn burn.

You vocal minority have all your anger misplaced. Level sync has done more damage to your precious "social aspect of the game" than abyssea ever did. Focus your anger on the real enemy and stop crying for a change that wont fix your problem.

Problem with that is Pre-Abyssea level sync was still here and there were TONS of parties in old school spots that weren't just burn or bird parties. Why?

Simple really.

There are only so many parties that these spots can hold.

Pre-Abyssea there was no problem with everyone abusing smn burns and bird parties because more than 2 parties per camp and you wouldn't make it past chain 3, so the camp sucked. This stopped people from abusing and people actually made parties around their level.

Now the only parties outside of Abyssea are Qufim Island and Kazham because they're pre-30.

It's sad, really.

[Pharaun]

Becouse the new way ruined the game.
We dont want it.
Only new player are happy to play that way, the go play WoW but dont ruin our good old FFXI.

Jumping hobo's on a pogo stick, I'm tired of answering this silly allegation. Pretty much every single person who is arguing against raising the cap has been playing this game since US release or shortly after. It's people like you who are ruining the game by trying to stifle any gameplay growth and innovation.

[Greatguardian]

Becouse the new way ruined the game.
We dont want it.
Only new player are happy to play that way, then go play WoW but dont ruin our good old FFXI.

Abyssea exp didn't change squat.
All the good, old players posting on this forum don't want the cap changed.
EXP has practically nothing to do with real FFXI.
Go play Phantasy Star Online Blue Burst if you want a game with a huge EXP curve.

[Zeitzone]

I want my original FFXI back, not this cheap copy for noobs we play atm.
It totaly changed the group of users.

[hiko]

To people saying they can't find people: Is finding new friends hard? Where you not the same people going on and on about the social aspect of this game. You obviously play this game for the social aspect well, go be social.
QFT !!


Becouse the new way ruined the game.
We dont want it.
Only new player are happy to play that way, then go play WoW but dont ruin our good old FFXI.

removing the worst part of FFXI (long/boring grinding) is ruining the game?

[Flunklesnarkin]

I want my original FFXI back, not this cheap copy for noobs we play atm.
It totaly changed the group of users.

I want a pony

[Nacht]

Only new player are happy to play that way, then go play WoW but dont ruin our good old FFXI.

Don't generalize you ideas. Plenty of older players both smn burned when it was around and abyssea leeched. If you want everyone who leeched to leave, then you'd have maybe one server left.

[Pharaun]

Hey GreatGuardian when did you start playing? You must be a total n00b since you support abyssea leeching. Me I'm a total n00b too since I support it, having only been playing this game since June of 2003...

[Mrbeansman]

Becouse the new way ruined the game.
We dont want it.
Only new player are happy to play that way, then go play WoW but dont ruin our good old FFXI.

Give me one factual argument for why abyssea leaching has ruined the game.

[Zeitzone]

Jumping hobo's on a pogo stick, I'm tired of answering this silly allegation. Pretty much every single person who is arguing against raising the cap has been playing this game since US release or shortly after. It's people like you who are ruining the game by trying to stifle any gameplay growth and innovation.

This is no growth or inovwation, im playing since years and i went trough alot inovations and i liked them all.
But Abyssea changes everything, it changes the main player group.
Inovation was CoP or Whitegate.

You only hide your cheap way of playing behind insulting me for being against growth and innovation.

THis game worked very well for years how it was. And ppl stayed long becouse they need to chose a Job and slowly level it to 75, the Path is the aim! Not to max out all Jobs. If you max them out you have nothing more to do in this game and then it starts to be boring. We dont want that, we want slow leveling with a good difficult level to give us fun over long time, and not only for 1 years.

[Zeitzone]

Give me one factual argument for why abyssea leaching has ruined the game.

Quality of the players goes down becouse of the cheap way of leveling. Even a 3years old can klick a box and gain exp.

But read my former Post.

[Ramsos]

This is no growth or inovwation, im playing since years and i went trough alot inovations and i liked them all.
But Abyssea changes everything, it changes the main player group.
Inovation was CoP or Whitegate.

You only hide your cheap way of playing behind insulting me for being against growth and innovation.

THis game worked very well for years how it was. And ppl stayed long becouse they need to chose a Job and slowly level it to 75, the Path is the aim! Not to max out all Jobs. If you max them out you have nothing more to do in this game and then it starts to be boring. We dont want that, we want slow leveling with a good difficult level to give us fun over long time, and not only for 1 years.

The whole game doesnt revolve around leveling. You should give endgame events a try when the servers come back on.

[magnius]

But Abyssea changes everything, it changes the main player group.
Inovation was CoP or Whitegate.


Change is scary. Change is bad. I fear change.

[Mrbeansman]

This is no growth or inovwation, im playing since years and i went trough alot inovations and i liked them all.
But Abyssea changes everything, it changes the main player group.
Inovation was CoP or Whitegate.

You only hide your cheap way of playing behind insulting me for being against growth and innovation.

THis game worked very well for years how it was. And ppl stayed long becouse they need to chose a Job and slowly level it to 75, the Path is the aim! Not to max out all Jobs. If you max them out you have nothing more to do in this game and then it starts to be boring. We dont want that, we want slow leveling with a good difficult level to give us fun over long time, and not only for 1 years.

Leveling jobs does not = FFXI I'm really sorry to inform you the casual minorty of this.

[Flunklesnarkin]

This is no growth or inovwation, im playing since years and i went trough alot inovations and i liked them all.
But Abyssea changes everything, it changes the main player group.
Inovation was CoP or Whitegate.

You only hide your cheap way of playing behind insulting me for being against growth and innovation.

THis game worked very well for years how it was. And ppl stayed long becouse they need to chose a Job and slowly level it to 75, the Path is the aim! Not to max out all Jobs. If you max them out you have nothing more to do in this game and then it starts to be boring. We dont want that, we want slow leveling with a good difficult level to give us fun over long time, and not only for 1 years.

Idk.. game feels like there is a lot more to work on than before abyssea came out.. albeit none of it is currently endgame..

That will come out by lvl 99 i'm sure

[Nacht]

This is no growth or inovwation, im playing since years and i went trough alot inovations and i liked them all.
But Abyssea changes everything, it changes the main player group.
Inovation was CoP or Whitegate.

You only hide your cheap way of playing behind insulting me for being against growth and innovation.

THis game worked very well for years how it was. And ppl stayed long becouse they need to chose a Job and slowly level it to 75, the Path is the aim! Not to max out all Jobs. If you max them out you have nothing more to do in this game and then it starts to be boring. We dont want that, we want slow leveling with a good difficult level to give us fun over long time, and not only for 1 years.

Maybe some people want slow leveling. But you can't generalize hat to say all people. I know plenty of people who stopped leveling jobs prior to abyssea and only leveled new ones because of abyssea leeching.

Also, it's hilarious that you spelled innovation in 3 different way in the same post.

[Pharaun]

Quality of the players goes down becouse of the cheap way of leveling. Even a 3years old can klick a box and gain exp.

But read my former Post.

It's been said many times, but the quality of players has remained pretty much the same. Stupidly long exp curves do nothing to teach you how to play the job at a high level when it comes to end game content.

[Mrbeansman]

Quality of the players goes down becouse of the cheap way of leveling. Even a 3years old can klick a box and gain exp.

But read my former Post.

Again for the billionth time the player quality is the exact same as it was before abyssea.

[Zeitzone]

The whole game doesnt revolve around leveling. You should give endgame events a try when the servers come back on.

I did endgame, but endgame stuff for years. It is only Pimping, thats boring.
You only do that to perfect your gear.
Thats the Way how playing WoW or other cheap games, to get fast to engame and then pimp out of boredom.
But FFXI was/has to return to something special. You pimp but after a long time of fun with partys and other Events.

[Flunklesnarkin]

There have always been retarded max level players..

I think zeitzone is just trolling now lol


let me follow their logic

"I sure am glad i solo killed 10,000 beastmen pets on BLM... If it wasn't for the countless hours of sleep nuking i wouldn't be able to macro staves.. or heaven forbid use elemental seal >> sleepga in an emergency!!"

[Zeitzone]

Again for the billionth time the player quality is the exact same as it was before abyssea.

Prove me!
I seen the quality going down for 60%.
Ppl who before never touched FFXI becouse it was too hard for them are coming into the game, number of 14years old Kids playing this game had grow. How i know? Im asking new Players for them Age.

[Komori]

I did endgame, but endgame stuff for years. It is only Pimping, thats boring.
You only do that to perfect your gear.
Thats the Way how playing WoW or other cheap games, to get fast to engame and then pimp out of boredom.
But FFXI was/has to return to something special. You pimp but after a long time of fun with partys and other Events.

Then shout in Port Jeuno to create parties to experience nostalgia and people wanting a cool-down.

Your making something into a problem that shouldn't be one in the first place. HELL, make a topic about those wanting to do some old-school parties and maybe you could even make a static, I'm sure there are 5 people from your server.

[Mrbeansman]

I did endgame, but endgame stuff for years. It is only Pimping, thats boring.
You only do that to perfect your gear.
Thats the Way how playing WoW or other cheap games, to get fast to engame and then pimp out of boredom.
But FFXI was/has to return to something special. You pimp but after a long time of fun with partys and other Events.
This is not a factual argument its you having an opinion.

[Nacht]

I did endgame, but endgame stuff for years. It is only Pimping, thats boring.
You only do that to perfect your gear.
Thats the Way how playing WoW or other cheap games, to get fast to engame and then pimp out of boredom.
But FFXI was/has to return to something special. You pimp but after a long time of fun with partys and other Events.

Exping was the most boring, monotonous, and time consuming part of the game. Hurray you know how to hit shit while someone PLs you.

[Mrbeansman]

Prove me!
I seen the quality going down for 60%.
Ppl who before never touched FFXI becouse it was too hard for them are coming into the game, number of 14years old Kids playing this game had grow. How i know? Im asking new Players for them Age.

NO! you prove to me that the 60% isn't an eyeball estimate you pulled outta of your ass.

[Alhanelem]

Quality of the players goes down becouse of the cheap way of leveling. Even a 3years old can klick a box and gain exp.Pretty much not true. You know how many new players there are now? Very few. Most of the people that are being chest keyers or leeching or whatever have already leveled up one or several jobs the old fashioned way from before abyssea existed. Any practice these people need with a job can be attained while they skill up their combat skills.

I'm amazed that this thread has 55 pages (20/page) and well over 1000 posts. I don't understand why this is a big deal at all.

As i've posted several times before: If you don't like people who do this, then DON'T PLAY WITH THEM! Blacklist them, kick them from your party,ask them to leave, ask the leader to kick, leave the party, whatever. You are in control of your own play experience.

(also: the average age of people who play games like this is pretty high, in the upper 20s to lower 30s. There is not "60% of ppl that are 14 year olds")

[Tsukino_Kaji]

There have always been retarded max level players..

I think zeitzone is just trolling now lol


let me follow their logic

"I sure am glad i solo killed 10,000 beastmen pets on BLM... If it wasn't for the countless hours of sleep nuking i wouldn't be able to macro staves.. or heaven forbid use elemental seal >> sleepga in an emergency!!"Ewwww BLM solo leveling.

[Zeitzone]

Exping was the most boring, monotonous, and time consuming part of the game. Hurray you know how to hit shit while someone PLs you.

Then why did you play it?
If it was sooooo boring.
Becouse it wasnt, becouse you sure had alot of fun in one or another party, you laughed together with strangers, you enjoyed a good party and even meet friends that way.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Quality of the players goes down becouse of the cheap way of leveling. Even a 3years old can klick a box and gain exp.

But read my former Post.In all honesty, that marked change in player attitued came with the addition of the 360 player base.

[magnius]

Is Zeitzone Pimpchan?

[Komori]

I BLM solo'd pets from 56-75 before abyssea. There were many nights I cried.

[Nacht]

The why did you play it?
If it was sooooo boring.
Becouse it wasnt, becouse you sure had alot of fun in one or another party, you laughet together with strangers, you enjoyed a good party and even meet friends that way.

To get to the shit after exping.
I don't think I met anyone interesting while exping, several outside of exping, most from joining linkshells my friends were already in.

[Mrbeansman]

Then why did you play it?
If it was sooooo boring.
Becouse it wasnt, becouse you sure had alot of fun in one or another party, you laughed together with strangers, you enjoyed a good party and even meet friends that way.

Yeah but unlike you we have a lot more fun doing endgame content with good friends as well.

[Komori]

Then why did you play it?
If it was sooooo boring.
Becouse it wasnt, becouse you sure had alot of fun in one or another party, you laughed together with strangers, you enjoyed a good party and even meet friends that way.

Why do you keep playing if the new way of leveling is SOOO BAD.

[Zeitzone]

Me too. I cryed alot too, but i laught alot too when i had a great day and good exp. And if i look back i dont want to miss that time, it was very emotional.
But klicking boxes in Abyssea is not emotional, its boring and gives you nothing, you will not remember it, not in good and not in bad way. Its like a grey spot in your soul.

[Komori]

Actually, I can distinctly remember good times I had and laughs when I was leeching DNC to 90.

[Mrbeansman]

Me too. I cryed alot too, but i laught alot too when i had a great day and good exp. And if i look back i dont want to miss that time, it was very emotional.
But klicking boxes in Abyssea is not emotional, its boring and gives you nothing, you will not remember it, not in good and not in bad way. Its like a grey spot in your soul.
This sounds like a personal problem might I suggest therapy for dealing with these issues.

[Pharaun]

I swear that everyone who is all nostalgic over the old way of exping has some kind of video game Stockholm syndrome.

[hiko]

I did endgame, but endgame stuff for years. It is only Pimping, thats boring.
You only do that to perfect your gear.
Thats the Way how playing WoW or other cheap games, to get fast to engame and then pimp out of boredom.
But FFXI was/has to return to something special. You pimp but after a long time of fun with partys and other Events.
i always found dyna/sky/sea more fun than xp party
killing one single type of mob without moving for hours is boring

[Nacht]

Actually, I can distinctly remember good times I had and laughs when I was leeching DNC to 90.

^This, minus the DNC part.

I've done 2 types of leeching in abyssea.
First type involved dual boxing a leech + lvl 90 char in shitty pick up alliances. Play the lvl 90, get ops or AFK on the leech.

Second type involved holding KI for linkshell members AOE farming in Tahrongi for their empyrean weapons. We'd have 4-5 people doing actual work, and 6-12 people leeching exp and opening chests. If you collect all the KIs, you get to AFK, so we'd bitch at each other for stealing keyitems, etc.

[Kazen]

Zeitzone this is for you.

Again, that's your opinion and it's irrelevant to this discussion that you have started. The game hasn't changed for the worse at all, Abyssea has improved many aspects of the game that have been lacking for a long time. The players that you consider "lazy" are not new players; these players are the people that have been playing since 2003/2004 and no longer need the grind to be good. These players are already at the upper echelons of FFXI and are better than the rest of the server.

If you really miss leveling the old way... no one is stopping you. You can shout in Jeuno and form a party but that would require you not to be lazy like you're being currently. You're guilty of exactly what you're accusing everyone else of (read being lazy)... how hypocritical.

[Mrbeansman]

I swear that everyone who is all nostalgic over the old way of exping has some kind of video game Stockholm syndrome.

Pretty much.

[magnius]

Guys, if this is Pimpchan, he's just trolling. Ignore him. For your sanity.

[Zeitzone]

Zeitzone this is for you.

Again, that's your opinion and it's irrelevant to this discussion that you have started. The game hasn't changed for the worse at all, Abyssea has improved many aspects of the game that have been lacking for a long time. The players that you consider "lazy" are not new players; these players are the people that have been playing since 2003/2004 and no longer need the grind to be good. These players are already at the upper echelons of FFXI and are better than the rest of the server.

If you really miss leveling the old way... no one is stopping you. You can shout in Jeuno and form a party but that would require you not to be lazy like you're being currently. You're guilty of exactly what you're accusing everyone else of (read being lazy)... how hypocritical.

IC, so my Opinion and of the players who think the same as me do not count, while your opinion and the players who think like you counts. Isnt that a bit one-sided.
You think it has improved, we think it hasnt and it got worser.

[Sargeb33]

Old way of exp sucked the south end of a north bound donkey. With the recent updates to gaining exp you can solo to level 63 on FoV and the nice double exp. If they did raise it, I wouldn't raise it much. Say to 50 or 55. That's where the soloing gets to be like it was in the old days. So I say leave it. Every where you look you will have someone not knowing what to do. Just have patience and give guidance or just kick them from the party and find another lost soul to use.

[Greatguardian]

Hey GreatGuardian when did you start playing? You must be a total n00b since you support abyssea leeching. Me I'm a total n00b too since I support it, having only been playing this game since June of 2003...

Totally late, but it's not like the discussion has moved very far anyways. I am super n00b, as I have only been playing Final Fantasy XI since October of 2003. I am just super jealous of these people who have been playing since 2007 and are upset that Abyssea has introduced better alternatives to leveling than Colibri. I think Colibri were really intense EXP mobs. They taught melees that Bards are good and linking behavior is dangerous. I would not know how to play any of my jobs if I did not kill thousands of Colibri over and over with them.

Maybe if we change all Abyssea mobs to Colibri and gave them different level ranges, people would learn their jobs. That is how people leveled before Abyssea anyways. Level 30 > E Ron Colibri > more Colibri > Merit on Colibri. Would that work? I think it would teach everyone valuable Final Fantasy XI skills ^_^

[Mrbeansman]

IC, so my Opinion and of the players who think the same as me do not count, while your opinion and the players who think like you counts. Isnt that a bit one-sided.
You think it has improved, we think it hasnt and it got worser.

You have no more evidance of this then we do for our side. We will lose something if you have your way you on the other hand have lost nothing from this issue but the ease in which to do your activity.

[Kazen]

Learn to read. You're enforcing your opinion on everyone else as fact while you retain that theirs is only an opinion. My post was response to a combination of the posts you've had on the past few pages. I understand this may be hard for you to comprehend but you are no martyr for everyone else. Also, you do not need to randomly capitalize words in your sentences as it is incorrect and unnecessary.

I'm done responding to this specific troll, I have better things to do than talk to someone who can't even grasp the most simple of concepts.

[Pharaun]

Totally late, but it's not like the discussion has moved very far anyways. I am super n00b, as I have only been playing Final Fantasy XI since October of 2003. I am just super jealous of these people who have been playing since 2007 and are upset that Abyssea has introduced better alternatives to leveling than Colibri. I think Colibri were really intense EXP mobs. They taught melees that Bards are good and linking behavior is dangerous. I would not know how to play any of my jobs if I did not kill thousands of Colibri over and over with them.

Maybe if we change all Abyssea mobs to Colibri and gave them different level ranges, people would learn their jobs. That is how people leveled before Abyssea anyways. Level 30 > E Ron Colibri > more Colibri > Merit on Colibri. Would that work? I think it would teach everyone valuable Final Fantasy XI skills ^_^

I think so, since everyone knows that doing Sky/Sea/Limbus/Dynamis/Kings/ToAU Kings/Nyzul Isle/Salvage/Einherjar and now Abyssea was boring since it was only about getting gear and not about exping for months in order to become a better player.

[Kazen]

Greatguardian you're crazy, we should petition the removal of all colibri and other ToAU camps so people can level like we did by using moon, sky, and krt. While we're at it let's get SE to raise the amount of EXP needed to level again so it's more fair to the people like us that leveled like that originally.

I understand that this still won' be fair though, gear now is vastly superior to what we had (even low level gear) and we have food that gives acc now.

[Zeitzone]

Learn to read. You're enforcing your opinion on everyone else as fact while you retain that theirs is only an opinion. My post was response to a combination of the posts you've had on the past few pages. I understand this may be hard for you to comprehend but you are no martyr for everyone else. Also, you do not need to randomly capitalize words in your sentences as it is incorrect and unnecessary.

I'm done responding to this specific troll, I have better things to do than talk to someone who can't even grasp the most simple of concepts.

Yeah, you really are simple minded.
You have not understood what the Thread creator wanted. And just talking BS to keep your way.
Im done with this. Enjoy your poor ways of playing, anyways it will only last 1 more year till you all leave becouse you got nothing left to do in this game.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Actually, I can distinctly remember good times I had and laughs when I was leeching DNC to 90.Same. Sitting there with a staff so I could get the 3/tic from sundering slash. Laughing at the people who got blown up. Good times.

[Fashnek]

In short, i have different gear that i play in {most jobs have have 2-4 sets, macros, etc}, but i also like to run around when not in party in a totally different set. No if you are talking about that this certain player is the seeker/shouter, then i might, nah, still disagree with you.

[Greatguardian]

Greatguardian you're crazy, we should petition the removal of all colibri and other ToAU camps so people can level like we did by using moon, sky, and krt. While we're at it let's get SE to raise the amount of EXP needed to level again so it's more fair to the people like us that leveled like that originally.

I understand that this still won' be fair though, gear now is vastly superior to what we had (even low level gear) and we have food that gives acc now.

I approve of this idea ^_^

[hiko]

IC, so my Opinion and of the players who think the same as me do not count, while your opinion and the players who think like you counts. Isnt that a bit one-sided.
You think it has improved, we think it hasnt and it got worser.

you are the one acting "my opinion count, other's doesn't! raising aby min level prevent people who like aby xp to do it, not raising cap does NOT prevent people who dont like to xp outside

call me lazy gimp or whatever you want but i know i wont lvl new job outside of aby

if there was more than 10% of players that think like you (leeching aby is bad, old xp is good) you wouldnt have any issue building old style pt.

[Zeitzone]

You have no more evidance of this then we do for our side. We will lose something if you have your way you on the other hand have lost nothing from this issue but the ease in which to do your activity.

I already lost it when they added Abyssea. So dont say i do not lose something.
It already got lost. And we need to get it back to normal.

[Nacht]

Yeah, you really are simple minded.
You have not understood what the Thread creator wanted. And just talking BS to keep your way.

We understand exactly what the thread creator wanted and we disagree.

[Pharaun]

Greatguardian you're crazy, we should petition the removal of all colibri and other ToAU camps so people can level like we did by using moon, sky, and krt. While we're at it let's get SE to raise the amount of EXP needed to level again so it's more fair to the people like us that leveled like that originally.

I understand that this still won' be fair though, gear now is vastly superior to what we had (even low level gear) and we have food that gives acc now.

I also agree with this, I miss leveling on raptors in kuftal tunnel in the mid 50's and having someone accidentally pull Yowie, good times.

[Mrbeansman]

Enjoy your poor ways of playing, anyways it will only last 1 more year till you all leave becouse you got nothing left to do in this game.

Most people who play this game are casual players who can live off abyssea for years to come.

[Ramsos]

Yeah, you really are simple minded.
You have not understood what the Thread creator wanted. And just talking BS to keep your way.
Im done with this. Enjoy your poor ways of playing, anyways it will only last 1 more year till you all leave becouse you got nothing left to do in this game.

The original thread creator was a liar who claimed that they were an older player, when in fact there are a noob who only started playing after WoG.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

I also agree with this, I miss leveling on raptors in kuftal tunnel in the mid 50's and having someone accidentally pull Yowie, good times.People actualy fought those for XP? >.>

[Zeitzone]

you are the one acting "my opinion count, other's doesn't! raising aby min level prevent people who like aby xp to do it, not raising cap does NOT prevent people who dont like to xp outside

call me lazy gimp or whatever you want but i know i wont lvl new job outside of aby

if there was more than 10% of players that think like you (leeching aby is bad, old xp is good) you wouldnt have any issue building old style pt.

Adding Abyssea prevented ppl from forming partys, You sure say they still can from it, but thats a lie, its liek you had a Cookie on the table and were satisified for each day there was a cookie, then they add a cake, and all the greedy ones go for the cake instead of being satisfied with the cookie they been satisfied with for years.
The number of Cookie eaters gets lower becouse the cake is more delicate, and now there is noone making cookies for us anymore, only the cake we dont want.

[Pharaun]

People actualy fought those for XP? >.>

Hell yeah, I dinged into my Rdm hat on those.

[Kazen]

Yeah, you really are simple minded.
You have not understood what the Thread creator wanted. And just talking BS to keep your way.
Im done with this. Enjoy your poor ways of playing, anyways it will only last 1 more year till you all leave becouse you got nothing left to do in this game.

I think you meant to say

You really are simple minded. You have not understood what the thread creator want, yet you continue to talk bullshit to encourage people to agree with your opinion.

I'm done with this thread; enjoy your poor ways of playing this game because I'm unable to make an appropriate counter argument. This will only last one more year a best until you have nothing left to accomplish.


Thank you Zeitzone! Finally a post I can reply to!

You refer to me as "simple mind" but again that's an opinion. Perhaps instead of being "simple minded" I'm just more insightful on the current situation at hand. It is possible in one you I could run out of stuff to do but that isn't a realistic scenario that you have created. You are correct is saying I currently have about a years with of content to keep me busy, however, that's what game updates are for so that completely invalidates anything you have said.

I've been playing since 2003, I'm sure I can find plenty of stuff to keep me busy until the next update which provides me with new endgame content. I do thank you for your concern of how my simple mindedness may lead to my undoing but it's a concern you need not worry about.

[Nacht]

I like cake.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Hell yeah, I dinged into my Rdm hat on those.You were RDM and the PT wasn't fighting crabs? >.>

[Kazen]

People actualy fought those for XP? >.>

Yes they did, and in the 70s people leveled off of those terrible tigers and cocktrices in Kuftal Tunnel behind that rock that periodically goes up and down.

[Pharaun]

You were RDM and the PT wasn't fighting crabs? >.>

Nah, all the crab camps were taken. That's another thing that people forget about "ye olde exp", There were many times that it was impossible or next to impossible to find a decent camp.

Edit: Thinking about this even more, the scarcity of good exp camps back in the day cock-blocked more people from exping the old way than Abyssea ever has.

[Ramsos]

Yes they did, and in the 70s people leveled off of those terrible tigers and cocktrices in Kuftal Tunnel behind that rock that periodically goes up and down.

Pelican was always a fun mob for exp pts lol.

[Mrbeansman]

Adding Abyssea prevented ppl from forming partys, You sure say they still can from it, but thats a lie, its liek you had a Cookie on the table and were satisified for each day there was a cookie, then they add a cake, and all the greedy ones go for the cake instead of being satisfied with the cookie they been satisfied with for years.
The number of Cookie eaters gets lower becouse the cake is more delicate, and now there is noone making cookies for us anymore, only the cake we dont want.
I'm Pretty sure there has been more then 5 of you idiots complaining about this on these forums.

[Kazen]

Oh I forgot, if the tiger camp I mentioned was taken people leveled in Dragon's Aery off spiders!

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Yes they did, and in the 70s people leveled off of those terrible tigers and cocktrices in Kuftal Tunnel behind that rock that periodically goes up and down.REALY?! @.@
Why didn't you just to to the vally of sarrows at 70?

[Greatguardian]

Nah, all the crab camps were taken. That's another thing that people forget about "ye olde exp", There were many times that it was impossible or next to impossible to find a decent camp.

Maybe there should be a rule requiring all players in favor of Old EXP to have a Moongate Pass before posting ^___^.

(inb4 "What's a Moongate Pass?")

[Ramsos]

I miss the coerls in onzozo.

(party leader) you guys think we can take Ose?

[Pharaun]

Oh I forgot, if the tiger camp I mentioned was taken people leveled in Dragon's Aery off spiders!

Man, I remember leveling on the Darters in the pit when Fafnir popped. We kept on chugging until the group fighting him flailed it and killed us all.

[Zeitzone]

We understand exactly what the thread creator wanted and we disagree.

Well then acept that some ppl agree to him too, this is a discussion place, not a disagree Thread.
Different opinions will never work together and you cant make them belive your way. So best is if a thread is against your opinion you make 1 post in there for your statement against it and then leave, becouse whatever you say it will not change a thing. And this Thread is for raising the cap, there is a thread for decarasse the cap, thats the place where yo get more attention. Im not forbidding that anyone says its opinion, but you guys tring, in a Thread that says "lets raise the Cap", pressing ppl to your opinion.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Maybe there should be a rule requiring all players in favor of Old EXP to have a Moongate Pass before posting ^___^.

(inb4 "What's a Moongate Pass?")Still never got around to that, seing it's pointless behind that door. lol

[Kazen]

REALY?! @.@
Why didn't you just to to the vally of sarrows at 70?

Because none of the camps were ever open. This is something most of you won't remember because you started when ToAU exp was around. Valley of Sorrows was another camp in the 70s but Manticores had a lot of exp and were fairly annoying to exp off of. The manticore's Deadly Hold could one shot a 70ish melee so it sucked pretty bad.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Well then acept that some ppl agree to him too, this is a discussion place, not a disagree Thread.Dissagreeing is discussion, if everyone agreed, there wouldn't be anything to talk about.

[Zeitzone]

Man, I remember leveling on the Darters in the pit when Fafnir popped. We kept on chugging until the group fighting him flailed it and killed us all.

And you had fun!

[Komori]

Dude, whether people who like to leech in abyssea outnumber those that don't doesn't matter. Shout in Port Jeuno! You can make a party and get 5 people.

[Pharaun]

And you had fun!

It wasn't fun because we had to homepoint and ended up losing most of the exp we had gained for the day.

[Zeitzone]

Dissagreeing is discussion, if everyone agreed, there wouldn't be anything to talk about.

i know that, but if points are set you cant move them, so where does a discussion brings you? Nowhere.
Its just a endless talking for nothing from both sides.
At the end it is Flaming and has nothing more to do with a discussion. Precisely you cant even discusse about this becouse noone of us can resolve the problem, discussing is necessary to be directed to the person who can change the terms of the subject.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Because none of the camps were every open. This is something most of you won't remember because you started when ToAU exp was around. Valley of Sorrows was another camp in the 70s but Manticores had a lot of exp and were fairly annoying to exp off of. The manticore's Deadly Hold could one shot a 70ish melee so it sucked pretty bad.I played from the start and you don't right manticores to level ever. lol
Starting zone.(Windy had the best XP.)
Dunes.
Qufim.
Jungle.
Jungle.
Garlage.
QC.
Desert.
Kuftal.
Garlage.
Cape Terrigon.
Valley.
Done.

Post TAU.
55+ TAU everything.

Post Abyssea.
30+ Abyssea everything.

[Nacht]

Well then acept that some ppl agree to him too, this is a discussion place, not a disagree Thread.
Different opinions will never work together and you cant make them belive your way. So best is if a thread is against your opinion you make 1 post in there for your statement against it and then leave, becouse whatever you say it will not change a thing.

We're discussing our disagreement in this thread.

In the other thread, we discussed our agreement, while some other people discussed their disagreement. Over time and much discussion, those other people stopped posting about their disagreement, and the remaining people supported each other.

Now something similar is happening in this thread. Some people are agreeing with the thread and other people are disagreeing, and we're discussing our differences.

[Ramsos]

It wasn't fun because we had to homepoint and ended up losing most of the exp we had gained for the day.

^this. Nothing like taking 40 mins to get to a camp (because people are stupid and get lost, or get aggro, etc.) and dieing right after getting there because either your tank sucked or your healer sucked or some jp guy had to go to sleep and dropped pt with no warning.

[Greatguardian]

Because none of the camps were ever open. This is something most of you won't remember because you started when ToAU exp was around. Valley of Sorrows was another camp in the 70s but Manticores had a lot of exp and were fairly annoying to exp off of. The manticore's Deadly Hold could one shot a 70ish melee so it sucked pretty bad.

I had hoped to have blocked the memory of that camp from my mind for the rest of my FFXI-life. Thanks, Kazen :(

[Kazen]

I think a lot of you don't understand how bad exp really was back then. With the upcoming server merge and servers once again hitting 5k people this would become a reality again if what you propose is changed. This game simply does not offer enough exp camps to sustain what you want to happen again.

[Mrbeansman]

And you had fun!

So? Maybe we have more fun doing endgame. And because it obviously needs to be said again Leveling jobs does not = FFXI.

[Zeitzone]

What about seeing the Party fighting fafnir wipe, wasnt that funny? And lossing a bit exp, well thats life.
Only gaining with no risk isnt fun. I bet you had good pts there too, with great exp and alot of fun.
Ans if you think about the back on that situation there you maybe find yourself with a smile or grining in your face, how lol it was when fafnir came upon you.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

I think a lot of you don't understand how bad exp really was back then. With the upcoming server merge and servers once again hitting 5k people this would become a reality again if what you propose is changed. This game simply does not offer enough exp camps to sustain what you want to happen again.Never had any problem getting camps or PT in a pre-TAU world.

[Kazen]

The parties also always had that unprepared dude that didn't bring powders/oils also. He added even more to the wait time to get everyone to camp!

[Tsukino_Kaji]

The parties also always had that unprepared dude that didn't bring powders/oils also. He added even more to the wait time to get everyone to camp!I was the WHM, they didn't need them.

[Komori]

What about the lower levels? And the idiot who decided it was fun to afk one minute before airship and forgot to put /autorun on? And then didn't know how to make it to Yhoator!

[SNK]

REALY?! @.@
Why didn't you just to to the vally of sarrows at 70?

Valley of Sorrows was only really good til 62-63 tops. The Onnivik Camps were good until 70-71.

[Kazen]

Or the guy that zoned the horde of bats in citadel and you only feared the upcoming doom that was approaching. This also of course ended the party with the bonus of lost exp!

[Mrbeansman]

What about seeing the Party fighting fafnir wipe, wasnt that funny? And lossing a bit exp, well thats life.
Only gaining with no risk isnt fun. I bet you had good pts there too, with great exp and alot of fun.
Ans if you think about the back on that situation there you maybe find yourself with a smile or grining in your face, how lol it was when fafnir came upon you.

Forgive me I had no idea you held sway over what I considered fun.

[Nacht]

Only gaining with no risk isnt fun. I bet you had good pts there too, with great exp and alot of fun.
Ans if you think about the back on that situation there you maybe find yourself with a smile or grining in your face, how lol it was when fafnir came upon you.

Pre-abyssea, I can hardly remember exping. I remember some of the places I was and the jobs that I was on, but I don't recall any particularly noteworthy events. I do however remember a lot of the random shit that happened after I was level 75.

[SNK]

Come to think of it my 1st75 was RDM and I hit that at the old ass Ullikummi Camp room. I did a lot of KRT MNK burns also which was as close to old school speed merits you could get. Good times!

[Zeitzone]

We're discussing our disagreement in this thread.

In the other thread, we discussed our agreement, while some other people discussed their disagreement. Over time and much discussion, those other people stopped posting about their disagreement, and the remaining people supported each other.

Now something similar is happening in this thread. Some people are agreeing with the thread and other people are disagreeing, and we're discussing our differences.

Yeah but its more flaming than discussing.
Its just like i go on the street with 5 of my friends, search for a lonely person and start to bother him/her. All my friends will be on my side and he will be on his side alone, maybe he has luck and a passanger comes by and helps him.
Or he sees alot ppl are against him/her and stays quiet becouse he/she doesnt want to be draged into it.

Same happens here, mostly in such thread win ppl who have online friends at hand and are very agressive persons who think that only they have right and noone else. So thats us. Me, you, ans the others in here.
Most ppl think after a while "wtf why do i ever bother with those ...", and stop posting becouse they see that its meaningles to argue with ppl who do not accept any other sight.
So this here is flaming and nothing else. A discussion is made between ppl who can change the situation itself.
We cant.

[Kazen]

Your posts are incredibly difficult to read, is it possible you can spend an extra 2-3 minutes to make them a little more readable? That little red line under words means that they're not spelled correctly and by right clicking (or shift click for mac) you can select the correct alternative to make it a lot more readable.

I agree with the other guy however, discussion is when 2 opposing thought processes come to talk which in this case is in the form of a discussion.

[Nacht]

Yeah but its more flaming than discussing.
I believe some of us were attempting to correct erroneous statements. The following is a summary of certain excerpt of the previous pages.

There were statements including (paraphrased) "only new players like leeching," which was an incorrect assumption. In fact many players both new and old enjoy leeching.

There were statements involving (paraphrased) "once you finish leveling all your jobs to 90, there's nothing to do," when in fact there are plenty of things to do at level 90.

There were statements implying that activities prior to reaching level 75 were more fun than activities conducted after reaching level 75. This is in fact an opinion, and we were expressing our opinion of a contrary nature.

Now, I won't argue that we were all being civil about it, but that goes on a person to person basis.


So this here is flaming and nothing else. A discussion is made between ppl who can change the situation itself.
We cant.
Lock thread then. None of us can change the situation

[Zeitzone]

And Locking htread is not in my power eighter, but yes, Forummaster plz lock the thread.
Anyways in German Forum the level cap 75 Abyssea wins, most germans want it.

[Mrbeansman]

And Locking htread is not in my power eighter, but yes, Forummaster plz lock the thread.
Anyways in German Forum the level cap 75 Abyssea wins, most germans want it.

Then you can go get some german friends and go back to whacking colibris.

[Komori]

Oooh, so just because it won in the germans section means it should be put on everyone.

[Zeitzone]

Oooh, so just because it won in the germans section means it should be put on everyone.

No, and it wasnt me who opened this thread, but it shows that ppl can be different opinion too, and that the site your represent isnt everywhere as strong as here. Becouse it looks like you already scared away from this Thread all ppl not your opinion by endlessly flaming on them till theyre gone.
There is a huge difference in this Forumbetween German and English way of discussion, while English discussion looks alwasy like flaming till the oponet says "wtf my time is to precieus for this"
The posts in the German section are really more like normal discussion, less pushing on those with different opinion.

Anyways I have been in german forums with the same bad Flaming preasure too.
But here is it more peacefull.

[Kazen]

That's a new one, I haven't flamed a single person in this thread. I have provided logical thought trains and I've been very open to any form of debate.

[hiko]

if you want lvl70+ aby==>http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/2914-New-server-suggestion?p=37146&viewfull=1#post37146

[Zeitzone]

I apologize that was a little overboard however I personally don't have a problem with the way things are currently, I think level 30 is fine.

That's a new one, I haven't flamed a single person in this thread. I have provided logical thought trains and I've been very open to any form of debate.

Please remove that first spelling up there, i think it could be a reason that they bann you, and i dont want that.
Well for me you have shown no logial thoughts, you only say that you want it that way, where is there a logical thought?
You gave me not a single reason i could accept to say: Ok, maybe you are right, maybe we can leave it like it is.
As long i get no reason makes me think that way it isnt logical. :)

[RAIST]

Ewwww BLM solo leveling.

tell me about it... 62 to 75 on mine back in the day... and for some sadistic reason I capped Staff Unlocked retribution on it), Club (and Black Halo), Dagger, and Scythe on it... a large part of that via besieged. <shudders>

[Kazen]

Notice how I said "thought trains" and not "thoughts". I'm not implying you in particular think this way but rather this is one way of thinking. Yet again, you fail to comprehend what exactly people are saying.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

tell me about it... 62 to 75 on mine back in the day... and for some sadistic reason I capped Staff Unlocked retribution on it), Club (and Black Halo), Dagger, and Scythe on it... a large part of that via besieged. <shudders>Besieged is by no means, "back in the day." lol
And you forgot to Raist again.

Raist.

[Mrbeansman]

Please remove that first spelling up there, i think it could be a reason that they bann you, and i dont want that.
Well for me you have shown no logial thoughts, you only say that you want it that way, where is there a logical thought?
You gave me not a single reason i could accept to say: Ok, maybe you are right, maybe we can leave it like it is.
As long i get no reason makes me think that way it isnt logical. :)
It doesn't matter if you think our arguments are logical. You still don't understand that if you put in a tiny bit more work you can have your old school parties without taking away our leaching.

[Zeitzone]

It doesn't matter if you think our arguments are logical. You still don't understand that if you put in a tiny bit more work you can have your old school parties without taking away our leaching.

Its not like i whouldnt have them, i have a whole ls doing Partys on all levels.
But its still not the same it is used to be, then better splitt servers in one with Abyssea access on 75 and on on 30 or even levle 1 if you want.
As long as you stay there and never get access to our Server/World becouse of the unfair advancement you have on your server.

[Nacht]

Personally, I feel that if they had originally introduced Abyssea as level 70 or w/e, then that's one thing. However, I strongly disagree with raising the minimum level after it's been around for this long.

[Flunklesnarkin]

That's a new one, I haven't flamed a single person in this thread. I have provided logical thought trains and I've been very open to any form of debate.

We don't take kindly to your "logic" round here >:U

[Nacht]

We don't take kindly to your "logic" round here >:U

We don't take kindly to folks who don't take kindly around here.

[Mrbeansman]

Its not like i whouldnt have them, i have a whole ls doing Partys on all levels.
But its still not the same it is used to be, then better splitt servers in one with Abyssea access on 75 and on on 30 or even levle 1 if you want.
As long as you stay there and never get access to our Server/World becouse of the unfair advancement you have on your server.

How is it unfair? Leaching wasn't some well kept secret, it was used rampantly only weeks after being discovered. If SE thought it was unfair and an exploit they would of fixed it long ago.

[Zeitzone]

How is it unfair? Leaching wasn't some well kept secret, it was used rampantly only weeks after being discovered. If SE thought it was unfair and an exploit they would of fixed it long ago.

Its unfair for those who do not want to play this new Leechingstyle.
And im one of those persons, i didnt leech a single time yet. And for sure never will do it.
i play the old way and im proud on, but if i see alot of Noobs(not all) around me in the game runing with level 90 and do not even know how to play them job or not even have a feeling for the job they use, i kinda feel sad.
FFXI was for me always a game where you chose a Job, you get a personal bound to that job by slowly leveling it up and experience many ways to work with it, and after you done you take the next second Job you like.
By Leveling the subs to 37 you had the chance to experience many job and then chose if you want to bring it higher becouse it fits your taste.
But players today dont care about the job, it just has to be Level 90, all other doesnt interest them, they go in Abyssea open a chest and level up multiple levels. They never learned to love the job. Never experienced a thick bound to it, and then play it, maybe they can be good in it, but mostly they lack at feeling how to play, no respect for the job they use becouse it was so simply to get it up, fast the job is forgotten and the next one is 90, not even having a good gear.
Later they can offer all jobs but very gimp and mostly with bad playing.

[RAIST]

Besieged is by no means, "back in the day." lol

lol.. this game... you loose all sense of time... how f-in long have I been in this game.... when the hell did TAU come out anyway... 2006? Old man syndrome... can't remember sh!t.... All TAU really did for me was provide a platform for skilling weapons on my mages....

All I can say is thank gawd for Abyssea. I actually only leeched one job part the way from 60-85 while I was running errands, than skillup as I xp'ed the rest of the way to 90 in that same session. But hell.. after doing 9 other jobs via "normal" xp and "accelerated" (no leech, but xp party style) xp...I think I earned the right to do it.

hell... if I had known it was coming, I would have left every single one of my jobs at 40 instead of rushing to get all of the none 75 ones to 51 before the first level cap was lifted (except the 4 I never unlocked). But, it was a CHOICE.

Think that is something seriously lost in this debate. You have a CHOICE. If you want to smack pink birds in the past... by all means, knock yourself out. Use your NPC if you can't team up--you have your own private WHM that can go to what... 75% of the areas now?

Experience points are almost as pointless as gil anymore...it all just comes so easily (in comparison to the past).

Raist

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Abyssea got me 90BRD, I hate BRD.

[Dubberrucky]

Its unfair for those who do not want to play this new Leechingstyle.
And im one of those persons, i didnt leech a single time yet. And for sure never will do it.
i play the old way and im proud on, but if i see alot of Noobs(not all) around me in the game runing with level 90 and do not even know how to play them job or not even have a feeling for the job they use, i kinda feel sad.
FFXI was for me always a game where you chose a Job, you get a personal bound to that job by slowly leveling it up and experience many ways to work with it, and after you done you take the next second Job you like.
By Leveling the subs to 37 you had the chance to experience many job and then chose if you want to bring it higher becouse it fits your taste.
But players today dont care about the job, it just has to be Level 90, all other doesnt interest them, they go in Abyssea open a chest and level up multiple levels. They never learned to love the job. Never experienced a thick bound to it, and then play it, maybe they can be good in it, but mostly they lack at feeling how to play, no respect for the job they use becouse it was so simply to get it up, fast the job is forgotten and the next one is 90, not even having a good gear.
Later they can offer all jobs but very gimp and mostly with bad playing.

I agree with you but tbh the best suggestion out there to date to fix this issue without taking enjoyment from either side is this http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/2914-New-server-suggestion

[Flunklesnarkin]

I think zeitzone has some sort of genetic disorder impairing logic..

just because people leech doesn't mean you have to party with them.. find like minded people and go enjoy the game

I've seen plenty of abyssea parties that won't invite anybody below level 75.. if you hate it that much do that or exp elsewhere with folks like that.

You are trying to force your ideas of how the game should be played on others

[Mrbeansman]

Its unfair for those who do not want to play this new Leechingstyle.
And im one of those persons, i didnt leech a single time yet. And for sure never will do it.
i play the old way and im proud on, but if i see alot of Noobs(not all) around me in the game runing with level 90 and do not even know how to play them job or not even have a feeling for the job they use, i kinda feel sad.
FFXI was for me always a game where you chose a Job, you get a personal bound to that job by slowly leveling it up and experience many ways to work with it, and after you done you take the next second Job you like.
By Leveling the subs to 37 you had the chance to experience many job and then chose if you want to bring it higher becouse it fits your taste.
But players today dont care about the job, it just has to be Level 90, all other doesnt interest them, they go in Abyssea open a chest and level up multiple levels. They never learned to love the job. Never experienced a thick bound to it, and then play it, maybe they can be good in it, but mostly they lack at feeling how to play, no respect for the job they use becouse it was so simply to get it up, fast the job is forgotten and the next one is 90, not even having a good gear.
Later they can offer all jobs but very gimp and mostly with bad playing.

That's quite the fantasy you've dug up there thanks for proving how much a minority you really are. I have to ask this now did you even try endgame? Do you do anything in this game that isn't leveling? If you answered no to either then you have no right to dictate how any of us play the game.

[Ramsos]

That's quite the fantasy you've dug up there thanks for proving how much a minority you really are. I have to ask this now did you even try endgame? Do you do anything in this game that isn't leveling? If you answered no to either then you have no right to dictate how any of us play the game.

I asked him this earlier. He claims to have done endgame but gearing jobs is boring so he doesnt like it. Not in those exact words but its hard to type like he does w/o stabbing yourself in the face.

[Zeitzone]

I think zeitzone has some sort of genetic disorder impairing logic..

just because people leech doesn't mean you have to party with them.. find like minded people and go enjoy the game

I've seen plenty of abyssea parties that won't invite anybody below level 75.. if you hate it that much do that or exp elsewhere with folks like that.

You are trying to force your ideas of how the game should be played on others

Not how it should be played, how it had been played for over 7 years!
Ppl with my opinion stop playng this game becouse of this.
Becouse you cant have 2 so strong different ways of leveling in a game, and if you had take the time and read some older posts you whould make such a BS post becouse i already explained it more times, most simply with the cookie and cake explanation.
They changed the way of playing radicaly without to think about the players.

[RAIST]

just curious... where is the OP? 1200 posts now...lol

Hate to see it go, but as it appears to really be going nowhere... maybe the OP should delete it...

[Mrbeansman]

Not how it should be played, how it had been played for over 7 years!
Ppl with my opinion stop playng this game becouse of this.
Becouse you cant have 2 so strong different ways of leveling in a game, and if you had take the time and read some older posts you whould make such a BS post becouse i already explained it more times, most simply with the cookie and cake explanation.
They changed the way of playing radicaly without to think about the players.

If this is the case why are you still here?

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Ppl with my opinion stop playng this game becouse of this.This is the vast minority, like people who hold onto 2nd ED.

[Flunklesnarkin]

Not how it should be played, how it had been played for over 7 years!
Ppl with my opinion stop playng this game becouse of this.
Becouse you cant have 2 so strong different ways of leveling in a game, and if you had take the time and read some older posts you whould make such a BS post becouse i already explained it more times, most simply with the cookie and cake explanation.
They changed the way of playing radicaly without to think about the players.

Sure you can have different ways of leveling.. if so many people feel as strongly as you that the old way was the "purest" (lol) way of exping.. then you shouldn't have a problem making a party with them..

Why should your idea of how the game should be played affect others..


whats with the germans and keeping things pure anyways.. last time that happened WW2 started >_>

[Zeitzone]

That's quite the fantasy you've dug up there thanks for proving how much a minority you really are. I have to ask this now did you even try endgame? Do you do anything in this game that isn't leveling? If you answered no to either then you have no right to dictate how any of us play the game.

I have access to all areas, i played Sky, Sea-items ,Limbus, Campaign, Besieged, Assault, Conquest, Dynamis, HNMS, NMs, INMS, BCNM, KSNM, Escorts. Killed all till Bahamut 1 fight, then i waited for future shouts but there were never some. well im sure i forgott alot what i did
Finished CoP, ZM, ToAU, stoped on half by WoTG, Beat Maat with all my 75 Jobs(old Jobs), crafted alot.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

if so many people feel as strongly as you that the old way was the "purest" (lol) way of exping.. then you shouldn't have a problem making a party with them..And no level sync either, that would be hypocratic. lol

[Zeitzone]

Sure you can have different ways of leveling.. if so many people feel as strongly as you that the old way was the "purest" (lol) way of exping.. then you shouldn't have a problem making a party with them..

Why should your idea of how the game should be played affect others..


whats with the germans and keeping things pure anyways.. last time that happened WW2 started >_>

Gosh, i sayd read the older threads, i already sayd i got a whole ls for pting old style, but we dont want to be on a server with ppl who leechstyle becouse its unfair, dont you get that.

And stop the Nazi shit here, we all know that the U.S.A./American Nation did alot worser things then Germany could ever do.
Slavery, Killing all native Americans, killing inocent vietnamese for a war america startet, Attacking Iran with a lie of Nuclear Weapons, Attacking Afghanistan after Bush faked a terrorist attack by ordering 2 Planes to rush in the twin tower just to get oil becouse U.S.A. drive such big cars that theyr oil reserves got low and they dont want to pay more for it.

[Kazen]

Finally I understand why my "logic" failed to make a connection.

[Ramsos]

Gosh, i sayd read the older threads, i already sayd i got a whole ls for pting old style, but we dont want to be on a server with ppl who leechstyle becouse its unfair, dont you get that.

And stop the Nazi shit here, we all know that the U.S.A./American Nation did alot worser things then Germany could ever do.
Slavery, Killing all native Americans, killing inocent vietnamese for a war america startet, Attacking Iran with a lie of Nuclear Weapons, Attacking Afghanistan after Bush faked a terrorist attack by ordering 2 Planes to rush in the twin tower just to get oil becouse U.S.A. drive such big cars that theyr oil reserves got low and they dont want to pay more for it.

u mad?

1234567890

[Flunklesnarkin]

right so you deserve your own special server rules because you are a unique special snowflake...

it's so intolerable to be on the same server as other people who have a different view on the game as you..

[Zeitzone]

Im not mad, i just hate when Americans point witht he finger at germans becouse ww2 while american did and still do even worser things.
Im not even german, i just live in germany, im born in a country wich was under german controll while 2nd world war, my grandfather fought as partisan against the german nazis, but i am not insulting them, becouse germans are no nazis.
Serbian or American Nation has more Nazis than Germany.

[Nacht]

Gosh, i sayd read the older threads, i already sayd i got a whole ls for pting old style, but we dont want to be on a server with ppl who leechstyle becouse its unfair, dont you get that.

How are these other people affecting your gameplay?

Honestly, what's the difference if they exp their job through leeching in abyssea or leeching via Smn burns? People are going to find the easy way to level because it's just more time efficient.

Furthermore, there's going to be gimpy players who can't play a job regardless of whether they leveled the job in pre-toau, in toau, level sync'd, smn burn'd, abyssea leech'd, etc. There's also going to be great players who leveled jobs via leeching. The method in which people level has little impact on whether or not they're a good player. It's more of a mindset.

[Zeitzone]

right so you deserve your own special server rules because you are a unique special snowflake...

it's so intolerable to be on the same server as other people who have a different view on the game as you..

Guy, did you just come here for worthless flaming? Since your first post you do not do anything other.
The style i want to play was first. So im not imagining a new way of playing, i just want the old way back. So it is not my way, its the way we all played.
And as all agree here the old way is harder to play. So its just logicaly that you Split servers if you use 2 different syles.
Same is in other games, there are servers where you only need half of the exp to level up as on other servers, or like in browser strategy games different runing speeds, so you can just put someone with speed 1 together with someone with speed 5 on a server, becouse it whould be unfair and has noting to do with selection like you trying to flame.

[Ramsos]

Im not mad, i just hate when Americans point witht he finger at germans becouse ww2 while american did and still do even worser things.
Im not even german, i just live in germany, im born in a country wich was under german controll while 2nd world war, my grandfather fought as partisan against the german nazis, but i am not insulting them, becouse germans are no nazis.
Serbian or American Nation has more Nazis than Germany.

You know that like 1/2 that post is complete fantasy right? Slavery was not done solely in America. The Native American comment is 100% correct, but we invaded "Iraq" not "Iran" and the whole 9/11 nonsense you posted is pure fiction.

[Flunklesnarkin]

Guy, did you just come here for worthless flaming? Since your first post you do not do anything other.
The style i want to play was first. So im not imagining a new way of playing, i just want the old way back. So it is not my way, its the way we all played.
And as all agree here the old way is harder to play. So its just logicaly that you Split servers if you use 2 different syles.
Same is in other games, there are servers where you only need half of the exp to level up as on other servers, or like in browser strategy games different runing speeds, so you can just put someone with speed 1 together with someone with speed 5 on a server, becouse it whould be unfair and has noting to do with selection like you trying to flame.

I don't flame.. I'm more of a logic torpedo.. I have my sights locked


*Target Acquired* Beeeep

[Kazen]

I don't flame.. I'm more of a logic torpedo.. I have my sights locked


*Target Acquired* Beeeep

Wouldn't that be more of an anti-logic torpedo? Little of the posts made by this guy have been logical.

[Zeitzone]

How are these other people affecting your gameplay?

Honestly, what's the difference if they exp their job through leeching in abyssea or leeching via Smn burns? People are going to find the easy way to level because it's just more time efficient.

Furthermore, there's going to be gimpy players who can't play a job regardless of whether they leveled the job in pre-toau, in toau, level sync'd, smn burn'd, abyssea leech'd, etc. There's also going to be great players who leveled jobs via leeching. The method in which people level has little impact on whether or not they're a good player. It's more of a mindset.

They effect my play by not beeing compactible with my way of gameplay.
So they take worldspots other players who want to play like i do whould want.
On a other server there are too 1000 ppl and they are too splittet in 2 groups, so why not put from server A and B all ppl who want to play the old way together and give them the old way, while giving the other an different server with the new way.
In the past there were 1000-2000 players on the server and they all played like i do and there was no problem, now there are maybe 500 Player who want to play like i do an they are hard to get together, alot players whould play the old way if there whouldnt be such a tasty cake named Abyssea wich gives them quick exo without any playing.

[Zeitzone]

Wouldn't that be more of an anti-logic torpedo? Little of the posts made by this guy have been logical.

Strage that you always think that someone is a guy just becouse you dont like it.
Anyways you both fit togehter, you should marry.

[Ramsos]

They effect my play by not beeing compactible with my way of gameplay.
So they take worldspots other players who want to play like i do whould want.
On a other server there are too 1000 ppl and they are too splittet in 2 groups, so why not put from server A and B all ppl who want to play the old way together and give them the old way, while giving the other an different server with the new way.
In the past there were 1000-2000 players on the server and they all played like i do and there was no problem, now there are maybe 500 Player who want to play like i do an they are hard to get together, alot players whould play the old way if there whouldnt be such a tasty cake named Abyssea wich gives them quick exo without any playing.

If there are 500 people on your server who want to play the way you do, I dont see the problem here. Theres servers who have barely 500 people at peak hours.

[Kazen]

No, I just assume everyone on the internet is a guy. It's a way of speaking because more than likely it will be men posting on a video game forum as opposed to women. I find it completely hilarious that you of all people would try to correct my grammar when you can't even form correct sentences in the language of the forum you're posting in. I realize you most likely speak German; how about you go post on the German forums instead as opposed to giving everyone here an aneurysm trying to read your posts.

Also, you seem to have a case of the Mayad's.

[Zeitzone]

Still 500 is alot less than it has been before, and it really is noticable.

[Zeitzone]

No, I just assume everyone on the internet is a guy. It's a way of speaking because more than likely it will be men posting on a video game forum as opposed to women. I find it completely hilarious that you of all people would try to correct my grammar when you can't even form correct sentences in the language of the forum you're posting in. I realize you most likely speak German; how about you go post on the German forums instead as opposed to giving everyone here an aneurysm trying to read your posts.

Also, you seem to have a case of the Mayad's.

Correcting gender has nothing to do with correcting grammar.
And what you wrote was very racial, just becouse i do not write perfect english you want to forbidde me to write in this forum.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Still 500 is alot less than it has been before, and it really is noticable.The rest of them jumped on the conformity band wagon. Join us.

[Flunklesnarkin]

There is no arguing logic with women.. the sooner men learn this the happier they will be >_>

[Zeitzone]

There is no arguing logic with women.. the sooner men learn this the happier they will be >_>

And thats sexist.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

There is no arguing logic with women.. the sooner men learn this the happier they will be >_>Men don't run on logic. The sooner wemon learn this the happier they will be.

[Ramsos]

Serious question, Zeitzone are you Feiwong?

* Bad grammar : Check

* Cries about cheating : Check

* Acts like the world is against them : Check

* Refuses to give up even when multiple people tell them they are wrong : Check

* Makes racist attacks with very little provocation : Check

"Zeitzone", what are your views on RMTs and ballista?

[Kazen]

How is it being racial? I'm only looking out for the well being of the community by preventing the spread of aneurysms from trying to comprehend your posts. The same posts that think Bush caused 9/11 (lol).

It's not even a matter of perfect English... even my English has errors and as such is not perfect. The English you have been writing is barely readable at best and I feel you would better be able to get your point across if you posted in a forum which was of your native language.

[Zeitzone]

Men don't run on logic. The sooner wemon learn this the happier they will be.

Thats a thing i agree.^^

[Zeitzone]

How is it being racial? I'm only looking out for the well being of the community by preventing the spread of aneurysms from trying to comprehend your posts. The same posts that think Bush caused 9/11 (lol).

It's not even a matter of perfect English... even my English has errors and as such is not perfect. The English you have been writing is barely readable at best and I feel you would better be able to get your point across if you posted in a forum which was of your native language.

Yeah, but there i cant learn better english, here i can, by observing.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

"Zeitzone", what are your views on RMTs and ballista?RMTs were good for the ingame ecconomy.
Ballista was a borring and pointless choice for a coop game.

[Kazen]

Oh if that's the case excuse me while I go babblefish my way through the German forums and see if they mind.

[Zeitzone]

they will not mind, as long you at last can build a spelling, they dont care if the grammar is correct or in wrong time period.
But you should wait maybe 8 Hrs, its nearly 2am here and you will not get much response.

[Mrbeansman]

Gosh, i sayd read the older threads, i already sayd i got a whole ls for pting old style, but we dont want to be on a server with ppl who leechstyle becouse its unfair, dont you get that.

And stop the Nazi shit here, we all know that the U.S.A./American Nation did alot worser things then Germany could ever do.
Slavery, Killing all native Americans, killing inocent vietnamese for a war america startet, Attacking Iran with a lie of Nuclear Weapons, Attacking Afghanistan after Bush faked a terrorist attack by ordering 2 Planes to rush in the twin tower just to get oil becouse U.S.A. drive such big cars that theyr oil reserves got low and they dont want to pay more for it.

I'm sorry I didn't realize I was dealing with someone who does not act within the realm of sanity. Seriously I'm sorry I've enabled you to keep spreading your insanity.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

It is sad that most of you don't even realize it.... Abyssea is slowly strangling FFXI, so slow that you dont feel it. But trust me, if nothing is done, or if they even act on the stupid idea of lowering the entry to lv1, the game will die. I came back because Abyssea looked cool, and I wanted to level some of my jobs to the 99 cap, came back for my friends and LS that still play, and for a few other reasons, but I am not sure that I made the right choice anymore......

I am seeing the game I loved for so long, slowly dieing, and no one seems to care, they just want their damn armor.........

[Mrbeansman]

It is sad that most of you don't even realize it.... Abyssea is slowly strangling FFXI, so slow that you dont feel it. But trust me, if nothing is done, or if they even act on the stupid idea of lowering the entry to lv1, the game will die. I came back because Abyssea looked cool, and I wanted to level some of my jobs to the 99 cap, came back for my friends and LS that still play, and for a few other reasons, but I am not sure that I made the right choice anymore......

I am seeing the game I loved for so long, slowly dieing, and no one seems to care, they just want their damn armor.........

No what really is sad is the way that you people cling to the past. The game changed and you're to preoccupied with nostalgia to move on and even entertain the idea that this change was for the better.

[Skybrit]

We will have to agree to disagree. Its not as easy as " just stay out of leeching alliances and go play the your old way". I Already had to leave one server because most jobs 30 plus had gone to Abyss and other areas were deserted. People left the game because the regular community was dying, the AH died (no need for food or gear or synthing), and new players would not stay. You have to realize that many people are not trying to "beat the game" and get to 90 and aquire the top gear. To a lot of players it is a community that they come to and enjoy some challenges with friends and a world they travel and enjoy. Its just two different game philosophies and because goals differ, so do methods. Unfortunately, the pursuit of one by some makes life hard in the game for others.

[Dew]

This many posts and pages and most of it is how this persons way is right and other ways are no good. It's simple you don't like doing Abyssea leveling, don't do it. You don't like Abyssea don't get the add-ons. You don't like the old way of leveling don't level that way. You don't like doing something this way or that way, don't do it. Complaining won't change the fact it's that way.

Simple fact is it's not your game, it's SE's game. Just because you pay your monthly fee doesn't mean everything should be your way only. Everyone pays the monthly fee. Simple fact is no matter what is changed in the game, things here won't change. There will always be people not happy that this isn't how they want it or that isn't how they want it.

[Greatguardian]

@Skybrit: No. What I'm hearing is "Because the new way is more popular, there are fewer people who want to do things the old way with me/others." That is not a case of being impaired. That is a case of being unpopular.

Trends die. You can't make anyone play your way because it's "better", "more pure", or "Real FFXI". I'm sorry that you like something that other people don't want to do. But that's all there is to it.

[Mrbeansman]

. Unfortunately, the pursuit of one by some makes life hard in the game for others.

I agree unfortunately you are the some not the others, you do understand this right. Your desire to change things will inconvenience the majority. The game has changed and for the vast majority who chose not to hang on to the past the change was for the better.

[Valaris]

honestly i dont think the argument should be about the lvling aspect really. about 80% of the zones sit empty because no one uses them and no one seeks partys at the lvls for those zones. so its all kinda just a waste really if they dont up the lvl cap or put a restriction like no xp in abyssea or dominion till your lvl 60+ and im being nice about that cause thats around the time people start taking jobs into dynamis or endgame stuff so thats when they should be able to benefit from endgame content. and on the lowering to lvl 1 to get into abyssea. ive said it in this thread already but if they do that they might as well just delete vanadiel all togeather and just move all the homepoints and moghouses into abyssea because thats all the game will be anyway

[Zeitzone]

I really dont get it why those players are so obsessed by leeching.
We dont want remove Abyssea, we just want to raise the entrace level to 70-75.
There is nothing wrong at that idea.
You still got your Abyssea and still can get EXP in there, you still get your pimp armors.
Its just one point we try to stop, the leeching, and for all those who are against this idea, the only thing they show us that they are gimp player, becouse they so intensively try to prevent the stoping of cheap leeching.
ANYONE who argues against the raise of the entrance level just wants to keep cheap leeching up his Jobs. Nothing else stands behind them Idea to keep the low Level entrance.
And it doesnt matter if you played for years in ffxi the old fashion way, now you are a leecher, nothing more.

[RaenRyong]

Link to your character. I am a proud Abyssea leech and yet I believe there is a good chance I am less gimp than you. If this is untrue, I will apologise.

The only people I've seen bitch about Abyssea leeching so far are those who do nothing in Abyssea but exp... or in the game for that matter.

EDIT: To be clear, I don't view myself as some undefeatable god of FFXI. Just if you want to cast a net calling countless people gimp, you had best have the strength to tie us up in it. There are many better players than me who Abyssea leech also - I am simply the first to make this challenge by coincidence, not because I view myself as top of the pile.

[Vivik]

Link to your character. I am a proud Abyssea leech and yet I believe there is a good chance I am less gimp than you. If this is untrue, I will apologise.

The only people I've seen bitch about Abyssea leeching so far are those who do nothing in Abyssea but exp... or in the game for that matter.

EDIT: To be clear, I don't view myself as some undefeatable god of FFXI. Just if you want to cast a net calling countless people gimp, you had best have the strength to tie us up in it. There are many better players than me who Abyssea leech also - I am simply the first to make this challenge by coincidence, not because I view myself as top of the pile.

That's pretty much it, they wont, because they are gimps.

[Komori]

I really dont get it why those players are so obsessed by leeching.
We dont want remove Abyssea, we just want to raise the entrace level to 70-75.
There is nothing wrong at that idea.
You still got your Abyssea and still can get EXP in there, you still get your pimp armors.
Its just one point we try to stop, the leeching, and for all those who are against this idea, the only thing they show us that they are gimp player, becouse they so intensively try to prevent the stoping of cheap leeching.
ANYONE who argues against the raise of the entrance level just wants to keep cheap leeching up his Jobs. Nothing else stands behind them Idea to keep the low Level entrance.
And it doesnt matter if you played for years in ffxi the old fashion way, now you are a leecher, nothing more.

Or instead of sitting on your high horse and trying to change the way other people level their jobs. You could get people who share your own opinion and make parties in the older areas; because nothing is stopping you from doing so. While your trying to force; your way of thinking and opinions upon the rest of the community and that's just going to get people mad with you. Because abyssea exists and the cap is 30; is it somehow blocking you from zoning into old areas? Is the existance of the level minimum somehow from shouting in Port Jeuno to get five others who would like a cool-down and old-style party?

[Zeitzone]

Link to your character. I am a proud Abyssea leech and yet I believe there is a good chance I am less gimp than you. If this is untrue, I will apologise.

The only people I've seen bitch about Abyssea leeching so far are those who do nothing in Abyssea but exp... or in the game for that matter.

EDIT: To be clear, I don't view myself as some undefeatable god of FFXI. Just if you want to cast a net calling countless people gimp, you had best have the strength to tie us up in it. There are many better players than me who Abyssea leech also - I am simply the first to make this challenge by coincidence, not because I view myself as top of the pile.

And there you show us the gimp noob you are, dont you get it? Its not how much jobs or what kind of gear you have that shows if you are a noob. Every noob can have good gear in Abyssea leeching.
Showing your char here makes it look like a gimp noob who bargs with its char.
And you are changing the subject becouse you cant argue against the point that we just want to change the entrance level for Abyssea to 70+, becouse then you lose all your substanze and show us that you are only against it becouse you are a leech who doesnt want to play the old fashion way.
I have no reason to show my char here becouse i dislike such arrogant exibithion.
I got two accounts and can even PL myself but i mostly dislike that becouse i prefer to level in nice pts.

[Zeitzone]

Or instead of sitting on your high horse and trying to change the way other people level their jobs. You could get people who share your own opinion and make parties in the older areas; because nothing is stopping you from doing so. While your trying to force; your way of thinking and opinions upon the rest of the community and that's just going to get people mad with you. Because abyssea exists and the cap is 30; is it somehow blocking you from zoning into old areas? Is the existance of the level minimum somehow from shouting in Port Jeuno to get five others who would like a cool-down and old-style party?

And again a subject change, noone of you can argue against the leeching factor and that is the only way why you want it level 30, istead of that you try to insult me that i do not find ppl for partyes.
I already sayd that i find them, thats not my main problem, my problem is the leeching and it could be easy removed by raising the entrance level, yet again you lose nothing, you still can go in Abyssea, and do all the abyssea things, just not with level 30, a Level 1-69 has nothing to do in Abyssea becouse you can do nothing in there, try to kill a Mob.

[Zeitzone]

That's pretty much it, they wont, because they are gimps.

We dont do it becouse we are no poser, Leechers are posers.
And thats why you try to change the subject.
Becouse if we take everything away from your acc you got trough leeching there will not much be left.

[RaenRyong]

So "noob" or "gimp" = "doesn't agree with my philosophy"? Gotcha.

I didn't argue because we've already stated our points many, many times but:

No, we do not want to play the game the old way again. I levelled five jobs back the "old way" and it was generally tedious as hell. Taking months to be able to do something that isn't mindless exping? Popular job or gtfo mentality? "Need to exp, let's put aside my free time for today" again? Remember that sinking feeling when a potentially good setup is ruined by that gimp as hell full AF SAM who unfortunately just became your sixth member? Bard or gtfo?

You have a reason to show your character here because you are making unsubstantiated strong assertions. What happens when it turns out that a large majority of the "gimp" and "noob" crowd turn out to be better than you? What does that make you?

tl;dr: Abyssea exp isn't perfect but it has a lot less flaws than the previous exping system. Terrible players hurt old exp far more than leechers hurt present exp.

Defend yourself or withdraw your baseless claims, your choice.

[Komori]

Lol. I can still do old-school type parties. Whether or not it changes doesn't matter to me. I'll continue playing the game. And what do you lose by the cap being raised to 70? Some people don't even use their lower level jobs to leech in abyssea but to do quests because it won't matter if they die on the job or not because it's not a main. Most of the people that leech are people that have already gone through the game before abyssea. We're not the ones being all righteous and putting others down because they don't feel like going through months of leveling another job just to use it in endgame because they've already done it for 1-6 jobs already.

But that doesn't matter, right? As long as everyone does everything your way? What's your Credit Card number? So you can start paying my subscription and then I'll level the old way all you want.

[RaenRyong]

And again a subject change, noone of you can argue against the leeching factor and that is the only way why you want it level 30, istead of that you try to insult me that i do not find ppl for partyes.
I already sayd that i find them, thats not my main problem, my problem is the leeching and it could be easy removed by raising the entrance level, yet again you lose nothing, you still can go in Abyssea, and do all the abyssea things, just not with level 30, a Level 1-69 has nothing to do in Abyssea becouse you can do nothing in there, try to kill a Mob.

You care too much about exping!

Exping is just a means to an end, a process by which you can then play the meat of the content. If exping is a huge part of the game to you, you're just a level grinder. That's a perfectly valid way of playing, but for the sake of most of us who enjoy playing the game rather than grinding experience, do us a favour and stop trying to impose your views on us.

Thanks.

[Zeitzone]

And again, i will not show my char in an extern Forum becouse i do not pose.

Well we do not care if you dislike the old way of expeing, it was and will be the only correct way, leeching never was correct and never will be and thats our statement and thats why SE will sooner or later raise the cap, whatever you say will not stop them.
The only way they whouldnt want to raise it is becouse they whould want to kill FFXI to make FFXIV more popular.
I never had problems to get a party with any kind of job. So there must we have been the mistake by your way of play.
You are just overstate the problems of old and only correct way of leveling.
Leeching is not Leveling, its cheating and thats why SE need to prohibide it.

[Zeitzone]

Lol. I can still do old-school type parties. Whether or not it changes doesn't matter to me. I'll continue playing the game. And what do you lose by the cap being raised to 70? Some people don't even use their lower level jobs to leech in abyssea but to do quests because it won't matter if they die on the job or not because it's not a main. Most of the people that leech are people that have already gone through the game before abyssea. We're not the ones being all righteous and putting others down because they don't feel like going through months of leveling another job just to use it in endgame because they've already done it for 1-6 jobs already.

But that doesn't matter, right? As long as everyone does everything your way? What's your Credit Card number? So you can start paying my subscription and then I'll level the old way all you want.

Then do Old-shool type partys, if you still can do them. Dont be a leecher.
You say you arent? Well why does it then bother you that we want to raise the entrance level, if you do ot leech it doesnt affect you in any way.