Items for playing X amount of hours or paying for X years

[VoiceMemo]

I'd like to suggest SE allowing those of us who have played X amount of hours, or paid for X amount of years that they get some kindof special reward for their years of subscription.

IE I've played since zilhart release, over 15 years continuously, I keep trying for rank 1 lotto for judgement day painting yet have never been able to win it, in 30 mog lottos.

Came close again this year, had 584, instead of 594, 1 digit off. It would be nice to be awarded a choice of item for X amount of years or time playing/paying for the game

[Alhanelem]

This isn't wow, we aren't all getting a statue for never letting our sub lapse

[Gwydion]

This isn't wow, we aren't all getting a statue for never letting our sub lapse

Hold your horses. I support this idea. SE does very little to recognize non-JP players. (Remember the Large T-shirt giveaway last year?). It would be nice if SE created a customer-incentive that everyone had a fair chance at obtaining. A small gesture to say: "Thanks for being a loyal fan!" would go a LONG way, given that the game is in maintenance mode for the foreseeable future.

Director Fujito said that 2024 is supposed to be a comfortable year for us, so what exactly does that mean? Some ideas include:
Making Rainbow or Gold mog pells available for 3000 login points. Lowering the Judgement Day painting to Rank 2 or Rank 3 Putting making REMA weapons available in the bonanza again. The value of items in Rank 2 is extremely confusing: (300 beitetsu? lol). Give us $10 or $20 to use at the Square-Enix store for a year's worth of FFXI subscriptions

It's really not difficult to be creative in this regard. I just think many (game) companies are struggling and only have developer resources for the most profitable areas. It's kind of disheartening.

[Alhanelem]

Hold your horses. I support this idea. SE does very little to recognize non-JP players.Nothing here said anything about non-JP players specifically:

"Items for playing X amount of hours or paying for X years"

This is basically a prize for spending the most money and I'm vehemently opposed to that idea. If you want to show off how much money you dumped into something, there are a million mobile games out there that are designed to let you do just that. It may not be your intention but it really comes across as supporting an idea just because I don't like it. There is nothing good about this.

[VoiceMemo]

My suggestion is not like a gatcha game where you can spend more and more money for what you want. It is to reward long time support/continued playing the game. Literally the only thing left that I really want in the game is Judgement day, and to get this I have to rely on luck to win rank 1? The painting literally does NOTHING to benefit my account, other than being the rarest furniture in the game. It has no special effects that boost, Moghancement: Lightning occurs on other furniture.

[Alhanelem]

My suggestion is not like a gatcha game where you can spend more and more money for what you want.That's not the point nor what I said. I'm not talking about buying items. I'm talking about your suggestion: Getting some kind of reward for subscribing forever. That literally equates to being rewarded for having spent X money.


FFXIV initially did this, and kept adding veteran rewards based on subscription days. But later, they eliminated most of this, and the rewards that remain are all earned very quickly. It still shows your total days subscribed but new rewards are no longer added and the removed items were added elsewhere in the game.



The painting literally does NOTHING to benefit my account,Taking an exclusive reward and adding new ways to obtain it devalues that reward for people who obtained it the way it was originally supposed to be. If you can get it some other way that makes it not special (or not as special) anymore. FFXIV made this mistake when a 1.0 item earned during its story prior to A Realm Reborn was specifically told to only be earnable until 2.0 came out. But a few years later they made the exact same item available again via a seasonal event (which, to be a bit fair, hasn't recurred since). At least the original ranked PvP rewards (except the ones granted by achievements) have not been made obtainable in other ways. People worked for them on the promise they were exclusive rewards and it would violate the trust of the playerbase to change that.

There is no rule that says everyone must be able to get every item. There is no purpose to collecting every item in existence. You said it best yourself, the item has no purpose (or, a redundant purpose), the only value it has outside of its exclusivity is "i like how it looks." It is not a gameplay altering item.

[Gwydion]

Nothing here said anything about non-JP players specifically:

"Items for playing X amount of hours or paying for X years"

This is basically a prize for spending the most money and I'm vehemently opposed to that idea.

You're being myopic. If SE implemented Voicememo's suggestion, it would be a form of customer appreciation and engagement that is equal for all FFXI players around the world. That's not a cash shop, either. Think of this request as an actually worthwhile, or new and improved: "Adventurer Appreciation campaign"

[Alhanelem]

You're being myopic. If SE implemented Voicememo's suggestion, it would be a form of customer appreciation and engagement that is equal for all FFXI players around the world. That's not a cash shop, either. Think of this request as an actually worthwhile, or new and improved: "Adventurer Appreciation campaign"

A form of customer appriciation would be to give something to everybody, not based on subscription time. And that's what they do every month with the new items in the login campaigns.

This thread is "I've spent thousands on sub fees over the last 20 years, gimme a trinket now so I can let everyone know i did that!"

If it had nothing to do with time spent subscribed, then yes, it would be an Adventurer Appriciation Campaign.

[VoiceMemo]

Taking an exclusive reward and adding new ways to obtain it devalues that reward for people who obtained it the way it was originally supposed to be. If you can get it some other way that makes it not special (or not as special) anymore.

If it was some kind of skill or persistence of doing a fight over and over I would agree that it would not make this special anymore. BUT in this case it's all about LUCK. So are you saying just because people were lucky, that they chose the right digits in order, that makes them special?

So I guess in real life you are also against real life raises for you working for the same company for X amount of years. That when you join a company that is your pay for life. That there is no celebrations for reaching X amount of years.

This is why SE did primes this way, it's something you work towards over time, the amount of time will vary between people, but you'll get it done eventually if you strive for it. Or you can not do it at all, as there is no content where a prime is required, ie that can ONLY be won with primes.

[Alhanelem]

BUT in this case it's all about LUCK.I don't think the method is relevant. It carries with it a form of exclusivity. Getting a Dring or any other rare item in this game is all about luck. Many people want these things purely because of their rarity.

"So are you saying just because people were lucky, that they chose the right digits in order, that makes them special?"
The "special" thing is the rarity. That's all. It's not the act or anything else. I'm not sure if you would be asking for this item if it was easily obtainable.

[VoiceMemo]

If the item was easily obtainable I would have had it already. Those that have seen my mog house know that I'm a collector of furniture and I have near every rare furniture in the game already. IF SE allowed us to buy as many marbles as we like then yes that would be fine too. Since it would be 1k marbles and the painting is sendable on same account, I'd drop the 200m in a heartbeat. Since Gil is no longer offered from the mog lotto, the lotto is a form of DEFLATION, SE's way to take gil out of the economy.

[Alhanelem]

If the item was easily obtainable I would have had it already.My point is, you want it because you can't have it. It's not even that remarkable otherwise.

And thus this is your true motivation for the suggestion. You just want this thing. It doesn't really have anything to do with rewarding players for subscribing or customer appreciation or anything like that.

[VoiceMemo]

Of course I would suggest something that I want, but I'm sure others are in the same boat. That don't want to rely on luck.

I still would like some reward for my years of playing. Same like if I worked for a company for 30 years I'd want the gold watch upon retirement.

[Alhanelem]

I still would like some reward for my years of playing.Your reward for your years of playing is you get to keep playing because the game is still here. If that's not enough... well maybe you should cancel then.

[VoiceMemo]

Agree to disagree, you can keep being negative, I'll keep suggesting stuff to try to make the game better.

[Catmato]

Almost every month you get something unique for being subscribed with login points.

[Dzspdref]

My point is, you want it because you can't have it. It's not even that remarkable otherwise.

And thus this is your true motivation for the suggestion. You just want this thing. It doesn't really have anything to do with rewarding players for subscribing or customer appreciation or anything like that.

For once, can you NOT be so decisive on what other people think about in the game or how THEY feel about obtaining rare, unique items? Do you know how they feel? No, you don't know.
Do you now how cute they think they are, no matter what "usage" in game they are? No, you don't.
Just because it is cosmetic or pretty, and it isn't something wanted or needed by 99.9% of other players, stop acting as if the other 0.1% don't matter.
We already have enough "Negative Nancy"'s in these forums, plus enough spammers and "deflaters of hope." Stop acting/replying as if you know everything that's going to go through the developers minds; you don't know.
His original post was a suggestion; that's all, a hope, dream, suggestion, idea.
Your reply of the tone "Nope, not gonna happen, not in here, no way, don't hope for it... blah blah" is just too condemning to someone asking a question.
So, PLEASE stop being so "Well i've been responding the most than anyone here so my opinion matters more than yours does." ... well it doesn't.
You don't have direct access to the developers, do you? No.
You don't know what plans they have, or don't have for the game, do you? No.
You don't know how many other people have been thinking along same lines, but too timid to ask, do you? No.
Stop assuming the forums do not get read by SE, you don't know if they do, so stop acting as if you're the final response for them, you're not.
This is a game, everyone can ask and hope, dream, aspire, wish for things, and will never know if they don't ask.
Then you come along and dash those down saying "Nope, not gonna happen, wrong game, stop comparing."
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Original poster (VMemo) has been a strong member of our Asura community as long as i can remember (I began just before him in game, but his LS leadership back in original Dynamis runs made me learn so much more of the game. Let him hope, dream, and find out for himself.
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You seem to have an opinion, reply, and comment on nearly EVERY post in these forums. So for once.... stop typing and let others ask and hope.
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Sorry for the rant, but your comments just got to me on this one. I am not one to be combative, unhelpful, nor abrupt; but on this one, I am.
We've all got enough to deal with on here from that U---h/Ur--h person (me more than others as she's also in my server), that when I see stuff like this that was completely one-sidedly biased and dream/hope killing, had to type something.
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And if you reply to this, my point is proven. You had no need to place your opinion against his hopes or dreams. You have no idea what seed he may have planted in Matsui's mind.
And I know it's possible because I placed a seed once, and it came true, but everyone else told me it would never happen.... though it took 3+ years.
(And no, it was NOT in these forums, but a direct email to someone I knew from my connections in my IRL sport I participate in that worked for SE at the time who delivered it to the FFXI team on my behalf, and they decided to try it, and they did it.)
So again, don't reply, we don't need it, and bluntly, stop crushing other forum posters' dreams, hopes, wishes, and seed-planting.

[Alhanelem]

Agree to disagree, you can keep being negative, I'll keep suggesting stuff to try to make the game better.

Your suggestion doesn't make this game better in any way, except possibly for you. I'm sorry, it just doesn't.


Almost every month you get something unique for being subscribed with login points.

This. 1000 likes for you if I could give it.

This thread is just someone wanting something they can't have. It has absolutely nothing to do with making the game better.



You seem to have an opinion, reply, and comment on nearly EVERY post in these forums. So for once.... stop typing and let others ask and hope.1)This is a discussion forum. That's what it's there for. If I want to comment on threads that's my privilege, as well as that of anyone else that isn't banned from here. But apparently posting a lot is the greater crime.
2) My replying to a thread or post does not prevent anyone else from doing so- I am not preventing anyone from asking anything or "hoping." I can disagree with you all day long but at the end of the day your thread is still there and you can still hope all you want. Disagreeing with you does not prevent that.
3) If you actually posted an idea that actually makes the game better in some way like you're saying, I'd be entirely behind it, flooding you with likes. This is simply a completely unnecessary idea and objectively bad for anyone who was lucky enough to win a prize in a mog lottery. It is literally you wanting an item you can't have and nothing more.
4) "We don't need it" - You are not "we." Your posts and opinions are your own and do not represent anyone else's. Same goes for me and everyone else. Do not represent anyone else with your words.


I'm sorry the mere act of me participating on a forum offends you, but, I can't do anything about that. I haven't done anything wrong. Like I said- If you've got an idea that actually contributes something to the game and not what is an objectively selfish desire, I would be entirely with you on it. There are millions of suggestions you could make that would actually improve the game. This isn't one of them, I'm truly sorry to say so but it just isn't.

As someone who cares about the game just as much as you say you do, and given the extremely limited dev time SE is willing to commit to the game, it is in everyone's best interest that we find the best ideas and suggestions we can. You know, there are lots of things that I want in the game that I don't post about (I know, how is that possible, this guy has 10000 posts?). But I don't post them because I know they aren't going to be popular ideas and ultimately, the dev's time would be better spent on other things that would be objectively better for everyone.

Had I known over a decade ago that people would be hating on me just for having a post count, I might not have even made an account. Frankly this is disgusting and stupid- There is nothing wrong with someone having a lot to say about stuff and y'know, actually enjoying the act of discussing a game you love and care about.

Bottom line. If you think SE should do something to appreciate their customers: suggest something they can do for ALL of their customers. Not just people with X time subscribed or people who want a particular vanity item.

As Catmato said, we get new limited time items every month that we have to be actively playing the game to get. My question to you is how is this not a way of rewarding people for staying subscribed? What you want is already in the game.

[VoiceMemo]

Well as you said it is your right to disagree, but it is also my right to post. I'll just make it simple and just put you on block list.

[Alhanelem]

Well as you said it is your right to disagree, but it is also my right to post. I'll just make it simple and just put you on block list.Please do.

This is a discussion forum. It's not a suggestion box, nor is it an echo chamber. If you want to make suggestions to SE but you don't want to hear any other viewpoints, then use their email contact form, as they accept suggestions through that.

By posting on this forum you invite everyone on it to participate in the discussion. If you don't want to listen to any view but your own, then you should definitely consider not participating.

I don't start that many of my own threads, but when I do, I invite people to say whatever they feel the need to say. I wouldn't be posting on a forum for discussion and expecting no discussion to take place.

[Gwydion]

Almost every month you get something unique for being subscribed with login points.

While this is true, there has been multiple changes to login points over the years. The first 25-50 campaigns were good. I guess SE deemed them to be too beneficial, because login points has become much less appealing (fewer items, less variety) than in recent years. This is qualitative and quantitative fact. No questions.

So...the incentive for logging in on daily basis, appears to be diminishing.

[Alhanelem]

Subjective. I don't find the latest items to be particularly better or worse.

As always, opinions are not facts. Quality is in the eye of the beholder as much as anything else.

The latest item may be the first exception in my opinion- While I want more music sheets (preferably obtainable through normal game methods), it's not really tangible like other login point items have been, and thus it isn't really something you can show off in a collection or anything, like the furnishings or vanity gear.

[Alhanelem]

So I've given this some more thought.

The main issue this topic raises in my head is that of taking away the specialness of something someone won as a prize in the mog lottery. Yes, it was luck, but it feels good to be lucky. I think that's an important consideration; however, I do understand how it feels to want something you can't get and blaming it on selfishness was going too far.

The problem here is that they changed the Mog Bonanza to its current state to make it a gil sink. In order for it to accomplish this goal, it needs to have enticing prizes on offer. Offering these prizes elsewhere by other means would mean they would need to offer something else, otherwise people wouldn't be interested in torching their gil for the chance at winning something.

So lets say SE granted your wish and made this item available somewhere else (Exactly how isn't really important). What should they offer as a top prize in the lottery instead? Or do you think they should get rid of it entirely?
I still think that the best option here is for them to up their reward game with the login campaign items- As the key point of this campaign is to reward people for continuing to play. However, if you have answers to these questions, I could be convinced that there are other options.

While its probably too late and I don't expect a response, I realize now that I was being pretty unfair.

[Gwydion]

So I've given this some more thought.

The main issue this topic raises in my head is that of taking away the specialness of something someone won as a prize in the mog lottery. Yes, it was luck, but it feels good to be lucky. I think that's an important consideration; however, I do understand how it feels to want something you can't get and blaming it on selfishness was going too far.

The problem here is that they changed the Mog Bonanza to its current state to make it a gil sink. In order for it to accomplish this goal, it needs to have enticing prizes on offer. Offering these prizes elsewhere by other means would mean they would need to offer something else, otherwise people wouldn't be interested in torching their gil for the chance at winning something.

So lets say SE granted your wish and made this item available somewhere else (Exactly how isn't really important). What should they offer as a top prize in the lottery instead? Or do you think they should get rid of it entirely?
I still think that the best option here is for them to up their reward game with the login campaign items- As the key point of this campaign is to reward people for continuing to play. However, if you have answers to these questions, I could be convinced that there are other options.

While its probably too late and I don't expect a response, I realize now that I was being pretty unfair.

I appreciate your ability to be introspective and reflect on your posts. I was thinking about the "special-ness" of some rewards. What if Cornelia's Trust was available at 2000 deeds?

I think that would be an amazing incentive and reward for people who who accumulated 4 years worth of Deeds of Heroism. This also aligns itself with Voicememo's request to an extent.

[Alhanelem]

What if Cornelia's Trust was available at 2000 deeds?
Though I'm not really sure it ties in directly, I don't really like these limited time trusts and would definitely approve of them being made available permanently in some way or another. Deeds aren't a bad idea as there is already a trust available that way.