For those of us who still support the PS2 version of FFXI

[DuoMaxwell007]

I think in the case that anything should happen to our installation discs that SE should at least provide the ps2 version of the game as a "special" order directly to their site... sure I can understand discontinuing it from stores because of the lack of sales and the money that would require, but I doubt it would be hard to burn a copy of the game and let someone pay for it from the POL site and have it shipped to said individual(s) should something happen to their copy.


As it stands now copies of vanadiel collection 2008 are being sold on amazon.com for 700 bucks, thats ridiculous, and the newest collection for FFXI was only released on PC and xbox as if us PS2 players (the people who started it all) were completely forgotten about.. I have all the original FFXI discs for PS2 and all the expansions (so no collectors editions) a few years back i tried to install FFXI on a BC ps3 and i could install CoP because it would get halfway done then the installation bar would stop moving for over 30 mins... the game had not frozen though as the music still played, the credits still scrolled and I could click cancel if i wanted. however we already know of the glitch in the CoP version of PS2 that it deletes your entire FFXI install if you cancel.. but since I could install I had no choice... after reinstalling and trying multiple times I still had the same outcome so I just gave up....

24 hours ago however. After being nice enough to let someone use my ps2 for the last few months, I find out yesterday that they deleted all my FFXI data of my PS2 hard drive (gotta love 5-6 year olds) so now Im dreading the reinstall once I get to CoP because of what happened years ago when I tried to install it on ps3... Im currently reinstalling FFXI on my ps2 as we speak (havent gotten as far as CoP install yet) but when I do and it doesnt work, it would be great to have the option to get my hands on a copy of vanadiel collection 2008 (or at least cop) for ps2 without having to pay 700 bucks for it (dont say just play on pc as i know any crappy pc can run ffxi however pc isnt available or an option to me at the moment). So hear me out SE and maybe do something about this. (a la, add special orders of FFXI for ps2 to your site.) Thank you.

[Catsby]

For 700 dollars you could probably get yourself a decent (or refurbished) gaming laptop. I know you said that's not an option but the only other thing I can think of is some sort of digital only version offered by SE for your PS2/PS3 hard drive.

I know it sucks but ideally they will cut PS2 support and offer some sort of voucher to encourage all those players to move to ps3/PC.

[DuoMaxwell007]

except that i couldnt pay 700 bucks for a pc/laptop.. now if you told me i could get a pc/laptop that could run ffxi for 100 bucks then sure Id get right on it lol

[Bahamut_Norm]

I know it sucks but ideally they will cut PS2 support and offer some sort of voucher to encourage all those players to move to ps3/PC.

The PS2 version is what the PS3 users use in an emulated environment on the older PS3 models. There is not and will (probably) never be a native PS3 port due to the extreme nature of the code changes (and associated high costs/low returns) required.

Square could make another run of new discs as a collectors set. However this would come at a minimum of a scale of run in a number of different languages. Think 25 bucks (packaging, Sony license/printing fees) at just 10,000 discs * 3 editions = ~$750k! Sure, if you sold half at 50 dollars a shot, you'd be covered, but even still, it's close. But I do not know if Sata^H^H^H^H Sony is even still licensing PS2 discs, I don't believe they are.

Downloadable expansions are theoretically possible, and would probably cost half that to implement. The real question then becomes return value, and if they'd just be allowing players to download content they already own, or making any money by adding value to the service. It's a tough call.

[Juri_Licious]

except that i couldnt pay 700 bucks for a pc/laptop.. now if you told me i could get a pc/laptop that could run ffxi for 100 bucks then sure Id get right on it lol

You can get a laptop for 200$ that can run FFXI flawlessly. Head to Best Buy or, a computer store.

[oliveira]

Before expansions started to pile up, the PS2 was playing much smoother than the PC ever was. But on the long run the PS2 got overpowered.

The last time the PS2 ran smooth was before CoP was introduced. CoP had new enhanced graphics on the new zones and that's how things started to weight negatively for the PS2, introducing severe frameskip issues.

Funny enough the PS2 seems to be the version being less afflicted with *cosmetic* bugs.

Edit: (let's not even talk about the resolution thing, obviously on the PC you're free to play with higher resolutions and that's where the PC version shines most)...

[Gadanae]

Sadly, PS players are slowly getting da boots from FFXI. It seems that way anyhow. They are slowly phasing out support for Playstation (i.e. not being able to get the expansion packs easily) not to mention all the freeze ups, download, and graphic problems that playing on PS systems have experienced as of late.

One just hopes that they don't mean to get rid of PS players, but technology moves on.

[Mirage]

You could also get an upgrade of your desktop PC (if you have one). Just put all the cash into the highest clocked CPU you can find, that's what FF11 likes the most.

[oliveira]

One just hopes that they don't mean to get rid of PS players, but technology moves on.

I could not have put it better. While I love the PS2 version I feel the same way as you... It's simply overpowered now.

[Mirage]

While I understand that some PS2 players would feel sort of abandoned because of this, I think maybe they should start to slowly add some features to the clients that run on more powerful hardware. It's not PC/XB360 users faults that the PS2 is old, and there are just so many things that could have been easily implemented without having to think of the PS2's capacity.

[Juri_Licious]

While I understand that some PS2 players would feel sort of abandoned because of this, I think maybe they should start to slowly add some features to the clients that run on more powerful hardware. It's not PC/XB360 users faults that the PS2 is old, and there are just so many things that could have been easily implemented without having to think of the PS2's capacity.
I totally agree with this.
I have a feeling over time the PS2 support will be dropped eventually.

And when that day happens, i'll be happy for the future of FFXI.

[Mirage]

Watch it happens a few months before they shut the game down :(.

WTF YOU'RE MY LONG LOST TWIN SISTER!

[PizzaTheHut]

Sadly, PS players are slowly getting da boots from FFXI. It seems that way anyhow. They are slowly phasing out support for Playstation (i.e. not being able to get the expansion packs easily) not to mention all the freeze ups, download, and graphic problems that playing on PS systems have experienced as of late.

One just hopes that they don't mean to get rid of PS players, but technology moves on.

What freeze ups? Few npcs, Xbox gets it to. Download problem didn't affect everyone, I downloaded fine. Graphic problems? Now this I'd like you to explain before I report your hidden message post for fanning the flames of a dead horse "drop PS2 support" topic.

[oliveira]

Having played all versions that exist (NA and JP on all three major platforms) I can say that the poorest, most glitchy version used to be the XBOX360 version followed by the PS2 version when played on a back compatibility PS3.
I don't think Microsoft even cares about it nowadays.

That before the recent glitch fest that started to haunt the PS2 version. Even XBOX360 users tasted a little bit of it with that recent post update gear glitch where the other users (PC and PS2/3) would cause them to freeze by equipping a certain piece of armor. That forced XBOX users to avoid areas like Jeuno or Aht Urgan White Gate

[Zebra]

it's time to move on, if i recall even the big ol' fat PS2 console(with the hard drive) is discountinued and not made anymore.

you can buy a desktop for 100 dollar that would run this game, if you want a laptop, 250-300 should get you one that can run this game smoothly.

[bungiefan]

The compatible PS2 was discontinued in 2004, when the slims were released, but that was in North America. They made them in Japan for several years later, if not still to this day. Many Japanese players still play on PS2, so they refuse to drop support because of that large income source. You can still buy PS2 FFXI new in Japan, just not North America.

You don't have to buy a 2008 Collection disc. You can borrow one from a PS2 player and use it to install. The biggest issue is your PS2 no longer reading discs, which is more likely to be an issue than finding a 2008 disc. As a PS2 user, you should also have been in the habit of buying PS2 expansions as soon as they released, knowing after CoP that they had short print runs.

[ReplicaX]

I think SE should reevaluate it's PS2 userbase and think about moving them to their own dedicated servers then. It seems IMHO, XI is doing better than XIV atm. I logged into XIV yesterday during XI maintenance to find 3ppl in Gridana. I understand they are working on a new battle system for Spring. However if XIV continues the way it is, they might be better off using its resources for a XI 2.0 while keeping a XI 1.0 server(s) for PS2 userbase.

Doing this can break these so called limitations and keep it's stronger userbase going with new content and jobs while keeping the PS2 userbase happy.

[oliveira]

Doing this can break these so called limitations and keep it's stronger userbase going with new content and jobs while keeping the PS2 userbase happy.

Honestly, I don't see that happening because SE would take it as "twice the work, half the dough".
So, tough luck... >_<

[DuoMaxwell007]

if they were trying to "phase out" ps2 support they would have made that fix ps2 users were having when it was saying the hard drive was full when they tried to update recently... also the reason se discontinued the ps2 version is because the newer ps2 models dont support the HDD, not because the ps2 is getting old... and finally as for moving on.. well we all know consoles get old and die SE shoulda thought about this before putting the game on ps2, if they werent gonna be able to support ffxi on the ps2 until the life of ffxi ended (i.e the servers shut down) then they shoulda never put it ON ps2.

As far as upgrading my pc well lets see its only running 256 mb of ram (seriously XP barely loads) and my graphics card is insufficient for running FFXI) and my hard drive is so full of viruses now that i just get BSOD when it boot sup so I cant even clean it if i wanted (even reformatting and trying to reinstall doesnt work because I get a BSOD during that process) so lets see with the money it would take to upgrade ram, get a decent sized hard drive and a good graphics card I may as well buy a new pc... that being said show me a link to a pc thats 100 bucks or less that ff would run on lol)

[DuoMaxwell007]

my ps2 reads discs just fine.. i didnt read the ps2 blue bottomed pol installation disc buu tI opened it up and adjusted the laser voltage for the CD and it reads it just fine now.. it reads DVDs and game just fine alreadystill... so it read the FFXI base install disc and POL install discs just fine.. it also readmy my toau and wotg install didscs just fine as wellll only issue is my CoP disc... when i tried it just now it said czannot read disc, after reinsertinig it multiple time sit finally read it and made it to the installation screen only to say cannot find expansion files please insert disc (or something like that) and even after doing that it wouldnt work so i had to power down (and teh glitch kicked in and thus deleted FFXI so i just reinstalled that and am about to try CoP again -_-.

As for borrowing an install disc from a ps2 player sure that would be easy if said ppl existed or werent rare.. i mean if you got a ps2 CoP disc (or collection 2008 ps2 disc) I can borrow and you wanna mail it to me so I can reinstall Id very much be greatful :p

[Odintius]

I say time to move on from ps2 save some cash and upgrade.

[rog]

now if you told me i could get a pc/laptop that could run ffxi for 100 bucks then sure Id get right on it lol
Check ebay. You'll find numerous computers around $100 that will all run ffxi just fine.

[Pofo]

Remake FFXI for PS3 / PC with the graphics of XIV, make new servers with the option of transferring Character Data from FFXI to FFXI-2, and leave the Ps2 players on 1 lonely server of 20-30 people till they get a job and upgrade. Bam, problem solved.

On a more serious note, it's only a matter of time before PS2 players are phased out, 7-8 years was plenty of time to get a job/save money for a crappy PC or an xbox 360 to run this game on. PS2 is outdated and will continue to hold this game back untill SE makes the smart choice to cut them off. Of course there is going to be a degree of angry customers, but if the issue is not delt with they will lose 10x more players then the amount of PS2 players remaining because of the games lack of progression.

[Vandheer]

I'm a PS2 user and I think this thread is very ineteresting. For starters I enjoy playing the PS2 version of FFXI and would be reluctant to leave it behind for a new PC. :P However, for everyone saying there's a PC worth 100 - 200 bucks that can run FFXI I'd love a link to the computer please. :) If it could also run other MMO games and maybe even FFXIV (once it gets fixed up) that be even better and I'd give you cookies for a link that could cover all that.

I would also like to point out that the problems many PS2 version users are experiencing aren't limited to just the PS2 version. On top of that I doubt SE would stop supporting PS2 versions because of the shape they are in after FFXIV release. If they do however I think SE should offer some gateway to FFXI on either PC or Xbox so they don't simply lose all their PS2 users.

[Vandheer]

Remake FFXI for PS3 / PC with the graphics of XIV, make new servers with the option of transferring Character Data from FFXI to FFXI-2

I actually like that idea a lot! :D (Being I play the PS2 version on my PS3....) :3 Sorry everyone that plays PS2 version on PS2. D: Still love you all!

[Pofo]

I'm a PS2 user and I think this thread is very ineteresting. For starters I enjoy playing the PS2 version of FFXI and would be reluctant to leave it behind for a new PC. :P However, for everyone saying there's a PC worth 100 - 200 bucks that can run FFXI I'd love a link to the computer please. :) If it could also run other MMO games and maybe even FFXIV (once it gets fixed up) that be even better and I'd give you cookies for a link that could cover all that.

I would also like to point out that the problems many PS2 version users are experiencing aren't limited to just the PS2 version. On top of that I doubt SE would stop supporting PS2 versions because of the shape they are in after FFXIV release. If they do however I think SE should offer some gateway to FFXI on either PC or Xbox so they don't simply lose all their PS2 users.

Slap $2000 onto that and it'll run XIV like a charm, but don't worry, XIV sucks you're not missing much. You run around for weeks killing "Doblyns" to get to 50, then when you're 50.. Do it again for another job. Endgame has like 6 NMs. Outside of half empty linkshells, noone in the game talks or soializes. But it's ok, instead of fixing the game, the most recent update made Doblyns stronger. So now it takes 3 times as long to level. But hey, maybe we'll get chocobos released sometime in the next 7 years.

[PizzaTheHut]

Remake FFXI for PS3 / PC with the graphics of XIV, make new servers with the option of transferring Character Data from FFXI to FFXI-2, and leave the Ps2 players on 1 lonely server of 20-30 people till they get a job and upgrade. Bam, problem solved.

On a more serious note, it's only a matter of time before PS2 players are phased out, 7-8 years was plenty of time to get a job/save money for a crappy PC or an xbox 360 to run this game on. PS2 is outdated and will continue to hold this game back untill SE makes the smart choice to cut them off. Of course there is going to be a degree of angry customers, but if the issue is not delt with they will lose 10x more players then the amount of PS2 players remaining because of the games lack of progression.

Remaking it for PS3 would be great. Also no company is stupid enough to drop a large source of income in this day in age. Yes large. Dropping support doesn't mean you're going to get a better game...if anything it'll be the end or leave the game pretty deserted.

The 360 is the worst version of the game. I tried it for two nights years ago and couldn't take it anymore. I Ebayed it for 5$. The bright text that irritates the eyes, that split second delay in controller input reaction, not to mention how terrible the 360 controller is for this game, the manual adjust you have to do in the Xbox settings for screen res. and the lag. PS2 doesn't suffer any of those.

If you play on 360 I can tell you, you're not playing to your full potential.

[Odintius]

Remake FFXI for PS3 / PC with the graphics of XIV, make new servers with the option of transferring Character Data from FFXI to FFXI-2, and leave the Ps2 players on 1 lonely server of 20-30 people till they get a job and upgrade. Bam, problem solved.

On a more serious note, it's only a matter of time before PS2 players are phased out, 7-8 years was plenty of time to get a job/save money for a crappy PC or an xbox 360 to run this game on. PS2 is outdated and will continue to hold this game back untill SE makes the smart choice to cut them off. Of course there is going to be a degree of angry customers, but if the issue is not delt with they will lose 10x more players then the amount of PS2 players remaining because of the games lack of progression.

I for one wouldn't mine this :P

[oliveira]

I currently use a Athlon 64 X2 (2.4ghz) with 4GB RAM and an Geforce GTS280 and FFXIV would still crap my PC out (I know it's a bit outdated now but when it was new a few years ago it was an 800 bucks PC.) -_-;

FFXI run on "over the maximum" settings (2048x2048 backbuffer) on that machine without hiccups even on crowded areas.

I like how I can use the PS2 and have the PC free for other things though.

[Ilax]

Slap $2000 onto that and it'll run XIV like a charm, but don't worry, XIV sucks you're not missing much. You run around for weeks killing "Doblyns" to get to 50, then when you're 50.. Do it again for another job. Endgame has like 6 NMs. Outside of half empty linkshells, noone in the game talks or soializes. But it's ok, instead of fixing the game, the most recent update made Doblyns stronger. So now it takes 3 times as long to level. But hey, maybe we'll get chocobos released sometime in the next 7 years.

lol i would be scared to post something like that here, but this made my day lmbo!!!

[Vandheer]

Slap $2000 onto that and it'll run XIV like a charm

I figured as much. Guess I'm saving all my cookies then. :3 I have a few friends that have FFXIV and have told me its nothin special but given time SE will fix up the game and that extra $2000 should go down. Or they will release FFXIV for PS3 and I'll get myself a copy once its awesome (if it becomes awesome) and save more cash.

Back on topic FFXI for PS3 would be awesome but the updates would take a long time... Aside from that, slap my user info from PS2 version onto PS3 version and I'm good to go. :)

[DuoMaxwell007]

I actually have a ps3 tyvm so if they remade the game or at least let the ps2 version of the game run on ALL sp3s (seeing as mine isnt Backwards compatible) id be ok with it too... maybe release the game on a ps3 disc? then yeah I could play just fine on my ps3 but thats never gonan happen so id still have to depend on the ps2 version :p blame sony for killing BC

[Odintius]

I say just make ffxi for ps3 and dump the ps2 just my opinion so sick of hearing ps2 limitations for a lifetime...

[rog]

You definitely do not a $2000 computer to run ff14. You can run it just fine for under $1k, and even much cheaper if you're willing to lower the quality, and possibly deal with less than ideal (but still playable) performance.

[Pofo]

You definitely do not a $2000 computer to run ff14. You can run it just fine for under $1k, and even much cheaper if you're willing to lower the quality, and possibly deal with less than ideal (but still playable) performance.

True, I was just referring toward highest specs, while running lag free. But the main point of that post was referring to the fact that he's not missing much, the game is in a terrible state as it currently is, and dispite all these fancy letters Yoshi-P keeps writing, I've yet to see anything happen that makes me care enough to log on and start playing again. I think the most appealing thing that XIV has going for it right now, is that it's free of monthly charges, otherwise, I'd say any chinese free MMO > XIV.

[JagerForrester]

PS2 user can still access their accounts if they ever switch to PC or XBox. I'm proof of that cuz i didn't want to go through of the hassle of buying outdated hardware. I'm a believer that outdated hardware will soon disappear from FFXI

[Ilax]

Maybe SE should charge everyone 1$ extra per month for 1~2 yr, and buy a Xbox360 to everyone that still on PS2 >< i won't mind chip in, and finally see new ZONE!!!

Another option i was thinking lately is, why SE don't just limit the number of texture, number of armor model for PS2? Simple you play on PS2 then everyone look like they have Scorpion harness, it would free up enough space for new zone, plus it give a good reason to PS2 player to move on another console: "Sorry if everyone/everything look the same and graphic is very poor is due to limitation of PS2 " Can be sure everyone that play on PC, Xbox360 etc would love that limitation.

I am sure FFXI would be more popular and more player would join the game if more zone would be created. Please no more duped zone ><

[rog]

Please no more duped zone ><
This has nothing to do with ps2 limitations.

[Shewp]

The PS2 is 11 years old, I find it absolutely ridiculous that SE is still supporting it. Simply give all PS2 players a free 360/PC client and drop it completely. Just imagine a what can be done without those limitations! Most PS2 players have a PC anyways.

If anyone wants this game to live longer, SE MUST drop support for the PS2 and move on to better things.

[DuoMaxwell007]

I know PS2 accounts work on xbox and PC, back when I had money (and a working pc) I used to switch between playing FFXI on my pc and ps2 all the time

[Ilax]

This has nothing to do with ps2 limitations.

is all about it. Texture/wire mesh/music, they can't afford to do much anymore, so they recycle the current data.

[PizzaTheHut]

The PS2 is 11 years old, I find it absolutely ridiculous that SE is still supporting it. Simply give all PS2 players a free 360/PC client and drop it completely. Just imagine a what can be done without those limitations! Most PS2 players have a PC anyways.

If anyone wants this game to live longer, SE MUST drop support for the PS2 and move on to better things.

No company is dumb enough to drop large sources of income.

[thefinalrune]

PS2 user can still access their accounts if they ever switch to PC or XBox. I'm proof of that cuz i didn't want to go through of the hassle of buying outdated hardware. I'm a believer that outdated hardware will soon disappear from FFXI

Indeed you are correct. Accounts are for your POL ID, not which console or machine you play through.

However, on the subject that's been brought up about dropping the PS2 support I do have this to say: Without a doubt the limited hardware of the sadly long forgotten and unsupported PS2 HDD is hampering the progression and future development of Final Fantasy in a great and striking way. Given the unfortunate turn of events surrounding FFXIV and its horribly small and continually dwindling player base I imagine SE is all the more desperate and reliant on the income that FFXI provides.

Its no secret that SE made considerably less during the last year than they anticipated (about 12% of their projected financial gain). Cutting PS2 support would only cost them dearly given how popular the platform is for use in Japan. However, I could see a phasing out plan as being vastly useful in the long run.

Perhaps by setting a timeline, say a year, for a planned drop of PS2 support along with an offering of a free digital download of the PC version of FFXI to any and all players with valid registration codes would set up a proper standing for being able to truly increase the content and capabilities of Final Fantasy XI. Without a doubt, both from a visual standpoint and a content standpoint leaving behind the PS2 would open many many doors of expansion potential. Of course, with this change should also come about greater marketing to renew people's interest in FFXI.

Its simply not something that can be done quickly or without care, but eventually, for the sake of the game and given its age, not removing support for the outdated system will only damage FFXI's growth to the point that it will eventually fall to the low numbers FFXIV is now supporting (which is approximately a meager 15k users, supposedly).

[rog]

is all about it. Texture/wire mesh/music, they can't afford to do much anymore, so they recycle the current data.Recycling it uses the same resources as new data would. They remake the same zones because it's easier to do so with minimal effort. It has nothing to do with the ps2.

[Juri_Licious]

No company is dumb enough to drop large sources of income.

Out of all my time on FFXI, i've never run into a single PS2 player on FFXI.
I doubt it's a large source of income.

Speaking of income, they'd get so much more if they were capable of doing more advanced updates if it were not for the PS2's limitations.

[Shewp]

Out of all my time on FFXI, i've never run into a single PS2 player on FFXI.
I doubt it's a large source of income.

Speaking of income, they'd get so much more if they were capable of doing more advanced updates if it were not for the PS2's limitations.

I agree completely, how many FFXI players use the PS2? How many of those players have a PC? The income gained by dropping the PS2 will probably be higher than the income if they simply rot with the PS2.

Of course, only SE knows the actual numbers, which is why we need a dev response! :)

[Ilax]

No company is dumb enough to drop large sources of income.

Large sources of income?

Enhance the game and have more ready to join would increase they income.

Support the last 1200 player still on PS2, won't go anywhere, I would like to see a chart of how many still play on PS2.

Like i say i am in to Chip a dollar per month for 2yr just to upgrade these PS2 player lol.

[Odintius]

Let them hit the ps2 limitation threshold and then just keep adding content for pc xbox360 and see the ps2 user's either quit or go out and get a cheap system the game still support's dail up for crying out loud. Just my 2 cent's :P

[Ilax]

Recycling it uses the same resources as new data would. They remake the same zones because it's easier to do so with minimal effort. It has nothing to do with the ps2.

i am not going to explain it again :) just a duped zone (mean they reused the same data + added 9~10 sound track) made PS2 HDD too full.... imagine if they add a new zone now... I agree it made easier for SE too, but no way it cost that much to SE to create a new zone >< Is actually what they did before reach limitation of PS2 (Zilard, CoP, Aht Urhgan)

[rog]

i am not going to explain it again :) just a duped zone (mean they reused the same data + added 9~10 sound track) made PS2 HDD too full.... imagine if they add a new zone now... I agree it made easier for SE too, but no way it cost that much to SE to create a new zone >< Is actually what they did before reach limitation of PS2 (Zilard, CoP, Aht Urhgan)
The HDD is not actually full, it's still got tons of space. The problem with the ps2 was that the partition used by ffxi was too small, so it couldn't use the rest of the HDD.

[GlobalVariable]

If they release a new version of the client with a better GUI for new platforms I would be happy to let my ps2 version die. As long as they are going to continue officially supporting a dead platform and not even update the the windows version for newer operating systems/directx10, I should be able to find discs for my ps2 and right now I can't. I still don't have Wings of the Goddess on my ps2 :mad: Luckily I have both ps2 and pc, but the times I am stuck using my ps2 I can't enter any zones that need WotG.

Edit:
Keep in mind dropping ps2 doesn't necessarily mean making the current ps2 version unable to log in, just means no new stuff for it. Ever failed to register an expansion and tried to zone to that expansions zones? Something like that.

[Vandheer]

Thank you everyone willing to chip in money to a pot to upgrade all the PS2 players! lol Change is good and I'm all for SE dropping PS2 if it ment more expansion for FFXI. It would be nice if SE offered easy transition to PC or Xbox. I don't see SE buying all the PS2 players an Xbox or a PC but its a nice thought. I do think there are more PS2 players then everyone thinks, but I'm just guessing. I mean how often do you ask people you meet on FFXI what they play it on? Along with that how often do you get to ask a Japanese player what they play on? A chart showing the percentages of all the players and what they play on would be awesome but I'm not sure if we'll get a copy of it to scheme changes that major for SE. If it did happen warning in advance would be wonderful to give all the PS2 users time to get ready for the change. Making a PS3 version of the game is also always welcome. :)

[PizzaTheHut]

Out of all my time on FFXI, i've never run into a single PS2 player on FFXI.


Soooo what a couple months? Also I'd like to see your research on that. Screenshot of every single /tell you've sent to every single player that's replied as proof. I need server name to.

[Ilax]

The HDD is not actually full, it's still got tons of space. The problem with the ps2 was that the partition used by ffxi was too small, so it couldn't use the rest of the HDD.

yes and because the HDD and PS2 is not only use for FFXI >< Don't SE had to ask Sony to take more space? Anyway, is limited, 11 yr old, and can get something 10x better for 100~200$ :(

I really wan see a chart* of how many still playing FFXI on PS2 :P

[rog]

yes and because the HDD and PS2 is not only use for FFXI >< Don't SE had to ask Sony to take more space? Anyway, is limited, 11 yr old, and can get something 10x better for 100~200$ :(

I really wan see a chat of how many still playing FFXI on PS2 :P
Pretty much. It's what? 40 gb, iirc? Unless you're using it to store pirated games or something, there's no possible way to fill that. They could have made the ffxi partition 30 gb, and no one would ever need more than the remaining 10 gb, and they'd never fill 30 gb for ffxi either. And no, they don't need sony's permission to use the hdd.

[Starcade]

Sadly, PS players are slowly getting da boots from FFXI. It seems that way anyhow. They are slowly phasing out support for Playstation (i.e. not being able to get the expansion packs easily) not to mention all the freeze ups, download, and graphic problems that playing on PS systems have experienced as of late.

One just hopes that they don't mean to get rid of PS players, but technology moves on.

Until the bulk of Japanese players don't play with PS2 versions anymore, we'll always have to deal with "PS2 limitations".

The PS2 version is going nowhere.

[Mirage]

The HDD is 40 GB, FF11 including all expansions isn't above 20 GB.

I think it's pretty obvious that the FF11 dev team hasn't been given as much funding as they had at first, leaving them with no choice but to reuse a lot of data. It's a pretty sad situation, and I hope they get more money to develop stuff with again. I do suspect that the huge investment that FF14 was (and continues to be) is much of the reason. I think FF11 earnings are more or less poured right into FF14 development.

[Ilax]

The HDD is 40 GB, FF11 including all expansions isn't above 20 GB.

I think it's pretty obvious that the FF11 dev team hasn't been given as much funding as they had at first, leaving them with no choice but to reuse a lot of data. It's a pretty sad situation, and I hope they get more money to develop stuff with again. I do suspect that the huge investment that FF14 was (and continues to be) is much of the reason. I think FF11 earnings are more or less poured right into FF14 development.

Sad when you see 14... They should have probably keep it into 11 lol

[Shewp]

Until the bulk of Japanese players don't play with PS2 versions anymore, we'll always have to deal with "PS2 limitations".

The PS2 version is going nowhere.

It's 2011! I don't know how it is in Japan, but here in California everyone has a computer (mac,pc, laptop, whatever). And since it is 2011, every modern computer in existence can run FFXI flawlessly. SE could easily pull this off as long as they offer a transition with minimal cost for the few remaining PS2 players.

[Juri_Licious]

Soooo what a couple months? Also I'd like to see your research on that. Screenshot of every single /tell you've sent to every single player that's replied as proof. I need server name to.
So defensive..
And since 2009 i've been on FFXI and by the way, the second thing you mentioned is absolutely hilarious. I take it you're a PS2 player.

It's quite hilarious to see how childish people can be on a forum, everyone seems so nice in-game..

[Odintius]

Im pretty sure it the system not the HDD for the limitation's. Can have all the memory in the world but if the system can't support the upgrade they have in mind well...______________

[Ilax]

It's 2011! I don't know how it is in Japan, but here in California everyone has a computer (mac,pc, laptop, whatever). And since it is 2011, every modern computer in existence can run FFXI flawlessly. SE could easily pull this off as long as they offer a transition with minimal cost for the few remaining PS2 players.

And guess what!!! lmao, almost all these mac, computer etc come from japan >< ironic.

You can already download FFXI for free on PC, i can't see any cost.

[PizzaTheHut]

So defensive..
And since 2009 i've been on FFXI and by the way, the second thing you mentioned is absolutely hilarious. I take it you're a PS2 player.

It's quite hilarious to see how childish people can be on a forum, everyone seems so nice in-game..

Crushed your research huh? Actually I play on PC also I just prefer PS2. I'm also tired of the "drop PS2" replies just because you think you'll get a better game from it. Give it up already you know it's not going anywhere and try contributing a reply/topic worthwhile for the game.

[Juri_Licious]

Crushed your reserch huh? Actually I play on PC also I just prefer PS2. I'm also tired of the "drop PS2" replies just because you think you'll get a better game from it. Give it up already you know it's not going anywhere and try contributing a reply/topic worthwhile for the game.
Research? It wasn't research it was my experience in FFXI and, I was sharing that experience in this thread.

If Square-Enix has constantly said they couldn't do certain updates because of the PS2 Hardware limitation. I'm pretty sure that means the PS2 is holding us back.

[Mirage]

I bet they're spending countless man-hours just trying to figure out how to get even the smallest new feature to fit into the PS2's 32 MB of RAM.

[bungiefan]

I think SE should reevaluate it's PS2 userbase and think about moving them to their own dedicated servers then. It seems IMHO, XI is doing better than XIV atm. I logged into XIV yesterday during XI maintenance to find 3ppl in Gridana. I understand they are working on a new battle system for Spring. However if XIV continues the way it is, they might be better off using its resources for a XI 2.0 while keeping a XI 1.0 server(s) for PS2 userbase.

Doing this can break these so called limitations and keep it's stronger userbase going with new content and jobs while keeping the PS2 userbase happy.

They can't do that because some people play the same character on multiple platforms. I play on PC when I need to, but PS2 primarily. Also, if your console dies and you switch to PC or Xbox 360, you'd lose access to your character. The whole point of the system they did is interoperability between multiple platforms. There is no country or platform discrimination on the servers, from the point of the software.

[bungiefan]

The HDD is 40 GB, FF11 including all expansions isn't above 20 GB.

FFXI's partition is 8 GB, and the data files for the game use a bit over 4 GB of that. However, temporary patch files aren't always deleted, and you have to use homebrew on the PS2 to manually delete them. This led to the patch error saying there wasn't enough free hard drive space (meaning on the FFXI partition). FFXI's original partition size at JP launch was 5 GB, and they increased it to 8 GB when Zilart released. They could increase it again unless: 1) the PS2's file systemhas a limitation of 8 GB (no idea, haven't tried to create a larger partition); or 2) there have been so many changes in the development staff that nobody remembers how to change the partition size anymore.

If 1 is the problem, they could try to change the game to use a seperate partition for each expansion, thus bypassing the limit, but they'd have to have the updater create new partitions and copy files, which may not be possible inside POL. That could also possibly fix situation 2, but the current dev staff may not know much about the PS2 file system at all to do this.

After 9 years since JP PS2 beta, there's probably no original development programmers on the staff anymore.

[PizzaTheHut]

Research? It wasn't research it was my experience in FFXI and, I was sharing that experience in this thread.

If Square-Enix has constantly said they couldn't do certain updates because of the PS2 Hardware limitation. I'm pretty sure that means the PS2 is holding us back.

That's great, and as someone who's been playing since release my experience has met with lots of friends including Japanese ones who still prefer PS2 today and would rather use PC for something better. Just lay off the PS2 flames.

Also "couldn't" can also translate to "we're just lazy" or "it's not cost effective" excuse.

The only way I'd support a terminated PS2 service would be a graphics(at least FF13 level) over haul and release for PS3(I'd pay as much as $5 to download it to!)

[bungiefan]

Perhaps by setting a timeline, say a year, for a planned drop of PS2 support along with an offering of a free digital download of the PC version of FFXI to any and all players with valid registration codes would set up a proper standing for being able to truly increase the content and capabilities of Final Fantasy XI. Without a doubt, both from a visual standpoint and a content standpoint leaving behind the PS2 would open many many doors of expansion potential. Of course, with this change should also come about greater marketing to renew people's interest in FFXI.

It's not a problem of giving the PC client away, it's easy enough to find the installer for free, as there's no copy protection on the PC version. The problem is having the hardware to run the game. I don't have a 360, and a new computer is something I don't have the money for all at once very often. I generally go 8 years between computers. I don't know a lot of Japanese people with gaming computers, they don't update unless they have to, and consoles are more popular for gaming.

They could easily start an official torrent for the PC version installer, and let people download it, then just start paying the fee to get a registration code and an account. Giving every PS2 user a computer capable of the game is a more expensive issue. Paying the monthly fee for a year is less expensive than getting a new machine. We may be able to pay to play the game, but not to get a current computer.

[bungiefan]

As for borrowing an install disc from a ps2 player sure that would be easy if said ppl existed or werent rare.. i mean if you got a ps2 CoP disc (or collection 2008 ps2 disc) I can borrow and you wanna mail it to me so I can reinstall Id very much be greatful :p

My issue with that would be wanting a deposit, to be returned upon return of the disc. The last person I loaned a disc to for research purposes (my PSBBN install disc and a few games with HDD support before NA PS2 HDD release), cut off communication with me and posted my items up for auction on another site. One of the discs I didn't get back because he sold it. With me being in Alaska, I couldn't just drive to the address I mailed it to, so I made our chat logs public (including the mailing instructions he gave me) after finding out he blocked my IM accounts from seeing him online and he refused communication with me. I don't want to have to try to repeat that again if someone pulls that on me.

[Mirage]

It's not a problem of giving the PC client away, it's easy enough to find the installer for free, as there's no copy protection on the PC version. The problem is having the hardware to run the game. I don't have a 360, and a new computer is something I don't have the money for all at once very often. I generally go 8 years between computers. I don't know a lot of Japanese people with gaming computers, they don't update unless they have to, and consoles are more popular for gaming.

They could easily start an official torrent for the PC version installer, and let people download it, then just start paying the fee to get a registration code and an account. Giving every PS2 user a computer capable of the game is a more expensive issue. Paying the monthly fee for a year is less expensive than getting a new machine. We may be able to pay to play the game, but not to get a current computer.

Any PC, gaming-spec or not, made within the last 5 years, is going to be able to run FF11 at PS2-level graphics or better. I do not believe that most japanese players do not have a PC that meets the requirements. Even my laptop from early 2005 can run this game.

[DuoMaxwell007]

I wouldnt do something like that, especially over a ps2 installation disc, and even if i were to do something like that youd have my mailing address plus chat log proof that would prove is owned by you and me keeping it would be theft.. thus youd know exactly where to send the cops, trust me "stealing" a cop disc wouldnt be worth the hassle or risk it would take to do that even if there was a chance I could get away with it... the risk/effort wouldnt be worth the reward

[Juri_Licious]

That's great, and as someone who's been playing since release my experience has met with lots of friends including Japanese ones who still prefer PS2 today and would rather use PC for something better. Just lay off the PS2 flames.

Also "couldn't" can also translate to "we're just lazy" or "it's not cost effective" excuse.

The only way I'd support a terminated PS2 service would be a graphics(at least FF13 level) over haul and release for PS3(I'd pay as much as $5 to download it to!)
So this isn't even about what's beneficial to the game.

It's about you wanting to play FFXI on a Sony system.

[Volkai]

I am willing to spend $30 + s/h for a new PS2 install disc of FFXI which alleviates some of the PS2 limitations (like the amount of PS2 HDD space apportioned to FFXI) such that we can have more expansions.

Who's with me?

[bungiefan]

I wouldnt do something like that, especially over a ps2 installation disc, and even if i were to do something like that youd have my mailing address plus chat log proof that would prove is owned by you and me keeping it would be theft.. thus youd know exactly where to send the cops, trust me "stealing" a cop disc wouldnt be worth the hassle or risk it would take to do that even if there was a chance I could get away with it... the risk/effort wouldnt be worth the reward

Well, I have an American 2008 disc. I'm in Alaska, and I won't ship outside the US or Canada. Take the discussion off the forums with me if you wish to discuss it. I'm not hard to find.

[Domfrancisco]

Are we allowed to post links on these forums? I see some Off-Lease computers on the Tiger direct web site for $110 that'll probably run FFXI flawlessly at the same resolution as the PS2, but they don't come with monitors.

[PizzaTheHut]

So this isn't even about what's beneficial to the game.

It's about you wanting to play FFXI on a Sony system.

So this isn't even about what's beneficial to the game. It's about you in denial thinking dropping a large portion of the player base will actually benefit the games time frame.

[Shibaa]

Given that the new engine for 14 is to work with the ps3, then they already have ability to add 11 to the ps3, they just need to make 11 work with the new engine.

For those they have a ps3 but not the discs, they could offer the game as dl from the sony store.

[Tezz]

I agree. If it won't cost SE a ton of development time & money to port FF11 to ps3, i think they should go for it. Hell they should go for it regardless and update a bunch of stuff they never could before. Even something like upping the graphics might draw-in quite a few people who are obsessed with graphics only.

[Spero]

It seems it would benefit SE to come up with a Ps3 verson of ffxi. On the Playstation boards people are constantly asking if fffxi can be installed on a ps3 slim. If SE came up with a ps3 version, it would out sell the 360 version easily. I have a 60 gig ps3, and I would buy an updated ps3 version in a heartbeat.

[Unaisis]

i used to play ps2 at first, til i saw 11 on pc. i was like "Holy Crap nuggets O.o i don't have to be 2 feet from something to see its name clearly!!!".

[Sephyder]

i used to play ps2 at first, til i saw 11 on pc. i was like "Holy Crap nuggets O.o i don't have to be 2 feet from something to see its name clearly!!!".

I thought the same thing.. actually upgraded to PC in 2005 from the 100$ PS2 version... When my PS2 got to the point of not playing disks anymore i let it go...

Oh and i recently built a PC for 400$ that could probably play XIV(maybe need to spend another 60 bucks or so for an upgrade from the Radeon HD4200). Im prolly sure a 50$ yardsale/craigslist computer built post 2006 will do the job, and most likely better than the PS2 could ever dream of.

[Alhanelem]

This is why people need to learn: Never make a multiplatform MMO on a platform with no capacity for upgrading.

I'm amazed if there's an original model PS2 left in the world somewhere that still reads discs.

[rog]

This is why people need to learn: Never make a multiplatform MMO on a platform with no capacity for upgrading.

I'm amazed if there's an original model PS2 left in the world somewhere that still reads discs.
I've still my ps2 that was bought minutes after release, which works fine. Granted, we got a slim to replace is as soon as that was released, and it hasn't been used much since then, and it was never really played a whole lot before then, otherwise there'd be no chance of it still working.

[Dsherman]

The PS2 version is not a significant revenue source for SE in North America or Europe.

But Japan? Yes. SE does NOT want to drive off the revenue from Japanese PS2 FFXI Players.

For North America, there has not been ANY new Playstation machine made that could support FFXI since about the same time the PS2 Vana Collecftion 2008 was released concurent with the Wings of the Goddess expansion in November 2007. (The last PS3 that could support PS2 software was made earlier that year.) That is why no one sellls anything FFXI PS2 any more.

But SE still has MAJOR revenue from Japan on the Japanese PS2 version.

And it has most of the same limitations the NA version has.

I still play the NA PS2 version most of the time.. but I have access to all 3 of them. I can only have one of them at a time on the same account, but the account and character can be used on PC, Xbox, or PS2 at will.

[DurtieSweat]

Honestly, I've been done with PS and sony since I finished FFX-2. A year or so earlier I got the HDD and FFXI package for PS2 and didn't like the game and quit after 1 month of play.(Kinda like FFXIV, 'cept I understand MMO now) That being said, I have no idea really how the PS2 version is.

People, that was 2003!!!! Seriously, name one sophisticated electronic device that you would still use today if made in 2003-2005 (in-game and r/l) that doesnt come with a Dashboard! Name one article of clothing you would wear (in-game and r/l) that old? Name one video, cut-scene or movie today (in-game and r/l) that is less detailed than a 2003-2005 version!! Go ahead, I'll wait...

Goodbye PS2. Congrats something new.

[Bahamut_Norm]

Online games, especially socially complex online games, sell subscriptions better the more accessible (read; more compatible with hardware) they are.

Cases in point; any Blizzard/Valve game. Ever.

World of Warcraft's minimum system requirements are rather eerily similar to the PC port of FFXI. The difference is that the graphics for FFXI were originally made for older TVs. No one who's actually seen the PS2 version played such a way on a good old 4:3 ratio standard definition NTSC television will tell you it looks anything absolutely short of fantastic on it compared to the (default setup without lots of tweaking) PC port as it was made to do.

The largest limitation on the PS2 is memory and you know what? I'm thankful for that. It means I can install and run my 15 dollar a month addiction on anything I very %$!& well please. Be it an Xplosion-Box, a PS2 or a four year old laptop with the just-barely-high-enough on board Intel graphics chip with hardware T&L to sign in and keep playing.

I don't play 14, though I'd like to. I could upgrade my stuff to play it, but I don't want to, I have no innate desire to. I may be in the minority, but I'll probably play it when the PS3 version comes out. But then we'll be repeating this same thread in 10 years when some non-issue PS3 version restriction holds back some silly feature.

So I wonder, why on earth would Square want to suddenly start implementing features which would possibly alienate very loyal, steady paying players through force-depreciation from an exceptionally well aged game? Don't even try to tell me that it's because suddenly improved graphics will addict more players; Eve Online.

[Rambus]

what are you going to do when that ps2 gives out? has to be hard to replace by now.
really would like to see dropping the PS2

[Dreimar]

It wont never happen SE drop Ps2/Xbox support, consoles accounts outnumber PC users.

[Mirage]

Online games, especially socially complex online games, sell subscriptions better the more accessible (read; more compatible with hardware) they are.

Cases in point; any Blizzard/Valve game. Ever.

World of Warcraft's minimum system requirements are rather eerily similar to the PC port of FFXI. The difference is that the graphics for FFXI were originally made for older TVs. No one who's actually seen the PS2 version played such a way on a good old 4:3 ratio standard definition NTSC television will tell you it looks anything absolutely short of fantastic on it compared to the (default setup without lots of tweaking) PC port as it was made to do.

The largest limitation on the PS2 is memory and you know what? I'm thankful for that. It means I can install and run my 15 dollar a month addiction on anything I very %$!& well please. Be it an Xplosion-Box, a PS2 or a four year old laptop with the just-barely-high-enough on board Intel graphics chip with hardware T&L to sign in and keep playing.


The PS2's main problem is RAM. Dropping PS2 support would let them implement lots of things that were earlier limited by the PS2's RAM. The PS2 has got 32 MB of RAM, any PC, even a 6 year old piece of crap is gonna have plenty of RAM.

[Mirage]

It wont never happen SE drop Ps2/Xbox support, consoles accounts outnumber PC users.

Source on that?

[Dreimar]

Source on that?

Experience Points.

[Jibian]

Isnt the xbox 360 version just a hi res ps2 port thats why it chugs when it hits 2700R. they should of just ported the pc version on the xbox even thou it dosent support a mouse

[Ezikiel]

i would like to see a downloadable packet for the ps3

[slakyak]

If only there was a way of making everyone happy!

I love the fact that all the different platforms can all play together, this is the only MMO that I play but am I right in thinking its pretty unique because of that? It'd be a shame to loose the cross-platform-ness for anything less than a massive overhaul of the game.

[Rocman]

Do you understand how hard it is for ps2 users to play ffxi on the pc? I have 2 chars, my main is on the ps2 only use the pc char to PL, or too hold items. It is very difficult to go from playing with a controller to using the keyboard. I am not an xbox fan at all so i would not buy an xbox just for ffxi. I do have a ps3 but taking the time to put all the files onto the ps3 takes days. As of right now i dont have any problems playing on the ps2 but i am very concerned that i will.

[Haldarn]

Do you understand how hard it is for ps2 users to play ffxi on the pc? I have 2 chars, my main is on the ps2 only use the pc char to PL, or too hold items. It is very difficult to go from playing with a controller to using the keyboard. I am not an xbox fan at all so i would not buy an xbox just for ffxi. I do have a ps3 but taking the time to put all the files onto the ps3 takes days. As of right now i dont have any problems playing on the ps2 but i am very concerned that i will.
Just use a pad with your PC? I started playing on Xbox and moved to PC w/gamepad and have felt no difference between the controller setup. Haven't looked back because of the superior PC graphics.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

Do you understand how hard it is for ps2 users to play ffxi on the pc? I have 2 chars, my main is on the ps2 only use the pc char to PL, or too hold items. It is very difficult to go from playing with a controller to using the keyboard. I am not an xbox fan at all so i would not buy an xbox just for ffxi. I do have a ps3 but taking the time to put all the files onto the ps3 takes days. As of right now i dont have any problems playing on the ps2 but i am very concerned that i will.

I have been playing the PC versions since it's release back in 03, and i never used a mouse/keyboard (except for typing of course)

it is not that hard to get a controller for PC and set it up in the config, hell I recommend this controller, it is for the PS3 but it works on PC and has to be one of the best controllers I have ever owned.

http://gizmodo.com/#!5563483/power-a-makes-a-wireless-xbox-360-controller-for-the-ps3

and they sell them at GameStop for $40

[cidbahamut]

Heck, you can just use the PS2 controller you've got now. They have $5 USB adapters that let you plug your PS2 controller into your PC. This stuff isn't hard guys.

[GERM]

I agree SqEnix needs to come up with a way to beable to allow for a reinstall based off whatever circumstance.. even create a basic install that will allow you to connect FFXI sight through your ps2 and be able to download (buy if you didnt have an expansion registered prior) right off of the server

[GERM]

Heck, you can just use the PS2 controller you've got now. They have $5 USB adapters that let you plug your PS2 controller into your PC. This stuff isn't hard guys.

Great idea but lets say someone doesn't own a computer (which is weird if they are on a forum discussing this) just going with the idea that basically if you bought it for PS2 you should beable to continue to play it on PS2 and having an easy way to reinstall it on a PS2

[cidbahamut]

We're operating under the assumption that this is the 21st century.

Though to be fair, I'd agree there ought to be a better way to reinstall than "drop several hundred dollars on out of print install discs".

[Krashport]

I've started playing FFXI on PS2 from US release Everything expires once in awhile for "Those" that are Complaining to SE for a product that they didn't make, (PlayStation2) which is Sony should Complain to: http://us.playstation.com/support/?s=ps2#ps2

Maybe if enough PS2 players, Complained to the right source you might get results. I'm pretty sure all SE can do for (PlayStation2) is in file form.

It's my opinion and I'm pretty sure a lot of other members as well, But "Sony" PlayStation 2 is holding FFXI back. It would be nice to live forever but its just not possible hope PS2 players don't get the boot but it does not look good at this stand point.

If SE and Sony merged I didn't get that memo... >.>;

[Lithian]

Just popping in to say I'm a supporter of PS2.

That is all.

[MrWigglles]

For 700 dollars you could probably get yourself a decent (or refurbished) gaming laptop. I know you said that's not an option but the only other thing I can think of is some sort of digital only version offered by SE for your PS2/PS3 hard drive.

*cough* 700!$
It's much cheaper to buy a Xbox 360 and the complete FFXI collection.

[MrWigglles]

You can get a laptop for 200$ that can run FFXI flawlessly. Head to Best Buy or, a computer store.

she wants him to have an i-3/i-5...power!.;)

[Yarly]

No, SE shouldn't drop PS2 support. All that would achieve is losing their entire PS2 player base.

No, the game isn't going to look any prettier (overnight or over time)
No, you aren't going to see an increase in FPS
No, DX9+ support won't happen
No, the UI won't change

Yes, your game will just be the same game it has been for the last 8 years, minus the PS2 users.

The most that anyone would get out of losing PS2 support is POSSIBLY a little bit more inventory space and the ability to autotranslate your key items and the new weaponskills.

Back on topic:

I've installed FFXI twice on my PS3 (using software backwards compatability) that includes all expansions up until WOTG. Never ran into a problem. I installed them using each individual installation disc, because I bought them as they came out.

Your disc is probably scratched or your PS2 laser is giving out. BOTH of my PS2 have faulty lasers now, even after adjusting the voltage and shiz. Good thing I use hdloader!

[Nattack]

i use my ps2 occasionally.

not for ffxi though. not since like... 2006

[RAIST]

@the user having trouble with the CoP install disk:

Is your PS2 modded? Then you could try ripping a copy of the original and booting it via modchip, or burn it with ESR patching and try bootin it via ESR app in avaialble in FreeMCBoot.

For that matter...wonder if the disk couldn't be copied over wtih WinHiip and then run from HDL as well... just a few rambling thoughts.

Raist

[Miera]

Unfortunately some people are not as well off as others, I know PS2 is holding FFXI back and if they were to Cut FFXI from Ps@ some might just quit anyway $200 could be a little too expensive to a player just to play one game.

[Mordanthos]

This cannot happen. The disc for Wings of the goddess isnt even produced anymore by SE. I have 1 computer and me and wife are gamers, and it was becoming a real issue when we both wanted to play something. So i decided to rip out the PS2 and the ffxi i bought for it when it first came out, only to find out i had all expansions except for Wings of the Goddess. I spent a week tracking down this freeeeeeking game only to find out, its not produced anymore. I had to buy a copy from Amazon.com for 50 dollars. As big a hassle as it was, i did finally get wings installed on my PS2 and have all expansions for it. But if u notice, on the game ordering section of the playonline site, they offer the games for PC and GAYBOX 360, nothing for PS2 except for original game. They dont produce PS2 ffxi games anymore, if i were u, id ebay, or Amazon that crap before its too late, or ur stuck having to buy a gaybox 360.

As an extra note, for some reason when i was looking for copies of Wings of the Goddess for the PS2 on amazon, the other expansions were like, 9 bucks, and wings of the goddess was 50 dollars, kinda irked me i got stuck with the one that had to be 50 dollars. But warning to those who wish to seek this game for PS2. Your prolly looking ata total cost of about 300 dollars probably, since the HD and game will prolly be the most expensive piece u get aside from the 89-99 dollar PS2

[Dauntless]

GAYBOX 360

Oh you're clever.

[rog]

Unfortunately some people are not as well off as others, I know PS2 is holding FFXI back and if they were to Cut FFXI from Ps@ some might just quit anyway $200 could be a little too expensive to a player just to play one game.Most people already have a computer that can play ffxi just fine.

Almost everyone that doesn't could get it to run ffxi just fine with the addition of a $10 video card.

[Mordanthos]

Oh you're clever.


U dun have to be jealous of my awesomeness

[Kailea_Nagisa]

I stopped bothering with system favoritism a long time ago, I just said screw it and bought all of them -.-

but yeah SE might still "support PS2" but I can tell you it is hard as hell to find the discs, that is why my backup is now Xbox360

[Krashport]

No, SE shouldn't drop PS2 support. All that would achieve is losing their entire PS2 player base.
I'm not speaking for the "Entire" PS2 player base, but maybe some.. I think a lot already had come to terms and understanding that its time to retire PS2 let FFXI grow! We're getting add-ons whatever happened to those Expansion packs.

No, the game isn't going to look any prettier (overnight or over time)
No, you aren't going to see an increase in FPS
No, DX9+ support won't happen
No, the UI won't change
Yes, your game will just be the same game it has been for the last 8 years, minus the PS2 users.

The most that anyone would get out of losing PS2 support is POSSIBLY a little bit more inventory space and the ability to autotranslate your key items and the new weaponskills.
I except your assumption, but I don't agree.
Reason why I disagree, Your not making any facts as to why FFXI wouldn't improve.

Back on topic:

I've installed FFXI twice on my PS3 (using software backwards compatability) that includes all expansions up until WOTG. Never ran into a problem. I installed them using each individual installation disc, because I bought them as they came out.
I see you upgraded to PS3 > "Come to terms and Understanding" Good Job! ^^b

[Retiti]

a little off topic, but moving from ps3 to a laptop with windows 7, does anyone know of any place to get working drivers for the ps3 controller? ive been fighting for a few weeks to find ones that work with windows 7.
im stuck on ps3 until i can get the controller working <,<

[Izzybella]

a little off topic, but moving from ps3 to a laptop with windows 7, does anyone know of any place to get working drivers for the ps3 controller? ive been fighting for a few weeks to find ones that work with windows 7.
im stuck on ps3 until i can get the controller working <,<

Grab yourself a $10 Logitech game pad controller. Easy to config and works fine on Win7. :)

[Retiti]

Grab yourself a $10 Logitech game pad controller. Easy to config and works fine on Win7. :)

well i would, but since there are exactly 0 stores within an hours drive of me that sell them, that idea is out the window lol.
living in hickville canada kind of sucks.

[Miera]

well i would, but since there are exactly 0 stores within an hours drive of me that sell them, that idea is out the window lol.
living in hickville canada kind of sucks. I guess your only option is to find one online and have them ship it to you. ><

[Retiti]

I guess your only option is to find one online and have them ship it to you. ><

/cry. $40 controller, here i come :/
there are seriously no drivers out there for windows 7 for the ps3 controller? /stabbity.

[Krashport]

/cry. $40 controller, here i come :/
there are seriously no drivers out there for windows 7 for the ps3 controller? /stabbity.

Nuuuu thats to much...hope this helps! http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0219451

[Kailea_Nagisa]

well i would, but since there are exactly 0 stores within an hours drive of me that sell them, that idea is out the window lol.
living in hickville canada kind of sucks.

I have windows 7, all I did was plug the PS3 controller into my PC with th e USB cable attacked and it worked, yo uof course have to keep it plugged in. that or get your self a USB 360 controller or a PS3 Power A control (what I use and is wonderful)

Never buy those cheep PC game pads...... they are cheep for a reason ;p

[Tsukino_Kaji]

except that i couldnt pay 700 bucks for a pc/laptop.. now if you told me i could get a pc/laptop that could run ffxi for 100 bucks then sure Id get right on it lolYou can... you wont like though.

[Trangnai]

This cannot happen. The disc for Wings of the goddess isnt even produced anymore by SE. I have 1 computer and me and wife are gamers, and it was becoming a real issue when we both wanted to play something. So i decided to rip out the PS2 and the ffxi i bought for it when it first came out, only to find out i had all expansions except for Wings of the Goddess. I spent a week tracking down this freeeeeeking game only to find out, its not produced anymore. I had to buy a copy from Amazon.com for 50 dollars. As big a hassle as it was, i did finally get wings installed on my PS2 and have all expansions for it. But if u notice, on the game ordering section of the playonline site, they offer the games for PC and GAYBOX 360, nothing for PS2 except for original game. They dont produce PS2 ffxi games anymore, if i were u, id ebay, or Amazon that crap before its too late, or ur stuck having to buy a gaybox 360.

As an extra note, for some reason when i was looking for copies of Wings of the Goddess for the PS2 on amazon, the other expansions were like, 9 bucks, and wings of the goddess was 50 dollars, kinda irked me i got stuck with the one that had to be 50 dollars. But warning to those who wish to seek this game for PS2. Your prolly looking ata total cost of about 300 dollars probably, since the HD and game will prolly be the most expensive piece u get aside from the 89-99 dollar PS2

The only PS2s that are 89-99 dollars are new, which are incompatible with the HDD meaning that you must use older systems only going for 49-59 Dollars used.

In terms coming from a PS2 user, I enjoy playing the game on the PS2, however, the memory limitations mean that it is rather hard for SE to add new content to the game. I'm sure if we could enjoy new content in the game most of us would be willing to upgrade, those who won't will be lost. And honestly, good riddance i think SE being able to release another disc based expansion would be very beneficial to both SE and the players. all PCs with required specs can easily run this game, be it new or old. Unless your PC was made before the game was released (god i hope not). Xbox 360 also has more then required specs, but its not worthwhile until SE fixes the bugs in the 360 version.

FFXI wouldn't be the first MMO to drop support for increasing the abilities of the game. However I recommend SE giving fair advance warring.

[Necrose99]

I was Forced to Abbandon my ps2 system for a Laptop , however I will say that with more rez offten FFXI lags out more so At times less i'm on my desktop with Quad core power.

The PS3 can run FFXI with recent Firmware updates rather well, but I would Agree , that it'd be nice to See Via Digital Downloads A Dedicated PS3 FFXI Kernel and system specific Patches.

I lost my Ps2 in the 2008 Collection it froze for 5 hours and wouldn't budge , I figured it'd be better than Adding WoG to it , since my CoP Disk was missing Via Roomies Brats. and cost of Replacing it is well High. n my plans were to eventually get a PS3.

Sometimes a HDTV , and a Soffa offers more cozzy Grind Experience , PC back or neck Begins to Ache after a bit.

Despite the lower resolution , while ppl in Parties were getting Windows update'd and thier pc would drop the game and restat w/o warning or a Virus would wipe out most thier system , the ps2 even up to Toah was none to Laggy and reliable.


I'm just hoping that updates detect the Ps3 and allow it to be the platform of chose for ps2 players offering rez up like a pc , detecting the ps3 hardware etc, etc, and downloading eventually PS3 specific game code.

Most the game code is shared IE dat files etc. even on pc , just the platform specific , sections ie the pol etc differ a bit.

hopefully if they release another Expansion IE with the Sothern Lands , etc, that they will Mesh all the prior contents into some of the quests , and offer a PS3 specific bundel but Wishlist .....

as well as it'd be nice to Ensure a better migration path to pc or Xbox or etc. though one can upload profiles macros etc , not sure thier non system specific. IE my pc Macros uploaded can be impoted on a chums XBOX or PS3 .

Despite a PS2 being slower often for mule parking in Rollanberry's typical bazzar it didnt go down less updates / storms or power issues. as well as in besiged my old Laptop wasnt to gifted on that Intel GFX chip was offten verry laggy, sometimes I get booted. PS2 however I may lag rarely and 1-2 secounds but no drops , despite the lower resolution at times the stability was enviable..


Just hoping that they over time add PS3 detection routines and via the update allow a migration to a Game core code base thats Ps3 Specific. or add on items that allow for Grafix enhancments.

Windows 7 is nice , however with 2 computers 2 Graduate students , one Middle School ager would be nice to have a spot when i have time, & if booted off my own pc to get my fix.

not nocking an XBOX but it's anoying they just dont have an I'm a player kit on SE store W/o Codes to get one up. though
IE a migration kit , though for PC the Steam option along with less ahem Legal means of getting media. Stem is purely all digital . just that that XBOx controler seems a bit off , i'd have to get me one the ps2/3 controler ports converter thingy. and only a minor few number of games on XBOX i'd like to try.
My PC controler is basicly a PS3 Style one. XD. Granted the ps2 is showing it's age , the ps3 and ps4 are remarkable systems , and talk is that the ps4 is coming sooner than latter.

[RAIST]

about the drivers for the controller... did they finally do away witht he standard controller types? Still on XP myself, as it does all I need it too (haven't even booted the PC in 3 days now, pretty much just for FFXI and paying bills online anymore). Forget exactly how they were named, but in Winblows you've always been able to manually pick a driver and select something from a list full of things like "standard 6 button, 2 axis controller" or something like that. Had to do that once with an old knock-off gamepad I had back in Win98SE. XP has a bunch more options that covered all the buttons on my PS2 controller just fine. Might not be able to find a profile that enables all the buttons, but should be enough to work with. The windows calibration may look weird, one stick will be full x/y axis, while another will be seperate bars like for throttle and rudder, than the d-pad may show as regular buttons and not like a hat switch control--but you should be able to set it up as a standard controller type.

Raist

[Capn]

You can get a laptop for 200$ that can run FFXI flawlessly. Head to Best Buy or, a computer store.

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[NightDagger]

I still have all my original discs but I have also seen that people are nice enough to put the torrents up for FFXI (including all disc expansions). So i would not worry about losing your discs or them getting wrecked as there are cheap/free alternatives.

I play on Xbox now so I would be willing to mail my PS2 disc ( with all expansions) to anyone who ever needed them ^^

NightDagger
Server - Lakshmi

[RAIST]

might want to try Amazon for some of those PS2 discs. On a whim I just searched and found some PS2 CoP discs going for $10.

Raist

[Detoxy]

Ps2 should be used as weight to hold ur door open or to hold books on ur shelf. Its an outdated system that sony needs to stop supporting. U peps that still have a ps2 get a job and upgrade so we can move along.

[JagerForrester]

I mean really.

The PS3 is out.
More technologically advance computers are out.
And they released FFXI on the XBox360.

FFXI (PS2 version) has been discontinued.
The bulky PS2 has been discontinued.
FFXI has been problematic for PS2 users and limiting to all players because SE still has the system supported.

What's the most beneficial reason that players want to still play on the PS2 version? It's been, what? Over 2yrs since SE started declaring that the PS2 was limiting their abilities to expand the game? That's more than enough time to build a reasonable savings to upgrade so the entire community could enjoy more content in the years to come.

[Coldbrand]

But guys, everyone should cater to me because I refuse to make any effort to switch from an 11 year old discontinued system to something new!

[Dauntless]

But guys, everyone should cater to me because I refuse to make any effort to switch from an 11 year old discontinued system to something new!

^

This.

[Flunklesnarkin]

I don't even know how much longer it will be feasible to even play on ps2.

Don't those consoles eventually burn out/ break down just from normal wear and tear.

I don't even know people who use the same car for 10+ years.. let alone a video game system


It would be nice if they could continue supporting the ps2 forever.. but realistically it has to die at some point...

I think 15 years is good for a game system >_>

[Urteil]

I'm still convinced that the N64 is blessed by the Lord Jesus Christ.

Forged in the crystal forge of Superman's fortress of solitude.

And had the balls of Brahman brush atop its curvaceous frame.

It is god-damn indestructible.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

I mean really.

The PS3 is out.
More technologically advance computers are out.
And they released FFXI on the XBox360.

FFXI (PS2 version) has been discontinued.
The bulky PS2 has been discontinued.
FFXI has been problematic for PS2 users and limiting to all players because SE still has the system supported.

What's the most beneficial reason that players want to still play on the PS2 version? It's been, what? Over 2yrs since SE started declaring that the PS2 was limiting their abilities to expand the game? That's more than enough time to build a reasonable savings to upgrade so the entire community could enjoy more content in the years to come.

the main problem with your argument, is that in Japan (where most of the PS2 player base is) The old PS2 and HDD are still being made and sold, it was only discontinued in other regions.

[JagerForrester]

the main problem with your argument, is that in Japan (where most of the PS2 player base is) The old PS2 and HDD are still being made and sold, it was only discontinued in other regions.

Still doesn't prove the fact that the PS2 has been causing FFXI to have problems. All they would need is reason to stop using it... why are they still making the bulky PS2 in Japan? Are they upgrading the system where it's more reliable?

[Juri_Licious]

Still doesn't prove the fact that the PS2 has been causing FFXI to have problems. All they would need is reason to stop using it... why are they still making the bulky PS2 in Japan? Are they upgrading the system where it's more reliable?

Japan = Sony fanboys.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

Still doesn't prove the fact that the PS2 has been causing FFXI to have problems. All they would need is reason to stop using it... why are they still making the bulky PS2 in Japan? Are they upgrading the system where it's more reliable?

never said it was not holding FXI back, in fact I know it is, and I am on the side of updating FFXI to PS3. It seems that one of the big sides of the argument was that the old PS2 and the DVDs where discontinued, and I pointed out that they are, but not in Japan, where most of the PS2 base is.

[Gadanae]

This coming from an avid PS2 user for FFXI.

FFXI is the ONLY thing I play on a PS2 and it's only because I can because it's still supported. Other then that, the PS2 is dead, and as stated before, should be used as a paperweight. I just like it cuz I can play it still.

Would I lose sleep or be upset if they discontinued supporting PS2 for FFXI? Hell no! As stated before as well, FFXI expansion has been limited due to the PS2. If they stopped supporting it, then that would get rid of the limitation! (I think that's the reason why we don't have much much much more inventory in-game, if i'm wrong correct me).

I'm with the people that say upgrade! Spend 200 on Ebay for a laptop that will easily play FFXI. /problemsolved.

[Retiti]

I don't even know people who use the same car for 10+ years.. let alone a video game system

off topic again, but, i have a van thats 20 years old. best thing ive ever had given to me lol.

i love playing on my ps2, i still use it a lot for other games, but id gladly give it up for ffxi if we got more content/whatever. especially if i can get this stupid controller to work on my laptop! works just fine on hubbies pc with win xp.

[cidbahamut]

off topic again, but, i have a van thats 20 years old. best thing ive ever had given to me lol.

i love playing on my ps2, i still use it a lot for other games, but id gladly give it up for ffxi if we got more content/whatever. especially if i can get this stupid controller to work on my laptop! works just fine on hubbies pc with win xp.
http://www.amazon.com/PS2-USB-Dual-Controller-Adapter-Converter/dp/B000F6BGXY/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1300394246&sr=8-3
There, all configured.

[Neofire]

Ps2 should be used as weight to hold ur door open or to hold books on ur shelf. Its an outdated system that sony needs to stop supporting. U peps that still have a ps2 get a job and upgrade so we can move along.
And people like you need to stop crying about something that most likely won't happen for awhile.

[Retiti]

http://www.amazon.com/PS2-USB-Dual-Controller-Adapter-Converter/dp/B000F6BGXY/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1300394246&sr=8-3
There, all configured.

sorry, they dont ship to canada. belive me, ive tried getting a not crap controller, after shipping, theyre going to be over $40. not going to happen.

[Neofire]

Still doesn't prove the fact that the PS2 has been causing FFXI to have problems. All they would need is reason to stop using it... why are they still making the bulky PS2 in Japan? Are they upgrading the system where it's more reliable?
And? Its caused more good then harm and bottom line is SE isn't about to discontinue the ps2 support because others won't FF11 to be less accessible just so that they get more content. Hello! Why' do u think 14 was created? Because I'm sure SE knew it had limits and wasn't going to alter FF11 but cutting a system. FF14 is Sea main focus not a 9 year old mmo that people are leaving anyway.

[cidbahamut]

sorry, they dont ship to canada. belive me, ive tried getting a not crap controller, after shipping, theyre going to be over $40. not going to happen.

Meh, I tried. You just gotta find it available closer to home I guess, since I'd imagine if you could snag a $5 adapter it'd beat the headache of configuring one of those weird PC-specific ones.

[cidbahamut]

And? Its caused more good then harm and bottom line is SE isn't about to discontinue the ps2 support because others won't FF11 to be less accessible just so that they get more content. Hello! Why' do u think 14 was created? Because I'm sure SE knew it had limits and wasn't going to alter FF11 but cutting a system. FF14 is Sea main focus not a 9 year old mmo that people are leaving anyway.

So throw all the resources into saving the ship that's sinking and on fire rather than scrubbing the barnacles off the one that's been sailing strong for years making boatloads of money?

[fizzywig]

My question here is why does square not add it to the ps3 if its to powerful for ps2 officially?

[Krashport]

And? Its caused more good then harm and bottom line is SE isn't about to discontinue the ps2 support because others won't FF11 to be less accessible just so that they get more content.

That's your opinion and I except it, Also SE "might" lose support but sad to say.. only to member like you, Reason why your picking SONY over SQUARE-ENIX, (PlayStation 2 over Final Fantasy XI). ES can only help "Those" PS2 Players that are coming off like you in file form. I'm pretty sure "Their" (SQUARE-ENIX) not coming out w/ a new Chipset, DVD, RAM for PS2's maybe http://us.playstation.com/support/?s=ps2#ps2 can help. I'm pretty sure Sony moved on when they came out w/ PS3 I been hearing talk about PS4.


because others won't FF11 to be less accessible just so that they get more content.

No Neofire Us you as well every member of the FFXI family to get more content. ^^

Also if making money ATM is tough and can't afford to upgrade, I'm sorry but paying 12.95+ a month is that helping money problems in away?


Hello! Why' do u think 14 was created? Because I'm sure SE knew it had limits and wasn't going to alter FF11 but cutting a system. FF14 is Sea main focus not a 9 year old mmo that people are leaving anyway.

It's my opinion but I think 14 was a remake of 11 but only problem they made the same mistake twice its on PS3 as well as PC.

Also I think I speak for a lot of members not "All" it kinda feels like starting over. :confused:

[Yarly]

How many times do people have to say this?

YOU AREN'T GETTING NEW/MORE CONTENT IF PS2 SUPPORT IS DROPPED.

Asking for PS2 support to be dropped is retarded and selfish and it's as stupid as asking SE to drop PC support.

[Krashport]

How many times do people have to say this?

YOU AREN'T GETTING NEW/MORE CONTENT IF PS2 SUPPORT IS DROPPED.

Asking for PS2 support to be dropped is retarded and selfish and it's as stupid as asking SE to drop PC support.


http://www.jpbutton.com/?page_id=3113

[JagerForrester]

It seems that one of the big sides of the argument was that the old PS2 were not discontinued, and I pointed out that they aren't in Japan, where most of the PS2 base is.
Just to get this out of the way, I never doubted you knowing the PS2 is holding FFXI back, otherwise SE isn't doing a good job letting people know that.

You proved to me why the PS2 is still supported, but it doesn't prove it's the most beneficial reason why they still play FFXI on it. I was originally a PS2 player in 2009 when I left and PS2 limitations were beginning to be announced at that time. But I wanted to play the game again. I looked at the PS2 and said, "You're being a problem for FFXI, and I can play the game the same way with something else. You no longer serve me any purpose." If they provided an substantial upgrade to the PS2 where the limitation problem disappeared, I probably would have stayed a PS2 player. So far the most beneficial reason I am hearing is lack of finances. It's not difficult to put money aside every paycheck into savings; I do it every 2months.


And? Its caused more good then harm and bottom line is SE isn't about to discontinue the ps2 support because others want FF11 to be less accessible just so that they get more content. Hello! Why do u think 14 was created? Because I'm sure SE knew it had limits and wasn't going to alter FF11 by cutting a system. FF14 is the main focus not a 9 year old mmo that people are leaving anyway.

Edit: Underlined words reveal your inability to type effectively
I believe FF14 was created to do what FF11 couldn't, expand and customize. That's why 14 looks so much like a clone to me, and I bet SE was planning the FF11 player base was going to move to this new MMO, allowing them to shut down FF11 after FF14 becomes their new cash flow. Unfortunately, FF14 is in the hole. A failed plan to be honest, but they are trying to remedy the mistake by making FF11 attract more revenue as they fix FF14.

They are doing so by getting new players to reach the highest levels much faster so new players can spend their time experiencing all the game content (missions, quests, end-game, etc.) they currently have released for FF11. It has taken a good chunk of time to complete all this content for the older players. So as the newbies spend all this time with all the current content, SE is accumulating the money made to get back up on their feet and recover from the mess they are in.

If they use this money to recover FFXIV, it's another big risk they are taking, and recovering won't be as successful as it would be if FFXIV was a success on the first release date. If they use this money to fix FFXI, which already has a strong, but dwindling player base (because of veterans leaving for lack of new content), they may have much more of a chance to recover lost profits, and veterans may come back to explore the new content on their already built characters.

I agree FF14 is the main focus, but not their major concern. Making money is, and they can't make money with a failed product as much as they can with a successful product.

[Neofire]

Just to get this out of the way, I never doubted you knowing the PS2 is holding FFXI back, otherwise SE isn't doing a good job letting people know that.

You proved to me why the PS2 is still supported, but it doesn't prove it's the most beneficial reason why they still play FFXI on it. I was originally a PS2 player in 2009 when I left and PS2 limitations were beginning to be announced at that time. But I wanted to play the game again. I looked at the PS2 and said, "You're being a problem for FFXI, and I can play the game the same way with something else. You no longer serve me any purpose." If they provided an substantial upgrade to the PS2 where the limitation problem disappeared, I probably would have stayed a PS2 player. So far the most beneficial reason I am hearing is lack of finances. It's not difficult to put money aside every paycheck into savings; I do it every 2months.


I believe FF14 was created to do what FF11 couldn't, expand and customize. That's why 14 looks so much like a clone to me, and I bet SE was planning the FF11 player base was going to move to this new MMO, allowing them to shut down FF11 after FF14 becomes their new cash flow. Unfortunately, FF14 is in the hole. A failed plan to be honest, but they are trying to remedy the mistake by making FF11 attract more revenue as they fix FF14.

They are doing so by getting new players to reach the highest levels much faster so new players can spend their time experiencing all the game content (missions, quests, end-game, etc.) they currently have released for FF11. It has taken a good chunk of time to complete all this content for the older players. So as the newbies spend all this time with all the current content, SE is accumulating the money made to get back up on their feet and recover from the mess they are in.

If they use this money to recover FFXIV, it's another big risk they are taking, and recovering won't be as successful as it would be if FFXIV was a success on the first release date. If they use this money to fix FFXI, which already has a strong, but dwindling player base (because of veterans leaving for lack of new content), they may have much more of a chance to recover lost profits, and veterans may come back to explore the new content on their already built characters.

I agree FF14 is the main focus, but not their major concern. Making money is, and they can't make money with a failed product as much as they can with a successful product.I could give a damn about how you perceive my typing skills because its irrelevant. So try to find something else to hurt my feelings on.

On top though to comment on your "I agree FF14 is the main focus, but not their major concern. Making money is, and they can't make money with a failed product as much as they can with a successful product." statement answer this, if SE has known about the limitations of the ps2(which i am sure they have for a long time now) why haven't they acted? Hmmm maybe it's because they don't feel that they have to? Or the fact that it probably wouldn't do much good?

[Neofire]

How many times do people have to say this?

YOU AREN'T GETTING NEW/MORE CONTENT IF PS2 SUPPORT IS DROPPED.

Asking for PS2 support to be dropped is retarded and selfish and it's as stupid as asking SE to drop PC support.Finally someone with an unselfish opinion. SE isn't going to drop ps2 support or they would of did that before they started losing accounts 2 and 3 years ago.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

How many times do people have to say this?

YOU AREN'T GETTING NEW/MORE CONTENT IF PS2 SUPPORT IS DROPPED.

Asking for PS2 support to be dropped is retarded and selfish and it's as stupid as asking SE to drop PC support.
Finally someone with an unselfish opinion. SE isn't going to drop ps2 support or they would of did that before they started losing accounts 2 and 3 years ago.
http://www.jpbutton.com/?page_id=3113Ha. 6%.
True that the statement, "YOU AREN'T GETTING NEW/MORE CONTENT IF PS2 SUPPORT IS DROPPED" dose say they dropping PS2 will not gain content. But you have to keep in mind that it's only half of a true statement. You are forgetting that the PS2 itself is blocking any new content. So then one could go as far as to say that dropping the PS2 will provide new content.
SE please keep in mind they these are just a select group of very vocal complainers that do not make up the comunity view as a whole and are, in fact, the vast minority.

[PizzaTheHut]

http://www.jpbutton.com/?page_id=3113

Seriously? You're posting a link to a 2009 survey? That anyone can fake? Done by a non credible source? For all we know twenty people could have answered that survey. So unless you/they have proof of almost every single player on each server participating in that study, that proves nothing except that the creator of that survey is just as selfish as everyone else.

Also they used a percentage based system instead of a number for exact participants.

Yarly is still right.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

For all we know twenty people could have answered that survey.SE has already proven with their own surveys that the player base jumps on them. Did you bother to check the traffic of the site?

[RAIST]

A simple fact to this PS2 debate:

SE has STATED they can't do certain things because fo PS2 limitations...so much so that it has become a running joke on some forums to just reply "ps2 limitations" to any suggestions.

It just stands to reason that if there was no need to support the PS2, then that limitation is gone. Then, they have to look to another reason...maybe Graphics Engine or Emulation Layer limitations. But, as it stands now...a fair bit of issues are tied to the need to continue the PS2 support.

That's not opinion, that is fact. If PS2 support were dropped (and there weren't other limitations), then they COULD produce more content, or perhaps enhance current content to a higher quality...unless they run into issues with the Xbox360 then.

So, no we wouldn't necessarily get new content without PS2--but it would no longer be the excuse for not making a lot of changes that were shot down in the past.

Raist

[Krashport]

Seriously? You're posting a link to a 2009 survey? That anyone can fake? Done by a non credible source? For all we know twenty people could have answered that survey. So unless you/they have proof of almost every single player on each server participating in that study, that proves nothing except that the creator of that survey is just as selfish as everyone else.

Also they used a percentage based system instead of a number for exact participants.

Yarly is still right.

I take it that you just click last on every thread. so sad.. =(

[Tsukino_Kaji]

SE has STATED they can't do certain things because fo PS2 limitations...so much so that it has become a running joke on some forums to just reply "ps2 limitations" to any suggestions.Can someone make me a pic of Heston int he surf yelling "damn you" and replace the statue of liberty with a PS2?

[PizzaTheHut]

SE has already proven with their own surveys that the player base jumps on them. Did you bother to check the traffic of the site?

What does web traffic have to do with with participants? One person can visit it a hundred times or someone just browsing adding to it, still doesn't prove anything. Again, percentage based polling.

Also I'd like to see that survey where SE has specifically asked about platform. Thanks

I want a graphics update and huge new expansions to but I know it'll never happen despite this useless argument.

NO company is going to drop a large source of revenue. People seriously think after the tsunami that their gonna drop it after losing millions? Get real.

Give it up, you can't win. Stop using the official forums to further your selfish wants

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Give it up, you can't win. Stop using the official forums to further your selfish wantsSo then you're on the PS2?

[PizzaTheHut]

I take it that you just click last on every thread. so sad.. =(

I could say the same to you. If you've bothered to actually read this thread you would see I have responses since before you even registered here I bet.

[Coldbrand]

GUYS YOU'RE SELFISH BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE US HOLDING THE ENTIRE GAME BACK EVEN THOUGH WE'VE HAD 11 YEARS TO GET WITH THE TIMES. GOD, HOW INCONSIDERATE THAT YOU DON'T LIKE THIS GAME BEING HELD BACK IN THE STONE AGE.

[Krashport]

I could say the same to you. If you've bothered to actually read this thread you would see I have responses since before you even registered here I bet.

Naw I was reading these kinda of treads b4 I reg. Which made me reg.~

[PizzaTheHut]

So then you're on the PS2?

Read the part where I want updates to. I still prefer my nice and quiet humming PS2 on the big screen with PS3 component cables. I prefer to use my PC for better modern games.

So don't dance around my reply with that kind of reply just because it intimidates you.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Read the part where I want updates to. I still prefer my nice and quiet humming PS2 on the big screen with PS3 component cables. I prefer to use my PC for better modern games.

So don't dance around my reply with that kind of reply just because it intimidates you.Now he thinks he's intimidating. Very self important.
Is what I want to know, is why specifically, you don't want them to drop PS2 support?

[JagerForrester]

I say you have a problem typing, and then I see less worded mistakes. I got through to you, that's all I wanted to accomplish. Not to piss you off.


Answer this, if SE has known about the limitations of the ps2(which i am sure they have for a long time now) why haven't they acted?

They probably did know about the limitations months or years before they told us. And they did act. It was FFXIV.

[PizzaTheHut]

Now he thinks he's intimidating. Very self important.
Is what I want to know, is why specifically, you don't want them to drop PS2 support?

I don't care if they drop it or not. As long as they map out and show us an entire proposed plan as to what they could do if they no longer needed to support it to justify dropping their customers. Again it's a dead horse topic especially in light of what's happened and the impact it's gonna have on the revenue.

[Gaspee]

I mean no disrespect, but I agree that PS2 support should be dropped by Square-Enix. However, if and when they do, there should be plenty of advanced notice.

[Myrrh]

What SE should do for us PS2 users is have all the PS2 users send in proof that they use PS2 then send us a computer capable of running FFXI. That way they can drop the PS2 and not drop any of us users. I mean we've been clients for like 8 years now. I think it's completely fair.

[Linh]

Can a player log onto FF11 on the PC with their PS2 login credentials?

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Can a player log onto FF11 on the PC with their PS2 login credentials?Yes, systen doesn't matter in those regards.

[Neofire]

I say you have a problem typing, and then I see less worded mistakes. I got through to you, that's all I wanted to accomplish. Not to piss you off.



They probably did know about the limitations months or years before they told us. And they did act. It was FFXIV.So why drop support for the ps2 on ff11? Your not making since, we aren't talking about 14 here we are talking about 11. Last i checked the ps2 wasn't hurting 14.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

So why drop support for the ps2 on ff11? Your not making since, we aren't talking about 14 here we are talking about 11. Last i checked the ps2 wasn't hurting 14.lol "FFXI HD."

[Krashport]

Seriously? You're posting a link to a 2009 survey? That anyone can fake? Done by a non credible source? For all we know twenty people could have answered that survey. So unless you/they have proof of almost every single player on each server participating in that study, that proves nothing except that the creator of that survey is just as selfish as everyone else.

Also they used a percentage based system instead of a number for exact participants.

Yarly is still right.

1st off where did I ever say that site was official? 2nd I think the most selffish thing is the making of this tread and Yarly is still wrong as well as yourself "I'm assuming" its called "Closed-minded".

no hard feelings PizzaTheHut.

Its amazes me, That you tell me that the site I posted isn't Official when I never said it was in the 1st place, I just put it there just to make a point that there is talk about PS2 going Good Bye! Yet PS2 players not "All" post/beg/cry/tell them they support a Console to SE to which (SQUARE-ENIX) didn't produce, Would make this the wrong site to post PS2 problems and or complains, do you see people post/beg/cry/tell them they support PC.


Using this as an example: "Can SE buy someone a new PC cause their HDD ran out of room? Personally I'm not trying to argue I can careless if PS2 lives or dies, Now it goes back to money issues if you can't afford to upgrade why are you really paying a 12.95+ a month~ don't want to sound cold hearted so I'll say I'm sorry if thats the case. I do hope PS2 players don't get the boot like I said in one of my last posts.

I don't know why this thread was made in the 1st place but yeah... "I'm assuming again" Is "Some" PS2 Players predicting "Their" future.

For those of us who still support the PS2 version of FFXI

[Neofire]

1st off where did I ever say that site was official? 2nd I think the most selffish thing is the making of this tread and Yarly is still wrong as well as yourself "I'm assuming" its called "Closed-minded".

no hard feelings PizzaTheHut.

Its amazes me, That you tell me that the site I posted isn't Official when I never said it was in the 1st place, I just put it there just to make a point that there is talk about PS2 going Good Bye! Yet PS2 players not "All" post/beg/cry/tell them they support a Console to SE to which (SQUARE-ENIX) didn't produce, Would make this the wrong site to post PS2 problems and or complains, do you see people post/beg/cry/tell them they support PC.


Using this as an example: "Can SE buy someone a new PC cause their HDD ran out of room? Personally I'm not trying to argue I can careless if PS2 lives or dies, Now it goes back to money issues if you can't afford to upgrade why are you really paying a 12.95+ a month~ don't want to sound cold hearted so I'll say I'm sorry if thats the case. I do hope PS2 players don't get the boot like I said in one of my last posts.

I don't know why this thread was made in the 1st place but yeah... "I'm assuming again" Is "Some" PS2 Players predicting "Their" future.

For those of us who still support the PS2 version of FFXII guess people want to play it on their ps2's and not a PC? I mean i don't know because i want to do what i feel like lol not be forced to play the game i love on the PC? Money isn't an issue, i have a 60GB ps3 and 40GB ps3, i just like my large screen TV and the comfort of my bed when i play.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

I guess people want to play it on their ps2's and not a PC? I mean i don't know because i want to do what i feel like lol not be forced to play the game i love on the PC?It beacuse they haven't figured out that playing on a keyboard is faster and more efficient then a controler. Quote from my friend, "I can't believe how I ever played with a controler anymore. It's an alien concept now."

[Vivik]

What SE should do for us PS2 users is have all the PS2 users send in proof that they use PS2 then send us a computer capable of running FFXI. That way they can drop the PS2 and not drop any of us users. I mean we've been clients for like 8 years now. I think it's completely fair.

That would be awesome!!! Ipads for everyone!!!;)

[Kwate]

I understand PS2 owners have been loyal, and have their arguments, however its a 11 year old system, since then Sony has came out with a PS3. Not only came out with a PS3, but came out with it almost 5 years ago, I'm respectfully saying its time to upgrade or move on.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

That would be awesome!!! Ipads for everyone!!!;)FFXI isn't an app. lol
Slates for everyone!

[Krashport]

I guess people want to play it on their ps2's and not a PC? I mean i don't know because i want to do what i feel like lol not be forced to play the game i love on the PC? Money isn't an issue, i have a 60GB ps3 and 40GB ps3, i just like my large screen TV and the comfort of my bed when i play.

Point taken, I can't argue w/ having comfort some of us can't get enough of that. But you seem like a PS2 player that would upgrade/move over to your PS3, "IF" SE did make that hard decision about dropping the PS2.

Edit: Good to see the word "Love" used on the Game and not the console, It is all about the game to most members!^^

[JagerForrester]

So why drop support for the ps2 on ff11? Your not making sense, we aren't talking about 14 here we are talking about 11. Last i checked the ps2 wasn't hurting 14.

To make more money....for the remake of FF14.
Make new content for FFXI without PS2 support as incentive to make the PS2 players move.

So what if the PS2 players whine?
If they want new content on FFXI, they will need to play another version.

It's called incentive.
Players lose some to gain MORE!!
Money made for buying the XBox/PC version of FFXI is money MADE for Square-Enix. Creating a new expansion is MORE MONEY!

You're making this as ridiculous as a customer whining that they want HD but don't want to buy an HDTV. And this argument is on such a smaller scale! I think your rebutting me just to rebuttal me.

[fizzywig]

i will say it again if the ps2 is that far keeping things behind why does SE not add ps3 content for the updated system then drop ps2 content after since we cants find a large supply of hd slotted ps2 in the US reasonable priced. Until SE does this they can blame the ps2 all they want but not adding ps3 data its SE holding us up not the ps2 in my opinion

[Spero]

I was on Amazon the other day getting parts for my ps2. I saw about 18 copies of ffxi, some used, some new with harddrives. The prices were't that much.

[JagerForrester]

i will say it again if the ps2 is that far keeping things behind why does SE not add ps3 content for the updated system then drop ps2 content after since we cants find a large supply of hd slotted ps2 in the US reasonable priced. Until SE does this they can blame the ps2 all they want but not adding ps3 data its SE holding us up not the ps2 in my opinion

I think my guess that they wanted to make XIV the new XI is spot on. If they want to make both games available for PS3, I'd be for it. But unless Sony and SE are having some feud and don't want to make a deal, I have no idea why they haven't yet.

[Krashport]

i will say it again if the ps2 is that far keeping things behind why does SE not add ps3 content for the updated system then drop ps2 content after since we cants find a large supply of hd slotted ps2 in the US reasonable priced. Until SE does this they can blame the ps2 all they want but not adding ps3 data its SE holding us up not the ps2 in my opinion

I would believe they would have to get the Ok w/ SONY it could have something to do w/ licensing, one would think SQUARE-ENIX would/have been trying for this seeing how good of a game it is.

[Detoxy]

Ur the 1 crying not I.

[Rocman]

I have a ps2 and ps3, I would love for them to make ffxi for the ps3 so i can finally put my ps2 in my closest along with my nintendo, super nintendo, sega, ect..

[Spero]

If se would come up with a version that would install on the ps3, it would sell a lot more copies. I know on the playstaytion boards, a lot of people keep asking when se is comming out with a ps3 version of ffxi. I know I'd buy it in a heartbeat. I have a 60 gb ps3 and eould like a version for the ps3, maybe they could use ffxiv code for it.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

I would like to use my PS3 as well, my PS3 is one of the older BC ones, but I installed a 120gb HDD into it, I could install the PS2 version, but for some odd reason all I have is the Wings of the Goddess disk -.- I have all my disks for PC and 360, but for the life of me I can not find my PS2 disks, I think I gave them to a friend a long time ago, and forgot about them ;p I really only use my consoles as backups though, I main on PC, and use my consoles for when I am not at home, or the PC is doing something important.

[Legomike]

keyboard is faster and more efficient then a controler. being a console gamer the controller will always be the most efficient for me. i just dont see how a keyboard is faster or more efficient

[NightDagger]

My brother recently came to stay at my house so i pulled out the PS2 for him to play on while he was here. He has always played on PC with a keyboard. he was not aware how easy the game is with a controller. He is now going to be getting a 36 controller to get for his PC to play with.

[rog]

being a console gamer the controller will always be the most efficient for me. i just dont see how a keyboard is faster or more efficient
You're not looking too hard than. Using a controller, you have to press r/l, and then manually scroll over as many as 5 macros (assuming you never start scrolling the wrong way), and hit x. Using a keyboard you hold ctrl/alt, and tab a number. Using a keyboard it never takes more than maybe .5 secs to hit a macro. Using a controller, it can take as much as 1-2 seconds. The difference is rather large. Fortunately, you can always predict what you'll need to use next, allowing you to scroll over to the next macro well in advance, making the raw speed difference irrelevant. However if you get caught off guard, and do need to suddenly use a different macro, the speed difference is readily apparent.

This is from the perspective of someone who can easily use either a keyboard or a controller, in any situation. And i usually prefer to use a controller; because it's more comfortable, not because it's more efficient, or faster.

[NightDagger]

If se would come up with a version that would install on the ps3, it would sell a lot more copies. I know on the playstaytion boards, a lot of people keep asking when se is comming out with a ps3 version of ffxi. I know I'd buy it in a heartbeat. I have a 60 gb ps3 and eould like a version for the ps3, maybe they could use ffxiv code for it.

What FFXIV Code?

On another not, I too would love to play on PS3. I am currently on 360 but have always loved PS. I think the game would play better & the graphics would just be amazing if they brought it on PS3. I could even see JP players upgrading to the PS3 version. it is truly a shame the did not do this 3 years ago. but i guess we can't expect everything >.>

[Volkai]

Expecting a PS2 player to shell out $700+ for a strong PC to play FFXI (a game that already runs on their PS2) is unreasonable.
Expecting a PS2 player to shell out $200+ for a cheap PC or an XBox 360 to play FFXI (a game that already run on their PS2) is also unreasonable.

A player with a system that runs FFXI should not have to shell out greater than $50 (if even that) to play a game that already runs on their functioning system.

"If you can't find this one install disc you should give up and go to a different system" is a ridiculous statement.

The only "go to a different system" statement that I find reasonable in this situation is along the lines of "If your PS2 can't read discs anymore, you need to get a different (non-slim) PS2 - but they are widely and cheaply available."

I believe that the solution for this is a new install disc. I also believe that a mandatory new install could alleviate some of the 'PS2 Limitation' problems, particularly those pertaining to the total hard drive space allotted to PS2 FFXI. It would have to be mandatory because making such changes would likely require abandoning support for most further updates to the existing PS2 FFXI. However, I believe a significant enough portion of existing PS2 users would adopt the new install (assuming it were made widely available) to make it ultimately a positive course of action.

[Urteil]

I mean a lot of disrespect.

PS2 needs to go away so we can get updates for the game we all love.

[rog]

Expecting a PS2 player to shell out $700+ for a strong PC to play FFXI (a game that already runs on their PS2) is unreasonable.
Expecting a PS2 player to shell out $200+ for a cheap PC or an XBox 360 to play FFXI (a game that already run on their PS2) is also unreasonable.

A player with a system that runs FFXI should not have to shell out greater than $50 (if even that) to play a game that already runs on their functioning system.

"If you can't find this one install disc you should give up and go to a different system" is a ridiculous statement.

The only "go to a different system" statement that I find reasonable in this situation is along the lines of "If your PS2 can't read discs anymore, you need to get a different (non-slim) PS2 - but they are widely and cheaply available."

I believe that the solution for this is a new install disc. I also believe that a mandatory new install could alleviate some of the 'PS2 Limitation' problems, particularly those pertaining to the total hard drive space allotted to PS2 FFXI. It would have to be mandatory because making such changes would likely require abandoning support for most further updates to the existing PS2 FFXI. However, I believe a significant enough portion of existing PS2 users would adopt the new install (assuming it were made widely available) to make it ultimately a positive course of action.Any computer made in the last 10 years with a video card that supports TnL will play ffxi just fine. Such a video card can be bought for $10 for any who don't have one.

[Volkai]

Any computer made in the last 10 years with a video card that supports TnL will play ffxi just fine. Such a video card can be bought for $10 for any who don't have one.

Are you going to buy computers for every PS2 player? Do you expect SE to? Will you try to get all PC and XBox 360 players to get together and chip in to buy FFXI-capable computers for every single PS2 (and PS3, since they're running an emulation of PS2) player out there?

Somehow, I doubt it.

[rog]

Are you going to buy computers for every PS2 player? Do you expect SE to? Will you try to get all PC and XBox 360 players to get together and chip in to buy FFXI-capable computers for every single PS2 (and PS3, since they're running an emulation of PS2) player out there?

Somehow, I doubt it.
99% of them probably already have a pc that will play ffxi, either as is, or with the addition of a $10 video card.

Ps3 players would be fine going over 32mb ram usage.

[Volkai]

99% of them probably already have a pc that will play ffxi, either as is, or with the addition of a $10 video card.
Prove it. ALso, what about the other 1%? Are you okay with shutting them out? It seems like it would generate bad PR.

Ps3 players would be fine going over 32mb ram usage.
You realize that the PS3 operation of FFXI is an emulation of PS2 FFXI and therefore subject to the limitations of the PS2 system including but not limited to RAM usage, don't you?

[Juri_Licious]

Prove it. ALso, what about the other 1%? Are you okay with shutting them out? It seems like it would generate bad PR.
I'm pretty sure no one should be shackled by 1% of people on FFXI.
We shouldn't suffer due to them not being able to move on.

Times change, so do computers and games.


You realize that the PS3 operation of FFXI is an emulation of PS2 FFXI and therefore subject to the limitations of the PS2 system including but not limited to RAM usage, don't you?

And that's why you drop the PS2 support and create a PS3 version.
But, regardless of this happens PS2 support needs to be dropped.

[rog]

You realize that the PS3 operation of FFXI is an emulation of PS2 FFXI and therefore subject to the limitations of the PS2 system including but not limited to RAM usage, don't you?
Not quite. Emulation is not exactly the same as the original system, and can take advantage of new hardware that did not exist in the original system.

[Zaknafein]

The main thing SE needs to take into account when considering a Ps3 port, and true expansions to FFXI vs. DLC is that many of XI's userbase (Regardless of what platform they play on) have no desire to start over in 14 myself included. Continuing to just let XI coast with out a true expansion, and true 99 End game content is a dangerous gamble. When you take into account the serious problems with 14 at launch, and other MMO's being released soon or in the near future like Star wars online, Guild wars etc. putting all their eggs into the 14 basket could prove disastrous.

XI has a loyal following, and would be strengthened by a true expansion/99 End game experience. However if things just proceed as business as usual, and 90-99 is just reskins with a bleh End game scene I don't see XI or XIV being competitive for very long. Which would be a shame.

[RAIST]

A player with a system that runs FFXI should not have to shell out greater than $50 (if even that) to play a game that already runs on their functioning system.

Do you think Bill Gates ever thought about people that might still be running windows 9x when they released Vista/Win7? No. Software, like Hardware evolves over time. Either you elect to keep using the older software revisions so you can stay with your older hardware, or you buy the newer hardware if you want the new revision if it won't run on your existing hardware. It is just simply the way of the industry. You couldn't even properly install Office 2000 (their most popular office suite at the time) on Windows Vista--you had to "crack" Vista to complete Outlook's Exchange setup. M$ was aware of the issue, and had no intentions of making a fix for it either--as they already had newer versions of Office out there that were compatible with the new OS.

With your point of view, I should have been able to play FFXI on my old P2 Windows 98SE system with only an 8MB video card, or still be able to play better quality versions of games on an old Sega System that rival the quality of a PS3. But no, I wanted to play FFXI, which had a higher system requirement. So, I rebuilt my system and UPGRADED to Windows XP. I've upgraded my hardware several times since then to further increase my gaming experience.

Likewise, if PS2 owners want to receive the better gaming experience, eventually they may very well have to upgrade from a PS2 to better hardware simply because they won't be able to run newer content in their current software/hardware environment(provided SE is willing to take FFXI to the next level one day).

Raist

[Volkai]

Do you think Bill Gates ever thought about people that might still be running windows 9x when they released Vista/Win7? No. Software, like Hardware evolves over time. Either you elect to keep using the older software revisions so you can stay with your older hardware, or you buy the newer hardware if you want the new revision if it won't run on your existing hardware. It is just simply the way of the industry. You couldn't even properly install Office 2000 (their most popular office suite at the time) on Windows Vista--you had to "crack" Vista to complete Outlook's Exchange setup. M$ was aware of the issue, and had no intentions of making a fix for it either--as they already had newer versions of Office out there that were compatible with the new OS.

With your point of view, I should have been able to play FFXI on my old P2 Windows 98SE system with only an 8MB video card, or still be able to play better quality versions of games on an old Sega System that rival the quality of a PS3. But no, I wanted to play FFXI, which had a higher system requirement. So, I rebuilt my system and UPGRADED to Windows XP. I've upgraded my hardware several times since then to further increase my gaming experience.

Likewise, if PS2 owners want to receive the better gaming experience, eventually they may very well have to upgrade from a PS2 to better hardware simply because they won't be able to run newer content in their current software/hardware environment(provided SE is willing to take FFXI to the next level one day).

Raist


Would you not expect the most recent version of Windows XP to run on a machine that could run the initial release of Windows XP? I believe you would expect it to, because it is reasonable to have such an expectation. SImilarly it is reasonable to assume the latest version of FFXI will run on the same machine that could run the initial release of FFXI.

This comparison can be made with FFXI on PC as well -- should not a PC that could run the first release of FFXI be expected to run the current version of FFXI? I believe it should.

If you want to make comparisons with differing versions of Windows, then you'll have to bring FFXIV into the mix. FFXIV is to FFXI what Windows Vista or Windows 7 is to Windows 9x.

[Soulrunner]

I once bragged that my ps2 had outlived 6 xbox 360 systems, and still played FFXI well. Now I can't say that anymore, my ps2 is dead for online use. As my system was one of the better versions of the ps2 I know others are finding ps2 increasingly capricious as they wind to their inevitable deaths. Trust me give up on the ps2, upgrade to an xbox 360 or pc, you are killing your eyes for no reason, when clearer picture is just a short upgrade away.

[chrism]

I just wish all these PS2 users would get themselves a PC... a cheap one and buy a cheap FF11 expansion pack off of direct2drive.com download all the expansions up until WoTg or add on scenarios if you want... then begin to play on the PC... THE old PS2s have become obsolete and I see people trying to sell the old PS2 models & Hard drive required to RUN FF11 for to much on amazon or ebay... or no one sells it at all.


I say down with the PS2 limitations, let technology move forward so FF11 can move forward as well.

[Zyeriis]

Would you not expect the most recent version of Windows XP to run on a machine that could run the initial release of Windows XP? I believe you would expect it to, because it is reasonable to have such an expectation. SImilarly it is reasonable to assume the latest version of FFXI will run on the same machine that could run the initial release of FFXI.

This comparison can be made with FFXI on PC as well -- should not a PC that could run the first release of FFXI be expected to run the current version of FFXI? I believe it should.

If you want to make comparisons with differing versions of Windows, then you'll have to bring FFXIV into the mix. FFXIV is to FFXI what Windows Vista or Windows 7 is to Windows 9x.

There's the flaw in your argument. If new content cannot be added because of said original machine, then there is no reason for support of the original machine further, hindering progress severely. On this logic, we should revert ffxi back to its state at the ps2 release because any form of updating contradicts your belief.

I can understand the point about how Vista needed to be able to run on previous computers. That being said, we are far past a 1 step upgrade, years past that. You clearly don't understand the concept/need for upgrading. Which is to move limitations so many yards/miles forward, to expand capability. There is a limit, we've reached it, time to upgrade the hardware. The game shouldn't die because you can't accept this.

[Volkai]

I just wish all these PS2 users would get themselves a PC... a cheap one and buy a cheap FF11 expansion pack off of direct2drive.com download all the expansions up until WoTg or add on scenarios if you want... then begin to play on the PC... THE old PS2s have become obsolete and I see people trying to sell the old PS2 models & Hard drive required to RUN FF11 for to much on amazon or ebay... or no one sells it at all.


I say down with the PS2 limitations, let technology move forward so FF11 can move forward as well.

A quick search on Amazon turns up...

Used PS2 (not slim) : $30
PS2 Network Adaptor : $22
New FFXI with 40GB HDD : $50
PS2 CoP (new) : $10 / (used) $4
PS2 ToAU (new) : $3 / (used) $1.50
PS2 WotG (new) : $50 / (used) $40
Standard USB keyboard, black: $10
FFXI Ultimate Collection (Steam, on sale): $5
Scars of Abyssea Registration: $10
Vision of Abyssea Registration: $10
Heroes of Abyssea Registration: $10

So for someone with an existing account with all expansions & add-ons registered that already has a keyboard from a system that cannot run FFXI, they can go from busted system to playing for $147.50.

And someone can go from nil to playing FFXI with an account that has everything registered for $192, of which $35 goes to making a new account with everything registered - a cost any PC player would also have to pay in addition to purchasing a system.

And keep in mind this is all with US prices. JP markets are likely to be different.

[Volkai]

There's the flaw in your argument. If new content cannot be added because of said original machine, then there is no reason for support of the original machine further, hindering progress severely. On this logic, we should revert ffxi back to its state at the ps2 release because any form of updating contradicts your belief.
Boy, you sure do make a lot of faulty assumptions about my belief. We've had YEARS of updates without ditching PS2.

Furthermore, there is a flaw in your argument that there is no longer a reason to support the original machine, which is that there are players that still use the original machine. Instead of approaching the question of how to convince them to upgrade, you simply want to abandon them for your own benefit. Due to the number of players still using the aforementioned original machine, that is an unacceptable option, or it would already have been done. Therefore this is the issue that must be addressed before support for the original machine can be dropped.


I can understand the point about how Vista needed to be able to run on previous computers. That being said, we are far past a 1 step upgrade, years past that. You clearly don't understand the concept/need for upgrading. Which is to move limitations so many yards/miles forward, to expand capability. There is a limit, we've reached it, time to upgrade the hardware. The game shouldn't die because you can't accept this.
You're quite mistaken. I understand both the concept and the reality of the importance of upgrading systems. You don't seem to understand that players who still use PS2 are paying customers just as you are, and are a significant portion of the player base. They should not be left behind because just because you can't accept that their money is worth as much as yours.

[cidbahamut]

Why do people keep assuming there is a need to purchase a new PC when making the jump from PS2?

[Zyeriis]

Boy, you sure do make a lot of faulty assumptions about my belief. We've had YEARS of updates without ditching PS2.

Furthermore, there is a flaw in your argument that there is no longer a reason to support the original machine, which is that there are players that still use the original machine. Instead of approaching the question of how to convince them to upgrade, you simply want to abandon them for your own benefit. Due to the number of players still using the aforementioned original machine, that is an unacceptable option, or it would already have been done. Therefore this is the issue that must be addressed before support for the original machine can be dropped.


You're quite mistaken. I understand both the concept and the reality of the importance of upgrading systems. You don't seem to understand that players who still use PS2 are paying customers just as you are, and are a significant portion of the player base. They should not be left behind because just because you can't accept that their money is worth as much as yours.

Their inability to get with the times, is preventing future content, which I expect as a paying customer. If they can't upgrade because they can't afford to, then they need to get their priorities fixed, because as you said, they're paying customers. They also are not a significant portion of the player base just because you happen to be among them.

As for the years of updates without ditching the ps2, you clearly completely missed the point. Those updates you speak of what I was equating your example of Windows Vista being able to be run on older systems. We are so far beyond that point, that we cannot go further unless the original machine (the ps2) is dropped.

As for the topic of convincing them to upgrade, it's been gone over, many times, with many simple and cheap solutions. This merely adds to the fact that we're being held back pointlessly by stubborn individuals, such as yourself.

Don't like it? Fine, but because of you, the money I put in, has no chance of extending gameplay in the future. In essence, that means the money I'm paying each month is now devalued yet maintaining it's price.

[chrism]

Why do people keep assuming there is a need to purchase a new PC when making the jump from PS2?


Because according to alot of players the PS2 has limitations and if the PS2 system was taken out of the equation then FF11 could be improved ... but I don't really care anymore square-enix is stubborn like a young teenager they most likely will leave things as is.

[Volkai]

Searching on amazon.co.jp, all used
PS2 with HDD: 6,480 yen
Network Adapter: 4,033 yen
FFXI Vana'diel Collection 2: 2,550 yen

Total: 13,063 yen. Converts to just over US$161

[Spero]

If se was so worried about ps2 limitations, they would upgrade ps2 version to the ps3 version. They came up with the 360 version easy enough and they have an engine that would support ps3 already in ffxiv,so convert it for ffxi. Problem solved.

[chrism]

If se was so worried about ps2 limitations, they would upgrade ps2 version to the ps3 version. They came up with the 360 version easy enough and they have an engine that would support ps3 already in ffxiv,so convert it for ffxi. Problem solved.


AMEN!!!!! Everyone else agree? :)

[Sinthetic]

you can buy a decent PC and play the game wit no issues.
would not cost you an arm and a leg for a barebone kit
like this one
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=93320&CatId=333

start saving some money sell some crap get a job buy a pc
when people say having a PC is not an option for me its just crazy. its 2011 !

[cidbahamut]

Because according to alot of players the PS2 has limitations and if the PS2 system was taken out of the equation then FF11 could be improved ... but I don't really care anymore square-enix is stubborn like a young teenager they most likely will leave things as is.

Yay for reading comprehension. </sarcasm>
I meant why do people keep assuming that there are people out there who play on PS2 but somehow do not possess a PC capable of running FFXI?

[cidbahamut]

when people say having a PC is not an option for me its just crazy. its 2011 !

PCs?
In my 21st century?

[Volkai]

Their inability to get with the times, is preventing future content, which I expect as a paying customer. If they can't upgrade because they can't afford to, then they need to get their priorities fixed, because as you said, they're paying customers. They also are not a significant portion of the player base just because you happen to be among them. What makes you think I happen to be among them?


As for the years of updates without ditching the ps2, you clearly completely missed the point. Those updates you speak of what I was equating your example of Windows Vista being able to be run on older systems. We are so far beyond that point, that we cannot go further unless the original machine (the ps2) is dropped. Your comparison here is faulty. FFXI's updates are not the same as going from Windows 9 to Vista, as I've already explained.


As for the topic of convincing them to upgrade, it's been gone over, many times, with many simple and cheap solutions. This merely adds to the fact that we're being held back pointlessly by stubborn individuals, such as yourself. Not such as myself, actually. Additionally, I challenge the assertion that such options are actually cheap. Cheap is a relative term, after all, and what's cheap to a person making US$50,000 a year is likely to be quite expensive by the standards of someone earning minimum wage - or less.


Don't like it? Fine, but because of you, the money I put in, has no chance of extending gameplay in the future. In essence, that means the money I'm paying each month is now devalued yet maintaining it's price.And again with the assumptions:
1) You're assuming that there's no chance of extending gameplay without dropping PS2, which is unproven. The fact that there are still updates planned means this assumption is wrong.
2) You seem to think I play on PS2. This is also wrong. I moved from PS2 to PC some four years ago now. But I was playing on PS2 for some four years before I made the switch, and I understand why others might not.
3) You seem to think that very few people play on PS2. You're mistaken.
Michael's Site has a comparison graphic ( http://www.finalfantasy7110.com/etc/ffxi_toukei2008mini/img2/06.gif ) based on both their 2009 survey ( http://www.finalfantasy7110.com/etc/ffxi_toukei2008mini/02sp.htm ), and JPButton's 2009 survey ( http://www.jpbutton.com/?page_id=3085 ) which shows that at least as of early 2009, some 3% of both JP and NA/EU populations play on PS3 (using PS2 emulation) while 6% of NA and some 29% of JP populations play on PS2. That's a combined 9% and 32% and averaging them together (weighted slightly in favor of JP) you get a result of approximately 20% or one in five FFXI players using the PS2 version of the game.

20% is not a portion of a player base you can leave behind.



Oh, and before I forget:
4) I doubt you truly feel the money you pay for FFXI has devalued past the point of what FFXI is worth paying for. You're still paying for it, aren't you?

[Volkai]

Yay for reading comprehension. </sarcasm>
I meant why do people keep assuming that there are people out there who play on PS2 but somehow do not possess a PC capable of running FFXI?
Because people keep assuming that someone who has a PC or XBox 360 that is capable of running FFXI, as well as a PS2 capable of running FFXI, couldn't possibly still be playing FFXI on their PS2.

Therefore, the logic goes, anyone who plays FFXI on PS2 must neither have a computer nor an XBox 360.

[Volkai]

you can buy a decent PC and play the game wit no issues.
would not cost you an arm and a leg for a barebone kit
like this one
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=93320&CatId=333

start saving some money sell some crap get a job buy a pc
when people say having a PC is not an option for me its just crazy. its 2011 !

That's $350 after rebate, before shipping.

I already showed in a previous post how you can get FFXI running on PS2 for about two hundred dollars less than that. Additionally, your package does not include a monitor, keyboard, mouse, Operating System, FFXI, or the cost of registering add-ons.

Not to mention the question of knowing how to assemble a computer from parts.

[cidbahamut]

Because people keep assuming that someone who has a PC or XBox 360 that is capable of running FFXI, as well as a PS2 capable of running FFXI, couldn't possibly still be playing FFXI on their PS2.

So the reason for clinging to the PS2 is simply because you're stubborn for the sake of being stubborn?

[Volkai]

Why do people keep assuming there is a need to purchase a new PC when making the jump from PS2?

Because according to alot of players the PS2 has limitations and if the PS2 system was taken out of the equation then FF11 could be improved ... but I don't really care anymore square-enix is stubborn like a young teenager they most likely will leave things as is.

Yay for reading comprehension. </sarcasm>
I meant why do people keep assuming that there are people out there who play on PS2 but somehow do not possess a PC capable of running FFXI?

Because people keep assuming that someone who has a PC or XBox 360 that is capable of running FFXI, as well as a PS2 capable of running FFXI, couldn't possibly still be playing FFXI on their PS2.

Therefore, the logic goes, anyone who plays FFXI on PS2 must neither have a computer nor an XBox 360.

So the reason for clinging to the PS2 is simply because you're stubborn for the sake of being stubborn?
. . . What? Why would you ask me that? You're not making any sense in the least. Here, I've re-added all of the nested quotes so that you have context for what's being said. Maybe now you can construct a coherent addition to the conversation instead of some random "so you're being stubborn (which is stupid)" ad-hominem.

[Zyeriis]

What makes you think I happen to be among them?

Your comparison here is faulty. FFXI's updates are not the same as going from Windows 9 to Vista, as I've already explained.

Not such as myself, actually. Additionally, I challenge the assertion that such options are actually cheap. Cheap is a relative term, after all, and what's cheap to a person making US$50,000 a year is likely to be quite expensive by the standards of someone earning minimum wage - or less.

And again with the assumptions:
1) You're assuming that there's no chance of extending gameplay without dropping PS2, which is unproven. The fact that there are still updates planned means this assumption is wrong.
2) You seem to think I play on PS2. This is also wrong. I moved from PS2 to PC some four years ago now. But I was playing on PS2 for some four years before I made the switch, and I understand why others might not.
3) You seem to think that very few people play on PS2. You're mistaken.
Michael's Site has a comparison graphic ( http://www.finalfantasy7110.com/etc/ffxi_toukei2008mini/img2/06.gif ) based on both their 2009 survey ( http://www.finalfantasy7110.com/etc/ffxi_toukei2008mini/02sp.htm ), and JPButton's 2009 survey ( http://www.jpbutton.com/?page_id=3085 ) which shows that at least as of early 2009, some 3% of both JP and NA/EU populations play on PS3 (using PS2 emulation) while 6% of NA and some 29% of JP populations play on PS2. That's a combined 9% and 32% and averaging them together (weighted slightly in favor of JP) you get a result of approximately 20% or one in five FFXI players using the PS2 version of the game.

20% is not a portion of a player base you can leave behind.



Oh, and before I forget:
4) I doubt you truly feel the money you pay for FFXI has devalued past the point of what FFXI is worth paying for. You're still paying for it, aren't you?

Some one is clearly speaking out from experiences 2-4 years ago. You're bringing stats out? Terrific, ones from 2 years ago even, which is 1 year after WotG came out. (instance #1 of the ps2 holding us back)

Proof that the ps2 is causing us to be held back:
1) Wings of the Goddess (recycling of textures and areas)
2) The first 3 Add-ons instead of expansion packs (Doesn't add any new areas)
3) Abbysea (another recycling of textures and areas)
4) No true expansion packs being announced since WotG

As for "explaining" that it's not the same:
1) No you didn't
2) No, it's not, it's called an analogy. Go put Vista (or Windows 7) on one of the first comps to be able to use 95, without upgrading it in any way. That's like (i repeat) trying to put new content on the ps2 right now. I am fully aware of the difference between that and trying to do that with a windows 9 computer. I am merely stepping up the extremity of the example/analogy so that you will get it this time (which I doubt)

@ your #4: In the hopes that they'll drop the ps2 (like they very well should because there is absolutely no reason to continue support aside from pure stubborness) and give us new content. Until such a time, the price has devalued.

Updates/Tweaks to the game in its current state is not an expansion or extension of gameplay neither are the abbysea zones, they are merely rewrites.

As for not playing on the ps2, then you have even less reason to defend it's support, less you be trollin. Which I am seriously beginning to believe is the fact of the matter.

As for people who have a 360/PC capable of running FFXI still playing on ps2. The "assumption" that they aren't is a logical process of not using something horribly out of date. Dropping ps2 support won't affect such people. If there are still people who only have the ps2 after that, I simply don't care nor should I when that extremely small minority is only holding the rest of us back. Another fact regarding this matter: their ps2s aren't going to hold out much longer. Sure they can go dump money into another "used" ps2 (that also probably won't last much longer) but they could most likely get a PC (or even a laptop/netbook) that can flawlessly run ffxi (even better to boot) for equal to or less than that price.

[cidbahamut]

Regurgitating a quote pyramid adds nothing to this discussion and you know it.

You appear to be on the PS2 side of the fence as it were, so please explain to me why folks are inclined to rabidly defend the PS2.

[Volkai]

Some one is clearly speaking out from experiences 2-4 years ago. You're bringing stats out?
If you have updated survey data, bring it forth!


2) No, it's not, it's called an analogy. Go put Vista (or Windows 7) on one of the first comps to be able to use 95, without upgrading it in any way. That's like (i repeat) trying to put new content on the ps2 right now. I am fully aware of the difference between that and trying to do that with a windows 9 computer. I am merely stepping up the extremity of the example/analogy so that you will get it this time (which I doubt)I repeat: your analogy is flawed. Trying to put Vista on one of the first comps to be able to use 95 is like trying to put Final Fantasy XIV (14) on one of the first comps to be able to run Final Fantasy XI (11).

The analogy that fits better is putting Windows XP Service Pack 3 on one of the first comps to be able to run Windows XP.


@ your #4: In the hopes that they'll drop the ps2 (like they very well should because there is absolutely no reason to continue support aside from pure stubborness) and give us new content. Until such a time, the price has devalued.

Updates/Tweaks to the game in its current state is not an expansion or extension of gameplay neither are the abbysea zones, they are merely rewrites.

As for not playing on the ps2, then you have even less reason to defend it's support, less you be trollin. Which I am seriously beginning to believe is the fact of the matter. I am not trolling. I am making the case that there are legitimate reasons for not abandoning the PS2 platform and the player base it serves. I am making this case because it needs to be made so that people like you can come to comprehend the reasons for why all you seem to see is "PS2 LIMITATIONS" when you ask why the game doesn't get the big expansions and new stuff that it used to.


As for people who have a 360/PC capable of running FFXI still playing on ps2. The "assumption" that they aren't is a logical process of not using something horribly out of date. Dropping ps2 support won't affect such people. If there are still people who only have the ps2 after that, I simply don't care nor should I when that extremely small minority is only holding the rest of us back. Another fact regarding this matter: their ps2s aren't going to hold out much longer. Sure they can go dump money into another "used" ps2 (that also probably won't last much longer) but they could most likely get a PC (or even a laptop/netbook) that can flawlessly run ffxi (even better to boot) for equal to or less than that price.
You keep saying it's such an extremely small minority" but you have no data to back it up while I've brought out evidence that it's roughly one in five players, which is not a small minority by any stretch.

[Volkai]

Regurgitating a quote pyramid adds nothing to this discussion and you know it.

You appear to be on the PS2 side of the fence as it were, so please explain to me why folks are inclined to rabidly defend the PS2.
A significant percentage of players still use it. Therefore, it is still worth supporting.

Instead of saying "PS2 players should upgrade or get left behind, let's force them to spend more money to play FFXI" why don't you try and come up with some real solutions?

[cidbahamut]

A significant percentage of players still use it. Therefore, it is still worth supporting.

Instead of saying "PS2 players should upgrade or get left behind, let's force them to spend more money to play FFXI" why don't you try and come up with some real solutions?
So we should all be content to watch the game we love die a slow and painful death because revitalizing the game's engine might inconvenience a few players who still cling to an outdated system despite having other machines that are more than up to the task of running the game?

[Ilax]

R.I.P. FFXI









I mean PS2 Oo meh both i guess :(

[Randwolf]

So we should all be content to watch the game we love die a slow and painful death because revitalizing the game's engine might inconvenience a few players who still cling to an outdated system despite having other machines that are more than up to the task of running the game?

The questionable assumption I see here is that S/E would move forward with FFXI in a significant way even if the restraints of the PS2 were to be removed. Another assumption is that the player base would not continue to shrink or would grow significantly enough to cover the loss of PS2 revenue. I'm not saying that these assumptions are incorrect. But, for a company that is revenue based, they are big ones.

[Ilax]

The questionable assumption I see here is that S/E would move forward with FFXI in a significant way even if the restraints of the PS2 were to be removed. Another assumption is that the player base would not continue to shrink or would grow significantly enough to cover the loss of PS2 revenue. I'm not saying that these assumptions are incorrect. But, for a company that is revenue based, they are big ones.

Company have to take some risk, and don't you think it has a risk see FFXI die due to limitation?

[cidbahamut]

Assuming there's a loss of PS2 revenue rather than a conversion is equally flawed. People would make the jump to PC and continue playing.

[Odintius]

Even if it an assumptions on people's part that se will to x or y the fact of the matter is at least they would have the option to do so if they wanted to or not.

[Twille]

I'm afraid FFXI has been dying for a while...

[Randwolf]

Assuming there's a loss of PS2 revenue rather than a conversion is equally flawed. People would make the jump to PC and continue playing.

I didn't make that assumption. You are. Your argument is based on assumptions of what would happen although you have no data to support it.

[cidbahamut]

Addiction + equally easy access to addiction via alternative conduit = continued use of addictive substance. This is not rocket surgery.

[Ilax]

well don't really need to be an expert to understand if SE plan to keep PS2 alive for another 10yr, i don't think FFXI will survive it, well not as it used to be, is already not as it used to be and is decreasing every year... And yet FF14 did not bring anything better.

[Zyeriis]

On the current path (maintaining ps2 support): FFXI is doomed to die due to lack of expansion, especially with the aforementioned dwindling of players. At least with dropping it there is some hope. This is in no way an assumption.

[jimmie]

I'm afraid that the extinction of the PS2 is inevitable.../sob... I tried XB360 and I hated it. couldn't get the PS3s to load POL so I'm saving my pennies to pickup a couple of PCs. Until they die, I'm PS2ing it lol

[Randwolf]

On the current path (maintaining ps2 support): FFXI is doomed to die due to lack of expansion, especially with the aforementioned dwindling of players. At least with dropping it there is some hope. This is in no way an assumption.

Everything dies. And, this may very well be S/E's business plan for FFXI. They may not want to make a significant investment in a game unless there is a high chance of a significant return. They already pulled a large number of the team from FFXI. They may have moved some back. But, I wouldn't hitch my financial star on an aging game.

[Gunit]

FFXI is going to die with or with out PS2 supported.

[Atigeve]

http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=desktop%20computers&_dmpt=Desktop_PCs&_fln=1&_ssov=1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m282&_mPrRngCbx=1&_udlo=50&_udhi=100

for those that asked for a link to a PC under $100 that will run ffxi. There you go.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

FFXI is going to die with or with out PS2 supported.PS2 is the toe tag, a cancer that is slowly eating away at the game, but there is hope. This malignant tumor is easily removed through modern science leaving room to heal and even promote new growth. We need not simply lie back and accept our fate. We can fight this. Together we are stronger then this malady, this affliction that has befallen what we all hold dear. Together. We can all see a brighter tomorrow.


Edit: So changing my sig. lol

[Zyeriis]

That...was a bit far. Disapprove.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

"let's all feel bad for holding back the rest of the FFXI community and go die in a Tsunami."Hey now. None of that. While PS2 is a bad thing, what you just did was too.

[Nataskiller]

except that i couldnt pay 700 bucks for a pc/laptop.. now if you told me i could get a pc/laptop that could run ffxi for 100 bucks then sure Id get right on it lol

if you live near a gamesstop i believe they sell xbox's for 100-150 bucks mm may need to buy a harddrive with it...but its worth it no need to spend 700 dollars on anything when you can cut that by 500 bucks at most...

[Nataskiller]

thats a bit overboard dude....