grips an "best" tp or ws sets as of april30 before may update

[vedder]

hello just random question(s) about gear for tp an ws and where drk is headed as type of gear to perform best at dding

a) grip-- id like to imagine that with store tp build for xhit setup, im no math wiz so hoping some one posts a few xhit builds, that rose is the choice here, but where do the following grips come into play (i myself use pole as i was quit during campaigns hayday so ill probably work on it in the future)
-i) pole
-ii) rose
-iii) uthers
-iv) sword
-v) brave

b) ammo- i) fire bomblet
ii) bomb core
ii) white tathlum
c) {torcleaver ws} waist-snow belt? anguiness belt? warwolf? beir?

d) {torcleaver ws}neck- imagine id use snow here but if there is better alt by all means mention it

now with drk getting ja haste as a 3/4:10 upgrade, and riding emp AM would you still use an alternative hit set up vs what i have listed below to promote more dmg? an if so does it really surpass it overall keeping in mind any sacrifices from dropping hits/ODD aftermath/(lol)set bonus? plz post the gear and any other notes you feel are important

TP SET
caladbolg/pole/x/bomblet
bale+2/bale/bale/brutal
bale+2/bale+2/raja/keen(working on wotg soon for the excelsis)
atheling/goading/blitzer(7acc/3haste working on homam)/aces
WS SET (currently)
caladbolg/pole/x/bomblet(/core/bibiki shell?)
viking(working on twilight)/snow/brutal/bale (moonshade/tp bonus good call?)
ares/bale+2(working on heafoc)/raja(terrasoul?)/keen(raja/terrasoul?)
atheling/lolswd+1(i know i know)/bale+2/bale+2

im just really apprehensive about macroing in vit over str in a ws and hate major trade offs that arent justified with proof that say (example) using aurum body an such such an losing bale body or haste etc would outperform

[Dart]

I take it you have updated ffxi calc? Fiddle around with that but a few suggestions:

also disclaimer. I am 37 lanterns from my own caladbolg so this is all from my friend who has one already (and the guy I ask caladbolg questions too).

6 hit is too difficult to maintain (you cannot maintain capped haste, and you have to ws in some really funky stuff) so just go for a 7 hit with capped haste and maximize your ws set.

I didn't see you list it but hoard ring for tp set. (+4 more store tp)

ace's hose for your legs so you can maintain capped haste (gives 4% drops off blood whatever tonberry nm in aby-kon). (yes -10 acc, but with as much acc+ as drk pushes via gear it isn't an issue)

yes yes yes to rose strap and white tath.

tactical mantle for tp set (antlion is a bitch and requires some help but very doable).

To my knowledge elemental neck/waist are best for all ws sets. You would need something equal to +20 to your stats to compare. This is according to the math person that I bring all my questions too.

he also swears by twilight helm/body for torcleaver due to vit mods. (sidenote: I'm unsure about twlilight body due to the +30 attack grim gives. If you don't think that you're pushing attack cap then I'd go with grim, its a judgement call)

Honestly abyssea is completely different for torcleaver than outside. inside with your usual atma combo you're basically at fstr cap so thats when the vit mod can play a large roll. He says to gear for that.

Outside use stuff like heafoc because your str isn't no where near cap. Jar mentioned I believe str/vit/attack+ mitts that drop from gold chests (I don't remember where, wiki it if you want), for inside since its really hard to find vit+ gear for drk on the hand slot.

Thats all that I can think of for now, if I remember something I'll edit.

[Jar]

hello just random question(s) about gear for tp an ws and where drk is headed as type of gear to perform best at dding

a) grip-- id like to imagine that with store tp build for xhit setup, im no math wiz so hoping some one posts a few xhit builds, that rose is the choice here, but where do the following grips come into play (i myself use pole as i was quit during campaigns hayday so ill probably work on it in the future)
-i) pole
-ii) rose
-iii) uthers
-iv) sword
-v) brave

b) ammo- i) fire bomblet
ii) bomb core
ii) white tathlum
c) {torcleaver ws} waist-snow belt? anguiness belt? warwolf? beir?

d) {torcleaver ws}neck- imagine id use snow here but if there is better alt by all means mention it

now with drk getting ja haste as a 3/4:10 upgrade, and riding emp AM would you still use an alternative hit set up vs what i have listed below to promote more dmg? an if so does it really surpass it overall keeping in mind any sacrifices from dropping hits/ODD aftermath/(lol)set bonus? plz post the gear and any other notes you feel are important

TP SET
caladbolg/pole/x/bomblet
bale+2/bale/bale/brutal
bale+2/bale+2/raja/keen(working on wotg soon for the excelsis)
atheling/goading/blitzer(7acc/3haste working on homam)/aces
WS SET (currently)
caladbolg/pole/x/bomblet(/core/bibiki shell?)
viking(working on twilight)/snow/brutal/bale (moonshade/tp bonus good call?)
ares/bale+2(working on heafoc)/raja(terrasoul?)/keen(raja/terrasoul?)
atheling/lolswd+1(i know i know)/bale+2/bale+2

im just really apprehensive about macroing in vit over str in a ws and hate major trade offs that arent justified with proof that say (example) using aurum body an such such an losing bale body or haste etc would outperform


http://www.ffxiah.com/player/Caitsith/Jar#item-sets

That has my item sets for what i use

Pole almost always wins unless you can get STP to

A: Keep 7hit with Sword strap
B: get a 6hit with rose Strap

Snow belt and gorget are the best for the slots to infinity

i use an xbow and acid bolts when i can but other wise its all Bomblet

The big thing with torcleaver is capping attack so attack gear all the way and keep STR and VIT where you can

[Dart]

Yea I'm looking at things from a scythe perspective and building a 5 hit.

agreed with jar, as I said 6 hit is doable and looking over the numbers/gear myself. You can actually maintain capped haste with it, But yea your torcleaver build would be FUNKYYYYY lol

You would have to ws in tactical mantle, hoard ring and a few other things. (rose strap, white tathlum, augmented attillas with store tp/str) to name a few lmao.

[vedder]

ya know, i totally forgot about calc when i got new pc <_< now i feel dumb

edited in: dart is twilight body really gonna beat ares ? 12str 12vit 24 attack vs 15str 15vit an 25acc??

edited in 2nd: k played with ffxi calc slapped tact rose tath an hoard in and wasnt enough to drop a hit with capped haste sadly

[Jar]

ya know, i totally forgot about calc when i got new pc <_< now i feel dumb

edited in: dart is twilight body really gonna beat ares ? 12str 12vit 24 attack vs 15str 15vit an 25acc??

edited in 2nd: k played with ffxi calc slapped tact rose tath an hoard in and wasnt enough to drop a hit with capped haste sadly

Twilight is only better with capped PDIF all other times Aers's wins

But im goin for Shadow breastplate hoping augments pull through next update.

[Dart]

to phrase what jar said a bit differently.

its +3 str, +3 vit +25 acc vs -3 str -3 vit +24 attack

Depends if you're capped on attack (outside mostly if you have a cor and chaos roll then I'd use twilight, otherwise ares)

inside i'm not so sure due to cruor buffs/what atma you're using.

[vedder]

if it helps any id be using apoc/rr/A&O favourite combo atm for just plunking on

been trying to figure out some gear combos all day to drop a hit on the build but its really not looking promising atm ._.

[Jar]

if it helps any id be using apoc/rr/A&O favourite combo atm for just plunking on

been trying to figure out some gear combos all day to drop a hit on the build but its really not looking promising atm ._.

Plaugbringer/RR/Apoc and you can 6hit easy

[vedder]

true but i like the higher triple attack/attack though i did purposely get pb just goin on what you've stated on these forums, i agree completely about pb vs vv the str is wasted essentially an the 20 stp is nice, is it confirmed about theDA traits being = ?

[Dart]

its minor DA, major DA is listed at 5% so minor is probably in the 2-3% range maybe even 1-2%

A sub to plague(and what i'll probably end up using myself) is atma of the scorpion queen. 10% crit rate, +20 store tp. Thinking about all those delicious crit hits with AM up and riding our new lovely LR timer. /goosebumps

[vedder]

hai i gotz that one t00!

[Jar]

its 5% same as VV

[Dart]

how do you figure? its listed as minor and vv is major which has been tested at 5%.

Yea i just searched the web a bit. Nothing saying that plaguebringer is 5%.

regardless!!! for your total dmg that 10% crit rate is going to out perform even 5% da. (which i don't think that it is!)

[Jar]

how do you figure? its listed as minor and vv is major which has been tested at 5%.

Yea i just searched the web a bit. Nothing saying that plaguebringer is 5%.

regardless!!! for your total dmg that 10% crit rate is going to out perform even 5% da. (which i don't think that it is!)

ahh lol its a typo like how atma of the dunes says STP minor and is +20

[Dart]

see now I gotta take kparser out, use plague for about 1000 swings and record the data. /sigh

[vedder]

do eet dart! i wanna know for sure! :)

[Cruentus]

i use an xbow and acid bolts when i can but other wise its all Bomblet

While I'm all for using every skill to your advantage, you are aware dark knights only have an E skill in marksmanship, right? The one and only time you should be using a crossbow is when you're pulling, and even then, just let the damn thief, ninja, or dancer pull.

[Jar]

While I'm all for using every skill to your advantage, you are aware dark knights only have an E skill in marksmanship, right? The one and only time you should be using a crossbow is when you're pulling, and even then, just let the damn thief, ninja, or dancer pull.

i have 8/8 xbow merits and over +!00 racc in gear <_< i land them on exp mobs all the time

[Dart]

I used to care about stuff like that. then I got lazy lol

[Cruentus]

i have 8/8 xbow merits and over +!00 racc in gear <_< i land them on exp mobs all the time

So what did you do for full combat skill merits, then? 8 scythe, 8 marksmanship, and 4 parrying? You do realize that a dark knight's main damage comes from the scythe, right? Because a dark knight trying to be a ranger is just pathetic. Leave the ranged attacks to the jobs that specialize in it, and show off what only dark knights can do instead.

[Jar]

So what did you do for full combat skill merits, then? 8 scythe, 8 marksmanship, and 4 parrying? You do realize that a dark knight's main damage comes from the scythe, right? Because a dark knight trying to be a ranger is just pathetic. Leave the ranged attacks to the jobs that specialize in it, and show off what only dark knights can do instead.

i have COR bro <_<

and 8/8 Great sword 0/8 scythe 8/8 marksmanship 4/8 sword

Caladbolg.................

[Cruentus]

Great, you can be a corsair. Leave your marksmanship for when you're a corsair, then.

Besides weakness targeting in Abyssea, when would a dark knight ever use a sword? Oh, wait, that would be never, unless you're using ninja as your support job, in which case you're not doing your job correctly.

Lastly, the scythe always has been and always will be a better and cooler weapon than the great sword. Dark knights are not Cloud Strife wannabes. Sure, scythes need a buff now, but once they have it, even the Caladbolg can go right back in the Mog Satchel where it belongs.

[Dart]

I can't speak for others, but I need my white tathlum to maximize most of my xhit builds. That rules xbow out for me.

[Jar]

Great, you can be a corsair. Leave your marksmanship for when you're a corsair, then.

Besides weakness targeting in Abyssea, when would a dark knight ever use a sword? Oh, wait, that would be never, unless you're using ninja as your support job, in which case you're not doing your job correctly.

Lastly, the scythe always has been and always will be a better and cooler weapon than the great sword. Dark knights are not Cloud Strife wannabes. Sure, scythes need a buff now, but once they have it, even the Caladbolg can go right back in the Mog Satchel where it belongs.

U trollin right? really hatin because i hit a mob with defense down sometimes?

FYI if you can land acid on a mob the defense down is worth it over bombcore..

good if you like scythe over GS~ i dont care i have empy GS so i droped scythe merits. if scythe gets better ill switch them back sh*t is easy to do

i think you just hate me man try posting some numbers to why i shouldnt use an xbow whenever i can land it and ill start giving a crap~

f**k man check my gear on ffxiah and tell me if im doin it Wrong.... i see you dont even have any showing <_<

[Cruentus]

This is the only site I use, and even then, I don't really take the ideas of others unless they interest me personally.

Now, I believe swapping your crossbow out for, say, a fire bomblet will reset your TP to 0%. That makes shooting once for the Defense Down effect and switching for your TP build troublesome, since it slows down your damage and weapon skills. If you leave the crossbow on, however, you had better have top gear in every other slot to complete your 6-hit build and have 26% Haste from equipment. If you do, great. This conversation can end right here, then. If you don't, though, you're doing something wrong.

The scythe always has been, and always will be, the focus of any true dark knight, with dark magic being the second, backup focus. The crossbow's just there for pulling when you can't risk magic aggro, and even then, just make the thief, ninja, or dancer pull. If there isn't one, you're in a bad party, or pulling is unnecessary. One of the two. The great sword is just for those pansy dark knight wannabes that can't handle the true nature of the dark knight, which is that of the reaper, and should be feared and respected as such.

[Jar]

This is the only site I use, and even then, I don't really take the ideas of others unless they interest me personally.

Now, I believe swapping your crossbow out for, say, a fire bomblet will reset your TP to 0%. That makes shooting once for the Defense Down effect and switching for your TP build troublesome, since it slows down your damage and weapon skills. If you leave the crossbow on, however, you had better have top gear in every other slot to complete your 6-hit build and have 26% Haste from equipment. If you do, great. This conversation can end right here, then. If you don't, though, you're doing something wrong.

The scythe always has been, and always will be, the focus of any true dark knight, with dark magic being the second, backup focus. The crossbow's just there for pulling when you can't risk magic aggro, and even then, just make the thief, ninja, or dancer pull. If there isn't one, you're in a bad party, or pulling is unnecessary. One of the two. The great sword is just for those pansy dark knight wannabes that can't handle the true nature of the dark knight, which is that of the reaper, and should be feared and respected as such.

yeah im done talking with you i know footstolls that are smarter and know when to stfu..

you really just said fire bomblet

F*ck bro even spoutin off that scythe is better for reasons that make no logical sense.

[Cruentus]

I've been done with you for months. Tonight, I simply got bored. You're always good for a laugh. No dark knight maining a crossbow can ever be taken seriously.

[vedder]

crue, i like ya but honestly man, jars style as long as he's hitting with crossbow is better then using a bomblet or core, i use to do this too til my markmanship fell so far behind an i decided not to bother with it plus i merited scythe an gsd
but like i said if he's hitting its also producing tp so its not like its holding him back

he has empy gsd which is probably drks strongest dd weapon atm

normally i dont get into these kinda things but really man, understand a playstyle before you comment on it, like seeing ppl in a bunch of stp gear an not deducing theyre dropping hits in xhit build an calling em "stoopid drk/sam/war lulz"

[Cruentus]

crue, i like ya but honestly man, jars style as long as he's hitting with crossbow is better then using a bomblet or core, i use to do this too til my markmanship fell so far behind an i decided not to bother with it plus i merited scythe an gsd
but like i said if he's hitting its also producing tp so its not like its holding him back

he has empy gsd which is probably drks strongest dd weapon atm

normally i dont get into these kinda things but really man, understand a playstyle before you comment on it, like seeing ppl in a bunch of stp gear an not deducing theyre dropping hits in xhit build an calling em "stoopid drk/sam/war lulz"

Yeah, all right then. I hope he's using a darkwing +1, then.

[Rezeak]

As for the xbow thing imma just say from my experience the Resist rate is based off your skill for acid bolts i remeber in ToAU Crawlers we had no dispel so i stacked on a ton of Racc to land acid bolts and i found that even tho i could hit them they never proced which lead me to believe that it's based on skill not racc.

Aside from all that really what mob is it worth to land def down on that u can hit with bolt with E skill??

I have a much better way to land def down thats with my 128 DMG scythe with def down +15 on ^^