Known Issues: New Atma Menu "Delayed" again?! /sulk More info if any if you PLEASE!

[kingfury]

**EDIT- UPDATED THREAD BELOW: (Response from the Dev Team)**

As quoted from the recently posted update list: (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/7267)

- "The proposed atma interface improvement allowing players to save their favorite atma configurations has been delayed to a future version update due to development complications."

This was by far the most disappointing news amongst the otherwise positive bounty of additions and improvements that await us after the update is complete. I won't say that it's the end of the world by any stretch, but it's no lie that I for one have been anticipating this menu fix as if it were a new Job Ability being planned lol. I literally just asked someone about this very fix last night /stagger.

As a player that has come to understand some of the many challenges that confront SE on a daily basis, I've become highly tolerant of certain cosmetic and topical adjustment needs that have appeared throughout our beloved FFXI through the years. The same tolerance will hold true through this Atma menu, but I beg that the lines of communication be open to us in regards to the said "development complications" that have caused the second delay of this highly desired and anticipated adjustment. Even if it's something like the Devs are still trying to decided on the best way to do it, and would like Player feedback :) (wishful thinking a bit there)

There's more than enough to keep us busy in terms of new things to do, but I'm just asking for a bit more detailed communication on what's causing this new menu's wardrobe change to take so long. I really do pray that it's something they feel they could ask us about similar to how they asked about the possible "removing of the crafting skill caps" topic. It would be really great to get player feedback as to how we all would wish to quickly navigate our numerous pages of Atma in one place.

Thanks for listening Guys, /take care
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**EDIT(Response from Devs)**
Posted by Camate(Post 25 (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/7296-Known-Issues-New-Atma-Menu-Delayed-again-%21-sulk-More-info-if-any-if-you-PLEASE%21?p=104872&viewfull=1#post104872)):

As announced, you will be able to select an option to infuse yourself with the atmas that you last used. However, this is only a temporary solution and the development team is working on other ways to select atmas with increased speed. They are currently looking into the below two options:

1. Ability to voluntarily create up to 3 atma sets
2. Creation of a list of the most recent 12 atmas used

Which would you all prefer to see implemented?

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Friggin' COOLNESS Folks! Cast your votes and junk! Thanks again Camate /salute
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*~~~~~~*Voting Finished (as of 5-23-11/ 5:12PM EST)*~~~~~~*


AND OPTION 2 WINS IT!
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**EDIT(Response from Devs)**
Posted by Camate(Post 89 (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/7296-Known-Issues-New-Atma-Menu-Delayed-again-%21-sulk-More-info-if-any-if-you-PLEASE%21?p=106678&viewfull=1#post106678)):

Judging from both the tally of players who chose option #2, as well as taking all of your feedback into account, the development team has decided to go with option #2. Just to give you all a bit more insight into what the development team has planned:

• Will add a feature that will remember the last 12 atmas used

As mentioned above this seemed to be the popular choice and the development team decided to proceed with this option based on that. This will allow players to view a list of the 12 most recently used atmas, but please note that due to technical barriers it will not be possible to rearrange the order of this list.
• The current feature to infuse yourself with the last atmas used will remain

There were a few concerns about whether this would stay or not and we just wanted to inform you that we have no plans of removing this feature.
• Separately looking into the possibility of adding a feature where you can maintain the use of two or three atmas without needing to talk to the Atma Infusionist.

Though we can’t promise that this will happen just yet, we are trying our best to implement something along the lines of this.

As always, moving forward with these changes if you have any suggestions or ideas that you feel strongly about please let us know and we will do our best to communicate them to the development team!
Again, Coolness! Thanks for getting back to us Camate. /salute Continue to Discuss and junk Folks! /Discussion
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*~~~~~~*Abyssea Update Scheduled for June 6 (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/8957-dev1015-Abyssea-Update-Scheduled-for-June-6?p=112147#post112147)*~~~~~~*


LIST OF 12 MOST RECENTLY INFUSED ATMAS

**EDIT(Update from Devs)**
Posted by Camate(Post 1 (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/8957-dev1015-Abyssea-Update-Scheduled-for-June-6?p=112147&viewfull=1#post112147))

When performing atma infusions, players will be able to view and select from a list of their twelve most recently infused atma.

*When selecting from this list, players will be able to infuse two or three atma at once.
*This feature will function independently of the "Reinfuse previous atma set" option. (Atma selected from the list will not overwrite the previous atma set, nor will atma infused via "Reinfuse..." be stored in the list.)

If you wish to discuss or submit feedback on this topic, please use the [dev1015] tag.
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/cheer ^^
We've come full circle! lol An Epic win for the great communication and follow through from the Devs! It's a really great feeling to know the community got to vote on this and help with the development process. Very, very cool :D Thank you greatly Devs for reaching out and listening. /kneel + /salute

Thanks to everyone that voted! Thanks again to you Camate! /salute

[Runespider]

I would of been happy with just a sort system or something to put the atmas I actually use on the first page. Assuming what they wanted to add was a little too complex.

[kingfury]

True Strike /stagger

[Miera]

I wish you could Manually sort them yourself. I'd totally use 30 mins of my stones to go and make some Atma sets to store. I would do a MAB set for Mages or Eva Set for DNC and so forth. =\

[kingfury]

I wish you could Manually sort them yourself. I'd totally use 30 mins of my stones to go and make some Atma sets to store. I would do a MAB set for Mages or Eva Set for DNC and so forth. =\
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AMEN to that lol /
I'm sure everyone would ^^

[kingfury]

I also pray that the dreaded "PS2 limitations" don't pop up as one of the possible issues plaguing this wonderful fix @~@;

[svengalis]

I didn't even know they were going to do this. This is such a time sync in Abyssea considering I have 2 chars.

[Greatguardian]

I also pray that the dreaded "PS2 limitations" don't pop up as one of the possible issues plaguing this wonderful fix @~@;

They're sorted by Key Item ID. It's the same technical reason we can't sort our KI lists, and has nothing to do with the PS2. It's a shame that this got delayed but I can imagine it's rather tricky business attempting to implement a feature like this involving Key Items.

[Pikel]

I was most looking forward to this. /cry

I am at 6 pages of atmas and alot of the one's I like to use are the very LAST in the list. Even being able to sort them to my liking would be cool. Ducal Guard and Zenith always the last in my VERY LONG list. /cry

[Garota]

I would have rather them drop and postpone all other new developments such as Grounds of Valor & Voidwatch in order for them to FOCUS solely on this atma issue. That's how strongly I feel about the matter... Oh well, whatever, just keep bringing the updates along, forget the atma groupings SE and go do all your other little side projects you have lined up for us in your nifty little roadmap...

[Stromgarde]

Congratulations for acquiring all available atmas! Your reward is this Atma of the Savior, which is maginally useful! Your punishment is wading through 15 pages of menus every time you want to equip one of them!

[Maquis]

The proposed atma interface improvement allowing players to save their favorite atma configurations has been delayed to a future version update due to development complications.

One reason why I was looking forward to the update. All the new items, quests and stuff are nice, but I would trade them in an instant for the promised functionality.

[Mirage]

I think it would have been good enough just to put the most recently infused atmas at the top of the list.

[Airget]

I would have rather them drop and postpone all other new developments such as Grounds of Valor & Voidwatch in order for them to FOCUS solely on this atma issue. That's how strongly I feel about the matter... Oh well, whatever, just keep bringing the updates along, forget the atma groupings SE and go do all your other little side projects you have lined up for us in your nifty little roadmap...

Really o_O? lol sure the Atma fix would've been nice but are you seriously saying you would rather have no new content and just a slight fix that would allow you to get your atma equipped 3 minutes faster. At least they brought up the fact that they are still working on it rather then ignoring the issue.
I'd say the best thing to do now is consider multiple methods that would work well in making atma equipping easier.

-One option that comes to mind would be to have Horst toggle on and off which atma are avaialable through the abyssea menu when you enter the zone. That way you can toggle off all the ones you don't need/want to use.

-Talk to Horst and set up a "favorite" menu of up to 12 atmas that you have obtained.

-Ideally I think people would want the option to create Atma sets where they could just talk to the NPC and magically have all 3 atmas set.

-Create a unique macro code for atmas where you target the infusionist after the input of /atma, followed by the shorthand of each atma:
ex.
La Theine Atmas:
Lion======-AOL
Stout Arm==ASA
Twin Claw==ATC
Allure======AOA
Heavens====AOH
Baying Moon=ABH
Ebon Hoof===AEH
Tremors=====AOT
Savage Tiger=AST

macro wise it would be set up as "/atma AST, AOT, AEH <t>"
Then the atma infusionist would ask if the following three are the atmas you wish to be infused with and if so then bam got your atmas. I doubt everyone uses all 20 macro books, so if the idea of easily having accessible atma setups is sucha high priority you could dedicate one row of macros to certain atma setups you use lol.

But yea, there are multiple options that could be used, honestly though the concept of more content is really more important then a silly function that can save you maybe 5 minutes. The idea of scrolling through the multiple pages isn't to tough if you just simply recall the ones you use most often, if it becomes such a prob you could easily look through your temporary KI list and just follow the order in which the Atmas are in because that's the same exact order they are in when you go to infuse them.

Or simply just make your own personal list, while you would still have to scroll through the pages at least you'll know what you are looking for,
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Atma
honestly just scroll down and view the way they have it organize you can easily just write down which ones you have and circle the ones that are important to you. After a while you'll easily recall where the atmas are and in the instance where you end up with a new atma it just means the list has been moved forward one spot from it's original location.

[kingfury]

They're sorted by Key Item ID. It's the same technical reason we can't sort our KI lists, and has nothing to do with the PS2. It's a shame that this got delayed but I can imagine it's rather tricky business attempting to implement a feature like this involving Key Items.
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Yep, I remember they said this in response to putting key items in alphabetical order.

I was thinking in terms of the "allowing players to save their favorite atma configurations" part where if they were considering letting players actually name the saved Atma combos. I could easily see this option causing possible memory issues for the limited space constraints already pushing the PS2. Especially folks that have near all Atmas lol.

Unfortunately, not knowing what's actually causing the issue though, one can only speculate that the problem is a technical one... or at least hope that is. o.0'

[kingfury]

One reason why I was looking forward to the update. All the new items, quests and stuff are nice, but I would trade them in an instant for the promised functionality.
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At the very least, trading Grounds of Valor for the future update vs this functionality >< lol since they're going to add more onto GoV in the next version updates anyway.

[kingfury]

I didn't even know they were going to do this. This is such a time sync in Abyssea considering I have 2 chars.
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I dual box myself lol I feel so helpless when trying to rush through the current atma menus with two characters! >< Depending on the Abyssea run, there's just no way to make sifting through 7-8 pages of atmas per character go any faster /stagger
Really funny you brought this up ^^

[kingfury]

I think it would have been good enough just to put the most recently infused atmas at the top of the list.
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lol surprisingly enough, as simple as this sounds, I would gladly take this as a temporary band-aid in the wake of development issues to the full menu design in a hot second. It would force all your frequently used atmas to the forefront of your list so the 1st 1-3 pages would constantly update your most popular atmas. /yes please ^^

[kingfury]

If in fact the "development complications" are not technical in nature, I can't help but wonder how the new the menu would actually look compared to what we currently have. What all could they visually change about the menu functionality that would streamline the process in such a way that would cut down the selection process?

The "saving of our favorite atma configurations" functionality would be an interesting menu feature "visually speaking" all by itself. Adding another layer in the current Atma selection process that would open up the new paring of our desired 3 Atma's functionality alongside being able to continue perusing the long list of Atma's housed in the multiple pages sounds like nothing we've ever had in this game. Unless in fact I'm just forgetting a long lost menu that hasn't been used in a few years lol.

I'm tempted to give a player's concept rendition a shot as a preemptive step based on the possibility that the Dev team could actually want player feedback on the menu's design. ^^

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Speaking of atmas. Did they ever fix that KI limitation?

[kingfury]

Which KI limitation? ~.^

[Tsukino_Kaji]

The one that when you hit 255 it kills your menus.

[kingfury]

@_@; I didn't even know that issue existed! Has this happened to someone before? Did they post it as a known issue already, cause I wanna check it out.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

There have been plenty, all the DEV responces have been "we don't know why, but we're looking into it."
Me specifically, my KI auto-trans menu has gone missing for one.

[Camate]

As announced, you will be able to select an option to infuse yourself with the atmas that you last used. However, this is only a temporary solution and the development team is working on other ways to select atmas with increased speed. They are currently looking into the below two options:

1. Ability to voluntarily create up to 3 atma sets
2. Creation of a list of the most recent 12 atmas used

Which would you all prefer to see implemented?

[Sparthos]

#2 by far.

3 sets sounds good but id prefer to mix/match 12 atma of my choosing simply because it'd allow for greater flexibility with regards to job changes.

[rog]

As announced, you will be able to select an option to infuse yourself with the atmas that you last used. However, this is only a temporary solution and the development team is working on other ways to select atmas with increased speed. They are currently looking into the below two options:

1. Ability to voluntarily create up to 3 atma sets
2. Creation of a list of the most recent 12 atmas used

Which would you all prefer to see implemented?I would have to cast my vote for the first option. The second would be nice for people who frequently mix and match atmas, but it seems to me that those people are in the minority. Most use a single set for mages, another for dds, and maybe another for tanking or something, and rarely use anything else. I assume by you asking that getting both will not be viable?

[Mirage]

Either would be fine with me, but I'm probably leaning towards the first option. What about 3 user-selectable sets, and a 4th set which would always be the last atma set you used?

Doing that would let people quickly select the three atmas they use most of the time, and in the event that they are using an uncommon atma combination, they can quickly reselect that after coming back into abyssea after getting more stones, dumping merits, or whatever it was they needed to leave for.

[Seyomeyo]

I'd have to say #2 by far. Especially if we cuold select where exactly these atmas were placed in said lists. A lot of times my friends and I may swap out single atmas for other atmas if we know we're going to be fighting something specific--especially for the tanks. Things like Orthrus' atma to be used on orthrus itself, and likewise for Dragua and isgebind.

[Juilan]

#2 or change 1 to something like a page of atma length which i think 5? so the would say like

Razored Ruins, Voracious Violet, Apocalypse

all in one line

[Zyeriis]

#2 clearly. Best of both worlds.

[AyinDygra]

#2 would be best, of the two options, with a slight change: not last 12 recently used... just 12 selected by us.

A few concerns:
* I'm hoping all 12 will appear on a single menu page, not simply moving these 12 to the top of the atma list where we'd still have to navigate pages.

* I hope we can move their location around on this menu to our liking.

* I'd also hope we will be able to "highlight" the 3 we want, and then select to have them infused, all at one time; not selecting one at a time, confirming infuse, re-targeting NPC, selecting second... too much time there.

[Limecat]

Here's another idea if nobody has kicked it out yet, put a "previous page" option on the first page of atma so you can wrap back around to the end of your list when it'd be quicker to go from that end.

As for the two main options, #2 would probably be bette. I wouldn't mind keeping the last three selection we've got now on top of whichever option you go with.

[Merton9999]

I'd like #2 best. I use three different configurations regularly just for RDM, and at least two for other jobs. I'd guess 3 saved sets wouldn't be enough for people who regularly bring multiple jobs.

[Kensagaku]

I'm in agreement with choice #2. I use a lot of different jobs that use a multitude of atma. Off the top of my head, I can think in general I use at least ten common ones, with different odd ones for specific times. So that list of twelve would be nice, so you can pick the ones you'd always use, or two of them and a situational atma, etc.

[Raxiaz]

#2 would be best, of the two options, with a slight change: not last 12 recently used... just 12 selected by us.

A few concerns:
* I'm hoping all 12 will appear on a single menu page, not simply moving these 12 to the top of the atma list where we'd still have to navigate pages.

* I hope we can move their location around on this menu to our liking.

* I'd also hope we will be able to "highlight" the 3 we want, and then select to have them infused, all at one time; not selecting one at a time, confirming infuse, re-targeting NPC, selecting second... too much time there.

I'm going to go with #2, and I support the idea of it being a list selected by us.

[Antanias]

<--jumps on the #2 bandwagon with his #2 pencil in hand

--Antanias

[kingfury]

#2 would be best, of the two options, with a slight change: not last 12 recently used... just 12 selected by us.
A few concerns:
* I'm hoping all 12 will appear on a single menu page, not simply moving these 12 to the top of the atma list where we'd still have to navigate pages.
* I hope we can move their location around on this menu to our liking.
* I'd also hope we will be able to "highlight" the 3 we want, and then select to have them infused, all at one time; not selecting one at a time, confirming infuse, re-targeting NPC, selecting second... too much time there.
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1st. Thanks a ton Camate for getting back about this! ^^ /salute It's very awesome to give us a chance to give feedback in regards to the designing of this new menu.

2nd. I was leaning more towards option #1 until I came across what AyinDygra here posted. If we can skim down this list of most recently used Atmas and use a checkbox type of functionality to quickly select up to 3 Atmas and confirm all in one swipe, the "3 sets of Atma" is pretty weak in comparison. Of course if we can't hope to see this type of functionality with the list, and have to choose one at a time, my vote goes with #1 option.

Thanks again /salute
P.S. The "remembering the last infused Atma" is a very nice placeholder until the full menu is up and running ^^ /

[Arcon]

#2 or up to 5~6 sets with #1.

[Ezrin]

As announced, you will be able to select an option to infuse yourself with the atmas that you last used. However, this is only a temporary solution and the development team is working on other ways to select atmas with increased speed. They are currently looking into the below two options:

1. Ability to voluntarily create up to 3 atma sets
2. Creation of a list of the most recent 12 atmas used

Which would you all prefer to see implemented?

Option #1 please.

[Runespider]

Personally I would prefer 1 but I think for the majority of players 2 would be the best option. Either way i'm really happy with what we got last update in regards atma selection and i'll be glad to have whichever of these you add, having a few alts, these makes my life much easier. Having whm alts these days is very common so I'm sure many others feel the same.

[Panthera]

1. Ability to voluntarily create up to 3 atma sets


PS. This forum REALLY needs polls.

[Amperage]

I think being able to select the last used set combined with #2 wouldn't be too bad but since the first time I had to flip through more than 3 pages of atma I couldn't help but think.. Wouldn't it be nice if atma were sorted by most used "Favorites".

For me on my melee account the first page would look something like
Razed Ruins
Apocalypse
Voracious Violet
Gnarled Horn
Sanguine Scythe
...


My mage account would have
Minikin Monstrosity
Allure
Apocalypse
Beyond
Baying Moon
...

as you play the atma menu would naturally sort itself by your most equipped.

[Insaniac]

3 sets is very limiting.

OPTION 2!!!

[Zaknafein]

option #1 plz

[Runespider]

This post shows it's never a good idea to ask the players which of 2 they prefer, it's like 50/50 lol You guys really need to try talk about it and try come to a conclusion which would be better. Would be funny them reporting this back to the devs, they will wonder why they bothered to ask in the first place and end up still having to pick themselves.

[Mirage]

Maybe they put more weight on user opinions which are backed up with good reasoning

[Volkai]

As announced, you will be able to select an option to infuse yourself with the atmas that you last used. However, this is only a temporary solution and the development team is working on other ways to select atmas with increased speed. They are currently looking into the below two options:

1. Ability to voluntarily create up to 3 atma sets
2. Creation of a list of the most recent 12 atmas used

Which would you all prefer to see implemented?

Due to the probably-considerable overlap in what Atma will be used by various jobs, I would favor #2.

I think this would benefit many users, for example...

(bolded is possible Recently Used Atma list positions)

...For me on my melee account the first page would look something like
#01Razed Ruins
#02Apocalypse
#03Voracious Violet
#04Gnarled Horn
#05Sanguine Scythe
...


My mage account would have
#06Minikin Monstrosity
#07Allure
#08Apocalypse
#09Beyond
#10Baying Moon
...

See?



...Although I do think it would be better if we could manually assign what goes on the list.

[Bhujerba]

I would go with one, chances are these 12s will be in at least 2 pages, which is not much different than what I'm having (3 pages), besides the idea is to get rid of picking atmas one at a time, just increase the sets to 5 or 6 (whatever maximum that fit 1 menu/page).

I'm very pleased with 1 set of previous chosen atmas atm, with more , it will only make it better.

[Orenwald]

I prefer the first option, because hand picking 3 atmas takes too much time ><
Give us option 1 with 5 or 6 sets and I think everyone will be more than happy (except those 4 haters who just want to hate on everything :D)

[Rie]

3 atma sets would be awesome.

[Lotmorning]

Like option 2

[hiko]

1) 3 sets + last used

[Francisco]

As is, I'd prefer #1, as three sets should cover 90% of the players, 90% of the time. Lots of optimal atma sets overlap (MNK, THF, NIN), (probably BLM, RDM, SCH)...

Option #2 wouldn't be a huge time saver for me unless:

- The option to select the last three atma used remains (pretty much always GH, RR, AoA)...

OR

- The menu is increased to display multiple atma at once AND we can select all three in one go rather than needing to speak to the NPC three separate times. I realize it may be difficult to enlarge the atma menu, because not everyone plays on high resolution... there might not be much room for people who still play on 620x480 for whatever reason...

That said, I'd go with #1, it just seems more practical for most players and for SE as well.

[Glamdring]

definately #2. I do vary atma based on what I'm facing. In addition, I play pup, and I use different atma for mage autos (minikin monstrosity), ranged (Drifter), and I will for Valoredge after I get it skilled up (we'll see what I have by then). 12 would allow me to store almost all my atma sets, even if I level my next job up.

Edit: I assume they would display with in order with the most recently used on top.

[Didgist]

I vote for #1

[Kavik]

I seem to be a minority here but i would prefer the 'sets' described in #1, although more then 3 sets would be nice, but then i think about it and that's 9 different atmas. Currently i have 86 atma's and if i'm equipping a certain atma a lot because i am spamming a certain monster for +2 items or something i don't want one of my usual atma's (like razed ruins) dissapearing to page 6 because i have to put on a wind resist atma for a few days/infusions. Option 2 on the other hand would be great if we can choose 3 atma to infuse via some kind of menu similar to the campaign sigil menu's where they ask, 'would you like this buff?' > yes 'would you like another buff'? > no 'you have received so and so!' Although i think this system would be awesome even if it didn't sort the 12 most used atma's to the top, just not having to go to page 8 3x to find the atma's i want would cut my almost 10 mins of looking for atma's down to next to nothing.

[Aaralyn]

Option 2

While I only have 3 jobs at 90 for the moment, I have friends who have 7+, and 3 atma sets simply won't cut it.

[Teakwood]

Definitely prefer option #2 - there are around 12 or so Atma that I think I'll ever wind up using semi-regularly anyways, but not always in the same combinations.

For what it's worth I'd be happy with option #1, but I can see getting an Atma infused and then having to clear it specifically to infuse a different one if you're using VV instead of Apoc or vice versa or whatever and don't want to take up one of your three atma set slots with something that only differs by one atma.

[rog]

Definitely prefer option #2 - there are around 12 or so Atma that I think I'll ever wind up using semi-regularly anyways, but not always in the same combinations.

For what it's worth I'd be happy with option #1, but I can see getting an Atma infused and then having to clear it specifically to infuse a different one if you're using VV instead of Apoc or vice versa or whatever and don't want to take up one of your three atma set slots with something that only differs by one atma.
Could always just make a set with two atmas, and get the third manually.

[Mirage]

If that would be made possible anyway.

Three sets, and a 4th option to be infused with the atmas you used last time would definitely be the best for me. if 4 options in total won't be doable, I would probably be fine with 2 sets and the last option always being the last atmas i used.

[Khiinroye]

I prefer option 2, though I'd rather be able to create the list myself than have it be the 12 most recent used. 15 pages of atma to wade through is too much. If you only have 5 pages, you don't really need to store sets anyways. Atmas like Hell's Guardian and Ultimate are on page 12 for me.

[Aliron]

Of the two options I would opt for the second, but if you could allow us to say make 3~4 sets that we can choose from, I would like that even more. To make that work you could set it up to be named like a macro is, and then choose from an item menu what atmas we want equipped in each slot while it shows what it does. To do this either do it in abyssea thru the Atma Infusionist, or modifiy the Key Item Menu so we have an atma section. When we enter this section we can either go to 'View atma' or 'Make atma sets'
This way we can still have the giant list that the Infusionist NPC gives us for those situational times we need the increase to elemental effects or what ever it is that comes up, and for when we go to do a regular party, or even solo work, we just pick one of the sets we made.

[Gropitou]

As announced, you will be able to select an option to infuse yourself with the atmas that you last used. However, this is only a temporary solution and the development team is working on other ways to select atmas with increased speed. They are currently looking into the below two options:

1. Ability to voluntarily create up to 3 atma sets
2. Creation of a list of the most recent 12 atmas used

Which would you all prefer to see implemented?

2. Creation of a list of the most recent 12 atmas used

[Seriha]

I have constructed this guide (http://home.comcast.net/%7Eclg2001/FFXI/AtmaSetting.gif) (click) on how to fix Atma.

Elvaan optional.

#2 if SE doesn't wanna listen.

[Linh]

As announced, you will be able to select an option to infuse yourself with the atmas that you last used. However, this is only a temporary solution and the development team is working on other ways to select atmas with increased speed. They are currently looking into the below two options:

1. Ability to voluntarily create up to 3 atma sets
2. Creation of a list of the most recent 12 atmas used

Which would you all prefer to see implemented?

I prefer #1

If possible, I prefer this above all:

Create up to TWO atma sets, AND an option to show us last NINE Atma used!

[kingfury]

Regardless if option 2 wins this vote, Please give us at least 2 Atma Sets to quickly choose 3 Atmas at once and go! ><; Even if the list has a quick way to select from 12 Atmas and infuse them, it would still not be as fast as having a set always ready to go. At least 2 sets Please /

[GlobalVariable]

As announced, you will be able to select an option to infuse yourself with the atmas that you last used. However, this is only a temporary solution and the development team is working on other ways to select atmas with increased speed. They are currently looking into the below two options:

1. Ability to voluntarily create up to 3 atma sets
2. Creation of a list of the most recent 12 atmas used

Which would you all prefer to see implemented?

I would lean a lot more towards option 1 if it were 4 sets instead of 3.

Either of those would help a lot given the large number of almost never used atmas players will acquire. Some kind of help text so I don't have to run to wiki every time I need to know what one has the resist whatever that I don't use that frequently for this NM I'm doing this one time etc etc that isn't in my set or list of 12 would be nice though.

Also, anyone else thinking it never should have been 1 large list to start with? I mean, why was there no kind of categorization? Like offense/defense/magic.

[Babygyrl]

id prefer 3 atmas sets

[Purrs]

Definitely #2. People who play a lot of jobs could use the flexibility. I use different atma sets on WHM, NIN/THF/DNC, WAR (DD), WAR (REGAIN), WAR (Defensive), BRD, SMN, & BLM. There's a fair amount of crossover such as Apocalypse, MM, RR, MC that 12 slots could probably cover the most common arrangements, but having to make specific sets would be a little limiting. That of course doesn't include any random atma switches for a particular battle, but as infrequently as I might use an elemental resistance atma for example, I can deal with searching the long list for those.

[Purrs]

I don't know why a lot of people are asking for 2 sets and a "last atma used" option. If you use one of your two sets, it's going to become your "last atma used." So you're just going to have two options to do the same thing, unless it ignores any time you use a programmed set. Even then what if your "last atma used" was an elemental resistance set up that you won't use again for a month? "Last atma used" is fine as a temporary fix, but a longer list defined by the user is the overall most sensible and convenient. Most players probably never use more than 12 atma 98% of the time. We all know what the best ones are (and they are best by considerable margin).

And people are talking like option #2 is SO much work. They want to streamline the game so much into 3 sets. That's just going to create lazy people (like all the Abyssea leeches) who will ignore what atmas are best for a job in favor for what they can access quickly. People will use one universal mage set because that's one of their three quick options, rather than selecting the best choices for individual jobs. Having to go through 12 atma isn't going to kill anyone. Everyone has survived (barely) through longer lists.

[kingfury]

Well, until they give us some mockups of what these menus look like, it's hard to really do much more than speculate at which option will come out on top.

I for one asked for at least 2 sets because, assumingly, the "Atma Sets" would be it's own option to click on then select and quickly choose from the two, separate from the "Last infused" list option that you would click on to choose from the list. If I'm using my staple DD set 90% of the time, then having an option to quickly infuse that set with like three clicks would be far more efficient in my opinion vs scrolling down a list and selecting 3 separate Atmas. Again, depending on how they design it, who knows which will be fastest.

I always cringe when people consider "efficient" solutions to being "lazy" lol. Laziness is of course not the reason this issue is being addressed, but rather better and more efficient menu design for gameplay. It's like saying folks that use touchtone phones are lazy when there's a perfectly good rotary phone over there. ><' lol

[Yugl]

I selection option 1. But really, why not both?

[kingfury]

I selection option 1. But really, why not both?
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Iknowright? lol >< Just make'em two separate options, and everyone gets their cake and icecream :D

[Neisan_Quetz]

If it's one or the other I vote for Option 1. Otherwise what Yugl said.

[Zyeriis]

Votes thus far.

22 for #2, 16 for #1, 1 for Undecided (kingfury). There have been more people to talk about it than that but they didn't specify which one they prefer (and in most cases tried to create a #3, which is fine).

So majority is in favor of #2 (and I can see why).

#2 is the better choice because of tweaking your atmas given the situation is better/easier than having to tweak a set (which would involve searching through all of your atmas like we have to do now when changing job types). Whether or not many situational changes occur when you personally are playing is a different story. You never know when you're going to need something different.

Edit: i know you would have to search occasionally regardless but you'd have to do it far less with #2 because you would have 12 to choose from rather than 3 sets of 3 (9). I believe they gave us the specific numbers of 3 and 12 for a reason. If one option can be increased (to say 4 sets for #1) then chances are that #2 can be increased as well.

[Yarly]

I have a question though. Does it have to be 12? Can we create/edit the list to any size between 0-12?

I'd need 12 options for my main char that does more than one job but I have mule that's basically mage only, no need for 12 atma, maybe like 4-5 to choose from at best.

I'd rather see an implementation of the current system (remembering previously used atma) AND #2, though. That'd be ideal.

Either way, #2 seems like the best so it gets my vote.

[Suirieko]

I use different atmas depending on different situations. I would like the list of '12 recently atmas' as long as it is all on one page, and not multiple pages like the original atma list itself.

Personally I'm a fan of this setup:

Keep the 'Previously infused Atma' but add in 'recently infused atma', with the 12 recently used atma, as long as it's on one page.

[kingfury]

Votes thus far.

22 for #2, 16 for #1, 1 for Undecided (kingfury). There have been more people to talk about it than that but they didn't specify which one they prefer (and in most cases tried to create a #3, which is fine).

So majority is in favor of #2 (and I can see why).

#2 is the better choice because of tweaking your atmas given the situation is better/easier than having to tweak a set (which would involve searching through all of your atmas like we have to do now when changing job types). Whether or not many situational changes occur when you personally are playing is a different story. You never know when you're going to need something different.

Edit: i know you would have to search occasionally regardless but you'd have to do it far less with #2 because you would have 12 to choose from rather than 3 sets of 3 (9). I believe they gave us the specific numbers of 3 and 12 for a reason. If one option can be increased (to say 4 sets for #1) then chances are that #2 can be increased as well.
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Sorry if I wasn't clear, but my Vote is for #2. I was just saying that I hope list offers quick selection of the 3 Atmas is all.

[Tyrian]

I'd like to toss my vote in for #2, for all the reasons mentioned above. Three pre-selected choices simply wouldn't be enough for my jobs. Even where there is crossover, it's usually one or two shared atma, not all three (where the third is usually shared with a different job).

That said, I'd also like to chime in with "why not both?"

I do have to wonder what kind of back-end tools the dev team has for designing the interface, when something like this is considered a lot of extra manpower (unless, once again, we're facing memory limitations).

[kaht]

#2 without a doubt - 12 sets vs. 3 sets, is there really any question?

[Arcon]

#2 without a doubt - 12 sets vs. 3 sets, is there really any question?

You may have misunderstood.

One could argue that #2 offers the possibility to make 220 different sets sort of quickly. One thing I would really like to see, if they go with option #2, that they reduce the time it takes to pick an Atma from that list. If it's in the list of most used, we know what it does, no need to spam enter a few more times and then confirm again. Just pick one, stay in the same menu, pick second, stay in the same menu, pick third, close menu. Then I believe no one would argue against #2.

[Treasurehider]

1. Ability to voluntarily create up to 3 atma sets

Would it be possible to name the sets we make, either previous 12 or created 3?
Like "Treasurehider's Less Failing Treasure Hunter Set" or "GM[Dave] was the best GM ever!"?

[CrystalWeapon]

I'm fine with #2. Would be nice if it were programmed to not include duplicate sets. I.e. If I set up for thf then blm then blm then thf and finally drg in 5 different sessions, it would be nice to see blm, thf, drg sets saved rather than thf, blm, blm, thf, drg. If it doesn't differentiate from identical last used sets you're still dealing with a big list of alot of the same.

[Kyte]

#2 Definitely

[GlobalVariable]

I think it would help a lot to have a little more description of how the 2 options would actually work. Is the list of 12 all one page? Is the original menu broken up the way it is and because of memory limitations? And I'm guessing that the Status application wasn't done like sigil because there are so many combinations, are there technical reasons making that method an impossibility? As others pointed out the pages and being kicked out of the dialog after each atma selection are what really slow you down on that long list.

[Mirage]

What if we got to store 3 sets, each three sets would be for the job you were currently on. So if I entered on thf, made three sets, then went to whm, I'd be able to make three new sets on whm. Changing back to thf, I would get the three sets I previously created on thf.

[GlobalVariable]

What if we got to store 3 sets, each three sets would be for the job you were currently on. So if I entered on thf, made three sets, then went to whm, I'd be able to make three new sets on whm. Changing back to thf, I would get the three sets I previously created on thf.Per job would be a huge improvement to option #1.

[Camate]

Judging from both the tally of players who chose option #2, as well as taking all of your feedback into account, the development team has decided to go with option #2. Just to give you all a bit more insight into what the development team has planned:

• Will add a feature that will remember the last 12 atmas used

As mentioned above this seemed to be the popular choice and the development team decided to proceed with this option based on that. This will allow players to view a list of the 12 most recently used atmas, but please note that due to technical barriers it will not be possible to rearrange the order of this list.
• The current feature to infuse yourself with the last atmas used will remain

There were a few concerns about whether this would stay or not and we just wanted to inform you that we have no plans of removing this feature.
• Separately looking into the possibility of adding a feature where you can maintain the use of two or three atmas without needing to talk to the Atma Infusionist.

Though we can’t promise that this will happen just yet, we are trying our best to implement something along the lines of this.

As always, moving forward with these changes if you have any suggestions or ideas that you feel strongly about please let us know and we will do our best to communicate them to the development team!

[Kavik]

Please PLEASE allow us to select the 3 atma's out of the list like we do at the sigil npc's in (S) nations, you want this? ok and this? and this? ok 300 crour! not this ok... *reclick* oh you want another?

[Babekeke]

Please PLEASE allow us to select the 3 atma's out of the list like we do at the sigil npc's in (S) nations, you want this? ok and this? and this? ok 300 crour! not this ok... *reclick* oh you want another?

Seconded. ^^

[Kari]

As announced, you will be able to select an option to infuse yourself with the atmas that you last used. However, this is only a temporary solution and the development team is working on other ways to select atmas with increased speed. They are currently looking into the below two options:

1. Ability to voluntarily create up to 3 atma sets
2. Creation of a list of the most recent 12 atmas used

Which would you all prefer to see implemented?

Why not both?
Just make 2 options at the NPC.
"Show recently used Atma"
"Choose from Atma Sets"

Making it one or the other is a bit silly, and you'll have people annoyed with either option being the only option.

[Ciecle]

i'm annoyed with the option 2 tbh. Yes it's 12 atmas, but i would like the ability to click on one 'set' of atmas that i use all of the time and say 'these are the three i'm going to use.'
with option 2, you still have to scroll through the atmas, with option 1 you only have to click 1 set.

[Ezrin]

i'm annoyed with the option 2 tbh. Yes it's 12 atmas, but i would like the ability to click on one 'set' of atmas that i use all of the time and say 'these are the three i'm going to use.'
with option 2, you still have to scroll through the atmas, with option 1 you only have to click 1 set -.-...

I second this logic.

[AyinDygra]

Many of the people who voted for #2 were provisional, expecting certain adjustments to the original concept.

Where Proposal #1 is most desirable is the speed at which certain people could get the atmas that they use all the time. 3 sets may be good for some people, but those who chose option #2 generally switch out their atmas for many situations.

While the increased speed of selecting 3 atmas in a single action is the desired outcome of either proposal, #1 clearly achieves this without any changes from the initial proposal for a certain segment of the population. #1 fails those who often change their atmas.

Proposal #2 requires slight changes which would ultimately make it far superior to #1 if they're implemented. Since #2 has been selected, we can only voice our strong desires to see certain functionality implemented.

My strong desire is for:
Being able to select 3 atma from a list of 12 pre-chosen atmas on a single screen and a single confirmation. (only interacting with the atma NPC one time to set all 3.) And the option to use the previous selection of Atmas from the last time we set atma should be kept through any system changes that are made.

[Seriha]

I have constructed this guide (http://home.comcast.net/%7Eclg2001/FFXI/AtmaSetting.gif) (click) on how to fix Atma.

Elvaan optional.

#2 if SE doesn't wanna listen.


Shamelessly quoting myself if, for any reason, the ability to select your Atma outside of Abyssea would save a couple minutes. Yes, it's basically ripping off the Blue Magic menu, but it'd eventually give people the means to sort their lists how they wish, retain their last three, and of course get them all set in a few clicks.

[Purrs]

I definitely agree that the new atma list should eliminate a lot of the confirmation dialogue. We all know what Minikin does at this point. If it's in our 12 most recent, we don't need to be reminded. Streamlining that dialogue would be great.

[Arcon]

I definitely agree that the new atma list should eliminate a lot of the confirmation dialogue. We all know what Minikin does at this point. If it's in our 12 most recent, we don't need to be reminded. Streamlining that dialogue would be great.

If you think about it, if Atma selection was streamlined in the first place, they wouldn't nearly have as much a need for this as they currently do. Still, I'm all for it. In fact, I'd like to remind people (including mods) of this (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/5063-Menus-Dialogues-Confirmations-and-General-Redundancies.) again.

[Kalilla]

Please PLEASE allow us to select the 3 atma's out of the list like we do at the sigil npc's in (S) nations, you want this? ok and this? and this? ok 300 crour! not this ok... *reclick* oh you want another?Seconded. ^^
I have to agree. Since the development team is going with the 12 atma's you HAVE to implement this. Not maybe, you have to. If you want to save us time when selecting atmas then allow us to select one, then ask us if we want another or if we want to stop. If we want another we select that option and pick our second and if we want another then we select our third.

If we don't have the key item for a 2nd or 3rd, when we go to select another atma the NPC should tell us that we don't meet the necessary requirements for another atma or something along those lines and give us what we have selected whether it be 1 or 2 atmas.

like...

You talk to the NPC, it asks you the set of options and you pick the option to select out of the 12 last used atma's. You pick one of the options listed. The NPC offers these choices:

I would like to pick another atma
I wish to change my previous choice
I wish to be finished and keep the current selection
Cancel

This theoretically shouldn't change after the first two atma's. When you pick the 3rd and final one if you meet the requirements, or after you meet the allowed amount that you can possess based on your key items, the NPC does something like a ToM moogle would and give you the buff and all 3 would appear (or however many you can possess).

You could even throw in a menu listing the 3 (or however many) you selected to confirm your choices. But keep in mind this is yet another menu that takes time to load and look through and hit enter to confirm our selection. If we are talking about speed picking our atma's then the delay between menus should be minimal. Animations should be cut out and the bare minimum is what is needed. This is about performance, getting in picking your buffs, and moving on to do what you can with the time allotted to you.

That is my contribution to the issue.

Edit: Also, if the team is planning on separating the 12 atmas between pages (which I highly suspect they will), do not send us back to the start. Keep us at the spot we were in whether it be page 2 or 3 or w/e. We don't need you to send us back to page 1 as we would have got those to begin with.

[JiltedValkyrie]

Please PLEASE allow us to select the 3 atma's out of the list like we do at the sigil npc's in (S) nations, you want this? ok and this? and this? ok 300 crour! not this ok... *reclick* oh you want another?

Please copy and paste this code into the new Atma menu feature! :D

[kingfury]

Please PLEASE allow us to select the 3 atma's out of the list like we do at the sigil npc's in (S) nations, you want this? ok and this? and this? ok 300 crour! not this ok... *reclick* oh you want another?
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That menu isn't bad at all, but here's what I would like to see ^^ Quick Select Checkbox functionality FTW please!

-Quick Select Checkbox functionality-example 1. (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b167/soulchld4/AtmaSelectMenu-examples-1-WEB.jpg)
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-Quick Select Checkbox functionality-example 2. (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b167/soulchld4/AtmaSelectMenu-examples-2-WEB.jpg)
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-Quick Select Checkbox functionality-example 3. (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b167/soulchld4/AtmaSelectMenu-examples-3-WEB.jpg)
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Or Toggled Red Text in case the checkboxes are a bit too much to work in:

-Toggled Red Text functionality-example 1. (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b167/soulchld4/AtmaSelectMenu-examples-4-WEB.jpg)
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-Toggled Red Text functionality-example 2. (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b167/soulchld4/AtmaSelectMenu-examples-5-WEB.jpg)
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-Toggled Red Text functionality-example 3. (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b167/soulchld4/AtmaSelectMenu-examples-6-WEB.jpg)

[Bhujerba]

sigh, that's bad =/
good luck now clicking 3-4 times for each atmas, how is that a fix? option 2 is only solving pages issue...
option one solved repeated atmas confirmation menu plus pages..

[Arcon]

sigh, that's bad =/
good luck now clicking 3-4 times for each atmas, how is that a fix? option 2 is only solving pages issue...
option one solved repeated atmas confirmation menu plus pages..

At the cost of less versatility. There had to be a compromise somewhere. Which is why people are asking to streamline the selection process, then #2 would be superior to #1 in almost every way.

[AyinDygra]

Here's what they're doing! (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/8957-dev1015-Abyssea-Update-Scheduled-for-June-6?p=112147&viewfull=1#post112147)
When performing atma infusions, players will be able to view and select from a list of their twelve most recently infused atma.
*When selecting from this list, players will be able to infuse two or three atma at once.
*This feature will function independently of the "Reinfuse previous atma set" option. (Atma selected from the list will not overwrite the previous atma set, nor will atma infused via "Reinfuse..." be stored in the list.)

[Bhujerba]

will be able to infuse two or three atma at once.

ha!, that would do I guess, I have no complains.

[kingfury]

Thanks for updating the thread AyinDygra ^^ /salute I'm just wakin up lol but I'll make sure to edit the update into the OP.

Epic win for the great communication and follow through from the Devs! It's a really great feeling to know the community got to vote on this and help with the development process. Very, very cool :D Thank you greatly Devs for reaching out and listening. /kneel + /salute

Thanks to everyone that voted! Although... Camate, on the topic of possible future threads where we are asked to vote on a possible development process, it would really help to have a piece of "Poll functionality" to pop into the mix.^^ Most folks (including myself lol) found themselves "on the fence" and could have used a nice clickable poll button to force a choice. lol ><; Would be cool is all!

Thanks again to you Camate! /salute

[rog]

Thanks for updating the thread AyinDygra ^^ /salute I'm just wakin up lol but I'll make sure to edit the update into the OP.

Epic win for the great communication and follow through from the Devs! It's a really great feeling to know the community got to vote on this and help with the development process. Very, very cool :D Thank you greatly Devs for reaching out and listening. /kneel + /salute

Thanks to everyone that voted! Although... Camate, on the topic of possible future threads where we are asked to vote on a possible development process, it would really help to have a piece of "Poll functionality" to pop into the mix.^^ Most folks (including myself lol) found themselves "on the fence" and could have used a nice clickable poll button to force a choice. lol ><; Would be cool is all!

Thanks again to you Camate! /saluteThis is pretty much what i was thinking ^^

/salute kingfury for putting it so elegantly, lol ^^