Vana'bout

[Velner]

Please make it stop.

[Zenion]

As people enjoy telling me when I raise my concerns about how it's implemented, you are free to stop any time you like.

Doesn't make you feel like you are, though, does it? Fear of missing out is a very strong element of its design.

[Uroah]

Please make it stop.

You were such a champion for the bouts previously, whats wrong.

Too much trouble to run 10 characters through and collect plaudits making you fomo and stress out?

[Velner]

You were such a champion for the bouts previously, whats wrong.

Too much trouble to run 10 characters through and collect plaudits making you fomo and stress out?

You're close, except being able to run the objectives by myself makes them less time consuming, if anything. But, yes these daily objectives are simply too time consuming. I have a Sortie static, Odyssey static, and I run an active Linkshell with events 4 to 5 times per week. I play this game entirely too many hours per day and even I can't find the time for this! And as a side note, fishing up rusty items and playing the game at L30 is just deeply unfun.

[radar]

They are good for people who don't do all the other things you do.

[Rinuko]

No offence, Velner but this might be a you problem, lol.

I'm in a few statics and do event several times a week and I embrace this. It made the server I'm on much more alive than just some drama yells and ambuscade.

[Zenion]

I have to agree that it's been livelier since Vana'bout started. Not sure how many of the people I see running around are actual players and how many are storage/trove mules getting trotted out for abyssea trophies (guilty, Vana'bout is a million times better than Chloris), but the overall "ghost town" feel is being shaken a bit.

I still think there are things that could be better, and I really don't like there being time-consuming Ambuscade goals every single day since that's causing the event to be noticeably congested, but we don't need to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

[Velner]

I notice none of you have defended it as actually fun lol. To each their own. At least Odyssey was added to it today.

[Zenion]

Of course it's not fun. If you want fun, go play Super Mario or something. FFXI is a game for grown-ups, it's supposed to be a second job that you pay for the privilege of doing.

Though that said, I mean... I dunno, I think I'd enjoy it if it weren't so time crunched. It actually is kind of fun checking out the prestige fights that nobody would do otherwise, and some of the objectives take you to places you'd never go normally. A version of Vana'bout where you could skip any objective and each one was replaced immediately if you had an uncleared objective in that pool would be great, go out and do something outside the ordinary everyday grind.

Setting objective tiers, making everything daily, doubly punishing failure to clear daily tasks, that all just creates this pressure that takes the fun out of it, and it turns it from "do your best" to "reach the target and stop." Last time, I went all-out trying to hit a top score, until I failed an objective; this time, it's get 1300 and call it done. That this seems to be a common sentiment doesn't speak well for event engagement.

[Proserphina]

I really don't appreciate SE making a daily task that is capped and makes you wait 5 days to get a new KI if you fail. Super unfair to peoples points.

[Vonima2]

You can get KI for the other zones if you happen to fail one. 1 KI per-promy zone.

I recommend going to the 30 caps as PUP with valoredge frame, does not matter if you are not geared, just need an animator. Overdrive (1hr) and do fire, fire, light. Eat grape daifuku. 1 PUP can solo, 2 is unstoppable. If you’re still nervous you can also quickly farm an anima item for the fight.

[BobbinT]

Of course it's not fun. If you want fun, go play Super Mario or something. FFXI is a game for grown-ups, it's supposed to be a second job that you pay for the privilege of doing.


Game(s) is a part definition of fun, kinda defeat the purpose if it doesn't. Also, when does FF in general being marketed as adult games? afaik, this particular game alone wasn't (https://www.esrb.org/ratings/8854/final-fantasy-xi/).


Regardless, unless this Vana'bout has something critical ties to it, which personally heavily doubt, one can just ignore & do other stuff. Just like how FF14's PVP content were not for everyone's cup of teas, most ends up didn't mind if missing major league rewards & only rewards those who does invest on it.

[Rinuko]

I notice none of you have defended it as actually fun lol. To each their own. At least Odyssey was added to it today.

Fun is very subjective. I've enjoyed *some* objectives, while others are just anooooooying.
We're all 11 players, probably veterans, our fun is our pain.

[Dihlyte]

I'm going to have to jump on this Vana'bout train.

The rewards just aren't balanced in terms of invested time required for them.

The **only** situation where Vana'bout is worthwhile is if you need deeds "right now."

Great for newer players, but honestly any other option just isn't worth the effort.

Maybe if you just really dislike Abyssea, you could have fun doing this, but that really is the full limit to these rewards.

Only way I'll do it again in the future (intentionally) is if they add a full REMA step option, such as Catseye as a reward.

Otherwise, this content is not worthwhile to me at all since I do not need deeds.

I love the objectives and they are super fun, but outside of that, its a total waste of time.

[Zenion]

You know what would make it feel more worthwhile overall? If the current reward tiers remained, but there was also an option to spend plaudits on things like discontinued cosmetic content. I decided 750 plaudits was enough this season, but I'd definitely want to push for 2000 if I could get the Pictlogica paintings and moogle mount for 500 plaudits apiece.

[Rinuko]

I'm going to have to jump on this Vana'bout train.

The rewards just aren't balanced in terms of invested time required for them.

The **only** situation where Vana'bout is worthwhile is if you need deeds "right now."

Great for newer players, but honestly any other option just isn't worth the effort.

Maybe if you just really dislike Abyssea, you could have fun doing this, but that really is the full limit to these rewards.

Only way I'll do it again in the future (intentionally) is if they add a full REMA step option, such as Catseye as a reward.

Otherwise, this content is not worthwhile to me at all since I do not need deeds.

I love the objectives and they are super fun, but outside of that, its a total waste of time.

Getting a catseye would be wild, but not against to that type of reward.

[Fawkes]

https://i.imgur.com/mhA0IWm.jpg

I think I eventually finished this by casting Thunder?


https://i.imgur.com/QrNa595.jpg

Yesterday I had heal 300+ twice and today it was still there and yellow like it was unclaimed?

[Dragoy]

I think I eventually finished this by casting Thunder?

Indeed, the text is wrong for a few of those (I think they already were last Vana'bout...).

See also:

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/62168


Yesterday I had heal 300+ twice and today it was still there and yellow like it was unclaimed?

That one I haven't seen before yet... would be a good idea to file a bug report of it!

[Velner]

Rejoice!! It's OVER

[Zenion]

Rejoice!! It's OVER

Pfft, for you maybe; for most players it was over like a week ago. Why try to over-achieve when one missed goal means you're not eligible for the title anyway?

[Velner]

Pfft, for you maybe; for most players it was over like a week ago. Why try to over-achieve when one missed goal means you're not eligible for the title anyway?

Why worry about what I'm doing? I may not love Vana'bout but I LOVE XI! And I did "overachieve" for the title. Even though I hated most of it.

[Uroah]

And that's exactly why they don't listen to feedback. You didn't like but you did it anyway.

Continue to be part of the problem.

[Velner]

And that's exactly why they don't listen to feedback. You didn't like but you did it anyway.

Continue to be part of the problem.

I'm doing my part!

[Dragoy]

While I did have some fun out of it, gotta admit it was a bit stressful even with the free time I had for it.

Ended up on the 11th place this time around, but perhaps next time will be different. Hopefully they will tweak the objectives more for that one, and perhaps have less erroneous information with them as well!

Also thank you Velner for the fun and help in the end! Too bad time ran past us just a bit...