Remove sellable items from Legion / レギオン

[radar]

Legion / レギオン uses the same zone for Ambuscade, people farm items from it to sell and do it for long periods of time.

Removing sellable items lowers the congestion from an important zone used for ambuscade, legion should not be a gil farming location. Add those sellable drops to ambuscade.

[Uroah]

Group punishment for a handful of bad actors is always a stupid response.

Ban the bots. The hell is wrong with you suggesting they remove sellable items for everyone to stop 1 or 2 dbags from botting legion.

[radar]

Remove sellable items from legion is common sense, they should not be there.

[Zenion]

Why not just ask for Legion to be removed from the game entirely? Without the sellable drops - several of which are ludicrously annoying to get even with Legion, and damn near impossible otherwise - the content is only meaningful to do once for the title and rare enemy+ vorseal. Making abyssite and vorseals inaccessible is a design choice that's been committed to anyway, so why not just axe Legion in its entirety?

Goldsmithing's going to kind of super suck when the only place to get palladian brass ore is gone, but hey, people should have no problem with spamming allied note NMs for luminium ore or crafting hundreds of platinum rings to get their skillup synth materials instead, right?

[radar]

Because it's less work to remove the sellable items from it, and it fixes the problem.

They should not be there, it's almost exclusively botted due to being so easy and the dungeon being linked to ambuscade means it's a problem. There are also lots of other exploits people use related to it too, as you know.

Remove the sellable items from legion, add those sellable to ambuscade = fixed a lot of problems with a small amount of work.

[Zenion]

Or, you know, even easier fix, make a third hall and only update Ambuscade to poll it when it's trying to open an instance. More room for Ambuscade for those months when for some inexplicable reason a third of each server's population is suddenly doing Ambuscade and spending a half hour a run on it, Legion's impact is negated, and we don't have to find out what happens to a server economy when you make a bunch of crafting materials 100% Ambuscade exclusive.

[Alhanelem]

Putting some Japanese in your topic title isn't going to get you more attention.

As for Legion, this isn't a solution. In a rare case I have to agree with our resident bot complainer. Your diagnosis of the problem is incorrect and your solution is terrible. The valuable items are the only reason to even do Legion at all. And its not like people don't do Ambu for gil either. It's all the same in the end. The proper solution is to either ban the bots or reduce Asura's population. This isn't a problem anywhere else. And it seems SE has chosen the latter.

Removing good drops from Legion punishes the many for the actions of the few / the non-human - something SE has already done way too often.

[radar]

Legion is heavily abused, because the content was badly implemented and so the people farming it don't even farm the key items to participate repeatedly as it was designed. If the developers sit at the content invisible and watch people doing it, and investigate how they are obtaining the key items (or not) they will have a lot of people to ban.

It's heavily abused and broken content, it's botted by RMT and it's causing congestion for Ambuscade when it would be far easier and better to put those money drops into content that has better server entry checks.

Not only should it be fixed by removing the money items (and so negating the reason to spam it and cause un-needed congestion to the most important content in the game) but also it's broken and abused by RMT bots using 3rd party tools to get free entries.


resident bot complainer

You know what else he is right? that he is mad should say a lot, if you do.

[Alhanelem]

You don't fix "heavily abused" content by making it unappealing to do at all lol.

You punish the abusers.

If SE listened to you, all items would just be rare EX and there would be no gil or trade at all.

[radar]

You don't fix "heavily abused" content by making it unappealing to do at all lol.

You punish the abusers.

Legion is backwater content, the developers do not notice what has been going on for many years with RMT bots and have probably forgotten it even exists.

With the current fixation with congestion (primarily on ambuscade) it's the perfect time for that to change.

Many of the automated individuals who were farming it have stopped, I wonder why.

[Alhanelem]

Legion is backwater content, the developers do not notice what has been going on for many years with RMT bots and have probably forgotten it even exists.

With the current fixation with congestion (primarily on ambuscade) it's the perfect time for that to change.

Many of the automated individuals who were farming it have stopped, I wonder why.
Irrelevant point. It has its uses and purposes, and again, if SE listened to you, the only solution to RMT bots would be to remove money and trade.

[radar]

Legion is heavily botted by RMT, the server checks are bypassed so they can enter over and over in the high tier battles for money items.

Legion battleifled is shared with Ambuscade.

[Alhanelem]

Legion is heavily botted by RMT, the server checks are bypassed so they can enter over and over in the high tier battles for money items.

Legion battleifled is shared with Ambuscade.
You don't have a point. Bots can farm any content for money items. if you take it away from there they'll just do it somewhere else. It will cause some level of disruption anywhere.

It's not the proper solution. The proper solution is (in the absecnce of actually banning bots at least) to spread population so no one has to be punished for the actions of bots. This wouldn't be a problem if Asura wasn't as full as it was, and don't start talking about how it's not full, because it is. This is only a problem on Asura, even though RMT most likely abuse it everywhere.

[Voidstorm]

instead of complaining about one of the ways players can make gil, why not simply report the people botting it?

Also, why am I see'ing the gun control argument on my video game forum?

Group punishment for a handful of bad actors is always a stupid response.

Ban the bots. The hell is wrong with you suggesting they remove sellable items for everyone to stop 1 or 2 dbags from botting legion.

Remove sellable items from legion is common sense, they should not be there.
:facepalm:

edit: please do not continue the thread on my 'by the way' part of the post. maybe a quip at the end of a post, but don't make the whole post a derail.

[radar]

Asura was closed because of congestion, this is a serious issue that is causing problems for thousands of players.

The legion bots are not only cheating key item entry using 3rd party tools but also botting and causing congestion for Ambuscade (Legion uses the same dungeon instancing as Ambuscade). When you do legion, you're taking up a place and causing congestion for ambuscade players.

Also because it was so heavily botted, normal players can't even often get in since they are using scripts to try to spam entry. Since they often don't farm the key items to enter, they don't even have to worry about getting those as normal players do. It's wall to wall money farming.

Everyone waiting for Ambuscade reading this, if the bots are in legion they are making you wait longer for Ambuscade since the developers used to same zone for both (go into legion, and check zone search to see you're in the same place as ambuscade players). They stopped currently because of the attention, the moment that attention goes away they will start again.

Either remove the money items and put them in more secure content, or alternatively fix the server verification system so players can't spoof the key item anymore. This content is uncontrolled RMT gil farming currently, the limitations the developers put upon it are being circumvented.

[Alhanelem]

Asura was closed because of congestion, this is a serious issue that is causing problems for thousands of players.Yes, it was, and yes, it is. But altering content because of a problem on the one congested server is a terribad idea. Also the whole point of the server closure is to try to reduce the server population and get more people to play on other servers. Which would mitigate the issue at hand.

[radar]

Yes, it was, and yes, it is. But altering content because of a problem on the one congested server is a terribad idea. Also the whole point of the server closure is to try to reduce the server population and get more people to play on other servers. Which would mitigate the issue at hand.

Legion is broken (3rd party use can circumvent key item requirement) on all servers, and is actively being abused. It needs to be fixed.

Now this is more widely known than it was before, if thy don't do anything it will get far worse a month from now when the attention dies down.

[Alhanelem]

Legion is broken (3rd party use can circumvent key item requirement) on all servers, and is actively being abused. It needs to be fixed.

Now this is more widely known than it was before, if thy don't do anything it will get far worse a month from now when the attention dies down.
Sure, if there's bugs, they need to be fixed, and it needs to be reported., but that's an entirely different can of worms.
exploitable bugs need to be reproted through the support center rather than publicly here though.