So, uh, what did I miss these last 11 years?

[JTF]

Hello everyone!

I logged out for what I assumed was the last time in 2012, yet here I am again 11 years later. My main characters were JTF and Badhairday on Asura.

Still trying to remember how to do simple things like run and fight.

The graphics might be a bit dated but the music is still amazing. A lot of nostalgia every time I go into a different zone.

I have been playing FFXIV. It's okay, but it's not really much of a challenge.

Kind of sad coming back to linkshells that had their last message years ago.

So, what are the biggest changes in the last decade? Last I played, Abyssea parties were the hottest place to get EXP and everyone was talking about how to beat PW.

Cheers.

[Pixela]

They changed almost everything.

They added Item level gear, which effectively levels you to 119 (and gear slots to level pets and avatars to 119)

They added trusts (the thing you see in 14 was from 11) so you can level and do some endgame alone (if you want)

They added callable mounts, you need to do a new quest to activate them and you can collect lots of mounts.

Fast warps, from books and crystals.

1 new expansions, Adoulin. 1 new mini expansion, rhapsodies. 1 new story expansion, voracious resurgence.

New areas, new monsters, new gear, new abiliities, new spells.

All new endgame.

You can equip 2 linkshells, new chat mode for returnees and new players.

Unity factions.

Job points (merits mk2 kind of)

Master level (ghetto level increase above 99)

2nd floor mog houses, mog gardens, mog patio.

Glamour system.

Gear sets for macros.

etc

[Alhanelem]

I have been playing FFXIV. It's okay, but it's not really much of a challenge.How many ultimates have you cleared?

FFXI isn't really that much of a challenge either. They both have challenge they just approach it differently.


Anyway...

No one grinds Abyssea for EXP anymore, as leveling is drastically faster than it used to be. However, once3 you reach 99 you need to farm tons of Job Points and then you gain master levels, so there's still no shortage of grinding. You just won't be doing it in the places you remember.

You can teleport between home points, so no one does tele taxis anymore. Home points were added all over the world, especially near boss fight areas.

Gear sets make changing gear for abilties easier, and you can also use them to change your look like glamour in FFXI, by using the /lockstyle command to freeze your appearance. You can designate a gear set as a lockstyle set and it is basically like an XIV glamour plate.

[Tarmarkvar]

Off the top of my head.

Seekers of Adoulin came out in early 2013, which introduced a whole bunch of zones on the western continent of Ulbuka.

Rhapsodies of Vanadiel came out in 2016. It isn't an expansion, it's just a bunch of missions.

A Voracious Resurgence came out in 2020 and just finished last week. It's more missions.

The level cap is still 99, but now there's a thing called item level which makes you stronger than a level 99, even though that is your character level.

Job points were added as an additional form of progression after level 99 sometime in 2014. You need 2100 of them to max out a job.

Master levels were added last year. You need to max out job points on a job to start adding on Master levels. The cap is 50, and for every 5 Master levels, the cap on your subjob increases by 1. Master levels are kind of fun until about level 30, then the TNLs are so massive it makes the pre-Abyssea XP grind look like nothing.

[BobbinT]

Think Rhapsodies count as expansion by game quest logs & records of eminence, TVR strangely categorized as add-ons albeit having way longer quests than older ones.

Also adding things to complement on posts above:

Adoulin also introduces Mog Island & Monster rearing, it'll be a requirement max-ranking them to get one of final secret trust.

There's also Monstrosity where u play as monsters & level it up, used to be very interesting, unfortunately it dies.

Post Adoulin starts introducing high-tier version of old boss battles - High-Tier Mission Battlefield (HTMB), of course with their version of i119 gear rewards.

Rhapsodies introduces new relics called Aeonics, while the recent TVR introduces Prime Weapons. Old REMA also got ilvl upgrades through new battle contents.

New battle contents relates to relic upgrades are Omen, Dynamis Divergence (basically ilvl version of old Dynamis), Vagary, & Sortie.

There's also other battle contents not really related to relic upgrades, but also great way for gearing up: Ambuscade (which changes monthly) that's great for gearing on beginners/returnees, & Odyssey for much advance gearing & comparable or sometimes slightly better than relics.

Records of Eminence (RoE) I mentioned above, introduced as great way for beginners for leveling/gearing/skilling, as well as advance selections which has uses for relics as well. They're sorta FF14's achievement menu, but unlike FF14 where it only rewards cosmetic values, FF11 reward exp & currencies which also can be used to make money as well albeit this has been gated per weekly quota due to RMT abusing it.

To complement grinding for job points, & master levels later on, series of regular mobs called Apex mobs introduced starting from Adoulin zones & even all the way to starter areas as of recent updates like Crawler Nests or King Ranperre's tomb for examples (ofc far from reaches of new players for safety).

& speaking of leveling, since Rhapsodies introduces their own areas called Eschas (there's 3 of em) they're now serves currently as places for xp grinds & even power leveling, due to now having to grind job points & master level became a much more need to tackle current battle challenges. This place also important for Aeonic relic grinds as well, not mentioned above due to Eschas being open world areas instead of time-limited entries like former mentioned.

Personally haven't rly touched this, but crafting also maxed beyond 100 levels, & sometimes important since can make superior crafter armouries, they will have marks from Su1 to Su5 & can only be worn when reaching certain stage of job point grinds, with Su5 being the caps. While some Su gears probably won't be that great, certain of them are high-sought easily on million gil prices.

Lastly, to incentive beginners as well as returnees, game also introduces another lottery-kind content called AMAN troves which could randomly reward either crap or awesome stuff even found from HTMBs (ofc much rarer). And there's also monthly campaigns & login point campaigns which further helps by boosting speed-rate on xp/currencies & such.

[Pixela]

Rhapsodies of Vanadiel came out in 2016. It isn't an expansion, it's just a bunch of missions.

It added new zones, new expansive endgame, lots of new gear, new monsters....how can you say it's not an expansion?

Rhapsodies was actually really impressive, and it was free. Rhapsodies is probably the reason most of us are still playing because it added so much good content.


FFXI isn't really that much of a challenge either. They both have challenge they just approach it differently.

I don't know how you can say this, especially compared to XIV.

XI is more complicated of a game for a start, with the need for gears changes and unknown mechanics.
Monsters get stronger as hp drops.
Content is more complicated.
You need to put a lot of progression to even enter fights on XI without getting destroyed.
Fights on XI are much more random and designed with punishments.
All jobs are harder to play well on XI, especially tank and healer.
There is actual party mechanics on XI, the healer heals, the tank tanks and there are support jobs.

XIV is designed to be far more simple to appeal to a far wider audience and it's easier to clear things, and they make it easier with every patch.

Wasn't the "hardest" raid recently killed on XIV with no healer at all? XIV is mainly just memorizing a what a mob does at percentages.

I could argue that XI is too hard but then that is its unique niche that has allowed it to live so long, so it's difficult to complain about it too much.

The casual and easy nature of XIV is why it's popular, the difficulty of XI is why it's not so.

[Sp1cyryan]

Can you stop constantly going on about FF14 in every random thread, Pixela?

[Immortal]

Your best buddy is the one that brought it up in the first place, you are so bad at this

[Sp1cyryan]

Your best buddy is the one that brought it up in the first place, you are so bad at this

Just how bothered are you? I've never seen such a constant and desperate attempt to clap back.

[JTF]

Thanks for all the updates. I'll probably just unlock the two new jobs first, (well new for me) and see if I like them.

[Alhanelem]

Thanks for all the updates. I'll probably just unlock the two new jobs first, (well new for me) and see if I like them.
Both definitely have their place and are worth your time. GEO almost requires its super weapon for how good it is so that's something to keep in mind,

[Alhanelem]

Your best buddy is the one that brought it up in the first place, you are so bad at this
We're not best buddies. And it was the OP that brought it up, not me.

I really don't understand why we need to keep injecting this feud into every thread. You can't tell me this triggering isn't deliberate.

[Sp1cyryan]

We're not best buddies. And it was the OP that brought it up, not me.

I really don't understand why we need to keep injecting this feud into every thread. You can't tell me this triggering isn't deliberate.

It's just what they do, and can't seem to let go. It's why the criticism falls so flat. Just like the analysis that starts it.

[Tarmarkvar]

We're not best buddies. And it was the OP that brought it up, not me.

I really don't understand why we need to keep injecting this feud into every thread. You can't tell me this triggering isn't deliberate.

It's a weird thing to say because I kind of remember you and Spicyryan have kind of an adversarial relationship at times.

[Pixela]

Can you stop constantly going on about FF14 in every random thread, Pixela?

https://i.imgur.com/zIIEcPB.jpg

[Sp1cyryan]

It's a weird thing to say because I kind of remember you and Spicyryan have kind of an adversarial relationship at times.

There is nothing really weird about it. If anything, it simply stands out compared to most any exchange on an XI board I have witnessed. Due to how atypical and unwavering it is at this point. It adds context to a long established history of it. Where as before I simply thought they were giving the typical negative Nancy their comeuppance. Instead it comes off as a burning desire to lash out without regard of the truth beyond ones own emotion.

At times it is almost like being unkind to a bird such as a crow. Where it has the event imprinted and relentlessly pursues the individual. I wouldn't know, obviously, but I imagine that it would suggest disorder and impulsion more so than a conscious defense mechanism.

Which would all be neither here nor there if it wasn't so regularly disruptive. Every thread like a Happy Gilmore golf course where they are the repetitive heckler. It's well beyond the ordinary jawing or feuding that occurs online.

[Beastorizer]

I have been playing FFXIV. It's okay, but it's not really much of a challenge.

I played XIV as-well, which is why I am here now........

I rock with XIV from time to time, but XIV, I & 15 are the 3 FF games I can't really get into. I play them because they are FF games, & I want to complete the story.

There is no depth to the combat or raids. It is like Dynasty Warriors.

"Wanna test your true skill? Turn up the difficulty up!!!!!!!"

"Harder" version of a mindless button mashing fest.

Heres to 17 (Or the next MMO) being more like a FF game, less like WoW.

Anyway, welcome back^^

[Alhanelem]

Heres to 17 (Or the next MMO) being more like a FF game, less like WoW.

Anyway, welcome back^^
Every FF game is different, Turn based and ATB aren't really a thing anymore. People like action so today's FF games are all real time. If they do make another FF MMO, and I'm not sure they will, it's not going to be less like WoW.

Most humans are impatient creatures, and MMOs n eed to pull as many players as they can to justify their existence, so an MMO with a slow, relaxed combat pace with lots of random factors that demand changing tactics each time just really isn't going to happen in this era.

[Pixela]

I think how 16 does will impact the kind of funding 11 and 14 gets next year and onward.

To be clear, I think it will do poorly and they will fall back into putting more money into proven successful games out of panic at the shocking revelation they aren't good at this stuff anymore.

[Alhanelem]

To be clear, I think it will do poorly and they will fall back into putting more money into proven successful games out of panic at the shocking revelation they aren't good at this stuff anymore. That's incredibly presumptuous and really speaks to your heavy bias against anything you see as taking away from FFXI. It is a modern game for a modern era and is being made to reflect the state of the gaming industry as it is now.

You're not wrong that the future of all of the CB3 subsidiary's projects depend on the division's continued success, but the fact that you're just assuming it will flop without even anything to base it on speaks volumes.

[Beastorizer]

I think how 16 does will impact the kind of funding 11 and 14 gets next year and onward.

Good point

To be clear, I think it will do poorly and they will fall back into putting more money into proven successful games out of panic at the shocking revelation they aren't good at this stuff anymore.

Kind of like SEGA, they wanted to make Sonic more modern. as a Sonic fan, it has not gone too well for them.......

-2D
-Go fast

Simple formula that worked.

Not sure what numbers 16 will do. Don't care, does not look interesting lol.

[Alhanelem]

Kind of like SEGA, they wanted to make Sonic more modern. as a Sonic fan, it has not gone too well for them.......

-2D
-Go fast

Simple formula that worked.

Not sure what numbers 16 will do. Don't care, does not look interesting lol.
Of course it doesn't look interesting, you're too old. :p

Ultimately, it and most games today are not being designed to appeal to people from the 80s and 90s era of gaming.

Just because you're not the target audience doesn't mean it will fail.

[Pixela]

I do have a bias against anything I see as hurting 11, I don't like that CB3 made it because I know how they operate and I know it's hurting 11 and 14 due to their all hands on deck approach to business. Also if it does well it will hurt both games, because they will be tasked then with making more single player games and that will mean less money and updates for the mmorpgs.

That aside

I still think the game looks bad, and I liked DM5 and Nier Automata.

The problem I think they have is that they are alienating the JP fanbase by pandering to the western audience, and in doing so also alienating the kind of people who normally buy FF games in the west too. They have said they hate the "JRPG" genre and just want it to be seen as an rpg.

The art design is poor, it's too flashy and too obnoxious to look at.

They are dumbing the game down with rings (see below lol), which does not match with making it action combat in the first place. And which imo is an acceptance people don't like action combat in a FF game.

Zoomers don't want to play this kind of game in the first place, and the story is not going to appeal to them at all because it's boring.

I think the action combat is a bad match for FF, especially with the kind of story they are telling, you're hyping them up with the combat and then slowing them down with this boring ass story and music. They are clashing two kinds of experience.

I think the story looks bad, I think the characters are unappealing, I've seen no heart in anything (no romance) and other than summons it's barely FF at all.

Also the music does not hype people up, it's bland.


These accessories take the form of five different rings that bestow combat-easing effects, and can be used to both reduce the game’s difficulty as well as make its combat more accessible. The five rings are:

The Ring of Timely Focus, which temporarily slows time before enemy attacks connect, providing more time to react and dodge.
The Ring of Timely Assistance, which automatically issues commands to your pet dog, Torgal.
The Ring of Timely Strikes, which executes combo attacks with just one press of the attack button.
The Ring of Timely Evasion, which auto-dodges most attacks.
The Ring of Timely Healing, which automatically uses potions to keep your health topped up.

“We wanted this game to be kind of a gateway for players that aren't good at action games to get into the genre and showing them that action games can be fun and you can be good at it and it can feel good,” explained Suzuki. might as well be a play itself game

[Immortal]

There is nothing really weird about it. If anything, it simply stands out compared to most any exchange on an XI board I have witnessed. Due to how atypical and unwavering it is at this point. It adds context to a long established history of it. Where as before I simply thought they were giving the typical negative Nancy their comeuppance. Instead it comes off as a burning desire to lash out without regard of the truth beyond ones own emotion.

At times it is almost like being unkind to a bird such as a crow. Where it has the event imprinted and relentlessly pursues the individual. I wouldn't know, obviously, but I imagine that it would suggest disorder and impulsion more so than a conscious defense mechanism.

Which would all be neither here nor there if it wasn't so regularly disruptive. Every thread like a Happy Gilmore golf course where they are the repetitive heckler. It's well beyond the ordinary jawing or feuding that occurs online.

This guy really thinks hes the architect from the Matrix, you can't make this up.

[Immortal]

Just how bothered are you? I've never seen such a constant and desperate attempt to clap back.

Not bothered at all, I just saw you say something to Pixela about XIV (which you do seem bothered by any of his or my posts) and in reality it was Alhanelem that brought it up and decided to discuss it.

[Pixela]

When I read that I had a meme of Joe Rogan talking about DMT in my head

[Immortal]

We're not best buddies. And it was the OP that brought it up, not me.

I really don't understand why we need to keep injecting this feud into every thread. You can't tell me this triggering isn't deliberate.

They mentioned it, you were the only one that had to go into it and derail like always lol

[Immortal]

Whenever Spicy makes his posts:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fxx7g5nz4WQ

[JTF]

So what are some good ways to earn gil now? Still high level crafting?

I had a light staff returned to me from 2012 that didn't sell, (for about 9k). Now I see they go for about 100k. What's inflation been like?

[Pixela]

Records of eminence, farm sparks and buy acheron shields from 70+ area. Npc them for 30k each, I think it caps at 1-2 million per week.

You can farm sparks the best during gain xp times, check when they are active in the RoE wiki page.

Aside from that you can farm dynamis, salvage and many other things so level thief/dnc

[Alhanelem]

They mentioned it, you were the only one that had to go into it and derail like always lol
No, you derail it by complaining about people posting. You want a normal thread with normal discussion? Then stop name dropping me/us and just say your opinion and leave it at that. If you think you're the better man, then BE the better man and don't stir the pot.

[Alhanelem]

I do have a bias against anything I see as hurting 11, I don't like that CB3 made it because I know how they operate and I know it's hurting 11 and 14You don't know how they operate, you can't glean that from annual budget reports.

FFXVI isn't going to hurt 11. gimme a goddsdanged break. You're writing it off with absolutely no basis other than "it will hurt 11 if it fails and i think it will fail."

You have nothing whatsoever to base your view on other than "I don't like it.' It's circular reasoning.

Eventually, no matter what happens, even if SE takes in a trillion dollars, FFXI will be gone simply because no one is playing it. You need to come to grips with the fact that nothing lasts forever, even your favorite MMO and stop blaming everything else in the universe for that fact. I love FFXI, but it still isn't the holy grail of gaming. It isn't perfect and you need to stop pretending that it is and that every other game out there did or is doing everything wrong.

You just come off as a white knight, and people don't like white knights. I know, because for years I was branded a white knight and I can tell you it's not a badge of honor.

[Immortal]

No, you derail it by complaining about people posting. You want a normal thread with normal discussion? Then stop name dropping me/us and just say your opinion and leave it at that. If you think you're the better man, then BE the better man and don't stir the pot.

Your buddy is the one who stirred the pot first, he called Pixela out for mentioning/discussing XIV when you were the one doing it first.

[Alhanelem]

Your buddy is the one who stirred the pot first, he called Pixela out for mentioning/discussing XIV when you were the one doing it first.
The more finger pointing is done, the worse it looks. It would be better for everyone if you just stopped responding to this line of discussion at the very least until a new thread or discussion.

[Pixela]

I'm defensive about ff11 the way you're defensive about ff14, anyone says anything remotely negative and you're there defending it and have done so numerous times this week alone. So don't come at me with that white knight nonsense cause you're sitting in a million pane glasshouse.

We know how Square operate (or to be more accurate Buisness unit 3) because they have stated it and seen it numerous times, they even said that 11 was starved during the creation of 14 and they had to outsource a lot of the work (yoshiP has said "it's all hands on deck when a new project is being worked on" too). Because they are working on 16 every other product starved. Ff14 has been starved for years (and will continue to be for many more years cause they still need to make the pc version) and so has 11, there is no slack for anything else when they are are working on a new project and this is a massive thing for YoshiP here. If 16 fails it will be a huge dent to his pride, of course he is putting everything in 16 and starving everything else to do it. This is his first test as a producer after everyone has built him up.

If the board of directors allowing BD3 to work on other games (WHEN THEY WERE MADE TO JUST WORK ON and update MMORPGS) is successful they are going to keep doing that, and 11 and 14 will be starved on the regular, how would they not do that again if it works?

To use an example, if you pay someone to look after your garden and he makes your garden look like a million dollars cause it's his entire job. Then you ask him to also look after your car, and when you come out you give him a $20 tip cause the car looks nice. Guess what happens to the garden? It's not gonna be looking so good anymore, cause he has to do more and has less time for the garden and in-fact knows now that you will tip him more if he makes the car look better and won't if the garden is 100%

As for eventually everything ends. Nobody cares about eventually, eventually you and I will be dead. So who cares? The point is to make something last as long as people care about them and a lot of people still care about 11. 11 is more successful than many f2p games, that it has as many players as it does with a sub when it's a ps2 game should tell you how good it is.

[Alhanelem]

I'm defensive about ff11 the way you're defensive about ff14,I don't worship FFXIV, nor FFXI. I respect both games as games and the people who made them put their heart and soul into them in both cases. I only defend either against baseless remarks like yours. I never said you had to like it, but you constantly bash FFXIV (and FFXVI and whatever else) with no real basis. You simply resent their existence and don't have any other rational justification for it. I'm not even that active in FFXIV these days, outside of certain specific contents I still enjoy. There is as much I don't like as I do. But I can judge it fairly, whereas you can not, because your views are tainted by your resentment.

I'm much more willing to listen to arguments rooted in logic than those rooted in the bias you have straight up admitted to.

Again, I remind you: Nothing lasts forever, and FFXI has lasted far longer than most other MMOs that came both before and after it. You should really focus on celebrating how far your favorite game has come rather than bemoaning everything that has come since. Only EverQuest and Ultima Online (that I know of) can claim more longevity unless there's some obscure text based MUD that's still operating today.

[Pixela]

No I don't actually, I didn't even mention 14 in this thread until you did. Anytime anyone says anything about 14 you don't like, you're there like batman.

I've said numerous times I know 14 carries a lot of the costs of 11 now and a lot of new players come from there too and I try to be less negative about it in unfair ways because the games are interlinked. I still think the game is fundamentally awful though as an mmorpg, it's basically second life at this point and you know it is.

I do have a problem with 16 though, because it should of never been allocated to the mmorpg division in the first place and that it was is because the higher ups knew they could offer 11 and 14 players less and we would just put up with it and keep paying and they could potentially make a billion free dollars off a new single player game and all our sub money still too.

Here is the future

If ff16 bombs, 14 will get an expansion announcement within a year. More work will be put into 11 and they will probably bring out lots more 14 cash shop items to offset the massive losses for next financial report. They will know they have to increase revenue in their other operations hard and fast.

If ff16 succeeds, they will make more single player games and 14 and 11 will continue to be starved.

Are you honestly telling me that's not how it would work? Unless you're simple or lying you know that is how this is going to play out.


Nothing lasts forever

Why do you keep saying this when I already said I don't care? I only care if something is there for the people that care about it, when ff11 players are gone why would I care if 11 still exists or not? I don't care if the super intelligent roosters that take over the earth in 1k years can play 11.

[Alhanelem]

Why do you keep saying this when I already said I don't care?The game will almost certainly be gone before all of its players.




If ff16 bombs, 14 will get an expansion announcement within a year.FFXIV is already getting an expansion announcement within a year regardless of what happens with FFXVI. Maybe you're not aware but the Fan Festival is coming up and that's when they will announce it. But it has been in development since the last expansion launched. It's not even a secret. FFXIV's next expansion is not contingent on FFXVI's success, at all, whatsoever, period.

FFXVI will have little bearing on either FFXI or FFXIV's future. You really shouldn't worry about it whatsoever. It would have to bomb on a worse scale than FFXIV 1.0 did (and it's hard to bomb worse than that) for it to matter at all. It's not even an MMO and can't directly compete with either MMO for players. I really don't see why you're so concerned about this.

[Pixela]

The game will almost certainly be gone before all of its players.

Source?!



FFXIV is already getting an expansion announcement within a year regardless of what happens with FFXVI. Maybe you're not aware but the Fan Festival is coming up and that's when they will announce it. But it has been in development since the last expansion launched. It's not even a secret. FFXIV's next expansion is not contingent on FFXVI's success, at all, whatsoever, period.

FFXVI will have little bearing on either FFXI or FFXIV's future. You really shouldn't worry about it whatsoever. It would have to bomb on a worse scale than FFXIV 1.0 did (and it's hard to bomb worse than that) for it to matter at all. It's not even an MMO and can't directly compete with either MMO for players. I really don't see why you're so concerned about this.

ff16 is already performing poorly in terms of interest and pre-orders, there is near no hype for it at all

So makes sense.

I love how you pretend the same number of people can do twice as much work and it wont' have any impact.

[Pixela]

Anyway lets leave it at that, literally as off-topic as possible.

It's not so bad in other threads but this is a topic OP made for help with the game.

[Sp1cyryan]

This guy really thinks hes the architect from the Matrix, you can't make this up.

Lol, wut....?

[Immortal]

The more finger pointing is done, the worse it looks. It would be better for everyone if you just stopped responding to this line of discussion at the very least until a new thread or discussion.

You will literally argue yourself out of anything even when you are caught with all the evidence possible lol. You stop responding, its as simple as not posting lol

[Alhanelem]

You will literally argue yourself out of anything even when you are caught with all the evidence possible lol. You stop responding, its as simple as not posting lolYou seem to be suffering from something called "Last word syndrome." Help is available should you require it.

[Sp1cyryan]

You will literally argue yourself out of anything even when you are caught with all the evidence possible lol. You stop responding, its as simple as not posting lol

No different than what you do. Com'on already, man.