Instance content can i have it?

[svengalis]

I think a lot of people misunderstood me in that last thread. I would really like It if NM were instance so I am not wasting so much time online or something similar.
(Especially in a timed zoned it just makes me want quit again)

I shouldn't have to wait until someone else pops a NM and kills it before my group has a chance at it. l really want my kannagi.
BTW I don't need to any discussion on this, this post is for the developers so please don't post in my thread if you are not a se employee.

[Kensagaku]

I think a lot of people misunderstood me in that last thread. I would really like It if NM were instance so I am not wasting so much time online or something similar.
(Especially in a timed zoned it just makes me want quit again)

I shouldn't have to wait until someone else pops a NM and kills it before my group has a chance at it. l really want my kannagi.
BTW I don't need to any discussion on this, this post is for the developers so please don't post in my thread if you are not a se employee.

Bolded to make my point. It seems kinda silly to demand to have everything you want it the instant you want it. I may not speak for SE but I highly doubt they're going to reply to a "give me this, I really want X item." You ever think that they were meant to be separate because Empyreals are "special" items?

I mean really, show a little patience man.

[Miera]

My only issue with popped items is people bot popping, I've had my run in on people bot popping the Lizzard in Mis. coast Abyssea and Chloris.

And you can tell when they do it especially when the ??? appears a second and its gone, I can't compete against people who do that and i cannot GM because what proof do I have other than them staring at the ground where the ??? used to be.

[Atomic_Skull]

My only issue with popped items is people bot popping, I've had my run in on people bot popping the Lizzard in Mis. coast Abyssea and Chloris.

And you can tell when they do it especially when the ??? appears a second and its gone, I can't compete against people who do that and i cannot GM because what proof do I have other than them staring at the ground where the ??? used to be.

FFXI doesn't support true instancing and this late in the game's life they aren't going to do the overhaul necessary to implement it.

"Instanced" zones in FFXI are really just one zone with multiple identical copies of the same area. Due to size maximum size constraints on zones they can only do this with small areas because they all have to fit inside one large zone.

[thefinalrune]

"Instanced" zones in FFXI are really just one zone with multiple identical copies of the same area. Due to size maximum size constraints on zones they can only do this with small areas because they all have to fit inside one large zone.
Exactly, which is why BCs are limited to, I think, 3 simultaneous parties. Not that instanced content doesn't have its place, its just not really FFXI's thing. Never has been, never will be. This is a forced grouping game, SE wants us to do things together. The only real downfall is most people are too blind too see that helping others helps them in the long run.

[Kazen]

My only issue with popped items is people bot popping, I've had my run in on people bot popping the Lizzard in Mis. coast Abyssea and Chloris.

And you can tell when they do it especially when the ??? appears a second and its gone, I can't compete against people who do that and i cannot GM because what proof do I have other than them staring at the ground where the ??? used to be.

If you're talking about ??? where you trade a rare item to pop a NM then it's a macro not a bot. Most people make trade macros so they don't have to bother opening the menu. It takes far too long to do it from menu and a macro is much more efficient.

[Alhanelem]

Instance content can i have it? No, you can't.

True instancing is not possible with the game's engine. The closest the game comes to instancing is having multiple copies of a given place stacked on top of eachother out of shout distance to give the illusion of instancing. These areas (the BCNM, assault and other similar areas) actually have a limited capacity unlike instances in other games.

[Miera]

If you're talking about ??? where you trade a rare item to pop a NM then it's a macro not a bot. Most people make trade macros so they don't have to bother opening the menu. It takes far too long to do it from menu and a macro is much more efficient.Actually I pointed out Chloris. You have to axtually confrim KI and then Press yes. When botters do it, its instant.

[wish12oz]

Actually I pointed out Chloris. You have to actually confirm KI and then Press yes. When botters do it, its instant.

If you have a controller all you have to do is mash the confirm button and hold up, and it pops stuff. I can pop KI pops in under a second.

I fixed your spelling too~

[Korpg]

I think a lot of people misunderstood me in that last thread. I would really like It if NM were instance so I am not wasting so much time online or something similar.
(Especially in a timed zoned it just makes me want quit again)

I shouldn't have to wait until someone else pops a NM and kills it before my group has a chance at it. l really want my kannagi.
BTW I don't need to any discussion on this, this post is for the developers so please don't post in my thread if you are not a se employee.

Just relax. This game is like fine wine. You don't guzzle down the wine, you take small drinks to savior the flavor and experience the flavor at its fullest.

If you don't understand what I said, think of it like this. There are many things to do in this game. Trying to get your katana is just one thing you can do, and by rushing it, you won't be able to appreciate the katana for all the hard work it takes to obtain it.

Its like getting a relic off of a lottery......oh wait, nvm.

[Runespider]

If you're talking about ??? where you trade a rare item to pop a NM then it's a macro not a bot. Most people make trade macros so they don't have to bother opening the menu. It takes far too long to do it from menu and a macro is much more efficient..

Bots/scripts do exist to instantly target the variety of ??? and do the exact movements required, can make all the answers you like but they really are out there.

[Kuishen]

Bots/scripts do exist to instantly target the variety of ??? and do the exact movements required, can make all the answers you like but they really are out there.

Just because they exist does not mean everybody who is faster than you is using them. >_>

[Tamoa]

Just because they exist does not mean everybody who is faster than you is using them. >_>

Exactly.

Every time you get beaten to an NM, whether it's a timed spawn or a force popped one, it does not mean whoever got claim/popped before you is botting. It annoys me to no end how so many people cry "OMG YOU BOT!!!" every time someone beats them to an NM. And you all wonder why you get this generic message from GMs when you place a call to them. I really wonder exactly how many of those butthurt "This player just botted <insertrandomnmhere>, ban them nao!" calls they receive every day.

As for the OP's post: That's about the most impatient/lazy/selfish post I have seen here in a while. And saying that people aren't allowed to post in your thread unless they're SE employees? Really???

[Misi]

While I would love the idea of a room with a lone ??? I can trade whatever pop item of choice for the NM I want, its unrealistic we'd be given that option. We are lucky enough with the changes being made in dynamis alone and look how long that took.

Have you tried being civil with the counter campers? I've only run into a few groups that were really ignorant. Over half of the time, people are ok with taking turns, and even letting someone else free lot seals, ect that they don't want.

If they don't respond or get aggressive, all bets are off. (or maybe there is another NM in that zone you can do while you wait I like opting for the second if at all possible.)

[Miera]

If you have a controller all you have to do is mash the confirm button and hold up, and it pops stuff. I can pop KI pops in under a second.

I fixed your spelling too~Thanks, I saw the error but I am too lazy to do it.

[Miera]

I never go crying about someone botting if they beat me to a pop, however, If I see someone targeting a invisible ??? then I get suspicious.

[Kensagaku]

Erm, how do you know they're targeting an invisible ??? in the first place?

That aside, what I do is put a macro "/item "Pop item" <stnpc> and then activate it before the ??? is even up. I spam tab 'til I see ??? and immediately hit enter. Sometimes I'm lucky and I grab it just as it appears, other times, I'm a second late or may even get beaten to the punch. It's possible it's just a fast macro, not necessarily botting.

[Nattack]

this is a time when an opinion FINALLY is useful, especially in the face of "BTW I don't need to any discussion on this, this post is for the developers so please don't post in my thread if you are not a se employee."

this entire post totally circumvents what this forum is good for - the users input

users, plural, us. i dont want instanced nm's, i can wait three minutes between pops.

[MarkovChain]

Hm... What would auntie Isladar do?

Nuke discussion threads and allow bots one as usual ¿


Instance content can i have it?

I think a lot of people misunderstood me in that last thread. I would really like It if NM were instance so I am not wasting so much time online or something similar.
(Especially in a timed zoned it just makes me want quit again)

I shouldn't have to wait until someone else pops a NM and kills it before my group has a chance at it. l really want my kannagi.
BTW I don't need to any discussion on this, this post is for the developers so please don't post in my thread if you are not a se employee.


I agree with the OP. *** is becoming dragon's aery II on all popular spots with timed NMs. The next content should be instanced.

[Atomic_Skull]

I agree with the OP. *** is becoming dragon's aery II on all popular spots with timed NMs. The next content should be instanced.


But it can't be because the game does not support true instancing, only multiple copies of small areas inside a single large zone.

And if they won't even do something as easy as updating the PC client to DirectX 9 they certainly won't do something that requires a major overhaul of the client and server software.

[MarkovChain]

Salvage worked fine for 4 years, and there was no congestion. The only congestion that happend was nyzul Island, but it's their fault for sharing it with normal assault and the ashu taliff. The second advantage of instanced area that required 3+ to enter (as opposed to solo) is that you will not see the weird JPs or NA entering the zone and cockblocking you during EU. Even though salvage was very popular among JPs (daily multiple shouts on top of existings static groups), I have never been forced to wait my turn ; so saying it's not possible is bullshit. It just means that you have to increase the requirement for entry (not solo) and put a time limit. It will only negatively affect soloers and those that play all day. Those people can stay in in ashittea all the want. It's time to bring back team work and excitement. I don't want to have to camp against the whole server for a 10 min respawn that soloer can't proc and will kill 10x more times that a party needs.

[Bhujerba]

Instance contents are the future, some events in this game already technically instanced but doesn't support more than few teams, this beats the hell out of 1-at-time content, everyone know this and are fine with it in the older contents, but now they aren't and think its the devil?

doesn't make any sense...

[Zyeriis]

Instance contents are the future, some events in this game already technically instanced but doesn't support more than few teams, this beats the hell out of 1-at-time content, everyone know this and are fine with it in the older contents, but now they aren't and think its the devil?

doesn't make any sense...

Then, Its NOT instanced. Learn what the word means before throwing it around.

[Miera]

[Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XI FORUM Guidelines (http://support.na.square-enix.com/rule.php?id=20&la=1).] Using what? a bot? huh? I don't bot, sorry I like game fairness. Plus I play on the Xbox.

To the question on how I can see if someone is locked on a ??? when there are no ???s at the time. Because you can see their Character's head looking straight downward as if they are locked to something on the ground. Unless my Xbox doesn't pick up that there could be a treasure chest there, I don't know.

[Runespider]

Using what? a bot? huh? I don't bot, sorry I like game fairness. Plus I play on the Xbox.

To the question on how I can see if someone is locked on a ??? when there are no ???s at the time. Because you can see their Character's head looking straight downward as if they are locked to something on the ground. Unless my Xbox doesn't pick up that there could be a treasure chest there, I don't know.

Everyone says they play on PS2/Xbox when stuff like this comes up.

If you see people looking at something that isn't there they arent looking at something that isn't there, they are looking at a mob somewhere close or a box.

[Greatguardian]

Hi there Lag, nice to meet you. What did you say? Sometimes, other people can target things that haven't spawned for me yet? Oh golly gee, Mr. Lag, I never knew that! Leaping Lizzies, next thing you know someone might say that Turbo Controllers for the PS2/Xbox can spawn KI NMs instantly! What ever would we do then?

[Zyeriis]

I hate to admit it but if you really are playing on xbox, with what I assume to be a controller, then that's why you're losing. Keyboard is going to beat you, PC is going to beat you. Xbox is for convenience and comfort not for precision and beating some one else to the punch. There's this magic key called f8 that targets the closest npc in front of your character. If you're using a keyboard on xbox, PC is still going to beat you in performance and timing. You're complaining that people are faster than you (and making false assumptions) when they are indeed, faster than you.

[Miera]

Hi there Lag, nice to meet you. What did you say? Sometimes, other people can target things that haven't spawned for me yet? Oh golly gee, Mr. Lag, I never knew that! Leaping Lizzies, next thing you know someone might say that Turbo Controllers for the PS2/Xbox can spawn KI NMs instantly! What ever would we do then?

Oh golly gee willikers your sarcasm sucks and its not needed, I was just stating things what I see sometimes I'm not upset about people beating me to pops, I'm quite patient. I was told by many people that pop bots do exist and I might have ran into some but i am not accusing everyone for doing it. You don't have to be so rude.

[Greatguardian]

Oh golly gee willikers your sarcasm sucks and its not needed, I was just stating things what I see sometimes I'm not upset about people beating me to pops, I'm quite patient. I was told by many people that pop bots do exist and I might have ran into some but i am not accusing everyone for doing it. You don't have to be so rude.

It wasn't solely directed at you either. The people telling you there are pop bots everywhere most likely don't know anything about bots and the bot "industry". I'm no insider either, but I know enough to know that the market is absolute crap for FFXI bot-makers right now and there's no real demand for them. Clipper/Radar/PosHacks? Sure. But claimbots? No, not really.

Bots have always been a scapegoat for being slow/missing a claim in FFXI. Even when everything that matters is force popped, that isn't going to change. People are just going to go on blaming everything but themselves for their own lack of claim.

[Bhujerba]

Then, Its NOT instanced. Learn what the word means before throwing it around.
maybe you should learn to read instead?

technically instancedI don't care how its done or limited in this game, its still instanced = team A wont ever meet team B in the same area, this how its interpreted to all other MMOs communicates.

[Octaviane]

I think a lot of people misunderstood me in that last thread. I would really like It if NM were instance so I am not wasting so much time online or something similar.
(Especially in a timed zoned it just makes me want quit again)

I shouldn't have to wait until someone else pops a NM and kills it before my group has a chance at it. l really want my kannagi.
BTW I don't need to any discussion on this, this post is for the developers so please don't post in my thread if you are not a se employee.

You can't expect people not to respond. This is a public forum. If you don't want a discussion, don't post. Simple. We all have an investment in SE since we have paid them month after month, year after year. We may not be employees or Developers, but in a way we are shareholders. Make a trade macro, easy to do, easy to use. When you get your kannagi, jump up and down with joy knowing you put the time and effort into it.

[Zyeriis]

maybe you should learn to read instead?
I don't care how its done or limited in this game, its still instanced = team A wont ever meet team B in the same area, this how its interpreted to all other MMOs communicates.

Calling it instanced doesn't make it instanced, regardless of how you word it. I repeat, go learn what the word means before throwing it around. Nothing in FFXI is instanced nor will it ever be instanced. Team C is still sitting outside waiting because Team A and Team B are inside. I'm on one side of Port Jeuno near the Signet Taru, another person is near the Mog House entrance. I can't see him, so he must be in an instanced area. No, stop spewing nonsense.

[Korpg]

You guys are way too strung out.

You need to relax, unplug, and find some other NM to kill if people don't want to cooperate with each other.

Yes, there are still "claim bots" out there, because the botters have been living with them for so long that it has become a drug to them, they forgot how to play this game without the bots doing everything for them.

Are there botters all of the place? Probably not. You might find one or two linkshells on every server whose members are majority botters, but even then those players are getting out of the game because now that you don't need a bot to play this game to its fullest, they quit because of various reason, one of my favorites is "FFXI is too easy now that other people have better gear than me" excuse.

As for terminology, both of you guys are correct, and both of you are wrong at the same time. Terms have different meanings to different people, so just accept that your idea of what "instanced" means is correct in your mind and move on with your life.

Enjoy the way you play this game, and don't let others dictate how you play your game, otherwise you will not like playing this game anymore and quit. Nobody really wants other players to quit this game, not at this stage of its life.

[Glamdring]

People being people expect cheats and straight play and every variation in between. But ??? claiming really is extremely easy, the enemy there for PC players is connection speed and latency, which all amount to lag. The same exploit was used for years to clean certain vendors of limited items out every JP midnite, because the trade point would appear several seconds earlier in Japan than in the US (Cotton crafting, ugh...), and then they would put the item up at highly inflated prices on the AH.

If you want to get rid of the "botters" assume they have no patience. When you do get claim, take your time to kill, I'm talking 45+ minutes. Everyone that screams at you to hurry up, find room for on your /blist. Get all 3 procs, make a special point of never letting it go back to unclaimed because they may ninja it (if they try, feel free to do the same, the golden rule). Kite to an out of the way place so that if they didn't bring a bst or a rng they have no idea what's happening, just the ??? is never repopping. And if you really want to be a jag, do it again with the repop.

[Bhujerba]

not worth the trouble =/ ...
contents like assault are design differently in a clever way to make them look 100% "separated" , it doesn't matter how it was design here or in any other game, what matter is the idea, the concept of "separation" the OP is talking about usually referred as "instance", I'll call it here "FFXI instance" .

this type of content the "FFXI instance" will continue to exist and implemented.

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[svengalis]

My only issue with popped items is people bot popping, I've had my run in on people bot popping the Lizzard in Mis. coast Abyssea and Chloris.

And you can tell when they do it especially when the ??? appears a second and its gone, I can't compete against people who do that and i cannot GM because what proof do I have other than them staring at the ground where the ??? used to be.

You don't have to not pop to do that. Just set a macro.

[Alhanelem]

its still instanced = team A wont ever meet team B in the same area, this how its interpreted to all other MMOs communicates. This is not the definitition of instanced. The implementation is what makes it instanced or not. It's only instanced if any group can just go in and do something without any interference- the servers create a private little world for those people. That is not what FFXI does, and other people CAN interfere with your ability to do a BC fight or assault by being in there and preventing you from going in. True instancing does not have a significantly limited capacity. In FFXI, when some BCNM or other similar event is new and popular, you often have to compete with other groups to get in. That doesn't happen in a game with actual instancing.

[Alukat]

god pls don't instance the game.
i've played some other games with instanced content and i never like it. only mobs there and no ppl who i can talk to and interact with.

[Zachary90]

I think a lot of people misunderstood me in that last thread. I would really like It if NM were instance so I am not wasting so much time online or something similar.
(Especially in a timed zoned it just makes me want quit again)

I shouldn't have to wait until someone else pops a NM and kills it before my group has a chance at it. l really want my kannagi.
BTW I don't need to any discussion on this, this post is for the developers so please don't post in my thread if you are not a se employee.
work for it