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Kimiko
05-10-2011, 01:56 AM
Well, if you all haven't been following the updates that are coming in. Looks like the legendary JP Red Mage Avesta (known for some of the most difficult solos in the game) is getting an item named after him.
Avesta Bangles Rare Exclusive
Hands
Magic Accuracy+6
Enfeebling magic skill +15
Elemental magic skill +15
Dark magic skill +15
Lv88 MNK WHM BLM RDM THF DRK BRD RNG SMN BLU COR PUP DNC SCH
Seriously, that is a huge honor to have something named after you. I'd love to get my hands on these one day. =D
Runespider
05-10-2011, 02:17 AM
I wonder if Avesta still plays, well awesome if he does and he gets to equip them lol What an honour for one of the legends of FFXI. *inb4 "he isn't that great I can solo despot too"
He isn't that great, i can solo despot, and everything else he has in 1/3 the time he takes.
Runespider
05-10-2011, 02:38 AM
He isn't that great, i can solo despot, and everything else he has in 1/3 the time he takes.
Everything is easy once someone else has done it and shown others it's possible, even the devs see that and have made an item to honour him. Won't ever see any items named after you.
It's easy to copy or improve on something, being the first is where the status is. e.g. first shell to beat AV legit > shell that killed it quicker/better.
Romanova
05-10-2011, 02:44 AM
*inb4 "he isn't that great I can solo despot too"
He isn't that great, i can solo despot,
stuff
gonna hazard a guess and say you failed at reading a joke rune....
Everything is easy once someone else has done it and shown others it's possible, even the devs see that and have made an item to honour him. Won't ever see any items named after you.
It's easy to copy or improve on something, being the first is where the status is. e.g. first shell to beat AV legit > shell that killed it quicker/better.
Sorry but the only significant difference between almost all nms is the name. Applying a strategy that has been used since day one on a new mob does not count for anything.
gonna hazard a guess and say you failed at reading a joke rune....Second half of the sentence was serious.
I mean, he is definitely good, and props to him for showing people what rdm is capable of, but he was never an amazing soloist. Great? Yes. Legendary? Hardly.
I doubt SE named a piece of gear after Avesta. You should google Avesta sometime. It's much more likely it involves real world stuffs. Also consider what the chances are that SE even knows or cares who Avesta is.
Runespider
05-10-2011, 02:53 AM
Sorry but the only significant difference between almost all nms is the name. Applying a strategy that has been used since day one on a new mob does not count for anything.
Having an awesome piece of gear every good rdm would want to try to own named after him says different. In a game steeped in status, this is the ultimate.
Having an awesome piece of gear every good rdm would want to try to own named after him says different. In a game steeped in status, this is the ultimate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avesta ?
Also, being well recognized, and thought to be amazing does not actually make him amazing.
Romanova
05-10-2011, 02:59 AM
I mean, he is definitely good, and props to him for showing people what rdm is capable of, but he was never an amazing soloist. Great? Yes. Legendary? Hardly.
I would say that's matter of opinion, except I want to point out that legendary just means famous. Trying to say he wasn't famous among the ffxi community is incorrect.
You are correct that he wasn't doing things others didn't or couldn't do, but he did show a lot of rdms on how to do it, and is famous aka legendary for that.
Data mining has just revealed another item
Rog Bangles Rare Exclusive
Hands
Bitterness +6
Envy +15
Jealousy +15
Inferiority Complex +15
Lv88 MNK WHM BLM RDM THF DRK BRD RNG SMN BLU COR PUP DNC SCH
Keep on keeping on Rog...
;-)
Carth
05-10-2011, 03:05 AM
I got a kick outta this one.
Btw this information is shown in .DAT mining threads particularly on BG.
Data mining has just revealed another item
Rog Bangles Rare Exclusive
Hands
Bitterness +6
Envy +15
Jealousy +15
Inferiority Complex +15
Lv88 MNK WHM BLM RDM THF DRK BRD RNG SMN BLU COR PUP DNC SCH
Keep on keeping on Rog...
;-)Should have been rdm, blm, brd, rng, nin, war, drk, rng, smn, cor to go with the jobs i have leveled.
Atomic_Skull
05-10-2011, 03:39 AM
Second half of the sentence was serious.
I mean, he is definitely good, and props to him for showing people what rdm is capable of, but he was never an amazing soloist. Great? Yes. Legendary? Hardly.
He's still better than scrubs that use cheat tools to enhance their movement speed, teleport around and look though walls and then brag about how good they are at soloing. I'd love to see how those "awesome" soloers would do without their cheating. If you cheat you aren't good, you're just a cheater.
He's still better than scrubs that use cheat tools to enhance their movement speed, teleport around and look though walls and then brag about how good they are at soloing. I'd love to see how those "awesome" soloers would do without their cheating. If you cheat you aren't good, you're just a cheater.
It is possible to be both a cheater, and good. Just sayin'. Especially if they do not use those kinds of cheats while soloing.
Volkai
05-10-2011, 03:46 AM
He's still better than scrubs that use cheat tools to enhance their movement speed, teleport around and look though walls and then brag about how good they are at soloing. I'd love to see how those "awesome" soloers would do without their cheating. If you cheat you aren't good, you're just a cheater.
Hear hear!
It is possible to be both a cheater, and good. Just sayin'. Especially if they do not use those kinds of cheats while soloing.
If you cheat, how good you might have been before you cheated stops mattering. There's a reason olympic athletes that are caught taking performance-enhancing drugs get their medals stripped and are barred from competing. There's a reason it doesn't matter WHEN they actually took those performance-enhancing drugs. You understand that, right?
Atomic_Skull
05-10-2011, 03:50 AM
It is possible to be both a cheater, and good. Just sayin'. Especially if they do not use those kinds of cheats while soloing.
I mean like this guy for example. He's using cheats to look though walls and teleporting around.
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/4052/8fdb3d27b14693a1ee1ab0c.jpg
That totally invalidates any bragging rights he might have.
I mean like this guy for example. He's using cheats to look though walls and teleporting around.
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/4052/8fdb3d27b14693a1ee1ab0c.jpg
That totally invalidates any bragging rights he might have.Wow, what a horrible person!
Atomic_Skull
05-10-2011, 03:52 AM
There's a reason olympic athletes that are caught taking performance-enhancing drugs get their medals stripped and are barred from competing. There's a reason it doesn't matter WHEN they actually took those performance-enhancing drugs. You understand that, right?
It's Rog, he doesn't.
Niklz
05-10-2011, 03:54 AM
i like where this is going
Atomic_Skull
05-10-2011, 03:57 AM
Wow, what a horrible person!
We both know that's you, from this thread.
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=127473428424193306&page=1#m1274920552308325708
Me? I would never do such horrible things. Do not be ridiculous.
Aliekber
05-10-2011, 04:21 AM
Diabolos Spiders Is Not A Meme.
Malamasala
05-10-2011, 04:35 AM
Bitterness? Equippable by SMN? Finally an armor with a related stat.
Stromgarde
05-10-2011, 04:46 AM
Wow, what a horrible person!
No kidding. I mean, look at that! Comic Sans, the monster!
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05-10-2011, 04:49 AM
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Fetus
05-10-2011, 05:15 AM
Portent Pants for your hands?
It might be nice having an item named after yourself (or not), but they're not that great. Maybe if they were around when the cap was still 75...
ShadowHeart
05-10-2011, 05:28 AM
as ROG pointed out Avestan's were an ancient people who were similar to bards and mages who used songs and rituals of purification and songs. The similarity in name does not mean it was intended to celebrate a players uberness in game. SE would do something like make some chocobo hat or something for him if they did that as u know how that works.
Just look at how many players names out there are similar to gear or items nice concept but SE would made a lot more of a fuss if someone was that good .
but they're not that great. Maybe if they were around when the cap was still 75...
You may want to take another look at the stats.
Successfully solo'ed a few game monsters does not make you a hero...
Come on seriously???? To honor 1 individual? What he/she done for the game or the players?
Come on seriously???? To honor 1 individual? What he/she done for the game or the players?
More than you think, less than others think.
noodles355
05-11-2011, 01:55 PM
I'm with rog on this one. A lot of what he did was great and pretty ground breaking, but if you actually gave some of it a go at 75 it wasn't as impossible as a lot of people thought.
Not that I don't respect him, I do. He's sort of like Final Fantasy 7. It was a good game no doubt, but people need to stop thinking it's the best in the world.
Runespider
05-11-2011, 04:10 PM
but if you actually gave some of it a go at 75 it wasn't as impossible as a lot of people thought.
The point was, nobody knew or even attempted it before he showed everyone it was possible. He pretty much single handedly created the solo RDM fad.
Ravenmore
05-11-2011, 05:18 PM
RDMs were soloing things before and at the same time he was just he posted vids of it. Whats more impressive is the mnk that soloed genbu. Not that genbu was hard but for a mnk to do it was pretty cool slow as hell though lol.
Greatguardian
05-11-2011, 10:26 PM
The point was, nobody knew or even attempted it before he showed everyone it was possible. He pretty much single handedly created the solo RDM fad.
Avesta had youtube fame, and "JP fame" among the NA playerbase. That doesn't mean other people weren't doing the same stuff at the same time, nor that he "created" anything. I suppose it's possible he made a bunch of NA players think they could solo if they leveled RDM, but it's not like he influenced the real soloists much at all. If anything, most, like Rog, became a bit embittered because people tended to sing Avesta's praises despite the fact that they could do all of the same things, and were often told that they were "just copying Avesta".
Fact of the matter is, Avesta is just one of many good Red Mages. Plenty of other people have done everything he's done, at the same time or before, he's just the one who got e-famous for it. That said, the bangles are almost certainly named after something else entirely.
MarkovChain
05-11-2011, 11:45 PM
Avesta is the best soloer ever and all he people claiming he isn't that great are doing the same thing than him but it only took them 7 years to do so... You soloed despot so what ? He did all Gods and the final Zilart mission. He soloed the Halvung bomb NM when most people still didn't know their way inside halvung.
Avesta is the best soloer ever and all he people claiming he isn't that great are doing the same thing than him but it only took them 7 years to do so... You soloed despot so what ? He did all Gods and the final Zilart mission. He soloed the Halvung bomb NM when most people still didn't know their way inside halvung.
Avesta is great and I believe most other players are the same.
The time Avesta solo'ed those mobs, the rage system wasn't even introduced. I bet there were 394852948 RDM/NIN solo'ed lots NM back then and they just don't care to make a video.
Soon SE realized the 'glitch' they added the rage system and boom Avesta the video poster became the legend. Does that sound fair to the other great rdms lol?
I'm not a solo kind of person and I am not here to argue who's better and what item should be name after certain individual; SE wants to do it they will and already did nothing can be undone. It just doesn't sound fair for the other great players if SE's intended is to 'award' or even 'honor' someone.
Avesta had youtube fame, and "JP fame" among the NA playerbase. That doesn't mean other people weren't doing the same stuff at the same time, nor that he "created" anything. I suppose it's possible he made a bunch of NA players think they could solo if they leveled RDM, but it's not like he influenced the real soloists much at all. If anything, most, like Rog, became a bit embittered because people tended to sing Avesta's praises despite the fact that they could do all of the same things, and were often told that they were "just copying Avesta".
It is especially funny because avesta just copied strategies that were used since the time the first rdm reached level 9. Avesta was not the first, nor the best. He was simply the first to record all of his solos, and gain recognition.
I came up with exactly the same strategies avesta used on my own at level 50, back in 2004, without ever seeing a single rdm/nin before that, let alone any real soloing done. The difference between me and avesta at the time was that he was level 75 with all the best gear, and i was a casual at level 50, who ended up putting rdm off for 3 years. We were using exactly the same strategies to do exactly the same things, just on different mobs.
katiekat
05-12-2011, 04:37 AM
It is especially funny because avesta just copied strategies that were used since the time the first rdm reached level 9. Avesta was not the first, nor the best. He was simply the first to record all of his solos, and gain recognition.
I came up with exactly the same strategies avesta used on my own at level 50, back in 2004, without ever seeing a single rdm/nin before that, let alone any real soloing done. The difference between me and avesta at the time was that he was level 75 with all the best gear, and i was a casual at level 50, who ended up putting rdm off for 3 years. We were using exactly the same strategies to do exactly the same things, just on different mobs.
i hate to say this because usely rogs' posts make me wanna stab a puppy in the face but.... he has a good point this time. i new RDM's that did things like that back before avesta was big.
now if you excuse me i have to go bath in terpintime to wash this bad feeling off from agreeing with rog
MarkovChain
05-12-2011, 06:52 AM
Did rog solo his duelist chapeau yet ?
Did rog solo his duelist chapeau yet ?
Not. In fact, i passed 3 of them yesterday, because i don't really care about +5 enfeeb skill (already have wivre hairpin, and laurel wreath).
MarkovChain
05-12-2011, 08:34 AM
You should go solo it then, and then come here explaining how you are killing the NM better and faster. The first person that solved order 2 polynomial equations was a genius. Just because everyone and they sisters can compute b^2-4ac in less than 10 seconds doesn't mean the other guys was bad. The whole point of soloing is to be the first one ; past that it's not worth mentionning.
Because the first time soloing a particular nm is any different than soloing 100 other nms using exactly the same strategy? There are no such thing as original solos. Every single one uses one of 3 different strategies:
1) kite, nuke, dot, etc. Can either use bind/grav/pinning to stay away from the mob, or simply running around something that slows the mob down, or even just using +move speed to gain distance.
2) straight fight. generally relies on utsu, etc to stay alive, can either melee, or fight exactly as above, without the running (when kiting is impossible, such as cactrot rapido).
3) zombie: bring lots of rr, and bio2.
That is it. All solos use a variation of one of those three basic strategies. The only difference between big bomb and suzaku is that suzaku hits a bit harder, uses chainspell, and requires better gear. Otherwise it is exactly the same fight.
being the first really does not matter at all, because really, no one is first. All solos rely on strategies that are as older than the game itself, and applying a 20 year old strategy to a new mob is not new.
Your analogy is flawed because the strategies are so old, and obvious, and have been independently thought up probably 10s of thousands of times. Coming up with "ohey, i can outrun this monster, and attack it at a distance, but it can only attack me if it is right next to me, so i can just keep running, and using ranged attacks to solo it" is not impressive. It was not impressive the first time someone came up with the idea, and it was not impressive the next hundred thousand times someone came up with it.
I would say that the execution of a strategy is ALL that matters. Spending 20 minutes running running away from a monster in super mario shooting fire balls at it is not impressive, but if you cut that down to 10 seconds, it just might be.
There are no such thing as original solos. Every single one uses one of 3 different strategies:
1) kite, nuke, dot, etc. Can either use bind/grav/pinning to stay away from the mob, or simply running around something that slows the mob down, or even just using +move speed to gain distance.
2) straight fight. generally relies on utsu, etc to stay alive, can either melee, or fight exactly as above, without the running (when kiting is impossible, such as cactrot rapido).
3) zombie: bring lots of rr, and bio2.
That's being said, in my opinion, the time Avesta solo'ed those NM, there were thousands more people were doing, except they did not make a video of it with the nice and cute jp pol.
So if today SE is telling me they make an item and name after him/her, what's going on? Is that mean the rest soloist copied him???
Francisco
05-12-2011, 09:52 AM
He isn't that great, i can solo despot, and everything else he has in 1/3 the time he takes.
While moving 1/3 faster too.
Greatguardian
05-12-2011, 10:03 AM
So if today SE is telling me they make an item and name after him/her, what's going on? Is that mean the rest soloist copied him???
The Bangles are named after the same thing Avesta's character is named after. The thread's OP is definitely misleading.
Romanova
05-12-2011, 11:15 AM
Because the first time soloing a particular nm is any different than soloing 100 other nms using exactly the same strategy with speed hacks?
ftfy
Avesta may not be the "most amazing" rdm soloer, but again he showed a lot of rdms who didn't know any better what was up. Rog is just a sore loser people don't look to him instead.
Rog is just a sore loser people don't look to him instead.It is ok, plenty of people already do.
While moving 1/3 faster too. I would never speed hack because obviously i am not some dirty cheater, but hypothetically, if i did, i would certainly turn them off while soloing. There is no point in it if i am just going to cheat. But again, i would never use them in the first place, so the point is mute.
Greatguardian
05-12-2011, 01:26 PM
But again, i would never use them in the first place, so the point is mute.
so the point is mute.
point is mute.
mute.
You're my favorite, Rog.
Daremo
05-12-2011, 01:39 PM
This topic becomes super hilarious if you know Avesta was banned for teh hax.
You're my favorite, Rog.
trollface.jpg
Mnakal
05-12-2011, 02:55 PM
Also consider what the chances are that SE even knows or cares who Avesta is.
While you have a point about the religious ties of the name, if you think about the history behind the Taisaijin NM and why it drops Refresh, it's hard to believe that SE doesn't know about him. Given their history of tying in other "real world stuffs" they likely gave him a nod by tailoring the item towards the two jobs he's best known for.
As for the rest of the conversation, next item to come out will be named for Kanican...
Ya, i am sure they will name an item after a banned player.
RabidSquirrel
05-12-2011, 03:10 PM
so the point is mute.
The word you're looking for is "moot."
My job here is done. Now, I go.
The word you're looking for is "moot."
My job here is done. Now, I go.
That was not the word i was looking for.
Volkai
05-13-2011, 01:32 AM
Also consider what the chances are that SE even knows or cares who Avesta is.
Pretty high, actually. The community team, which listens to most FFXI-related podcasts (and has been guests on them in the past as well) is quite likely to be paying attention to FFXI-related YouTube videos that have high view counts.
Like Avesta's soloing videos.
This is also the community team which reads the bluegartr forums that are not, as far as I can tell, officially recognized by SE, so I'm sure they've read the threads in various forums that ARE officially recognized regarding Avesta's soloing.
Of course, the only people that know for certain if this item was named after Avesta or not are the dev and localization teams... I'd like it if we could get some official word on if these are named after Avesta or if it's a coincidence.
This topic becomes super hilarious if you know Avesta was banned for teh hax.
Did a quick search and people were saying that's a banned account.
RabidSquirrel
05-13-2011, 03:30 AM
That was not the word i was looking for.
Oh no?
http://www.bing.com/search?q=mute+point&pc=Z042&form=ZGACDF
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/moot
Greatguardian
05-13-2011, 03:31 AM
Trolling is a art.
Trolling is a art.
It is the little things that count.
Especially when i came right out and said i was trolling, and people still do not realize it.
Aliekber
05-13-2011, 03:44 AM
It is the little things that count.
Especially when i came right out and said i was trolling, and people still do not realize it.
Irregardless, I could care less.
Daremo
05-15-2011, 12:54 AM
Strangely enough I've become completely inured to both of those. Now had you said, "For all intensive purposes..."
Chocobits
05-15-2011, 11:15 PM
Irregardless, I could care less.
Irregardless
If that word actually existed, I'm certain it would have the exact opposite meaning than it is used for.