View Full Version : Don't bulk buy Crysta..
Pixela
04-09-2023, 09:32 PM
If you are doing so with the intent of supporting FF11.
Crysta is not a FF11 currency, it's a FF14 currency. If you bulk buy Crysta you are supporting ff14 because it is assigned to that games payment system, the only time Crysta is supporting ff11 is when you spend it on ff11 on that month.
I used to make this mistake and I won't be doing it in future, just a headsup to anyone unaware.
FF11 still belongs to ff14 operations so you're still supporting ff14 indirectly, but to a far lesser extent than just buying out a ton of crysta and letting it sit there in the ff14 account system.
Zehira
04-10-2023, 03:07 AM
Oops, I didn't support FF11 for 6 months and went with FF14 only. Now I support both... For now.
I still don't know what I am supposed to enjoy in FF11. I work 40+ hours a week. Some people cried endlessly that I violated ToS so I stopped. If they want me to follow the rules 100% then the fake one is the only way to go because I don't mind the old school dragon quest style experience. Hmmm.
Alhanelem
04-10-2023, 07:35 AM
Crysta is not a FF11 currency, it's a FF14 currency.It is neither. Seriously man, stop posting stuff like this that makes you look silly.
Crysta was created before FFXIV existed. And not just both games but every means of giving SE money online use the same payment processor. You are never supporting FFXI, nor FFXIV, directly, by giving SE money anywhere ever. You're supporting SE.
seriously you have to stop this BS misinformation. Even the people paying for FFXIV, whether they are subscribing or buying stuff from the online store, are not "supporting FFXIV." They're supporting Square Enix and its entire operation.
No amount of crying about FFXI's state or telling yourself you're boycotting FFXIV by not using crysta or whatever silly idea you come up with next is going to change the direction of ANYTHING at SE, much less FFXI.
Lines on a budget (and you are still following an entirely misguided concept of how budgets work) are entirely meaningless. SE spends all of its money from all sources at its discretion on whatever it wants. Your only option if you're not happy with SE is to not give them any money at all for anything for any reason.
If anything, if SE gets its way it will be funding everything it does with crypto and NFTs, but thankfully that prospect doesn't seem likely.
Zehira
04-10-2023, 09:41 AM
Your only option if you're not happy with SE is to not give them any money at all for anything for any reason.
This says it all. No one forces anyone to give money to SE. Now with FFXI's old technology, like it or not, developers work for the tip no matter how much money you are wasting.
Pixela
04-10-2023, 07:09 PM
The square enix account system was created for xiv, and when tanaka gave ff11 to ff14 the playonline system was merged into the ff14 account system. All the money goes to the xiv project, and it's not assigned to xi until it's used on xi for that month.
I used to builk buy crysta, I will do this no more, just a headsup to anyone that was like me.
Tarmarkvar
04-10-2023, 07:28 PM
I don't understand Crysta. Why would you pay for services in that weird indirect way? I just keep a credit card on file.
Pixela
04-10-2023, 09:03 PM
They sometimes block credit cards for people and refuse to fix the issues, forcing people to buy crysta. They did this to me a long time ago.
They do this for numerous reasons:
Firstly they know people will buy more than they need due to a risk of being booted if you don't add new crysta on time, so they get all that money upfront when people buy too much instead of getting the exact amount from a CC charge.
Secondly crysta has a use by date, at which point it is literally deleted (2 years). So if you are sloppy with buying it and buy too much the excess will get deleted after a while and disappear down the drain. Lots of ff14 players get burned with this when they buy a lot and then top up every month.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/pfls3w/crysta_expired/
Thirdly it's harder to refund crysta than a CC charge.
We originally had playonline account systems and all crysta was assigned to ff11 exclusively, then Tanaka gave ff11 to Yoshida and FF14 operations. So we were forced to convert our accounts to his Sqenix ff14 account systems. All the money XI makes is counted towards XIV operations and xi has never been mentioned on any financial report since the account change happened.
I threw a few hundred bucks into crysta over numerous accounts in January. Thinking it was helping 11, but it's really just not. It's just counted as ff14 revenue and just sits there unspent until you use it on 11 specifically.
If anyone wants to do it, then that's fine but I know people who were doing it specifically to support 11 and you're just not since they have no idea what you're loading up on crysta for.
Sp1cyryan
04-10-2023, 11:13 PM
What a silly thread.
Also, no one should think their contribution to XI would be large enough to help prolong it's end.
Pixela
04-11-2023, 01:31 AM
If everyone thought like you nobody would do anything, I bet you don't vote either do you?
Every action matters because the culmination of many players supporting the game equates to a combined force that has kept it running for 20 years.
Square Enix only care about cash, so WE kept it running as long as it has been and that includes my monthly sub and yours.
Tarmarkvar
04-11-2023, 02:34 AM
It doesn't make sense. Whether I pay for a subscription directly through a credit card or indirectly through crysta, I'm still feeding in to Square Enix's sales data and supporting FFXI.
Pixela
04-11-2023, 02:43 AM
If I buy $1k of crysta right now, I'm paying $1k to ff14 operations.
If I spend $20 of that $1k on my ffxi sub, I'm now spending $20 of that $1 on ffxi.
If I spend another $20 next month on my ffxi sub, I have spent $40 on ffxi.
Buying $1k of crysta does not help ffxi, outside of the ongoing monthly payments directly to the game.
I'm specifically talking about bulk purchases with the intent to support the game with a lump sum, as in you're not doing so.
Sp1cyryan
04-11-2023, 03:44 AM
How do you even reconcile this? They see you are using it to pay for XI. What even is this thread?
MetalSmith
04-11-2023, 06:58 AM
This makes as much sense as saying "Don't buy Target gift cards, they don't support Target brand coffee directly."
Crysta is used in Japan because credit cards aren't as readily available or convenient. Crysta can be bought at a convenience store and applied to your SE account to make purchases from SE. Every department is SE has a budget, and every department in SE has its own revenue streams. The budget is based upon the previous revenue streams, future development plans and estimated future revenue streams. It has nothing to do with Crysta, as the income from crysta is uncontributed to a revenue stream until it is spent. While it moves towards the company revenue, it has no line item attribution, except 'Online store currency'. It probably isn't even really considered profit yet because they don't know what it will be used on. The cost of the services it is used for will all result in different profits.
So, there ya go. You can take this information and move forwards with your life and preferred payment method, or you can be upset with a gift card created for the convenience of those without access to the Mastercard / Visa / Discovery credit network.
Pixela
04-11-2023, 07:45 AM
FFXIV operations is the base service that is shown on financial reports.
FFXI is a sub-operation inside the FFXIV operations service run as a side business and that is not even disclosed on any financial reports at all, in the same way a coffee shop would be inside a supermarket.
I am not allowed to use a credit card because there were blocked years ago, this is fairly common issue.
As such I can only buy crysta, normally I just buy whatever I need for the month a week before it's needed.
In January I purchased a few hundred and just let it sit there ready to be used, I did this with the intent of supporting FFXI specifically (aka, here is the full years sub upfront for all 6 of my accounts).
I later realized I'm not supporting XI specifically because it isn't assigned to anything until you use it on something. It sitting there is doing XI no good at all, it's just a generic sale in the XIV business operation.
As such I'm better off just buying crysta every 1-2 months and not buying it in bulk, and then I can leave it sit in my bank instead and get the interest off it. There is no reason to bulk buy because there is no benefit to ff11.
Alhanelem
04-11-2023, 12:48 PM
I don't understand Crysta. Why would you pay for services in that weird indirect way? I just keep a credit card on file.
If you're one of those unlucky people who doesn't have a credit card that SE likes or you don't want to use a credit card at all.
Alhanelem
04-11-2023, 12:49 PM
This makes as much sense as saying "Don't buy Target gift cards, they don't support Target brand coffee directly."
Crysta is used in Japan because credit cards aren't as readily available or convenient. Crysta can be bought at a convenience store and applied to your SE account to make purchases from SE. Every department is SE has a budget, and every department in SE has its own revenue streams. The budget is based upon the previous revenue streams, future development plans and estimated future revenue streams. It has nothing to do with Crysta, as the income from crysta is uncontributed to a revenue stream until it is spent. While it moves towards the company revenue, it has no line item attribution, except 'Online store currency'. It probably isn't even really considered profit yet because they don't know what it will be used on. The cost of the services it is used for will all result in different profits.
So, there ya go. You can take this information and move forwards with your life and preferred payment method, or you can be upset with a gift card created for the convenience of those without access to the Mastercard / Visa / Discovery credit network.
I've tried to get through to him that he doesn't understand how budgets actually work but it hasn't worked for... like years now.
Alhanelem
04-11-2023, 12:52 PM
The square enix account system was created for xiv,Well yes, because the playonline account system was total garbage. The SE account system is a blessing in comparison. So while you're trying to slam SE again it doesnt work because this was an upgrade. And you are so blinded by your hatred for FFXIV that you simply can not make a rational argument on this subject.
SE knew Playonline was garbo, that's why they made a new system. They could have just used playonline for FFXIV, but that would have been stupid because PlayOnline is so flawed. But also, PlayOnline wasn't supposed to be just for FFXI, it was supposed to be for ALL of SE's online games (and indeed there were a few more PlayOnline games that we never got outside Japan) but it became clear pretty quick to SE that POL was not the way forward and I agree with them on that.
Zehira
04-11-2023, 04:33 PM
This makes as much sense as saying "Don't buy Target gift cards, they don't support Target brand coffee directly."
Crysta is used in Japan because credit cards aren't as readily available or convenient. Crysta can be bought at a convenience store and applied to your SE account to make purchases from SE. Every department is SE has a budget, and every department in SE has its own revenue streams. The budget is based upon the previous revenue streams, future development plans and estimated future revenue streams. It has nothing to do with Crysta, as the income from crysta is uncontributed to a revenue stream until it is spent. While it moves towards the company revenue, it has no line item attribution, except 'Online store currency'. It probably isn't even really considered profit yet because they don't know what it will be used on. The cost of the services it is used for will all result in different profits.
So, there ya go. You can take this information and move forwards with your life and preferred payment method, or you can be upset with a gift card created for the convenience of those without access to the Mastercard / Visa / Discovery credit network.
I truly appreciate you took your time to write this information. It's really helpful. I think we all know we just don't care. He creates too many random threads like every week. His hatred for XIV is an embarrassment to this entire community.
Pixela
04-11-2023, 08:10 PM
Well yes, because the playonline account system was total garbage. The SE account system is a blessing in comparison. So while you're trying to slam SE again it doesnt work because this was an upgrade. And you are so blinded by your hatred for FFXIV that you simply can not make a rational argument on this subject.
SE knew Playonline was garbo, that's why they made a new system. They could have just used playonline for FFXIV, but that would have been stupid because PlayOnline is so flawed. But also, PlayOnline wasn't supposed to be just for FFXI, it was supposed to be for ALL of SE's online games (and indeed there were a few more PlayOnline games that we never got outside Japan) but it became clear pretty quick to SE that POL was not the way forward and I agree with them on that.
They don't care if it's garbage or not, playonline launcher still exists.
They use squenx account system because xi is a sub product under the xiv brand. XI is funded from the money XIV gets and so it gets all the profits, which works out a win for xiv.
Pixela
04-11-2023, 08:12 PM
I truly appreciate you took your time to write this information. It's really helpful. I think we all know we just don't care. He creates too many random threads like every week. His hatred for XIV is an embarrassment to this entire community.
Calm down man, you'll be fine. Nobody hates XIV, it's just facts that upset you.
Simple logic, if XI was its own product it would be stated on the financial report.
Sp1cyryan
04-12-2023, 03:04 AM
Calm down man, you'll be fine. Nobody hates XIV, it's just facts that upset you.
Simple logic, if XI was its own product it would be stated on the financial report.
I hate XIV, and even I have enough sense. Not only to not make such a thread, but not to be so out of touch with the basic nature of it.
Tarmarkvar
04-12-2023, 03:30 AM
If I buy $1k of crysta right now, I'm paying $1k to ff14 operations.
No, you're paying $1,000 to Square Enix to buy their special payment credits.
Then you spend some of those credits every month to pay for a subscription to Final Fantasy 11. Do you think that, after you buy crysta, they don't track where that crysta is spent? Leaving that kind of gap in their business intelligence would be a massive fail.
Tarmarkvar
04-12-2023, 03:32 AM
'm better off just buying crysta every 1-2 months and not buying it in bulk, and then I can leave it sit in my bank instead and get the interest off it. There is no reason to bulk buy because there is no benefit to ff11.
Also... bank interest? What year do you think it is? Nobody makes money from the 0.05% interest rate on savings accounts anymore.
Alhanelem
04-12-2023, 06:47 AM
Calm down man, you'll be fine. Nobody hates XIV, it's just facts that upset you.If you don't hate it, then why do you bash it and complain about it at every opportunity? And why are you so offended by even the possibility that SE might spend any of the money you gave them on FFXIV if you don't hate it as you claim?
Simple logic, if XI was its own product it would be stated on the financial report.That's not how budgets work. You clearly haven't learned anything from any of the past conversation on this subject.
I mean it's freaking hilarious that you actually think buying crysta equates to funding (specifically) FFXIV. It doesn't specifically fund FFXIV. Period. It funds Square Enix. SE is free to use every dollar it uses from any source on whatever the hell it wants, including buying the corporate executives their morning coffee. Dollars derived from Crysta are not specifically allocated to funding FFXIV's operations, nor any other specific purpose. Period, end of story. No matter how much you want what you say to be true, it isn't. Yes, some amount of the money that SE spends furthers FFXIV development, but not even all money generated by FFXIV itself goes to the game, as SE has dozens of projects at any given time and all of the money SE earns is distributed to those projects as SE sees fit.
I hate XIV, and even I have enough sense. Not only to not make such a thread, but not to be so out of touch with the basic nature of it.
While I find it unfortunate, I have no problem with Spicy saying this because he at least understands how budgets work and understands how ridiculous your arguments are.
Alhanelem
04-12-2023, 06:55 AM
Do you think that, after you buy crysta, they don't track where that crysta is spent? Leaving that kind of gap in their business intelligence would be a massive fail.
In fact the Crysta Passbook, seen in your Square Enix account,does indicate specifically what you purchased with your Crysta. If you use it to sub to FFXI, both you and SE knows that Crysta was used for that purpose.
Sp1cyryan
04-12-2023, 07:15 AM
Also... bank interest? What year do you think it is? Nobody makes money from the 0.05% interest rate on savings accounts anymore.
I'd suggest you browse APY on savings accounts.
Pixela
04-12-2023, 07:53 AM
I have no problem with FFXIV, I just don't have any reason to support it with money I don't need to spend in advance with a bulk order of crysta.
Again, FFXI is a sub product under the umbrella of FFXIV. It is funded from the XIV budget, to the benefit of XIV since they get more money back in profits than it costs (and possibly more now since they aren't paying so much in wages). You can literally go check their financial reports PDF and see DQ10 is listed and ff11 is not, even though ff11 makes more money and has more players. They also stopped counting profits towards 11 when it was handed over to Yoshida. Which is why ff14 is counted as the most profitable SE title soon after (cause they stopped counting profits from 11 6-7 years ago) - go check the wiki entries for most profitable titles at SE and see the numbers for 11 stopped being counted at that date and stood still since, while 14 carried on with the benefit of 11 profits being added onto its numbers.
Pixela
04-12-2023, 08:05 AM
FF11 was counted on every single financial report up until 2012, as they are forced to do when it is a separate entity with ongoing costs.
Tanaka left Square and handed ff11 to Yoshida in 2012, when it stopped being counted on any financial reports.
This is the point all profits from 11 ceased to be counted, and were added onto ff14. So all money FF11 has made from 2012 to 2023 have been added onto ff14.
So ff11 is the "2nd most profitable square enix game" from 2002 to 2011. No money it makes was counted past that date anywhere.
https://i.imgur.com/I0sIayv.jpg
Zehira
04-12-2023, 08:43 AM
Come on. We all know Yoshi-P is the leader. It's their money now. Let's say... Yoshi-P probably read this forum and thinks... "Hmmm.. Oh so Zehira wants us to replace this FFXI's engine... Oh so Pixela is against Zehira's idea and prefers the way it is. I don't know what.... Oh so Zehira just unsubbed and stick to my game now..."
Few months later.... Yoshi-P announced FFXIV is getting an upgrade just a moment after you created a thread complaining about XIV again. lol
Alhanelem
04-12-2023, 10:13 AM
I'd suggest you browse APY on savings accounts.
I get 0.01% on my checking account lol
Alhanelem
04-12-2023, 06:04 PM
Come on. We all know Yoshi-P is the leader. It's their money now. Let's say... Yoshi-P probably read this forum and thinks... "Hmmm.. Oh so Zehira wants us to replace this FFXI's engine... Oh so Pixela is against Zehira's idea and prefers the way it is. I don't know what.... Oh so Zehira just unsubbed and stick to my game now..."
Few months later.... Yoshi-P announced FFXIV is getting an upgrade just a moment after you created a thread complaining about XIV again. lol
Yoshi-P isn't just the Producer on FFXIV, he's the head of the entire business unit that runs both FFXI and FFXIV, and is also working on FFXVI and probably other things. This comment kind of creates an implication that Yoshi P hates FFXI and wants to run it into the ground which simply doesn't exist- He in fact helped ensure its continued operation many years ago.
Pixela
04-12-2023, 07:12 PM
YoshiP does not hate FFXI because FFXI adds 30-40k paying players directly to XIV, as well as all the profits from the game that make it worth the investment from his budget. If he closed FFXI he would see the player numbers and profits drop by that much overnight on the next financial report, why would he want to do that? That would like all XIV players on steam being wiped out overnight.
XI is still a very profitable and successful game, adding that onto your flagship title is a major boost when you're fixated with competing with World of Warcraft (which also does the same thing with classic wow btw). XI has more active players than New World, and makes more money than that too because everyone here is paying to be here. Which is a major Amazon gaming project.
XI is valuable to him and XIV, it's not going anywhere unless he can find some way to convert most of them over to being XIV players and that's not going to happen. Because it's really easy to setup direct alternatives to siphon them all away, and if they alienate the loyal players by closing XI those loyal and vocal players will actively promote, help develop and help run those "alternatives" to make sure Square don't profit from doing so.
Alhanelem
04-13-2023, 03:20 AM
YoshiP does not hate FFXI because FFXI adds 30-40k paying players directly to XIVDude. PLEASE. Stop posting this bullhonkey. FFXI adds players to FFXI, not FFXIV, and he really doesn't care about that. that number is nothing against FFXIV, unfortunate though that may be. He doesn't win some award or get a pay raise because FFXIV still exists. There is no reason in the world that he would be motivated in that way and you know it.
Yoshi P is bigger than both MMOs combined, he is the head of a subdivision of SE that does a lot more than just run two MMOs.
I get it man, you love XI and so do we or we wouldn't be here. You don't need to pull stuff out of your behind to justify support for the game.
Zehira
04-13-2023, 04:09 AM
I didn't say Yoshi-P hates FFXI, he apparently wants nothing to do with that. Discussing about SE in general is a waste of time just like at a restaurant we don't let any customer to go to our kitchen to see what we do...
FFXI team just asked you to try out the the Term Filter functions. It's like your last chance this month.
Pixela
04-13-2023, 04:33 AM
Me: Evidence and Logic
You: Trist me bro
Zehira
04-13-2023, 09:21 AM
I am being polite. I tried to read some of your posts, Pixela, I know our biggest issue is we can't see the future of XI like we can see the future of XIV.
Alhanelem
04-13-2023, 09:48 AM
Me: Evidence and Logic
You: Trist me bro
There is no evidence or logic in anything you've posted in this thread.
Pixela
04-13-2023, 10:17 AM
XI was counted on every single financial report until 2012 when Tanaka gave him the project, and hasn't been ever since.
Every service that has staff assigned to it and ongoing costs has to be declared on the financial report along with profits, that's the point of it. XI is not because it's part of XIV operations and so they don't need to disclose it.
FFXI is never mentioned in any official way, because it only exists as part of XIV and any money or players it gets are counted towards that. For instance there was no producer message from FF11 on the FF new years message when every other game was.
https://na.finalfantasy.com/topics/332
When you buy Crysta and don't spend it they have no idea what you bought it for, this is impossible in this company system because it has to be assigned to something. It's assigned to XIV because Sqenix is the XIV account system.
Crysta can be used for XI and XIV but not DQ10, which is also in the same Bdivision.
The producer of XI is Yoshida with the XI producer being under him (not the case with DQ10), this makes no sense at all. A project only has one producer if it's a standalone project (he is not the producer of dq10)
XIV uses whatever assets they want from XI, because they are the same project and he can do what he wants with it as the producer of XIV (this is not the case with DQ10 or Nier Automata, he needs to ask the producer of that game (and sometimes even pay for the use of it from the project he runs) to use anything and it has to be agreed to. This is why they can rip the models and texture from XI for cardians and put them in an XIV dungeon even though that makes no sense at all in any way from a lore standpoint.
The XI playonline account system was scrapped and XI was converted to Sqenix account systems when Tanaka left. This was not done becasue it's better (cause they still use the playonilne launcher) it was done because all money XI makes goes to XIV.
The same customer support staff and GM work on both games, but do not work on anything else in the same Business division and you can often speak to the exact same Gm on both games.
XI and XIV share many of the same staff when available, including many developers when they are free (because they are the same project) if Yoshida agrees to let them do so.
The original point of XIV, was for XI players to move to. Players would not move and ultimately they gave up trying, so they just merged XI into XIV and now we effectively are playing XIV from a financial point of view.
Zehira
04-13-2023, 10:36 AM
I am aware of most.
The original point of XIV, was for XI players to move to. Players would not move and ultimately they gave up trying, so they just merged XI into XIV and now we effectively are playing XIV from a financial point of view.
There we go. Maybe it's time to stand up for the change? Or do you really prefer this game to stay the same for 10 years more or even 20 years??
Alhanelem
04-13-2023, 10:45 AM
XI was counted on every single financial report until 2012 when Tanaka gave him the project, and hasn't been ever since.Please link to all of these financial reports. You've claimed this many times but never provide the evidence when questioned.
Even if it's true (which I don't believe that it is) it's still meaningless. It doesn't mean that they're funneling money to any specific other project, because again, that is NOT HOW BUDGETS WORK. There is no conspiracy to destroy FFXI or use it explicitly and solely as a tool to boost some other project. Who gave what to whom is irrelevant, who is producer now is irrelevant. SE is a business and can spend its money however it wants and however it pleases (and pleases its investors). This has nothing to do with the merits of FFXI or FFXIV. It has nothing to do with making it look like FFXIV has more players either, as FFXIV has far greater numbers than XI already and they have no reason or motivation to fake anything.
Its like, you don't have a point because you say all these things about how they're trying to push FFXIV or give it more money (funny enough FFXIV is already seeing its operations being streamlined [i.e. cost cut] even though it's a hugely successful game), even though FFXIV is also seeing its budgets cut back as Creative Business Unit 3 is also working on FFXVI and that's its main focus atm.
Please, just stop using FFXIV and any such related topic as a scapegoat. Whether or not it is is meaningless as SE can, has, and will continue to spend its money how it pleases and attribute it how it pleases and write its financial reports how it pleases and so on and so on and there is nothing you or I or anyone else can write on this forum that will change that. You keep saying "oh I don't hate FFXIV" but you cast it in a massively negative light with every post you make.
In a 4-5 years or so they'll be pretending FFXIV doesn't exist and funding some other Next Big Thing. It's the cycle of (game development) life. Deal with it. I'm sure you won't be complaining about how FFXIV money is being funneled into <insert project here>.
Ultimately you have one option and one option only if you don't like what they're doing. STOP GIVING THEM MONEY. It clearly offends you so much that even one dollar earned by FFXI might be spent on something other than FFXI, so why are you still giving them the resources to do that which you allege they are doing? As far as the topic of this thread goes, it really doesn't matter whether you buy Crysta or not, money earned by SE from this game can and will be spent on whatever they want, because that's how big corporations work.
Pixela
04-13-2023, 07:44 PM
Are you using chatgtp3 to write this drivel?
Sirmarki
04-13-2023, 07:54 PM
Another thread that needs to be filed in the B.I.N.
Pixela
04-13-2023, 09:17 PM
official forum lore for the B.I.N
https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/46983/i-got-banned-from-the-official-forums/4/
Sp1cyryan
04-13-2023, 11:17 PM
FIVE PAGES?!
Alhanelem
04-14-2023, 04:33 AM
Are you using chatgtp3 to write this drivel?Are you?
Maybe all of us are bots arguing in circles because that's what computer programs do.
Alhanelem
04-14-2023, 04:33 AM
FIVE PAGES?!
It's only three for me, you can change the number of posts per page. :P
Sp1cyryan
04-14-2023, 04:40 AM
Are you?
Maybe all of us are bots arguing in circles because that's what computer programs do.
Chat GPT be better put together.
zataz
05-14-2023, 04:31 PM
With all due respect when you buy it sure square may use your $ but at the end of the day 11 will get what you spend on it. Also why would you buy currency In bulk for a game with no store? I mean really lol I don't even know if it has a return policy if 11 shuts down and you don't like 14.
Gwydion
05-14-2023, 06:01 PM
Could you imagine if enough players decided to stage a coordinated protest and everyone on a single server just did a /logout for 1 day?
Maybe we'd get actual job balance (see Beastmaster) or maybe, battle content that players actually want (not Master Trials or mandatory daily grinds).
BobbinT
05-17-2023, 04:54 PM
Don't see anything wrong with filling crysta. I do that coz I don't want to rely on CC, hence using debit which is not my main savings, though I would love if SE do introduce crysta gaming cards for another payment options. At least they did with 3rd pt way back then before it was stopped.
Tarmarkvar
05-18-2023, 12:25 AM
Could you imagine if enough players decided to stage a coordinated protest and everyone on a single server just did a /logout for 1 day?
Maybe we'd get actual job balance (see Beastmaster) or maybe, battle content that players actually want (not Master Trials or mandatory daily grinds).
How would that help? Even if nobody logs in for a designated day, SE has already collected their subscription fees for the entire month.
Sp1cyryan
05-18-2023, 01:08 AM
Could you imagine if enough players decided to stage a coordinated protest and everyone on a single server just did a /logout for 1 day?
Maybe we'd get actual job balance (see Beastmaster) or maybe, battle content that players actually want (not Master Trials or mandatory daily grinds).
This is beyond naive and certainly useless.
DoctooOkay
05-18-2023, 01:55 AM
Could you imagine if enough players decided to stage a coordinated protest and everyone on a single server just did a /logout for 1 day?
Maybe we'd get actual job balance (see Beastmaster) or maybe, battle content that players actually want (not Master Trials or mandatory daily grinds).
That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.