The Aegist

[Pixela]

http://www.playonline.com/ff11/campaign/login/imgs/login119/pickup_en.png?170601

This is really stupid.

Can you not?

You are devaluing one of the most iconic REMA people spent hundreds to thousands of hours making for a joke login item, it looks identical to an Aegis unless you're really close to it. So level 1 mules will effectively have a prestige REMA now.

At least change the color?

You are ruining the prestige of the item

inb4 it's funny tho, from people who don't understand the greater issues and how an item that gives a laugh for a few minutes now will be in the game forever after

[Rinuko]

You can make an Aegis in a few days now though, a relic weapon isn't such a huge prestige anymore.
But I understand your line of thinking, for those that worked their butt off to get a relic weapon back when it was a huge grind, now it is just a gil wall.

I think it's a little funny and will probably get it for the collection.

[Sp1cyryan]

http://www.playonline.com/ff11/campaign/login/imgs/login119/pickup_en.png?170601

This is really stupid.

Can you not?

You are devaluing one of the most iconic REMA people spent hundreds to thousands of hours making for a joke login item, it looks identical to an Aegis unless you're really close to it. So level 1 mules will effectively have a prestige REMA now.

At least change the color?

You are ruining the prestige of the item

inb4 it's funny tho, from people who don't understand the greater issues and how an item that gives a laugh for a few minutes now will be in the game forever after

You are behaving like a brat.

[Pixela]

I liked you better when you were an asshat, your defeatist doomer troll arc is boring asf.

[Tarmarkvar]

Is this a serious complaint? This is especially ridiculous, even for Pixela.

There's nothing prestigious about Aegis. I made one back in 2015 because I was bored and thought about maybe playing PLD. It's been sitting in on of my mog wardrobes since. I might have actually moved it to Mog Locker or something just to stop wasting active wardrobe space. I honestly can't remember the last time I saw a PLD even visibly wearing one.

If you want a prestigious shield, get a crafting Eschuteon. Who takes hundreds or even thousands of hours to get a relic these days? Someone who doesn't know how the stagger system works in Dynamis? Somebody who buys all the currency but only raises the funds through direct gil drops from beastmen?

[Tarmarkvar]

You are behaving like a brat.

Maybe Pixela thinks it is 2007, when an Aegis actually was an accomplishment?

[Sp1cyryan]

Maybe Pixela thinks it is 2007, when an Aegis actually was an accomplishment?

You lost me at "thinks". Purely emotional.

[Pixela]

Is this a serious complaint? This is especially ridiculous, even for Pixela.

There's nothing prestigious about Aegis. I made one back in 2015 because I was bored and thought about maybe playing PLD. It's been sitting in on of my mog wardrobes since. I might have actually moved it to Mog Locker or something just to stop wasting active wardrobe space. I honestly can't remember the last time I saw a PLD even visibly wearing one.

If you want a prestigious shield, get a crafting Eschuteon. Who takes hundreds or even thousands of hours to get a relic these days? Someone who doesn't know how the stagger system works in Dynamis? Somebody who buys all the currency but only raises the funds through direct gil drops from beastmen?

Yes it is a serious complaint becasue there are still a lot of players who are more casual than you and see it as a big accomplishment, getting the currency or gil required to get it.

Also, what makes you think they won't do the same with eschuteon?

Aegis is the single most inconic rema in the game and it's going to be gobbie box mule cosmetic now.

https://i.imgur.com/uz9O3zn.jpg

[Okosego]

It’s says we will be able to synthesize 2 of these sheilds together to make a +1. I wonder what the bonus will be? Probably a lame costume?

[Tarmarkvar]

Yes it is a serious complaint becasue there are still a lot of players who are more casual than you and see it as a big accomplishment, getting the currency or gil required to get it.

Also, what makes you think they won't do the same with eschuteon?

Aegis is the single most inconic rema in the game and it's going to be gobbie box mule cosmetic now.


If you are casual and you put in what to you is a lot of time and effort to build an Aegis, you will have the real thing and you can take pride in actually having it and take pride in your own accomplishment. If you were doing it to get a costume piece to impress everyone, then you are out of touch with reality because that will not impress anyone.

Getting an Aegis is about comparable to getting a full +3 set of Anchorite's attire. But Anchorite's attire looks exactly like the full set of Temple attire you could get by leveling MNK up to 60 and doing a few hours worth of AF quests.

And if they make some lookalike Brewer's Eschuteon I'm not going to give a damn because I know the immense time and effort I put in to get the real thing, and I am proud of what I actually accomplish rather than what I can create the illusion of accomplishing.

[Alhanelem]

Why is that shield so ageist? I'm old, can I not still play this game?




Aegis is the single most inconic rema in the game and it's going to be gobbie box mule cosmetic now.Iconic? what? what's iconic is in the eye of the beholder, it means nothing to me.

Party pooper much?

Everyone who wants an aegis probably has one already, so I'm not sure why exactly we needed a glamour for it. All that really means though is this is a moot point.

[Pixela]

If you are casual and you put in what to you is a lot of time and effort to build an Aegis, you will have the real thing and you can take pride in actually having it and take pride in your own accomplishment. If you were doing it to get a costume piece to impress everyone, then you are out of touch with reality because that will not impress anyone.

Are you ignorant to human psychology and brain function?

[Sp1cyryan]

Are you ignorant to human psychology and brain function?

The irony.

[Pixela]

The irony.

You asked them to create an npc named after you on the larp server to inflate your ego, you get a dopamine hit every time you look at it.

[Sp1cyryan]

You asked them to create an npc named after you on the larp server to inflate your ego, you get a dopamine hit every time you look at it.

I didn't ask for it. You sound a bit focused on that cool NPC though. It's okay, I'm sure you are as liked as it by someone out there.

The simplification of armchair psychology is cute though.

[Pixela]

Yeah you did ask them, you said so. Super cringe.

[Sp1cyryan]

Yeah you did ask them, you said so. Super cringe.

It was fashioned after, but not requested.

You don't have any room to be calling something else cringe, lol.

[Pixela]

https://i.imgur.com/pNEGgZV.jpg

[Tarmarkvar]

Are you ignorant to human psychology and brain function?

So are you actually, in 2023, impressed by people with relic weapons?

Find me one other human being who is actually bothered by a knockoff Aegis, and I might actually believe you have something resembling a point. Because it sounds to me like you're doing what you do best: finding petty things to complain about, then positioning yourself as some grand advocate for the bedraggled masses of Vanadiel.

[Pixela]

Why do people get afterglows?

The thing you're missing is that just because it's not impressive to you, as someone that have achieved far higher things it doesn't mean it's not valued by others. Regardless it's setting a bad precedent.

I recently put a lot of effort to get a yagrush, I self farmed most of the currency so it took a long time. To you it's probably nothing but if they added a login one with a poop emoji on it I would be a bit annoyed.

[Sp1cyryan]

Why do people get afterglows?

To you it's probably nothing but if they added a login one with a poop emoji on it I would be a bit annoyed.

It's called the Pixela emoji.

[Pixela]

It almost feels like he is trying to get people to quit.

A producer letter that is an effective slap in the face.
An april fools joke teasing content after telling us we aren't getting anymore.
Removing Matsui-P after saying he wasn't going to.
Adding this thing to login points.

I can see the future, next month or the month after will be shadow lord head mount. You know he is going to do it, after that police car mounts no doubt.

Literal last post, waste of time posting here.

[Sp1cyryan]

Literal last post, waste of time posting here.

Doubtful it is the last. Terrible "they want everyone to quit" take as usual though otherwise.

[Immortal]

I liked you better when you were an asshat, your defeatist doomer troll arc is boring asf.

Really, hes getting more annoying after every post

As far as this, I don't like the idea behind it. There was precedent, but not to this extent. They had the Mindflayer staff that looked almost identical to the Nirvana, but this is a login point item that looks almost exactly like a relic. Really dumb if you ask me, but they threw lore out the window ages ago when they added crystals for HTB with 0 explanation and a bunch of other questionable choices. They should have made it similar to excalipoor and a toony type of weapon.

[Tarmarkvar]

Why do people get afterglows?


Because it makes a stronger weapon.

Remember, it's 2023.

[Tarmarkvar]

It almost feels like he is trying to get people to quit.

A producer letter that is an effective slap in the face.
An april fools joke teasing content after telling us we aren't getting anymore.
Removing Matsui-P after saying he wasn't going to.
Adding this thing to login points.

I can see the future, next month or the month after will be shadow lord head mount. You know he is going to do it, after that police car mounts no doubt.

Literal last post, waste of time posting here.

Come on. Nobody believes that for a second. I think I'm going to keep a link to you saying that on Notepad, just as a response to every whiny post you make from here on out. You can't help yourself.

[Sfchakan]

I built an Aegis over a decade ago and don't see a problem with this whatsoever. The people who could possibly be butthurt at all by this would have been upset a longtime ago when Dynamis was adjusted to become a solo effort and literally anyone could make a relic.

This? This is nothing. You can make an Aegis in a weekend now.

[Immortal]

It really isn't the point. Its just lore and principle. It just cheapens the whole thing when its literally a login item that a lv1 character can equip. Surely you can see why some people might not like this? Nobody is is that "butthurt" over it, its just a thing we don't like. It's really telling that most of the people who couldn't care less about things that hurt the games lore and overall aesthetic, are players that constantly quit and have no care for the games future.

[Sfchakan]

It really isn't the point. Its just lore and principle. It just cheapens the whole thing when its literally a login item that a lv1 character can equip. Surely you can see why some people might not like this? Nobody is is that "butthurt" over it, its just a thing we don't like. It's really telling that most of the people who couldn't care less about things that hurt the games lore and overall aesthetic, are players that constantly quit and have no care for the games future.

Defending Ring and the like were once unique and rare items and they've been essentially free handouts for like a decade, with free rolls at getting one available pretty much every month. What's your point?

This goofy item so far down the road after so much of the game is trivialized is really where people want to try to draw a line? Yeah, okay.

[Immortal]

Why does it bother you that people dislike this? In that case, according to you, if they make every REMA into a login point item with a smiley face on it, thats ok? People just want to preserve the aesthetic and lore of the game. Defending Ring doesn't even have lore behind it, just came from a popular NM and is a good item. Just because most things are obtainable doesn't mean they should make them all login items and give them away for free. I never liked any of that free crap they give out monthly, so its why I'm giving my opinion. I don't know why that bothers you or why you want to discourage people from complaining about something they deem noteworthy to leave an opinion about. If you don't care good for you, just move on then.

[Sirmarki]

You are devaluing one of the most iconic REMA people spent hundreds to thousands of hours making for a joke login item, it looks identical to an Aegis unless you're really close to it. So level 1 mules will effectively have a prestige REMA now.

Those days are long gone. People buy from mercs now, there is zero achievement in that and zero prestige in the item they have.

[VoiceMemo]

Aegis is iconic yes, a major accomplishment in this day and age, not so much. R30 Nyame is the major accomplishment these days.

[Sp1cyryan]

Really, hes getting more annoying after every post

As far as this, I don't like the idea behind it. There was precedent, but not to this extent. They had the Mindflayer staff that looked almost identical to the Nirvana, but this is a login point item that looks almost exactly like a relic. Really dumb if you ask me, but they threw lore out the window ages ago when they added crystals for HTB with 0 explanation and a bunch of other questionable choices. They should have made it similar to excalipoor and a toony type of weapon.

And what will you do? Bot some more? AFK some more? Hang out with all your mules? Pitter about some simping comments on every random XI corner of the web? From any forum to YouTube comments of whining about 14 getting more attention to how great this game is to how you are upset with the Devs? Lol, make way for the martyr.

Placing too much emphasis on REAMD weapons and feeling special. Only natural given a certain afterglow history.

[Alhanelem]

Why does it bother you that people dislike this? In that case, according to you, if they make every REMA into a login point item with a smiley face on it, thats ok? People just want to preserve the aesthetic and lore of the game. Defending Ring doesn't even have lore behind it, just came from a popular NM and is a good item. Just because most things are obtainable doesn't mean they should make them all login items and give them away for free. I never liked any of that free crap they give out monthly, so its why I'm giving my opinion. I don't know why that bothers you or why you want to discourage people from complaining about something they deem noteworthy to leave an opinion about. If you don't care good for you, just move on then.

You have my permission to give your character a look-alike Clausturm. :)

Ultimately, it's not the same item and that's all that matters. If they were giving away ACTUAL relic weapons to everybody, that would be different.

[Immortal]

And what will you do? Bot some more? AFK some more? Hang out with all your mules? Pitter about some simping comments on every random XI corner of the web? From any forum to YouTube comments of whining about 14 getting more attention to how great this game is to how you are upset with the Devs? Lol, make way for the martyr.

Placing too much emphasis on REAMD weapons and feeling special. Only natural given a certain afterglow history.

lol what in the world are you talking about? I think youre confused. Sad you think this is acceptable behavior, I pity those that have to deal with you daily.

[Immortal]

You have my permission to give your character a look-alike Clausturm. :)

Ultimately, it's not the same item and that's all that matters. If they were giving away ACTUAL relic weapons to everybody, that would be different.

Its simply a matter of opinions really. I don't think its a good idea to take every REMA and give almost the exact same model in login point items. I feel it is just a downside in the long run and not a good idea. If thats the case, why not let people lockstyle everything and anything they want without having to obtain the item? Why not just take away the middleman and let them visibly lockstyle into anything they want regardless of if they have it or not. It just is a matter of opinion but I don't think it would work out that great. Why would it be any different actually? Most of the relics are garbage, so why not just give them out for free. To hell with the games longevity, lore, overall health. Just seems to be what I'm observing in the backbone of these opinions.

[Immortal]

Those days are long gone. People buy from mercs now, there is zero achievement in that and zero prestige in the item they have.

So people that bought items from the AH back in the day have no prestige or achievement? You had to buy the cursed item from players most times, isn't that the same exact thing as merc? Or did you only consider it noteworthy if the person farmed every single material? Your thinking is so outdated.

[Sirmarki]

So people that bought items from the AH back in the day have no prestige or achievement? You had to buy the cursed item from players most times, isn't that the same exact thing as merc? Or did you only consider it noteworthy if the person farmed every single material? Your thinking is so outdated.

No it's not the same thing, otherwise SE would have put every single weapon and Armor piece on the Auction House.
Mercing is bending mechanics of the game, and 99% of them use third party tools to do it.

[Sp1cyryan]

lol what in the world are you talking about? I think youre confused. Sad you think this is acceptable behavior, I pity those that have to deal with you daily.

You say one thing publicly. Fully aware of the allusions or weight while pretending contrary or simply lying historically. Then regularly send PMs otherwise because you are rather duplicitous. So I don't pity you at all, lol.

[Immortal]

You say one thing publicly. Fully aware of the allusions or weight while pretending contrary or simply lying historically. Then regularly send PMs otherwise because you are rather duplicitous. So I don't pity you at all, lol.

What you are saying has literally 0 to do with the discussion in this thread. You really have some problems to sort out.

[Immortal]

No it's not the same thing, otherwise SE would have put every single weapon and Armor piece on the Auction House.
Mercing is bending mechanics of the game, and 99% of them use third party tools to do it.

Mercing has existed since day1 of this game. 99%? Where is your proof on that number lol, getting really a better picture now of the type of player I'm responding to.

[Alhanelem]

Its simply a matter of opinions really.To me as long as it's not the same item that's all that matters.

Be realistic, no one is going to run around with one of these and claim that they worked their butt off for an afterglow aegis, and a simple /check will reveal they don't have one equipped.

[zataz]

Why do people get afterglows?

The thing you're missing is that just because it's not impressive to you, as someone that have achieved far higher things it doesn't mean it's not valued by others. Regardless it's setting a bad precedent.

I recently put a lot of effort to get a yagrush, I self farmed most of the currency so it took a long time. To you it's probably nothing but if they added a login one with a poop emoji on it I would be a bit annoyed.

I personally don't see a issue and I have aegis and ochain afterglowed

[zataz]

I personally don't see a issue and I have aegis and ochain afterglowed

O yea lol anything afterglowed grow a pair and do trial 5055 then you can complain.

[Immortal]

Nobody cares about your afterglow, none of it is impressive. Its the principle and idea behind the item. Ask yourself, are you ok with every REMA being reskinned as a lv1 lockstyle item? If you are, you probably don't care that much about this game.

[Alhanelem]

Ask yourself, are you ok with every REMA being reskinned as a lv1 lockstyle item?If you don't think this is impressive why is it a problem?

[Immortal]

Nothing is really impressive anymore, maybe max ranked odyssey gear at best but thats not something displayed visually. I personally think its a problem due to lore and it cheapens the whole game experience to see mules running around with fake REMA on. That is my opinion, and it used to be shared by a lot of people in the past but sadly now as the game has aged we get this community that doesn't give a crap anymore about anything. That is also a direct result of this dev team and by extension, SE, not caring much about the game either. Its like a lose lose situation, you literally have people fighting you over your opinion on something as tiny as this. If they don't care about devaluing (in many different aspects) a relic armor, where do they draw the line? The fact is, they probably don't even have a line. They couldn't care less if everyone and their mule was running around with reskinned REMA. I think it just speaks to the state of things and thats what mostly bothers me.

[Sp1cyryan]

What you are saying has literally 0 to do with the discussion in this thread. You really have some problems to sort out.

How you act is relevant when you are around. Lol.


Nobody cares about your afterglow, none of it is impressive. Its the principle and idea behind the item. Ask yourself, are you ok with every REMA being reskinned as a lv1 lockstyle item? If you are, you probably don't care that much about this game.

Heh, people certainly care about afterglow. Some even get banned from Leviathan for it.

Overall—and I don't think you see it or at least admit it—you keep forcing square logic through a round hole. As you can't separate it from your values.

[Sirmarki]

Mercing has existed since day1 of this game. 99%? Where is your proof on that number lol, getting really a better picture now of the type of player I'm responding to.

A legit player you mean? I'm confused?

No it wasn't a thing, not on Fenrir. The Japanese were/are masters of the game and they wouldn't touch mercing with a barge pole.

So you're telling me that a player with 6 toons is sitting around 6 different PC's and using their hands, feet and tongue to control their characters all at once?

[Immortal]

How you act is relevant when you are around. Lol.



Heh, people certainly care about afterglow. Some even get banned from Leviathan for it.

Overall—and I don't think you see it or at least admit it—you keep forcing square logic through a round hole. As you can't separate it from your values.

You have no idea what you are talking about, but thats nothing new

[Immortal]

A legit player you mean? I'm confused?

No it wasn't a thing, not on Fenrir. The Japanese were/are masters of the game and they wouldn't touch mercing with a barge pole.

So you're telling me that a player with 6 toons is sitting around 6 different PC's and using their hands, feet and tongue to control their characters all at once?

Toons... yeah, you are that guy

[Alhanelem]

I personally think its a problem due to lore and it cheapens the whole game experience to see mules running around with fake REMA on.Again, if achieving the actual item isn't considered remarkable, I don't see how they are cheapened by a clearly identifiable vanity clone.

It's as I said before, no one is going to claim they have an aegis when they only have one of these, and it's easy to differentiate them. They're different items with different names obtained in different ways, As far as I can see such items don't take anything away from the genuine article as long they can be identified as not being the same item.

[Immortal]

There are really no remarkable achievements anymore though, can you name some that are visual? We are at a point where most items are within reach to almost everyone aside from max augmented Odyssey gear, which is not a visual piece. Most time gates are removed, Gil falls from the trees. I was mainly looking at it from a lore perspective and the historical value the item had with players.

I think they look almost exactly the same from a distance, you can't tell the difference. I think its a cheap joke at the expense of an iconic piece of gear, but at this point its getting annoying to repeat myself. You can keep your opinion and I'll keep mine and surely we'll be right back here when they do it again because everyone seems to deem it acceptable.

[Pixela]

Matsui = Zack Snyder
Fujito = Joss Whedon

[Sirmarki]

Toons... yeah, you are that guy

Rather than write some cryptic message, how about you explain your comment?

[Sfchakan]

Rather than write some cryptic message, how about you explain your comment?

Holdover from years gone by where WoW players called their characters "toons" and it made them easier to spot. People in the XI community generally don't use that term.

[Alhanelem]

There are really no remarkable achievements anymore though,If you want to make this case, then there isn't any kind of problem here. If getting a relic isn't anything special, then there shouldn't be any problem with having a cosmetic item that looks like one.

[Alhanelem]

Rather than write some cryptic message, how about you explain your comment?He's referring to the fact that you're referring to characters as "toons."

This is often hated outside of games like WoW and Maplestory that actually have cartoonish looking characters/graphics. FFXI is not one of those games and it doesn't make a lot of sense to use that term.

[Immortal]

If you want to make this case, then there isn't any kind of problem here. If getting a relic isn't anything special, then there shouldn't be any problem with having a cosmetic item that looks like one.

That isn't the case I'm making for this. In my opinion (i have to keep saying this because people don't read) this item has a history with players, it is iconic and it is actually in the games lore... I don't think something like that, which most REMA fall under, should be turned into a lv 1 lockstyle item without adjustments. Something like Excalipoor is cool, done thru the series and funny. That isn't the case here, they literally took the shield model for Aegis and put a dumb face on it. From a distance you couldn't tell the difference.

Its not some HUGE issue, its just something I disliked. I thought it was funny but would rather they make it more along the lines of Excalipoor... At the least a slight color change so its like Rusty/old, that would be a cool lock style. Not the exact same shield with a face. I feel like if an item has a history behind it with players and its in the lore of the game and has some relevance in todays game, it shouldn't be a lv 1 lockstyle item.

Again, this is all my personal opinion, nobody is trying to force you to change yours. SE will do whatever they want like always without even reading this.

[Alhanelem]

this item has a history with players, it is iconic and it is actually in the games lore... I don't really agree with this but I'd still wager that's the reason it was chosen. But it could have just as easily been any other relic. I don't see it as any more "iconic" than any other relic, and the entire set of relic weapons is in the game's lore (each was wielded by a past hero in the shadowreign era). So, it's still flawed.

The only sense in which it might be "iconic" is that it might have been the most made relic (I'm sure someone has data on this though)

[Immortal]

You don't agree with what? That its iconic? I mean.. it is, its one of the most useful relics in the game for one (still) and two it was extremely popular for a very long time. They even used it in some spin off games like that grandmasters game. Aegis itself is a popular mythical item across multiple media, not hard to see why it was popular.

Any other relic I would have the same opinion. It's also a fear of mine they will repeat this with other REMA, I don't like that idea personally. If they want to do it, I feel they should do the Excalipoor style instead, I enjoyed that one a lot.

[Sirmarki]

He's referring to the fact that you're referring to characters as "toons."

This is often hated outside of games like WoW and Maplestory that actually have cartoonish looking characters/graphics. FFXI is not one of those games and it doesn't make a lot of sense to use that term.

That's great. I haven't played any of them, so.... Still doesn't explain the comment they made:


Toons... yeah, you are that guy

[Pixela]

https://i.imgur.com/9WVQJak.jpg

[Sp1cyryan]

https://i.imgur.com/9WVQJak.jpg

"Look at my attempt to meme, guiz!"

I'm glad they added this. The few people taking serious issue with it fall into a similar range.

[Pixela]

https://i.imgur.com/6GrHdhP.jpg

[Sirmarki]

https://i.imgur.com/9WVQJak.jpg

You have far too much time on your hands.

[Alhanelem]

You have far too much time on your hands.
Yeah well, Uriah's got us all beat there.

[Alhanelem]

That's great. I haven't played any of them, so.... Still doesn't explain the comment they made:
It precisely explains it. Because my post represents exactly why they said that.

"it's often hated [outside of certain games]"

I've never understand why people started calling their characters toons. It is not a synonym for any of the other words we'd use, a toon is *specifically* a character in a cartoon. That's how Tiny Toon Adventures got its name, because the characters on the show were called toons, and they actually called each other as such on the show. It is not like character, char (just shorthand), avatar, persona, identity, figure, etc.

Calling characters in this game "toons" makes it sound like they're... well, actually toons, i.e. characters in a cartoon. FFXI (and FFXIV) are not cartoonish like WoW or certain other MMOs are. So the term makes no sense. And that's why I, and most other people who call out the use of this term, don't like it.

[Alhanelem]

You don't agree with what? That its iconic? I mean.. it is, its one of the most useful relics in the game for one (still) and two it was extremely popular for a very long time. Being a useful item that lots of people got isn't what makes it iconic. If it is iconic, it's more because of the name and actual historical/mythological object it's based on. I like to think of the entire relic line as iconic for how well known they are as powerful weapons that had (what once was) an ardorous trial associated with obtaining them.

[Pixela]

The reason some of us are saying it's bad is because we think it damages the game in the minds of the players, and it's a sign of worse things to come from a new producer that obviously doesn't care.

Supporting it out of pure contrarianism or trolling is pleb tier.

The reason someone that wins a sports event gets a gold medal or trophy is because our brains are hard wired to enjoy a visible trophy for the hard effort, even if the money/stat boost is the primary reason. Taking the most iconic REMA in the game and giving it to everyone on the server is a massive disincentive to engage with this or other achievements at a subconscious level. In a game that is foundationally built on long winded achievements as the primary reason to play it no less. Added to that, they make a mockery of it too.

There is nothing we can do about it now, as always by the time we find out what they are doing it's too late to change it. It's still outrageously stupid and counter productive to a primary reason people play the game.

I put more effort into a shield for the shield competition a few years ago than he did for his job, he didn't even change the color to be silver or iron as he could of to rectify the issues of a lazy re-use of assets.

https://i.imgur.com/8nUsv0I.jpg

[Alhanelem]

Supporting it out of pure contrarianism or trolling is pleb tier.It's a good thing none of us are doing that.



The reason someone that wins a sports event gets a gold medal or trophy is because our brains are hard wired to enjoy a visible trophy for the hard effort, even if the money/stat boost is the primary reason.That ship sailed like a decade ago.

As others in this thread have already stated, relics haven't been considered an accomplishment for a long time, and it certainly seems like the playerbase has accepted that. The notion that the existence of this item is minimizing an accomplishment as you're suggesting with this comment is inaccurate at best.

When I started working towards Claustrum, there wasn't a single one in existence yet, while every other relic had at least one (With the next least popular being the axe I think). But today, making relics is fairly trivial (easy and not all that time consuming against a lot of other far more time consuming items in the game), and by the time I actually finished mine, several more dedicated people had made one just for the sake of making one. It wasn't really an accomplishment except maybe for the first person who actually did it. I've accepted that, and I think most people who have relics have accepted that. If they created this item 10 years ago, sure, I could maybe understand people being a little upset.

There are cases where you could make this argument, but I don't think the Agest is a good case study for this issue.

FFXIV used to have highly exclusive rewards for topping the rankings in PvP, and the people who actually played The Feast during this time were constantly annoyed at people begging SE to make these items available from other content because they didn't want to do PvP but wanted to have EVERYTHING. In this case, doing so WOULD be a minimzation of accomplishment because achieving a spot in the rankings actually was an accomplishment and those items remain exclusive to this day as they didn't repeat any rewards (though there were variations with different color schemes).

The one time SE actually did pull something like that quite understandably did cause an uproar. There were these earrings, the White Ravens, which were only obtainable from a special battle during FFXIV 1.x, and they had previously promised that those items would remain exclsuive to that. But then they re-released them for a seasonal event in ARR, and that meant that not only was the item no longer exclusive, but it could be obtained with zero effort during the event. It wasn't even a different item, it was the exact same item so there was no way to tell the item apart from the originals. And I think that's an important factor.

To me the aegist is fine because:
1) The Aegis was never exclusive in the first place, anyone who put the time/gil in could get one
2) The Aegist is clearly a replica, it isn't trying to pretend its the real thing
3) It is an item of its own and thus can be told apart from the real one
4) You can tell it apart even if it's lockstyled because they won't have the real one equipped

The reason people had a problem with the White Ravens in FFXIV isn't because they made a look-alike, it's because they actually distributed the original item that other people had to work hard to obtain from a difficult battle during the time the game was an utter dumpster fire and the new distribution required no effort whatsoever. If they had released an item that was clearly a copy i.e. it had a different name and/or different attributes, it wouldn't have been received so poorly.


SE did the right thing here by creating a new item with a new name that isn't functionally useful in any way other than to let you look cool (particularly if your job isn't PLD). Since it can be told apart from the original I have no problem with it whatsoever.

[Pixela]

Spicyryan is, it seems to be all he does lately.

[Alhanelem]

Spicyryan is, it seems to be all he does lately.
It's just with you. He's actually mocking you, it isn't even about being contrarian, he just doesn't like you and therefore is taking the time to call you out. I don't really care for you either, but I'm not petty and if you say something worthwhile I'm willing to acknowledge it.

[Pixela]

It's just with you. He's actually mocking you, it isn't even about being contrarian, he just doesn't like you and therefore is taking the time to call you out. I don't really care for you either, but I'm not petty and if you say something worthwhile I'm willing to acknowledge it.

No it's not, he posts the same stupid way on the official forums to everyone (and he only posts like this here). However I know he is extremely mad about me posting some facts about him elsewhere, which was funny.

Regardless I don't care if he likes me or not, or you for that matter as you're well aware (however I still respect your opinion enough to engage with the things you say). I stopped posting most places that relate to XI at this point becasue I'm pretty disheartened with the game currently, I only post here now because there is a minute chance the producer might see them.

[Immortal]

No it's not, he posts the same stupid way on the official forums to everyone (and he only posts like this here). However I know he is extremely mad about me posting some facts about him elsewhere, which was funny.

Regardless I don't care if he likes me or not, or you for that matter as you're well aware (however I still respect your opinion enough to engage with the things you say). I stopped posting most places that relate to XI at this point becasue I'm pretty disheartened with the game currently, I only post here now because there is a minute chance the producer might see them.

Completely agree with you, such a shame the whole situation but what can you do.

[Immortal]

It's a good thing none of us are doing that.


That ship sailed like a decade ago.

As others in this thread have already stated, relics haven't been considered an accomplishment for a long time, and it certainly seems like the playerbase has accepted that. The notion that the existence of this item is minimizing an accomplishment as you're suggesting with this comment is inaccurate at best.

When I started working towards Claustrum, there wasn't a single one in existence yet, while every other relic had at least one (With the next least popular being the axe I think). But today, making relics is fairly trivial (easy and not all that time consuming against a lot of other far more time consuming items in the game), and by the time I actually finished mine, several more dedicated people had made one just for the sake of making one. It wasn't really an accomplishment except maybe for the first person who actually did it. I've accepted that, and I think most people who have relics have accepted that. If they created this item 10 years ago, sure, I could maybe understand people being a little upset.

There are cases where you could make this argument, but I don't think the Agest is a good case study for this issue.

FFXIV used to have highly exclusive rewards for topping the rankings in PvP, and the people who actually played The Feast during this time were constantly annoyed at people begging SE to make these items available from other content because they didn't want to do PvP but wanted to have EVERYTHING. In this case, doing so WOULD be a minimzation of accomplishment because achieving a spot in the rankings actually was an accomplishment and those items remain exclusive to this day as they didn't repeat any rewards (though there were variations with different color schemes).

The one time SE actually did pull something like that quite understandably did cause an uproar. There were these earrings, the White Ravens, which were only obtainable from a special battle during FFXIV 1.x, and they had previously promised that those items would remain exclsuive to that. But then they re-released them for a seasonal event in ARR, and that meant that not only was the item no longer exclusive, but it could be obtained with zero effort during the event. It wasn't even a different item, it was the exact same item so there was no way to tell the item apart from the originals. And I think that's an important factor.

To me the aegist is fine because:
1) The Aegis was never exclusive in the first place, anyone who put the time/gil in could get one
2) The Aegist is clearly a replica, it isn't trying to pretend its the real thing
3) It is an item of its own and thus can be told apart from the real one
4) You can tell it apart even if it's lockstyled because they won't have the real one equipped

The reason people had a problem with the White Ravens in FFXIV isn't because they made a look-alike, it's because they actually distributed the original item that other people had to work hard to obtain from a difficult battle during the time the game was an utter dumpster fire and the new distribution required no effort whatsoever. If they had released an item that was clearly a copy i.e. it had a different name and/or different attributes, it wouldn't have been received so poorly.


SE did the right thing here by creating a new item with a new name that isn't functionally useful in any way other than to let you look cool (particularly if your job isn't PLD). Since it can be told apart from the original I have no problem with it whatsoever.

It was explained various times already. Where are you drawing the line to determine what you would consider ok to copy and paste with a smiley face? Relics don't take a lot of time or effort, but they have lore, history and its iconic with players. One of the biggest gripes those lv75 cap only players have is the irrelevance of items they once revered, this seems like another bullet in their favor.

Almost everything is trivial these days because a majority of the time gates were removed on literally everything and Gil is quite easy to come by too, in addition to everyone and their grandma multi boxing. The only long term thing these days is Ergon weapons due to the mandatory wait time and once you get one you get the other super easily/fast. The requirements for caring about something doesn't simply have to do with Gil or time requirement, it can be something iconic/historical in the game and still rub people the wrong way if you take that exact item and put a smiley face on it.

You say its not the exact same item but really it is, the face is different but most people are not going to tell from a distance. There are already people who don't recognize the current face, they won't know unless they examine the person. Really, what most are bothered by isnt the fact its in the game but the fact they choose to do stuff like this to devalue other iconic things and not care about their lore or longevity of their game. They should have brought new upgrades to these armors, not make lv1 vanity items but at this point we know how depressing the outlook for new stuff is.

[Immortal]

It's just with you. He's actually mocking you, it isn't even about being contrarian, he just doesn't like you and therefore is taking the time to call you out. I don't really care for you either, but I'm not petty and if you say something worthwhile I'm willing to acknowledge it.

He does it with me too, even going so far as to completely go off topic to drag random rumors and the past into it to attack people. I think you are siding with the wrong person, he doesn't even care about this game lately as he plays on private servers lol.

[Sp1cyryan]

Your act is so tired, just stop.

What act is this? While it has to be rather sanded around the edges for this board. It isn't like I am lying at any point.

[Alhanelem]

It was explained various times already. Where are you drawing the line to determine what you would consider ok to copy and paste with a smiley face?The line is "can the real thing be told apart from the fake in any way?"

If the answer is yes, it's fine.

If you have an ageis and they have an aegist, we know who put in the effort to obtain an item and who spent their login points. Therefore in my opinion, it doesn't "minimize" your item, accomplishment, or investment, as you still have an aegis and they don't (unless of course, they have one of those too)



You say its not the exact same item but really it is, the face is different but most people are not going to tell from a distance.This is irrelevant. It's not the exact same item because it's not the exact same item. It has a different name, different stats, they can be posessed at the same time, etc.

It is a different item obtained in a different way with different attributes. That is good enough for me. There is no gray area here.

It's kind of like having two copies of a poster, one signed by the artist on the back and one not. People tend to place different values on something that is autographed over something that isn't. The two posters may look the same, but they are treated differently by different people. The same applies here.

[Rinuko]

It precisely explains it. Because my post represents exactly why they said that.

"it's often hated [outside of certain games]"

I've never understand why people started calling their characters toons. It is not a synonym for any of the other words we'd use, a toon is *specifically* a character in a cartoon. That's how Tiny Toon Adventures got its name, because the characters on the show were called toons, and they actually called each other as such on the show. It is not like character, char (just shorthand), avatar, persona, identity, figure, etc.

Calling characters in this game "toons" makes it sound like they're... well, actually toons, i.e. characters in a cartoon. FFXI (and FFXIV) are not cartoonish like WoW or certain other MMOs are. So the term makes no sense. And that's why I, and most other people who call out the use of this term, don't like it.

I agree. I always said alts and mules back back in the day cause it was the slang everyone used back in the 75 days era.

[zataz]

Hey question I know I could look it up but does it glow yes or no if yes ok they can be upset if it doesn't glow thou why complain about a weapon not finished? i dont get it the glow is part of the look i didnt turn in 3000 riftdross just for 7 pdt on party members from its shield bash lol

[zataz]

Why does it bother you that people dislike this? In that case, according to you, if they make every REMA into a login point item with a smiley face on it, thats ok? People just want to preserve the aesthetic and lore of the game. Defending Ring doesn't even have lore behind it, just came from a popular NM and is a good item. Just because most things are obtainable doesn't mean they should make them all login items and give them away for free. I never liked any of that free crap they give out monthly, so its why I'm giving my opinion. I don't know why that bothers you or why you want to discourage people from complaining about something they deem noteworthy to leave an opinion about. If you don't care good for you, just move on then.

Ok look I'm not gonna fight with someone who's fighting over nothing just one question for you does it make your charcter glow? Yes or no and if the answer Is no then I'll ask this why not finish the weapon instead of using a unfinished one? If looks matter the glow is part of that

[zataz]

The line is "can the real thing be told apart from the fake in any way?"

If the answer is yes, it's fine.

If you have an ageis and they have an aegist, we know who put in the effort to obtain an item and who spent their login points. Therefore in my opinion, it doesn't "minimize" your item, accomplishment, or investment, as you still have an aegis and they don't (unless of course, they have one of those too)


This is irrelevant. It's not the exact same item because it's not the exact same item. It has a different name, different stats, they can be posessed at the same time, etc.

It is a different item obtained in a different way with different attributes. That is good enough for me. There is no gray area here.

It's kind of like having two copies of a poster, one signed by the artist on the back and one not. People tend to place different values on something that is autographed over something that isn't. The two posters may look the same, but they are treated differently by different people. The same applies here.

i agree with you 100% it doesnt matter look at how they tell me my accomplishment doesnt matter when the glow is basically tied to the look lol

[Pixela]

That he chose to do this to Aegis is ultimately what makes it so obnoxious, Aegis is the most well known (even outside of FFXI) and culturally important items in the game bar none.

Aegis to FFXI is like Ashbringer to WoW.

Our brains value visual rarity, and we tend to link high status individuals to the things that it can be considered to help them be a high status individual. This is why designer clothing manufacturers give their products to or even pay high status people to wear or use their products. To use an example Nike to some sports star, or some high ticket clothes to some film star or singer.

When everyone has a Ferrari they become mundane and the link to some impressive individuals you can think of who drove one is watered down in the minds of people in the society.

Similarly if they add a login item that looks near identical to the most widely recognized REMA in the game (outside of close inspection) it vastly devalues the actual Aegis to the point players who used to wear it with pride will slowly start to lockstyle something else now. Which is very sad (btw I don't play Pld before someone thinks this is butthurt over me owning an Aegis, this is about the game that I care about and have been heavily involved with for 20 years).

When I see a paladin with an Aegis it's still triggers in me a some respect for the player wearing it because I associate the Aegis still with a Paladin that put a lot of effort into their character, and it imbues onto them the hard won respect from the best paladins in the game I've played with and seen in action over the years. From the main Paladin in my HNM shell that held Tiamat alone when the rest of us wiped from an mpk, to the Paladin in my first Dyna LS we all helped build an Aegis upon and felt communal pride in the accomplishment.

Very much as the lore of the Aegis states, wearing it does bestow onto you the prestige from other great paladins that wore it in the past in the minds of onlookers, that will 100% soon be gone now.

Aside from this he also chose to make this iconic REMA, that embodies many positives virtues into an item of mockery. So not only did he devalue it with mass production but he also flipped it from a high thought of prestige item into an object of ridicule.

These negatives gave what positives? A stupid joke item that will be funny for 5 minutes?

If you can consider a 20 year old video game to have cultural importance, what Fujito did to the community of the game he oversees is cultural vandalism and shows he has no respect for FFXI at all.

[Sirmarki]

When everyone has a Ferrari they become mundane and the link to some impressive individuals you can think of who drove one is watered down in the minds of people in the society.

Yeh but this is a Ferrari minus the engine and fitted with internal peddles.

In all seriousness though, I do understand where you are coming from, but it is what it is and I don't think many people care.

Which brings me on to the point of - There is no prestige in the game anymore. Widespread mercing killed that off. ANYBODY can make gil, and gil buys pretty much all weapons, so for me, the value has been lost a long time ago (hence why the vast majority of people don't even group up anymore).

[Sp1cyryan]

That he chose to do this to Aegis is ultimately what makes it so obnoxious, Aegis is the most well known (even outside of FFXI) and culturally important items in the game bar none.

Aegis to FFXI is like Ashbringer to WoW.

Our brains value visual rarity, and we tend to link high status individuals to the things that it can be considered to help them be a high status individual. This is why designer clothing manufacturers give their products to or even pay high status people to wear or use their products. To use an example Nike to some sports star, or some high ticket clothes to some film star or singer.

When everyone has a Ferrari they become mundane and the link to some impressive individuals you can think of who drove one is watered down in the minds of people in the society.

Similarly if they add a login item that looks near identical to the most widely recognized REMA in the game (outside of close inspection) it vastly devalues the actual Aegis to the point players who used to wear it with pride will slowly start to lockstyle something else now. Which is very sad (btw I don't play Pld before someone thinks this is butthurt over me owning an Aegis, this is about the game that I care about and have been heavily involved with for 20 years).

When I see a paladin with an Aegis it's still triggers in me a some respect for the player wearing it because I associate the Aegis still with a Paladin that put a lot of effort into their character, and it imbues onto them the hard won respect from the best paladins in the game I've played with and seen in action over the years. From the main Paladin in my HNM shell that held Tiamat alone when the rest of us wiped from an mpk, to the Paladin in my first Dyna LS we all helped build an Aegis upon and felt communal pride in the accomplishment.

Very much as the lore of the Aegis states, wearing it does bestow onto you the prestige from other great paladins that wore it in the past in the minds of onlookers, that will 100% soon be gone now.

Aside from this he also chose to make this iconic REMA, that embodies many positives virtues into an item of mockery. So not only did he devalue it with mass production but he also flipped it from a high thought of prestige item into an object of ridicule.

These negatives gave what positives? A stupid joke item that will be funny for 5 minutes?

If you can consider a 20 year old video game to have cultural importance, what Fujito did to the community of the game he oversees is cultural vandalism and shows he has no respect for FFXI at all.

You are blowing an item you can make in 6 hours completely out of proportion. You are beyond oversensitive about it. Get over it.

[Pixela]

No I'm not, it matters and I explained why. There are other people who are mad about this, and yet more who haven't really thought about it that will be once it's in the game everywhere.

a) this is a login item, it didn't need to happen and really has no worth other than yuckyucks
b) they even recolored the VR weapons to differentiate and can't do it here?
c) people who are annoyed about it need to send a message so he understands this is not cool to replicate in future, if he even cares what players think. If you can't stop the thing, you can at least say you don't like it or you'll get more
d) it's not 6 hours, it's 6 hours++ & 40-50 million gil

It looks dumb as hell, devalues something else and it hurts the game.

Don't disagree with me just because you don't like me, grow up. You care about the game as much as I do given how much time you've invested in it and the wiki, and this is garbage and you know it.

All he needs to do is this and it would take minutes.

https://i.imgur.com/Gq0LOim.jpg

[Sp1cyryan]

No I'm not, it matters and I explained why. There are other people who are mad about this, and yet more who haven't really thought about it that will be once it's in the game everywhere.

a) this is a login item, it didn't need to happen and really has no worth other than yuckyucks
b) they even recolored the VR weapons to differentiate and can't do it here?
c) people who are annoyed about it need to send a message so he understands this is not cool to replicate in future, if he even cares what players think. If you can't stop the thing, you can at least say you don't like it or you'll get more
d) it's not 6 hours, it's 6 hours++ & 40-50 million gil

It looks dumb as hell, devalues something else and it hurts the game.

Don't disagree with me just because you don't like me, grow up. You care about the game as much as I do given how much time you've invested in it and the wiki, and this is garbage and you know it.

All he needs to do is this and it would take minutes.

https://i.imgur.com/Gq0LOim.jpg

"It's not 6 hours. It's 6 hours and gil!"

Astounding, lol.

This fretting over cosmetics compared to an item with actual purpose is pathetic.

[Pixela]

Do you wonder why people are homeless? They could just goto their bank full of money from their 200k a year tech job, buy a house and go live in it right? You should go tell them how easy it is.

Do I really need to explain that it takes a lot of time to make 30-40 million gil for most people?

Also you're ignoring that there are numerous unlocks and rng drops, you're just taking it for granted someone has everything they need unlocked and ready to make one on demand and the only resistance is the wait times on an npc.

[Sp1cyryan]

Do you wonder why people are homeless? They could just goto their bank full of money from their 200k a year tech job, buy a house and go live in it right? You should go tell them how easy it is.

Do I really need to explain that it takes a lot of time to make 30-40 million gil for most people?

Also you're ignoring that there are numerous unlocks and rng drops, you're just taking it for granted someone has everything they need unlocked and ready to make one on demand and the only resistance is the wait times on an npc.

The game may very well be that important to you (and Draylo) from the sounds of it. However, you can't compare it to homelessness, and shouldn't.
Your attempt at a passive aggressive answer is simply incongruent.

A relic isn't an achievement anymore. It's not hard to get gil. Sorry to break it to you, but it is 2023, not 2007.

[zataz]

That he chose to do this to Aegis is ultimately what makes it so obnoxious, Aegis is the most well known (even outside of FFXI) and culturally important items in the game bar none.

Aegis to FFXI is like Ashbringer to WoW.

Our brains value visual rarity, and we tend to link high status individuals to the things that it can be considered to help them be a high status individual. This is why designer clothing manufacturers give their products to or even pay high status people to wear or use their products. To use an example Nike to some sports star, or some high ticket clothes to some film star or singer.

When everyone has a Ferrari they become mundane and the link to some impressive individuals you can think of who drove one is watered down in the minds of people in the society.

Similarly if they add a login item that looks near identical to the most widely recognized REMA in the game (outside of close inspection) it vastly devalues the actual Aegis to the point players who used to wear it with pride will slowly start to lockstyle something else now. Which is very sad (btw I don't play Pld before someone thinks this is butthurt over me owning an Aegis, this is about the game that I care about and have been heavily involved with for 20 years).

When I see a paladin with an Aegis it's still triggers in me a some respect for the player wearing it because I associate the Aegis still with a Paladin that put a lot of effort into their character, and it imbues onto them the hard won respect from the best paladins in the game I've played with and seen in action over the years. From the main Paladin in my HNM shell that held Tiamat alone when the rest of us wiped from an mpk, to the Paladin in my first Dyna LS we all helped build an Aegis upon and felt communal pride in the accomplishment.

Very much as the lore of the Aegis states, wearing it does bestow onto you the prestige from other great paladins that wore it in the past in the minds of onlookers, that will 100% soon be gone now.

Aside from this he also chose to make this iconic REMA, that embodies many positives virtues into an item of mockery. So not only did he devalue it with mass production but he also flipped it from a high thought of prestige item into an object of ridicule.

These negatives gave what positives? A stupid joke item that will be funny for 5 minutes?

If you can consider a 20 year old video game to have cultural importance, what Fujito did to the community of the game he oversees is cultural vandalism and shows he has no respect for FFXI at all.

as a holder of both aegis and ochain let me ask you does it make you glow if no then stop using a unfinished item and finish it the glow is attached to the look and aegis is exclusive unless you can show me a shield that also has a yellow glow when equipped fyi thats why i glowed aegis and ochain for the look not for the afterglow effect from shieldbash

[Pixela]

The game may very well be that important to you (and Draylo) from the sounds of it. However, you can't compare it to homelessness, and shouldn't.
Your attempt at a passive aggressive answer is simply incongruent.

A relic isn't an achievement anymore. It's not hard to get gil. Sorry to break it to you, but it is 2023, not 2007.

It's a good analogy because you are implying everyone is just automatically at the same level as you, and that is not the case.

You're just aware as I am that your position and your abilities are not shared universally and you are to be considered the top 1% elites in our little society. You are effectively the Beizos and Musk of XI and confused why everyone else can't just pull relics and mythics out of their ass (or in their case fly to the moon).

You elitist minded people get on my nerves sometimes, you're totally oblivious that other people don't have your privileges.


as a holder of both aegis and ochain let me ask you does it make you glow if no then stop using a unfinished item and finish it the glow is attached to the look and aegis is exclusive unless you can show me a shield that also has a yellow glow when equipped fyi thats why i glowed aegis and ochain for the look not for the afterglow effect from shieldbash

The argument is with the model and texture, not the glow effect.

Also that it would of taken him 10 mins to make it grey and keep everyone happy at a bare minimum level, it's literally a saturation slider job and then drag the texture to each race dat.

[Sp1cyryan]

It's a good analogy because you are implying everyone is just automatically at the same level as you, and that is not the case.

You're just aware as I am that your position and your abilities are not shared universally and you are to be considered the top 1% elites in our little society. You are effectively the Beizos and Musk of XI and confused why everyone else can't just pull relics and mythics out of their ass (or in their case fly to the moon).

You elitist minded people get on my nerves sometimes, you're totally oblivious that other people don't have your privileges.



The argument is with the model and texture, not the glow effect.

Also that it would of taken him 10 mins to make it grey and keep everyone happy at a bare minimum level, it's literally a saturation slider job and then drag the texture to each race dat.

It's a terrible analogy, but you just don't get it, lol. It's not about being at "my level".

Stop with the trash analogies. I'm not some super exclusive oligarch of status. Such an unobjective remark is just to suit yourself. You have to be that bad to really believe I am some 1% of privilege in FFXI.

[zataz]

but the glow effect is part of the look like i said your using a unfinished item its the same as being mad cause that car door over there is the same as your car door its the extras that make it special looking and in this case it is the glow effect

[Pixela]

It's a terrible analogy, but you just don't get it, lol. It's not about being at "my level".


https://i.imgur.com/MvmQ7bw.jpg

You can tell a lot about a person by how they behave in online communities, it's often how they would act in real life if they had the ability to do so.

[Sp1cyryan]

https://i.imgur.com/MvmQ7bw.jpg

You can tell a lot about a person by how they behave in online communities, it's often how they would act in real life if they had the ability to do so.

The projection and assumptions, man oh man, you just can't get enough.

If you need to invent the idea of some privileged class of XI players to justify your excessive mediocrity. Then go ahead, but we have access to the same information, the same equipment, and face the same obstacles. Unless you have some actual disability beyond this rationale. Then we are on an even playing field.

40m gil is not a lot of gil anymore. Hasn't been for a long time.

[Pixela]

You're so full of it, nobody thinks this way and neither do you. You're just showing off like you're some kind of 1% badass and everyone else is below you.

Come to Jeuno right now and give me 40m gil, share the wealth rich man.

It's ok, I know you wont. Cause you're full of it and you know as well as I do that 40m is a lot.

[Sp1cyryan]

You're so full of it, nobody thinks this way and neither do you. You're just showing off like you're some kind of 1% badass and everyone else is below you.

Come to Jeuno right now and give me 40m gil, share the wealth rich man.

It's ok, I know you wont. Cause you're full of it and you know as well as I do that 40m is a lot.

Thinking is hard.

[Pixela]

Thinking is hard.

maybe go take a nap if you're struggling

[Sp1cyryan]

maybe go take a nap if you're struggling

Too busy holding all this 40m.

[Pixela]

https://i.imgur.com/A4G0gGh.jpg

[Alhanelem]

You are blowing an item you can make in 6 hours completely out of proportion. You are beyond oversensitive about it. Get over it.
6 hours? Aren't there still multiple midnight waits and one conquest update? Not to mention the trials which definitely take more than a few minutes to do.

Anyway, anyone who thinks 40m is a lot hasn't ever turned in sparks to get gil. It's like a weekly allowance.

[Sp1cyryan]

6 hours? Aren't there still multiple midnight waits and one conquest update? Not to mention the trials which definitely take more than a few minutes to do.

Anyway, anyone who thinks 40m is a lot hasn't ever turned in sparks to get gil. It's like a weekly allowance.

6 hours for the final 75 item, and a chunk of trials done. They are quick. There's no more wait. It's a game day and 3 hours wait time for stage 1-4 to 75.
You can finish all the trials in a couple hours. I didn't actually make up the timeframe for that statement. It's based on experience from others doing it that fast.

[Pixela]

Anyway, anyone who thinks 40m is a lot hasn't ever turned in sparks to get gil. It's like a weekly allowance.

You get 1-2m a week from sparks.

Making 40m gil without merc work would probably take me 2 weeks, 1 if I went crazy. Most people it would probably take months or more.

40m is a lot of gil for most players.

[Immortal]

You are blowing an item you can make in 6 hours completely out of proportion. You are beyond oversensitive about it. Get over it.

This is such a stupid take. YOU get over it. Why do you have to fight people leaving opinions on an official forum? To me it looks like an issue you need to get over, not them. You are so oversensitive you are coming in here trying to stop anyone from leaving their own opinion. Looks to me like you are the one being oversensitive. Time does not mean the only factor, otherwise there are TONs of items these days that could simply be thrown into login points. Aeonics take little to no time either, AFK or purchase beads > kill easy NMs. So according to you its ok to put them onto login points. To be damned with the history of the item, the fact its in the lore, and so on.


Ok look I'm not gonna fight with someone who's fighting over nothing just one question for you does it make your charcter glow? Yes or no and if the answer Is no then I'll ask this why not finish the weapon instead of using a unfinished one? If looks matter the glow is part of that

Look, nobody gives a shit about your afterlgow. I had over two of them before your character was probably even created. Its not a consideration in the discussion and the only reason you're bringing it up is to try to gloat in a veiled way, pathetic in 2023 lol. We are all fighting over "nothing" on this board, its a 20 year old game that the very own company that runs it doesn't care about. Anything we discuss will be over "nothing" because barely anyone even knows this game is still online thanks to SE and their wonderful marketing.


The line is "can the real thing be told apart from the fake in any way?"

If the answer is yes, it's fine.

If you have an ageis and they have an aegist, we know who put in the effort to obtain an item and who spent their login points. Therefore in my opinion, it doesn't "minimize" your item, accomplishment, or investment, as you still have an aegis and they don't (unless of course, they have one of those too)


This is irrelevant. It's not the exact same item because it's not the exact same item. It has a different name, different stats, they can be posessed at the same time, etc.

It is a different item obtained in a different way with different attributes. That is good enough for me. There is no gray area here.

It's kind of like having two copies of a poster, one signed by the artist on the back and one not. People tend to place different values on something that is autographed over something that isn't. The two posters may look the same, but they are treated differently by different people. The same applies here.

You are entitled to your opinion, but for me you are wrong. They are essentially the exact same model with a slight shift in the face. The stats on the item aren't what my opinion is based on and I have explained that various times. I only mentioned the stats to explain to you why its still iconic and useful in todays game. For me, it is not simply about someone else pretending to have the item. Its about cheapening the image of the shield given that its in lore and iconic. You don't have to agree with my opinion but you aren't going to change it or minimize it by telling me I'm wrong.

I honestly feel like people are being purposely obtuse to devalue others opinions or forcefully change them. If only that logic worked in real life! You can take the exact same product and draw a smiley face on it and it would be ok! No copyrights need apply, its so a different item. Obviouisly if people saw problems with that, even though its not EXACTLY the same but looks similar, why wouldn't they have problems here? The same reasons, it devalues the original in various ways.

[Alhanelem]

6 hours for the final 75 item, and a chunk of trials done. They are quick. There's no more wait. It's a game day and 3 hours wait time for stage 1-4 to 75.
You can finish all the trials in a couple hours. I didn't actually make up the timeframe for that statement. It's based on experience from others doing it that fast.
well it's going to depend on the job. It definitely took me more than an hour or two to do the staff trials.

[Alhanelem]

They are essentially the exact same model with a slight shift in the face.I mean, that's perfect. If they aren't even visually the same, then as far as I'm concerned there is no problem whatsoever. Plus anyone with a real aegis has probably afterglowed it and thus it will glow and this thing does not. It is not hard to identify a real one.

I'm not wrong. If you can tell them apart, there is no minimizing of anything at all period. Frankly you shouldn't even be fooled at maximum visible range.

Any minimizing of accomplishment occurred years ago when they changed old dynamis and made getting relics stupid easy. This glamour item does little to nothing to change that. If you wanted to complain about this sort of thing you should have done it back then if I'm being honest with you. At that time I could understand feeling like your effort was cheapened. but today even the real thing doesn't take that much work.

[Sp1cyryan]

This is such a stupid take. YOU get over it. Why do you have to fight people leaving opinions on an official forum? To me it looks like an issue you need to get over, not them. You are so oversensitive you are coming in here trying to stop anyone from leaving their own opinion. Looks to me like you are the one being oversensitive. Time does not mean the only factor, otherwise there are TONs of items these days that could simply be thrown into login points. Aeonics take little to no time either, AFK or purchase beads > kill easy NMs. So according to you its ok to put them onto login points. To be damned with the history of the item, the fact its in the lore, and so on.

You are really bad at trying to reverse this. The only ones ranting and raving about "muh lore", "my achievements", etc is you, Pixela, etc.

This is a cosmetic item. Get over it.


well it's going to depend on the job. It definitely took me more than an hour or two to do the staff trials.

Trials for shield are much different. Go check them out. They are very fast in comparison. Which adds to why its even sillier to get worked up over it. People can do a whole shield start to finish + trials in ~6 hours.

[Immortal]

So when an artist copies a song and changes a few words around or copies a piece of art and simply draws a smiley face on it, according to you, thats ok. I really fail to see how you don't understand how it could devalue the original. Its essentially a free visual piece to copy the original and it cheapens the original for sure. It isn't perfect, what would be perfect is the example Pixela gave on the previous page. Make the shield rust colored or "old" and add that face on it. That would be perfect because its a different model and funny. This is the first time in the games history they've taken an item and copied it almost exactly and placed a smiley face on it for login points. The only other known instance is probably the Mindmelter staff which was essentially a recolor of Nirvana, which people also had problems with. Who knows if the people that voiced their disgust for that decision ended up stopping this from happening again until now.

[Immortal]

You are really bad at trying to reverse this. The only ones ranting and raving about "muh lore", "my achievements", etc is you, Pixela, etc.

This is a cosmetic item. Get over it.


We are leaving our opinions for them to read, its about the only thing that can be done. The only ones POSTING here, barely anyone posts on this forum except the same ~10 people including you. Everyone else is either in game or doesn't want to involve themselves because they don't want to deal with people like you who are shaming or actively discouraging people from leaving their opinions.

This being a cosmetic item doesn't matter, people have different opinions. YOU get over it, you are literally wasting space by posting here and being contrarian just to oppose peoples opinions

[Immortal]

I wish someone could directly answer this without back talk or going around it.

WHY, do you feel the need to be right and stamp out any opposing opinions? Why do you continue to tell people to "get over it" or enforce your opinion like its the only one that matters? This is specifically for Spicyryan and Alhalem.

-Why do you feel the need to stop us from writing our opinions?
-Why do you feel the need to exert your opinion as the correct one?

Really curious here, all these pages essentially go like this:

-I dont like this idea or thing, it sucks but oh well.

-STOP not liking this thing, you are dummy, you opinion don't matter.

Whatever happened to accepting differing opinions. You can debate the opinion but stop trying to devalue or cancel the persons opinion because you don't agree.

[Sp1cyryan]

So when an artist copies a song and changes a few words around or copies a piece of art and simply draws a smiley face on it, according to you, thats ok. I really fail to see how you don't understand how it could devalue the original. Its essentially a free visual piece to copy the original and it cheapens the original for sure. It isn't perfect, what would be perfect is the example Pixela gave on the previous page. Make the shield rust colored or "old" and add that face on it. That would be perfect because its a different model and funny. This is the first time in the games history they've taken an item and copied it almost exactly and placed a smiley face on it for login points. The only other known instance is probably the Mindmelter staff which was essentially a recolor of Nirvana, which people also had problems with. Who knows if the people that voiced their disgust for that decision ended up stopping this from happening again until now.

Stop engaging in false equivalence. It is really ignorant.


We are leaving our opinions for them to read, its about the only thing that can be done. The only ones POSTING here, barely anyone posts on this forum except the same ~10 people including you. Everyone else is either in game or doesn't want to involve themselves because they don't want to deal with people like you who are shaming or actively discouraging people from leaving their opinions.

This being a cosmetic item doesn't matter, people have different opinions. YOU get over it, you are literally wasting space by posting here and being contrarian just to oppose peoples opinions

So we have you, taking exception to something. While I find this hissy fit to be just that. The greater offender in this case is you for throwing said hissy fit. Reaching for any random and unfit analogy you can to try and prove a point. All while being rooted in nothing more than the ole feelsies and beyond pointless exclusivity of arguably no meaningful achievement (6ish hours!). All over something that isn't a big deal unless you are too emotionally invested.
No, that makes you the waste of space by posting. There is nothing contrarian for the sake of it. There is just as much reason to tell you "lol no" than there is for you to post.
So don't get it twisted for the sake of feeling better about your viewpoint being opposed. That is how interaction works. Which I shouldn't have to explain to you, and doesn't make it contrarian unless you just aren't intellectually honest.

I see there is another Backstreet Boyesque "tell me why~" rant after this one as well. Are you really so wrapped up in yourself that you can't fathom something this basic? We aren't planning an entire city from scratch here, sheesh.

It is a cosmetic item. Get over it. Aegis isn't special. You aren't special. Neither of our views on this matter.

[Sirmarki]

Making 40m gil without merc work would probably take me 2 weeks.

And you are here complaining about prestige of weapons/shields in the game, but at the same time ruining the game?

........... No words..

All posts of yours now disregarded.

[Immortal]

Stop engaging in false equivalence. It is really ignorant.



So we have you, taking exception to something. While I find this hissy fit to be just that. The greater offender in this case is you for throwing said hissy fit. Reaching for any random and unfit analogy you can to try and prove a point. All while being rooted in nothing more than the ole feelsies and beyond pointless exclusivity of arguably no meaningful achievement (6ish hours!). All over something that isn't a big deal unless you are too emotionally invested.
No, that makes you the waste of space by posting. There is nothing contrarian for the sake of it. There is just as much reason to tell you "lol no" than there is for you to post.
So don't get it twisted for the sake of feeling better about your viewpoint being opposed. That is how interaction works. Which I shouldn't have to explain to you, and doesn't make it contrarian unless you just aren't intellectually honest.

I see there is another Backstreet Boyesque "tell me why~" rant after this one as well. Are you really so wrapped up in yourself that you can't fathom something this basic? We aren't planning an entire city from scratch here, sheesh.

It is a cosmetic item. Get over it. Aegis isn't special. You aren't special. Neither of our views on this matter.

Uh yeah, its "feelsies" and all opinions. We are placing them here because we dislike this and maybe someone will see it. You are just posting to... be contrarian. No reason to your posts except to put peoples "feelsies" down. Literally wasting time and space. These forums were made for people to discuss the game and things that happen to said game, so our opinions are not out of place. If you don't care, GET OVER IT. Take your own advice because you aren't going to stop me from leaving my opinion whenever I please.

[Pixela]

And you are here complaining about prestige of weapons/shields in the game, but at the same time ruining the game?

........... No words..

All posts of yours now disregarded.

I have never done any merc work, even the endgame shell I was in before Aby never sold any HNM drops and instead we gave them away for free (BB items)

I stated "without merc work" not because I would ever do it but because many who say it's so easy to make gil do it this way, and that is really the only way you're going to make ridiculous amounts of gil in this game in a short amount of time consistently.

[Pixela]

The main reason I, Immortal and others are arguing things, is because we are aware most XI players will never engage even if they do care about them becasue this is just how it is. You have a handful of people who will make a fuss and everyone else won't, they will just quit the game in silence if they get doomed enough. So either we keep on arguing for things and against bad ideas or the game goes down the drain really fast with no resistance.

Most people will never complain when the game takes a negative turn, they will just stop being customers. Those people are why it's still profitable, it's important we keep as many on board as possible.

A game like ff11 that has lasted as long as it has (with a sub!) continues to succeed for a set of important psychological reasons, and if they undermine those reasons the whole house of cards will come falling down really fast. Undermining achievements is one of the best ways to destroy the will to engage with the games long winded progression / achievement systems. Just as undermining the serious tone of the game with "zany comedy" will start to chip away at the thick mystique / lore / feelings veneer that people have about the game and instead start to view it purely as a video game, and if that happens it's a 20 year old ps2 game and it's not going to hold up in the cold light of day anymore.

This is why I worry about things like Shadow Lord head mount, or Altana and Promathia garden pets or this stupid shield that apes something previously people held in high esteem.

The serious tone of the game, the way the developers always tried to make the game feel like a real place with real history and how they almost never broke the 4th wall is why so many people still hold it in such high regard. Even something like an Ambuscade dungeon had some people writing some lore as to why and how it exists in vana'diel, when most games would just say it's a dungeon in a video game go kill stuff.

[Sp1cyryan]

Uh yeah, its "feelsies" and all opinions. We are placing them here because we dislike this and maybe someone will see it. You are just posting to... be contrarian. No reason to your posts except to put peoples "feelsies" down. Literally wasting time and space. These forums were made for people to discuss the game and things that happen to said game, so our opinions are not out of place. If you don't care, GET OVER IT. Take your own advice because you aren't going to stop me from leaving my opinion whenever I please.

Well this answer tracks with your usual pattern. You have to keep asking "why" because you don't actually listen.

Trust me, I don't think anyone dissuade you from leaving your steamy opinion on the floor whenever and wherever you want. Don't be such a contrarian, Draylo, lol.

[zataz]

This very much mine glows good sir I don't like using unfinished items and it's not like arch names lord Is hard anymore

[zataz]

I mean, that's perfect. If they aren't even visually the same, then as far as I'm concerned there is no problem whatsoever. Plus anyone with a real aegis has probably afterglowed it and thus it will glow and this thing does not. It is not hard to identify a real one.

I'm not wrong. If you can tell them apart, there is no minimizing of anything at all period. Frankly you shouldn't even be fooled at maximum visible range.

Any minimizing of accomplishment occurred years ago when they changed old dynamis and made getting relics stupid easy. This glamour item does little to nothing to change that. If you wanted to complain about this sort of thing you should have done it back then if I'm being honest with you. At that time I could underastand feeling like your effort was cheapened. but today even the real thing doesn't take that much work.

This 100% that's what I don't get I said anyone who really cares has afterglowed it I didn't it for the glow it's not like arch names lord I'd hard I can one hit him on my war with rag and resolution lol

[zataz]

Nobody cares about your afterglow, none of it is impressive. Its the principle and idea behind the item. Ask yourself, are you ok with every REMA being reskinned as a lv1 lockstyle item? If you are, you probably don't care that much about this game.

You know it's funny. how you think wearing and using a unfinished item = better then the guy who cares enouph to finish it. also saying the fact I took my aegis and my much rarer ochain isn't impressive... your kinda knocking your own stance on this. Please think about it before you reply arguing the way you are makes no sense and you can't win. a unfinished item can't be better then a finished one in trying to be nice here. (And ya arch names lords a easy one hit so no reason not to finish anymore)

[zataz]

Well this answer tracks with your usual pattern. You have to keep asking "why" because you don't actually listen.

Trust me, I don't think anyone dissuade you from leaving your steamy opinion on the floor whenever and wherever you want. Don't be such a contrarian, Draylo, lol.

Read what he said to me lol in the post above lol but you are right no one cares if they voice there thoughts. But they act like the look of the shield(a unfinished item) is important and tell me glowing it doesn't matter I mean I glowed it for the look and I respect how they feel but isn't the "glow" part of the look?

[zataz]

This is such a stupid take. YOU get over it. Why do you have to fight people leaving opinions on an official forum? To me it looks like an issue you need to get over, not them. You are so oversensitive you are coming in here trying to stop anyone from leaving their own opinion. Looks to me like you are the one being oversensitive. Time does not mean the only factor, otherwise there are TONs of items these days that could simply be thrown into login points. Aeonics take little to no time either, AFK or purchase beads > kill easy NMs. So according to you its ok to put them onto login points. To be damned with the history of the item, the fact its in the lore, and so on.



Look, nobody gives a shit about your afterlgow. I had over two of them before your character was probably even created. Its not a consideration in the discussion and the only reason you're bringing it up is to try to gloat in a veiled way, pathetic in 2023 lol. We are all fighting over "nothing" on this board, its a 20 year old game that the very own company that runs it doesn't care about. Anything we discuss will be over "nothing" because barely anyone even knows this game is still online thanks to SE and their wonderful marketing.



You are entitled to your opinion, but for me you are wrong. They are essentially the exact same model with a slight shift in the face. The stats on the item aren't what my opinion is based on and I have explained that various times. I only mentioned the stats to explain to you why its still iconic and useful in todays game. For me, it is not simply about someone else pretending to have the item. Its about cheapening the image of the shield given that its in lore and iconic. You don't have to agree with my opinion but you aren't going to change it or minimize it by telling me I'm wrong.

I honestly feel like people are being purposely obtuse to devalue others opinions or forcefully change them. If only that logic worked in real life! You can take the exact same product and draw a smiley face on it and it would be ok! No copyrights need apply, its so a different item. Obviouisly if people saw problems with that, even though its not EXACTLY the same but looks similar, why wouldn't they have problems here? The same reasons, it devalues the original in various ways.

Lol I'll take you up on that I started in 2004 when did you start?

[zataz]

http://www.playonline.com/ff11/campaign/login/imgs/login119/pickup_en.png?170601

This is really stupid.

Can you not?

You are devaluing one of the most iconic REMA people spent hundreds to thousands of hours making for a joke login item, it looks identical to an Aegis unless you're really close to it. So level 1 mules will effectively have a prestige REMA now.

At least change the color?

You are ruining the prestige of the item

inb4 it's funny tho, from people who don't understand the greater issues and how an item that gives a laugh for a few minutes now will be in the game forever after

Ok look be real with me. think about what I'm asking and give me how you honestly see it.
I know you all are too lazy to finish said item. ok
Question aegis power is its ability to break the mdt cap. That's were its value lies. How it looks honestly doesn't matter it could look like a trash can lid and if it does what it does it would still be used. My question is in combat how does its looks affect its combat ability?
I'm listen explain it to me pls. Tell me how it loses shield bash or its mdt ability cause the other shield looks like it...
I'll be waiting with anticipation and bated breath for your answer.

[Sirmarki]

cause the other shield looks like it...

The face on the shield is different, so it's not entirely a clone.

[Pixela]

I'm listen explain it to me pls.

Firstly it's not a personal argument, I don't play Paladin. I usually make arguments I think are in the best interests of the game and why people play it (because I want it to continue as long as possible)

Lets say there was a Marathon race and everyone trained for months to participate, then people were awarded $ and obtained a gold, silver and bronze medal for 1-3 winning slots.

Then everyone got a participation gold medal that looked almost identical to the winning gold medal.

Do you think that would undermine the win in the eyes of the gold, silver and bronze medal winners as everyone else has the gold medals around their necks? do you think it might mean less participants next year?

If you aren't sure, why risk it at all?

It's a totally worthless login item that might hurt the game, so either why do it at all or change it to look less like aegis with color swaps to rectify the potential issues.

[Sp1cyryan]

Read what he said to me lol in the post above lol but you are right no one cares if they voice there thoughts. But they act like the look of the shield(a unfinished item) is important and tell me glowing it doesn't matter I mean I glowed it for the look and I respect how they feel but isn't the "glow" part of the look?

Too emotionally invested to let any random thing encroach on their random lines in the sand on a video game.


Lol I'll take you up on that I started in 2004 when did you start?

Go ahead, and ask him why they had a second afterglow of the same weapon. Don't worry he won't be fully honest. As has been demonstrated on multiple occasions over various subjects, and not just this one.

Just wow at the"I had two After Glows before your character was even made."
Okay, Boomer Draylo.

[Immortal]

You know it's funny. how you think wearing and using a unfinished item = better then the guy who cares enouph to finish it. also saying the fact I took my aegis and my much rarer ochain isn't impressive... your kinda knocking your own stance on this. Please think about it before you reply arguing the way you are makes no sense and you can't win. a unfinished item can't be better then a finished one in trying to be nice here. (And ya arch names lords a easy one hit so no reason not to finish anymore)

Gloating again, nobody cares about your afterglows. My opinion had nothing to do with the rarity of the item, I repeated myself enough so go read.

[Immortal]

Too emotionally invested to let any random thing encroach on their random lines in the sand on a video game.



Go ahead, and ask him why they had a second afterglow of the same weapon. Don't worry he won't be fully honest. As has been demonstrated on multiple occasions over various subjects, and not just this one.

Just wow at the"I had two After Glows before your character was even made."
Okay, Boomer Draylo.

Once again you have no idea what you are talking about, so embarrassing. Go ahead and tell him your rumors. You are acting like you have some card up your sleeve here. I assure you, you have nothing. This is the second time you 've brought it up, so go ahead and get it off your chest so you can feel better.

[Immortal]

Read what he said to me lol in the post above lol but you are right no one cares if they voice there thoughts. But they act like the look of the shield(a unfinished item) is important and tell me glowing it doesn't matter I mean I glowed it for the look and I respect how they feel but isn't the "glow" part of the look?

You are acting like they are different items. One has a glow and one doesn't but they are the same model for the shield, it has literally 0 relevance in the current discussion. You are trying to say you are the authority on if its ok to use the shield model or not for the login point item simply because you afterglowed yours and everyone else who didn't doesn't have a right to an opinion.

Its just a veiled manner of gloating that you afterglowed, and its not impressive in 2023 so its really cringe actually. I had one of the first afterglows ever made in FFXI, and they essentially destroyed and erased my achievement when they updated REMA, I voiced my opinion too then. But because all the dummies never had an afterglow or a chance to make it, they were perfectly fine with giving everyone and their grandma an afterglow because I was in the minority.

[Immortal]

The face on the shield is different, so it's not entirely a clone.

If only that worked in RL with art, we could copy something exactly and draw a smiley face on it. That shouldn't devalue the original or cause anyone to be upset right

[Sp1cyryan]

Once again you have no idea what you are talking about, so embarrassing. Go ahead and tell him your rumors. You are acting like you have some card up your sleeve here. I assure you, you have nothing. This is the second time you 've brought it up, so go ahead and get it off your chest so you can feel better.

I did say you wouldn't be fully honest, but that is okay as it was expected.

[Immortal]

Well don't leave people hanging, we all like entertaining rumors. I get a laugh out of them myself, only a handful of people truly know me or anything related to me as I don't play with many players as you know. So go ahead and give everyone a good laugh, or are you just going to keep acting coy like you have some trap card ready to spring. You clearly keep bringing it up for a reason. Literally 10+ years later and people still bringing the most random rumors out of the woodwork (and dont use the current convo as an excuse, as you brought this up before anything was mentioned in a different thread.)

[Sp1cyryan]

I did say you wouldn't be fully honest, but that is okay as it was expected.

:cool: :cool:

[Immortal]

You have to ask Wookiee on Leviathan. I always wanted to ask him how, as he know what went down.

[Sp1cyryan]

You have to ask Wookiee on Leviathan. I always wanted to ask him how, as he know what went down.

We would have to ask someone else. Seeing as there is a regular refusal to own up or take responsibility when given the opportunity.

[Immortal]

I mean, he's the only one that knows. Are you writing a book? 10 years later, lol

[Alhanelem]

WHY, do you feel the need to be right and stamp out any opposing opinions? Why do you continue to tell people to "get over it" or enforce your opinion like its the only one that matters? This is specifically for Spicyryan and Alhalem.

-Why do you feel the need to stop us from writing our opinions?
-Why do you feel the need to exert your opinion as the correct one?
1) I have never felt a need, nor have I ever attempted to, stop you from writing opinions. I don't have the ability to do so even if I wanted to.
2) I do not feel the need, nor have I ever, felt the need to exert an opinion as the correct one. I will passionately argue for my position, and if other people care about their opinions, I certainly expect them to argue theirs with the same enthusiasm.

This is a forum. we're supposed to discuss and argue our ideas, thoughts and opinions. My question to you is why do you feel the need to complain about people using forums for their intended purpose?




-STOP not liking this thing, you are dummy, you opinion don't matter. I can't speak for anyone other than myself, but I h ave never called anyone a dummy and I never said stop liking this thing. I never said anyone's opinion didn't matter either, outside of maybe the odd case where an opinion doesn't matter on the sole basis that, well, XYZ thing is set in stone and won't ever be changed, where everyone's opinion doesn't matter i.e. something is a moot point to discuss.

[zataz]

Firstly it's not a personal argument, I don't play Paladin. I usually make arguments I think are in the best interests of the game and why people play it (because I want it to continue as long as possible)

Lets say there was a Marathon race and everyone trained for months to participate, then people were awarded $ and obtained a gold, silver and bronze medal for 1-3 winning slots.

Then everyone got a participation gold medal that looked almost identical to the winning gold medal.

Do you think that would undermine the win in the eyes of the gold, silver and bronze medal winners as everyone else has the gold medals around their necks? do you think it might mean less participants next year?

If you aren't sure, why risk it at all?

It's a totally worthless login item that might hurt the game, so either why do it at all or change it to look less like aegis with color swaps to rectify the potential issues.

I respect your point of view that said and maybe this is just me. I don't care what something looks like or what looks like it if something gives me a advantage in fighting mobs I want it. I don't care what others have or don't have. I take care of the people who take care of me. Also to make my point. what does the gold medel do for me that the silver can't?
Do I run faster? Jump farther? Aegis has a clear advantage over other shields. What will you say if the new shield ends up replacing aegis like it did ochain? I mean I should complain cause my actual hard work was pushed aside but you know what I'm making the new shield so it's w/e

[Sirmarki]

If only that worked in RL with art, we could copy something exactly and draw a smiley face on it. That shouldn't devalue the original or cause anyone to be upset right

If there is a clear differential (which there is) then it's not going to be a problem.

[Pixela]

A successful mmorpg is more about understanding human psychology and human instinctive behavior in groups than anything else.

If you have 1000 people on a server, and one of them works hard and achieves some goal and is then rewarded with a visual trophy for that effort they will feel good because our lizard brains reward us for increasing our status in groups with dopamine. In-turn, others will want to emulate you, again becasue of your visibly higher status and as such this simple trophy rewards you and encourages others to engage with the achievement system across the board. aka visible reward is very important.

Increased STATS are good in your dungeon groups because you perform better among your direct peers, but visual rewards show the entire community you walk past that you put the effort in and have built a higher status character and it makes you feel happier. (inb4 I don't care about that cause I'm an individual! we all do, it's how all of our brains work at a fundamental level whether you like it or not. It is no different than being happy when you're with friends, eating a nice meal or other similar action your brain perceives as being good for you and rewards you for those actions with dopamine)

If you give everyone that same visual trophy for no effort you are disincentivizing working on things that increase your status in a community, which is a massive part of why people play FF11.

Even if there are better status building trophies now you're still a) undermining the core principle of the effort and reward system in a sub conscious manner with the most famous REMA in the game - from a developer and b) ripping the floor out from under mid status players who put a lot of effort (for them) to get it and will never get the high status items you have (escutcheons etc).

This is far less important in a game like FF14 because much of the status in that game is built around cash shop purchases and they did that by design to sell more of them (and they surely do), FF11 status is almost exclusively obtained from effort because it came out before cash shops were a widely accepted thing. This is why players get so mad about bots, mercs or gil buying. Because it bypasses the work for reward system of the game with real world shortcuts and undermines their accomplishments.

As such, if you give away an extremely well known and desired trophy for free to everyone you are undermining a core foundation of the game, in a very visible way in the minds of the players and this is really stupid, when it's a worthless login item.

All the stuff above is why I personally considered Odyssey gear to be badly designed, becasue it made the visual trophy fairly easy to get and didn't add any extra visual reward like a red light on the chest such as VW bodies or something for maxing it. Doing this would of made it far more desired to max across the board. However that pales in comparison to this login item.

Added to this, they are making the stupid joke item be so utterly widespread that everyone will automatically assume you wearing a real Aegis are actually just wearing the joke one so not only will it have no value but will instantly be perceived as a stupid joke item.

This is one of the most stupid things I've seen a developer do and why I and others have been trying so hard to get him to at the bare minimum change the color of the shield.

[Sp1cyryan]

I mean, he's the only one that knows. Are you writing a book? 10 years later, lol

The usual second-rate deflection. What's age got to do with it? A book? Cute, lol.

[Haldarn]

I mean I'm hyper-casual and unfocussed and I have an afterglow relic and hundreds of millions in the bank (gobbie box keeps chucking out these 140mil belts...). It'd probably take me a whole weekend to get an Aegis by the sounds, but I cba just yet because I'm farming Ferine Seals for BST that I don't play.


Does anyone think that there's a link between RA Salvatore's Icewind Dale trilogy, what with Aegis/Aegist being similarly named to Wulfgar's Aegis Fang and his best mate Regis the halfling having the same name as the +1 version? Or sheer coincidence?

SLASH THREAD

[Immortal]

The usual second-rate deflection. What's age got to do with it? A book? Cute, lol.

What does any of it have to do with anything in this conversation? Take your own advice kid, "gET OvEr IT"

[Sp1cyryan]

What does any of it have to do with anything in this conversation? Take your own advice kid, "gET OvEr IT"

This is a really transparent and dishonest response. Par for the course, but you know what you are doing here (I hope) .

[Pixela]

The thread was never to win the argument, this is something that I thought was genuinely bad for the game. Even matsui pulled a weird face when he found out they added an april fools item to the game in the digest.

It's sad he didn't listen, and I have the feeling this is just the begging since they added a replica storage slip now.

[Alhanelem]

The thread was never to win the argument, this is something that I thought was genuinely bad for the game.It's a cosmetic item. It is no more bad for the game than any other cosmetic item. It is clearly identifiable and distinguishable from the real items. No person with any intelligence or observation skills at all is going to be confused, nor think less or more of a player for having or not having this vanity item.

This is being massively overblown by its detractors.

[Immortal]

It's a cosmetic item. It is no more bad for the game than any other cosmetic item. It is clearly identifiable and distinguishable from the real items. No person with any intelligence or observation skills at all is going to be confused, nor think less or more of a player for having or not having this vanity item.

This is being massively overblown by its detractors.

Says you, in your personal opinion. This is not fact, this is not true for everyone.

[Alhanelem]

Says you, in your personal opinion. This is not fact, this is not true for everyone.
It iis my opinion that this is in fact fact, and true for everyone. Being offended by someone having this item, or confusing it for something else (particularly after not thinking to check considering anyone debating this, posessing the item or aegis or the upgraded item knows of its existence) can be explained by nothing less than being deliberately oblivious/ignorant.

You yourself are aware of these things and thus cannot logically argue that this is harmful in any way.

I already explained earlier: I know full well and have had personal experience with a promised exclusive or special thing no longer being such. This is not in any way that kind of situation, and making it out to be one when it in fact is not is at best disingenuous.

I possesss a number of exclusive mounts and armor sets from The Feast ranked play in FFXIV over a dozen seasons prior to its removal. Since then, similar looking items that are not the same items have been made available to people who never participated in this. I have no problem with it, because I know the thing they have is not the same as the thing that I have, and was not obtained in the same way with the same effort. This is no different. And as others have said probably multiple times at this point, Aegis is already so common that this argument is pretty much moot in the first place. It's not a special accomplishment and even arguing that it's minimized by a similar looking vanity item is silly because it already doesn't amount to much. Why weren't you and the others in an uproar when relics got easier to obtain? That was a lot more "minimizing of an accomplishment" than this fake vanity clone could ever hope to be. Frankly I'm stunned that this argument is even taking place, it is that trivial.

[Immortal]

You are trying to exert your opinion as fact, it is not. This was brought to the attention of the devs from people who dislike it. You've said your piece so now you are just upping your post count essentially.

[Immortal]

You've changed your post like 50 times and still are stating your opinion again, lol.

[Sp1cyryan]

Says you, in your personal opinion. This is not fact, this is not true for everyone.

The fact you feel this strongly about a vanity item is concerning.

[Dragoy]

The Ageist itself is kind of legendary... well, the face on it... albeit outside Vana'diel... but still!

That is, the hyottoko, or hi otoko (fire man Edit: forgot to mention the Blaze Spikes enchantment here), and while I can't really think of an FFXI reference from it, I do find it at least slightly amusing. (Perhaps they were just reading/watching Kimetsu no Yaiba/Demon Slayer while thinking of something to do with a shield and a face on it.)

There's also a bit of a play on words (or rather katakana) going on with its names on the Japanese side:

Aegis = イージス = Iijisu
Ageist = えぇぢす = Eegisu
Regis = いぃぢす = Iigisu

Or at least that's how I read them (I'm no expert). It's just slightly different ways of spelling the word.

On the English side, I guess they might have played with the R being somewhat similar to A, Aegis and Regis looking a bit similar if you look quickly, and maybe squint a touch.

It's goofy fun, but no, I would not want them to do this for everything else similar going forward either. Edit: Also yeah, having it in even just a slightly different colour would be more fun, like it isn't a perfect copy in that regard (either).

What comes to the other April 1, 2023 (JST) Version Update notes posted on Thursday, March 30 (UTC), I'm most looking forward to the option to turn everything off (the Courier job and investigating 10,000 floors of Nyzul might be interesting too!)...

https://i.imgur.com/iUj9D7R.png

[Sp1cyryan]

The Ageist itself is kind of legendary... well, the face on it... albeit outside Vana'diel... but still!

That is, the hyottoko, or hi otoko (fire man), and while I can't really think of an FFXI reference from it, I do find it at least slightly amusing. (Perhaps they were just reading/watching Kimetsu no Yaiba/Demon Slayer while thinking of something to do with a shield and a face on it.)

There's also a bit of a play on words (or rather katakana) going on with its names on the Japanese side:

Aegis = イージス = Iijisu
Ageist = えぇぢす = Eegisu
Regis = いぃぢす = Iigisu

Or at least that's how I read them (I'm no expert). It's just slightly different ways of spelling the word.

On the English side, I guess they might have played with the R being somewhat similar to A, Aegis and Regis looking a bit similar if you look quickly, and maybe squint a touch.

It's goofy fun, but no, I would not want them to do this for everything else similar going forward either.

What comes to the other April 1, 2023 (JST) Version Update notes posted on Thursday, March 30 (UTC), I'm most looking forward to the option to turn everything off (the Courier job and investigating 10,000 floors of Nyzul might be interesting too!)...

https://i.imgur.com/iUj9D7R.png

Draylo could use that turn everything off feature to stop and take a deep breath.

[Pixela]

Why are you so fixated with your them and us argument style, if you said something I agree with I would agree with you. You seem steadfast set on disagreeing with someone based purely on who said it because you think they are your enemy.

I really do not understand why you do this because ultimately we are on the same side of liking the game and wanting the best for it, it's almost as if you would welcome a bad outcome if in the process you could prove someone you don't like wrong.

[Immortal]

The fact you feel this strongly about a vanity item is concerning.

This strongly... by posting on a forum in a thread created for the discussion. How exactly is that "feeling strongly"? I think you are the one who feels strongly about this because you are trying your hardest, across multiple threads, to force me to change my opinion or attack me personally for my opinion. You are bringing up things that have nothing to do with the discussion to personally attack me. How in the world do you think I am taking it more strongly than you lol.


Why are you so fixated with your them and us argument style, if you said something I agree with I would agree with you. You seem steadfast set on disagreeing with someone based purely on who said it because you think they are your enemy.

I really do not understand why you do this because ultimately we are on the same side of liking the game and wanting the best for it, it's almost as if you would welcome a bad outcome if in the process you could prove someone you don't like wrong.

The truth, as explained to me by various people, is that he is on the spectrum. He fixates on certain details or issues with people and becomes obsessed. You can see how he constantly name drops his "enemies" and tries to dig at anything possible to personally attack them. Here we are all discussing something about a video game and our likes/dislikes and he comes in with personal attacks, name drops, trying to do anything to hurt/shame/disparage people who he considers his enemy. It's really weird and a shame that someone like this can't be reasoned with. I have even tried to PM him elsewhere to discuss what his issues are and he just posts word soups and nonsense, like trolling but not from a 12 year old, from someone not well.

I think at this point most of the diehards of this game are probably older and all have their own issues, so sadly you have to have that in mind when you are faced with someone doing something really odd.

[Alhanelem]

On the English side, I guess they might have played with the R being somewhat similar to A, Aegis and Regis looking a bit similar if you look quickly, and maybe squint a touch.Well "Ageist" is a word which means one who discriminates based on age.



The truth, as explained to me by various people, is that he is on the spectrum. It's called a spectrum for a reason, there are a range of different circumstances described by it, and it would be best to be careful about unintentionally disparaging others on this spectrum by stereotyping it.

We are not "sick" or "not well," and I strongly take issue with your use of this.

[Immortal]

Can barely tell the difference from a distance, just like I said. I even have the Aegis HD'd lol.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/114221382165856262/1106409405915869214/img_20230511_223342.jpg

As you see, more people share the same opinion. Nobody wants this for all REMA, so hopefully it stops here.

[Alhanelem]

Can barely tell the difference from a distance, just like I said. I even have the Aegis HD'd lol.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/114221382165856262/1106409405915869214/img_20230511_223342.jpg

As you see, more people share the same opinion. Nobody wants this for all REMA, so hopefully it stops here.
I can see it clearly in your image, and my vision is horrible.

They never stated any plans to do a full range of relic vanity clones. This item was specifically "added" in the april fools update notes, and if you watched the May Digest, you'd see they simply decided to add it to the game after inventing it on the fly for the april fools joke. Thus, this item exists specifically because of that.

[Immortal]

Whos to say they wont continue doing that with other items? The backlash for the Mindmelter staff could have prevented that from happening again, hopefully this thread was read and they see not everyone liked the idea, thats the whole point in the discussion.

You can see what clearly? They look almost exactly the same lol

[Alhanelem]

Whos to say they wont continue doing that with other items? The backlash for the Mindmelter staff could have prevented that from happening again, hopefully this thread was read and they see not everyone liked the idea, thats the whole point in the discussion.

You can see what clearly? They look almost exactly the same lol
Almost the same != the same

I mean seriously, do I need to make the pixels bigger for you? I can clearly distinguish those two shields as different items.

As I said, this item specifically exists because they did it as an april fools joke and somebody decided "well let's make it real." Please don't start with the slippery slope logic.

[Sp1cyryan]

Whos to say they wont continue doing that with other items? The backlash for the Mindmelter staff could have prevented that from happening again, hopefully this thread was read and they see not everyone liked the idea, thats the whole point in the discussion.

You can see what clearly? They look almost exactly the same lol

Backlash for Mindmelter? Maybe in your world again, but just as with Aegist, only the people with a problem clearly beyond the game are howling about it being some great insult, lol.


The problem with stuff like this is people just don't bother to think of the psychological aspect of it, which is important because the entire game is founded in psychology and that's why you keep playing the game as long as you do. It appeals to your lizard brain in different ways.

it's a sweet wrapper, then over time you start to just assume every butterfly is actually just a sweet wrapper and the little bit of joy that thing used to give you is obliterated.

Just stop with the constant attempts to claim "psychology". Not only are you doing it wrong, but you shouldn't.

[Immortal]

Backlash for Mindmelter? Maybe in your world again, but just as with Aegist, only the people with a problem clearly beyond the game are howling about it being some great insult, lol.



Just stop with the constant attempts to claim "psychology". Not only are you doing it wrong, but you shouldn't.

We just have to keep repeating things for you, I'm sure you'll get it eventually. Who is "howling"? Writing an opinion in a thread, where everyone is discussing said thing, is not howling or beyond normal. The only one with a problem beyond the game is you, and its been explained to you various times as to why.

[Pixela]

An interesting observation, nobody really seems to want this shield anyway.

I roamed around and I saw more real Aegis than this thing, and the only ones wearing one were dressed like clowns in every slot. By comparison I saw a lot of people wearing the denim jeans after they added those.

[Alhanelem]

An interesting observation, nobody really seems to want this shield anyway.

I roamed around and I saw more real Aegis than this thing, and the only ones wearing one were dressed like clowns in every slot. By comparison I saw a lot of people wearing the denim jeans after they added those.Entirely subjective, and I've seen many people with it. Crap isn't true just because you wrote it.

[Gwydion]

To be honest, they should have done more to make this item a joke. Break-off the top right quadrant of the shield. Make it look broken / damaged, easy to discern from a distance.

[Alhanelem]

I don't understand why "distance" is a requirement. I can discern it at a distance just fine, but as long as I can tell it apart at all, I don't see the issue. It's a different item, period. Whether you can "tell from a distance" or not. In the screenshots earlier in the th read, I could clearly see two different shields and they weren't that close.

Aside from that, this is far, far from the only item in the game that looks similar to another item. And no one's ever had a problem with that before.

[Immortal]

Why do you keep repeating your opinion over and over? You know you are trying to force it like its the only way to think, just stop. You've said your piece literally 50 times in this thread. What a shocker, not everyone thinks like you. Let other people voice their opinions jeeze.



Aside from that, this is far, far from the only item in the game that looks similar to another item. And no one's ever had a problem with that before.


Its a REMA, no other REMA has had its exact model copied and a smiley face placed on it.

[Alhanelem]

Why do you keep repeating your opinion over and over? You know you are trying to force it like its the only way to think, just stop. You've said your piece literally 50 times in this thread. What a shocker, not everyone thinks like you. Let other people voice their opinions jeeze.



Its a REMA, no other REMA has had its exact model copied and a smiley face placed on it.
And by the accounts of multiple users in this thread REMAs are not accomplishments or anything special. And lots of items, including REMAs have had their exact models copied and pasted. You keep qualifying this to justify it. An Aegis isn't anything sspecial, it's been said many times and not just by me. And Aegist is a diffent item, identifiable as different in multiple ways. It doesn't do anything remarkable and has essentially no stats. No one not in this thread is going to be confused.

[Immortal]

Why do you keep repeating your opinion over and over? You know you are trying to force it like its the only way to think, just stop. You've said your piece literally 50 times in this thread. What a shocker, not everyone thinks like you. Let other people voice their opinions jeeze.



Its a REMA, no other REMA has had its exact model copied and a smiley face placed on it.

Opinon :eek::eek::eek:

[Pixela]

Entirely subjective, and I've seen many people with it. Crap isn't true just because you wrote it.

No it's not at all, I literally logged into asura and roamed around the busy spots and counted.

I saw about 8-9 Aegis and 3 ageist.

You're so emotionally invested in arguing against me on anything, it's funny.

[Rosalie]

I see a lot of complaining for nothing. I suppose you don't remember the Excalipoor/Excalipoor II? I also see Mindmelter invoked here, but I don't see people crying about the Molybdosis/Death Penalty.

[Immortal]

I see a lot of complaining for nothing. I suppose you don't remember the Excalipoor/Excalipoor II? I also see Mindmelter invoked here, but I don't see people crying about the Molybdosis/Death Penalty.

Been mentioned over 5 times, and explained over 5 times. Guess you didn't read any of the thread.

[Sp1cyryan]

Why do you keep repeating your opinion over and over? You know you are trying to force it like its the only way to think, just stop. You've said your piece literally 50 times in this thread. What a shocker, not everyone thinks like you. Let other people voice their opinions jeeze.



Its a REMA, no other REMA has had its exact model copied and a smiley face placed on it.

Ironic for you, who always repeats their opinion ad nauseam. To criticize others for reasserting something.

[Alhanelem]

No it's not at all, I literally logged into asura and roamed around the busy spots and counted.

I saw about 8-9 Aegis and 3 ageist.

You're so emotionally invested in arguing against me on anything, it's funny.I have zero emotional investment in you, you're just living in this fantasy land where everyone cares about you and your silly opinions.

You also say this like that's not a significant number. Also: having an aegis doesn't exclude you from having an ageist or its upgraded equivalent. Some people may like the alternate look even if they have the real thing. Maybe shiva just has more players who aren't offended by this thing? I don't know. But I can promise you I've seen a higher ratio of these items than what you claim. I'm not sure why it's important though.

[Alhanelem]

Been mentioned over 5 times, and explained over 5 times. Guess you didn't read any of the thread.The explanation is flawed, and doesn't really address the logic as to why Aegis is a problem but those items are not. It's been oft cited that "Aegis is "iconic." Frankly I think Excalibur falls under that moniker as well, but what the hell do I know?

[Catmato]

The explanation is flawed, and doesn't really address the logic as to why Aegis is a problem but those items are not. It's been oft cited that "Aegis is "iconic." Frankly I think Excalibur falls under that moniker as well, but what the hell do I know?

Excalipoor doesn't share the same or even a similar model. Most people don't even know what guns look like because they aren't show on a player's model unless they're shooting. Mindmelter has a significantly different color scheme.

[Pixela]

I have zero emotional investment in you, you're just living in this fantasy land where everyone cares about you and your silly opinions.

You're in my thread arguing against my opinion. It's fine to disagree but you're arguing against literally everything, you even argued against what I saw in the game an then when you lost that point you fell back on arguing that 3 is a significant number.

How are you not being purely contrarian?

[Sp1cyryan]

You're in my thread arguing against my opinion. It's fine to disagree but you're arguing against literally everything, you even argued against what I saw in the game an then when you lost that point you fell back on arguing that 3 is a significant number.

How are you not being purely contrarian?

Give it a rest, Lindart.

[Pixela]

https://i.imgur.com/UZBdVmq.jpg

He can speak for himself, he doesn't need you to defend him.

[Sp1cyryan]

He can speak for himself, he doesn't need you to defend him.

I'm not defending him. Don't be so silly.

[Immortal]

https://i.imgur.com/UZBdVmq.jpg

He can speak for himself, he doesn't need you to defend him.

lol! too funny

[Immortal]

The explanation is flawed, and doesn't really address the logic as to why Aegis is a problem but those items are not. It's been oft cited that "Aegis is "iconic." Frankly I think Excalibur falls under that moniker as well, but what the hell do I know?

I'll give you my explanation again since you so deeply need it

-Does not use the exact same model with a smiley face drawn on it
-I suggested they do this shield in a similar style because I like the Excalipoor, which does have history in FF and was a funny addition
-No other REMA in the game has its EXACT model/color taken and given as a level 1 lockstyle with a smiley face drawn on it
--I did not like Mindmelter, I did not like the Death penalty copy, the only thing to be said about those is they come from harder NMs (for its era) but I still disliked their additions.

Stop trying to twist my words of my opinion to belittle it. We are all entitled to our opinions and you don't have to force yours on others :)

[Alhanelem]

-Does not use the exact same model with a smiley face drawn on itAs long as they're visually distinguishable, the model is irrelevant



-I suggested they do this shield in a similar style because I like the Excalipoor, which does have history in FF and was a funny additionIt is "in a similar style." again, the model is irrelevant, it just has to not look identical. And it doesn't.



-No other REMA in the game has its EXACT model/color taken and given as a level 1 lockstyle with a smiley face drawn on it
Splitting hairs. It's not identical. Period.


--I did not like Mindmelter, I did not like the Death penalty copy, the only thing to be said about those is they come from harder NMs (for its era) but I still disliked their additions. That's fine but there was no uproar about those like there was here, despite the same situation.


Stop trying to twist my words of my opinion to belittle it. We are all entitled to our opinions and you don't have to force yours on others https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/images/smilies/smile.pngI'm not twisting your words in any way, I'm simply disputing your statements because they are flawed.

All they have to do is add 1 stray polygon and it's not the same model, so let's have them do that, then your only even slightly close to maybe but not really being valid argument against this is knocked down.

I'm just as entitled to my opinion as you are to yours, but I'm also entitled to disagree with it and give my reasons why.

Your chief argument is that it uses "the same model." Even though it looks different. There are TONS and TONS of items in this game that share the same model. That doesn't make them the same item. Hell, there are many items that are 100% identical in appearance but have different attribtues. Few to no peopel complain that those items look alike, whether they're notable items or not.

[Alhanelem]

lol! too funny
Funny, but blatantly inaccurate, as SPicy isn't even close to being a white knight, in fact I'd argue he's more cyincal and dark-knighty than most people here with maybe one exception.

You really aren't any better than the people you're mocking. I don't mock you or anyone in general terms, I address your points and refute them, but I don't make fun of you.

[Sp1cyryan]

Funny, but blatantly inaccurate, as SPicy isn't even close to being a white knight, in fact I'd argue he's more cyincal and dark-knighty than most people here with maybe one exception.

You really aren't any better than the people you're mocking. I don't mock you or anyone in general terms, I address your points and refute them, but I don't make fun of you.

As much as you completely lack charisma. You are at least of some general self-awareness with a regard for reasoning. By contrast, a godly amount. While also not at the whim of a limited emotional range. The bar is pretty low for all of us. So, you get a gold star sticker.

At least Pix has somewhat of an excuse, but not Draylo.

[Alhanelem]

As much as you completely lack charisma. You are at least of some general self-awareness with a regard for reasoning. By contrast, a godly amount. While also not at the whim of a limited emotional range. The bar is pretty low for all of us. So, you get a gold star sticker.

At least Pix has somewhat of an excuse, but not Draylo.
That's probably the nicest thing anyone said to me all day. Even if it wasn't that nice. lol

[Pixela]

Seeing you two gush over each other is adorable. I think that's the first time helm has ever typed lol in his life.

[Zehira]

https://media.tenor.com/SaZBJ6ZWqbEAAAAC/gay-ring.gif

[Alhanelem]

Seeing you two gush over each other is adorable. I think that's the first time helm has ever typed lol in his life.
Gush? are you kidding me? did you even read his post lol

[Sp1cyryan]

Gush? are you kidding me? did you even read his post lol

Of course not.

[Stuzey]

Guys, off topic, why do we have to have this pointless bickering between you, it doesn't matter....

On topic, I kind of get it, making a joke item out of something people worked hard for, although an aegis is so easy to get now, my first rema was a Ryunohige, started in level 75 days, although not completed till later (although still pre ambu), it sits in inventory somewhere, never used, still a matter of pride. I don't see anyone who really cares the likeness has been used again, is it such a big deal?

[Alhanelem]

Guys, off topic, why do we have to have this pointless bickering between you, it doesn't matter....

On topic, I kind of get it, making a joke item out of something people worked hard for, although an aegis is so easy to get now, my first rema was a Ryunohige, started in level 75 days, although not completed till later (although still pre ambu), it sits in inventory somewhere, never used, still a matter of pride. I don't see anyone who really cares the likeness has been used again, is it such a big deal?

This bickering exists because people keep feeling the need to make this personal when we weren't doing so.

But yes. Ingame I've not seen one person complain about this.

[Immortal]

I have seen people complain about it that I know, so I guess that cancels each other out!

Bickering exists because you have Spicyryan and Alhanelem trying to force their opinions on others, literally quoting and replying to ANYONE that says they don't like this shield and they will begin forcing their opinion. This thread was made for the devs to read and see people are not happy with the idea and everyone has said their piece except these two that continuously force their opinion on others for 20 pages now.


On topic, I kind of get it, making a joke item out of something people worked hard for, although an aegis is so easy to get now, my first rema was a Ryunohige, started in level 75 days, although not completed till later (although still pre ambu), it sits in inventory somewhere, never used, still a matter of pride. I don't see anyone who really cares the likeness has been used again, is it such a big deal?
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Something being easy to get or not shouldn't be a deciding factor. Majority rule shouldn't always be the absolute and only consideration and its certainly not something that should stop people from posting their opinions.

[Sp1cyryan]

I have seen people complain about it that I know, so I guess that cancels each other out!

Bickering exists because you have Spicyryan and Alhanelem trying to force their opinions on others, literally quoting and replying to ANYONE that says they don't like this shield and they will begin forcing their opinion. This thread was made for the devs to read and see people are not happy with the idea and everyone has said their piece except these two that continuously force their opinion on others for 20 pages now.



Something being easy to get or not shouldn't be a deciding factor. Majority rule shouldn't always be the absolute and only consideration and its certainly not something that should stop people from posting their opinions.

Sweet summer child.

[Alhanelem]

I have seen people complain about it that I know, so I guess that cancels each other out!Largely because you're on the same server as Pixela. And after recent posts of yours, I'm questioning if you're even two different people.




Bickering exists because you have Spicyryan and Alhanelem trying to force their opinions on others,You're "forcing" your opinions on others just as much as anyone else. You act as if this is all one sided but the reality is, you're doing the same thing we are, trying to convince us that we're in the wrong.

Let me fix that for you: Offering opinions, and trying, in a civilized manner, to persuade others of your point of view. A largely impossible feat on the internet even more so than in real life, but it's worth trying.

[Pixela]

Largely because you're on the same server as Pixela. And after recent posts of yours, I'm questioning if you're even two different people.

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[Immortal]

Largely because you're on the same server as Pixela. And after recent posts of yours, I'm questioning if you're even two different people.


You're "forcing" your opinions on others just as much as anyone else. You act as if this is all one sided but the reality is, you're doing the same thing we are, trying to convince us that we're in the wrong.

Let me fix that for you: Offering opinions, and trying, in a civilized manner, to persuade others of your point of view. A largely impossible feat on the internet even more so than in real life, but it's worth trying.

Nope, I'm not forcing my opinion on anyone and I repeatedly said "you can have your own opinions, thats fine."

I am posting here so the devs read it and see various opinions on the subject. If someone questions my opinion I explain it and discuss it, but I'm not here to change anyone's opinion. Unlike you, who directly quotes people and belittles their opinions because YOU can't fathom why someone could think differently. Just really obnoxious lol.

[Immortal]

Yea Asura is the biggest server ever seen in XIs life.... so of course I'll find more people that agree with my opinion and share it, unlike a backwater server that has 300 ppl max online lol. Of course you can't find anyone who voices their opinion, where exactly did you take a poll on that? Just really silly to even bring that up in the first place "MY FRIENDS AGREE WIT ME AND NOBODY ELSE COMPLAINED" ok case closed, close the thread, a backwater server with 300 ppl and nobody complained, they were silent.

The same person... jeeze, you are doing anything to belittle my opinion :(

[Sp1cyryan]

Nope, I'm not forcing my opinion on anyone and I repeatedly said "you can have your own opinions, thats fine."

I am posting here so the devs read it and see various opinions on the subject. If someone questions my opinion I explain it and discuss it, but I'm not here to change anyone's opinion. Unlike you, who directly quotes people and belittles their opinions because YOU can't fathom why someone could think differently. Just really obnoxious lol.

It is unfortunate to witness this over time and conceptualize the certain implications it outlines for the author. When your identity it too intertwined with the game. Your fevered opinion is less about being an objective and more a matter of personal display.

You'd have to think highly of yourself. To believe not only that posting here is something the Devs will see from you, but that it matter. Frankly, nothing I have ever seen you post comes to mind as something for a Dev. Certainly nothing in these forums though.
Given the state of the game and the objective reality around it. Your reasoning is more about reassuring yourself and justifying an outward display of vanity than anything else. You'd have similar results from praying to a bag of peanut M&Ms than peacocking for the Devs here. All of this is to call that answer a ridiculous excuse.

[Pixela]

It is unfortunate to witness this over time and conceptualize the certain implications it outlines for the author. When your identity it too intertwined with the game. Your fevered opinion is less about being an objective and more a matter of personal display.

You'd have to think highly of yourself. To believe not only that posting here is something the Devs will see from you, but that it matter. Frankly, nothing I have ever seen you post comes to mind as something for a Dev. Certainly nothing in these forums though.


that's you lol

[Pixela]

There are a number of people who are hyper invested in this game and well known to be so.

You're in that group, and pointing at others and pretending you're not the same is asinine.

[Immortal]

This is coming from the guy who attempted to make an anti cheat server wide black list post in 2023 on another fan site, close to midnight on new years eve.

He's actually trying to insinuate someone cares too much about the game... you can't make this up. He keeps posting word salads also, what a laugh.

You are the only one in a thread about a vanity shield in a 20 yr old game, making things personal. But that's nothing new it seems. Nobody cares here more than you, and you only care about personally attacking people and invalidating their opinions based on your grudges over petty things, weird.

[Sp1cyryan]

Go-go-gadget psychological defense mechanisms! Look, if you don't want to be honest enough then so be it. However, I am irrelevant in this equation. That "word salad"—be you possibly not understanding it or otherwise—is simply an analysis, an argument, an allegation. Your behavior is obviously a matter of personal aspects. If you don't want it to be that way then don't make your posts come from what is obviously such a personal place.

I don't have a grudge with you. Quite a bit of projection from your responses at times.

Further, not that it is really important. Besides deliberate mischaracterization and exaggeration of the first part there. There is a difference between participation in a hobby and making a hobby your identity. This should be somewhat clear when comparing my responses to yours.
Also, the fact that I don't spend thousands and thousands of dollars commissioning and uploading deficient looking figurines.

[Pixela]

You're such an incredible pos sometimes, so unnecessary.

I can be mean to people, so I kind of understand you but I at least try to not go all the way and very often end up deleting things I post and sometimes apologizing if I feel I went too far, but you're just all in on it.

[Zehira]

Bickering exists because you have Spicyryan and Alhanelem

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[Immortal]

You're such an incredible pos sometimes, so unnecessary.

I can be mean to people, so I kind of understand you but I at least try to not go all the way and very often end up deleting things I post and sometimes apologizing if I feel I went too far, but you're just all in on it.

He thinks he comes across like that architect from the Matrix, but he just ends up looking really silly. I've dealt with people much worse than him, I honestly wish him well and have tried to talk to him outside of here in PMs but he likes to go "public" in a 20 yr old game and try to personally attack people. Like was explained to me, hes got some issues.


Go-go-gadget psychological defense mechanisms! Look, if you don't want to be honest enough then so be it. However, I am irrelevant in this equation. That "word salad"—be you possibly not understanding it or otherwise—is simply an analysis, an argument, an allegation. Your behavior is obviously a matter of personal aspects. If you don't want it to be that way then don't make your posts come from what is obviously such a personal place.

I don't have a grudge with you. Quite a bit of projection from your responses at times.

Further, not that it is really important. Besides deliberate mischaracterization and exaggeration of the first part there. There is a difference between participation in a hobby and making a hobby your identity. This should be somewhat clear when comparing my responses to yours.
Also, the fact that I don't spend thousands and thousands of dollars commissioning and uploading deficient looking figurines.

How exactly do I make my hobby my "identity"? You don't know anything about me outside of what I choose to divulge and my forum posts, just like I don't know anything about you other than what I can read on forums. Once again you are making things personal, anyone reading this thread can see how unhinged you are to the point you are literally throwing out hateful opinions in each post desperately trying to hurt your perceived enemies lol. You are quite literally the only one making anything in this thread personal, everyone else is debating the topic and talking about a shield and you continuously come in here attacking peoples character.

I also spend thousands and thousands of dollars traveling, something you should try instead of caring about whos cheating in a 20 yr old game.

[Alhanelem]

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https://media.tenor.com/PU5SO3xyzs8AAAAC/hungry-hippo-game.gif
As they say, "it takes two (sides) to tango." People love to blame me (and spicy) for everything but the reality is we wouldn't have nearly as much to say without a few others in particular.

[Alhanelem]

Nope, I'm not forcing my opinion on anyone and I repeatedly said "you can have your own opinions, thats fine."


What you are doing is no different than me. I've said the same thing multiple times, I never said you couldn't have an opinion. Doesn't mean I won't disagree with it or try to show that your position is flawed. That's not forcing an opinion, that's making a case.

At best, your behavior is no different from mine, so stop trying to stand on some moral high ground, because you're not on it. Any attempt to blame me/us falls flat because you're being just as aggressive if not more so. As noted above, you've actually commented on this more than I, spicy, or even Pixela have.

I invite you to quote where I ever said "you can't have an opinion."

[Immortal]

What you are doing is no different than me. I've said the same thing multiple times, I never said you couldn't have an opinion. Doesn't mean I won't disagree with it or try to show that your position is flawed. That's not forcing an opinion, that's making a case.

At best, your behavior is no different from mine, so stop trying to stand on some moral high ground, because you're not on it. Any attempt to blame me/us falls flat because you're being just as aggressive if not more so. As noted above, you've actually commented on this more than I, spicy, or even Pixela have.

I invite you to quote where I ever said "you can't have an opinion."

Quite different I'd say, you continuously repeating your opinion over and over is def forcing it. You've said your opinion to literally anyone that comes into the thread like you are some authority. Its not uncommon with your posts, you like to pretend your opinion is "Fact" and then when called out on it you pretend otherwise.

The position being flawed is an OPINION of yours. I didn't post my opinion to be confirmed by you and I'm sure nobody else did either. You give yourself too much importance.

I also have more posts on this because I can't care to load a new screen to edit the post, so I post or quote someone else in a separate post. Its not simply having a higher post count on the subject. You've edited your posts a billion times, I think if you sum up the posts you've talked more on the subject than me. However, who gives a F?

[Alhanelem]

Quite different I'd say, you continuously repeating your opinion over and over is def forcing it.That's your opinion, and it's an opinion formed by your own personal bias against me rather than anything rational. You've repeated your opinions just as many times as anyone else, so by your own logic, you're "forcing it" too.

Seriously man, just give it a rest. We aren't even talking about the topic any more, you're just after our throats and we are reacting to it back and forth. We get it, you don't like us. Get over it and move on.

[Immortal]

You get over it lol, you're the one continuing carrying on being contrarian. I could say literally anything and you would debate it and be contrarion. I have no personal bias nor dislike anyone. You are the one coming into the thread repeatedly and quoting anyone who says they dislike this and then "forcing" your opinion. I'm not doing that, you are.

[Alhanelem]

You get over it lol, you're the one continuing carrying on being contrarian. I could say literally anything and you would debate it and be contrarion. I have no personal bias nor dislike anyone. You are the one coming into the thread repeatedly and quoting anyone who says they dislike this and then "forcing" your opinion. I'm not doing that, you are.
I'm not being contrarian. You saying something doesn't make it so. True, honestly held opinions are not being "contrarian." "Going against popular opinion" implies your opinion is the popular one. Well, I'm sorry, but I don't see the evidence of that. It's basically just you and pixela vs us. I've seen a few other people post on both sides, so there is no clear popular opinion here.

You are STILL attacking me and others here. I have done no such thing to you. If you really have such a big problem, why don't you just go and block us? The only reason I can fathom is you enjoy trolling us. If you really hate us so much and dismiss our perfectly reasonable opinions as "contrarian," logic would suggest blocking me / us. Much as I really, really really don't like Urah, he at least knows how to ignore people he doesn't want to interact with. Which is what you should probably do honestly.

I havent done so with you, because I don't have anything against you. I'm frustrated at your behavior, but for me it's not personal and I'm happy to discuss things in a civilized manner. And generally speaking, I really don't like taking that step, I'd rather try to work things out.

[Immortal]

How exactly am I "attacking" you? Like what in my last post could even be taken as an attack lol. I already said I don't hate anyone or have anything against anyone... I was just pointing out that you don't like to let other people just give their opinion without you disagreeing with it. Someone just came into this thread, left their opinion about disliking this idea, and you quoted them and tried to belittle their opinion... That was my whole point lol.