February 2023 FINAL FANTASY XI Digest

[Akihiko_Matsui]

The latest FINAL FANTASY XI Digest is now available! The digest covers key features from the most recent version update. Check out the video, try the version update, and leave a feedback based on your experience of playing the new content.

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[Uriah]

A term filter will be completely useless. Unless it applies an algorithm to block all similar terms. You could at least pretend to try.

Specific word filtering is foiled by merely adding spaces periods hyphens numbers etc

And it only blocks 100 words, it could not be less useless.

[Sirmarki]

What keywords are people using? because most of them will block legit yells.

Not had a chance to play with it yet, but does the list include the ability to add player names (or maybe even wildcards)?

[Zenion]

I like how the Term Filter is implemented. Instead of just choosing a few fixed words that are problematic, players are being allowed to set and change the terms that they'll block as needed; that's a lot more useful. RMTs will still be able to get around it, but it will take them longer than it takes any given player to update their terms, so it should actually work. Well done!

[xiozen]

Great job with this update; love the chat filter QoL.

[Sp1cyryan]

A term filter will be completely useless. Unless it applies an algorithm to block all similar terms. You could at least pretend to try.

Specific word filtering is foiled by merely adding spaces periods hyphens numbers etc

And it only blocks 100 words, it could not be less useless.

Stop complaining about everything.

[Okieeomi]

Greetings and salutations adventures,

We've updated the version update notes to be a bit more clear on the formatting players should use when adding terms to either the prohibited or allowed .txt files.


* Each text file can have up to 100 lines of text, with each line consisting of no more than 30 characters.
* The Term Filter will not reference terms listed after the 100th line.

For example each term should be on a new line:


Mithra
Galka
Tarutaru

As mentioned in the version update notes, we are looking to expand upon the Term Filter's functionality and would appreciate any feedback you may have after trying out the feature.

Happy version update day! :cool:

[Pixela]

A warning message should to come up if the txt is over 100 lines, cause people will cap it with how often new shout bots are made.

It would be good to have a button that opens the folder so you can go directly to it, instead of going looking for it. The folder is so nested away it's a little annoying to get to. I suppose people can make a shortcut on the desktop to it, but still.

The best option would be being able to write to the txt from the game, but limit what is written to just the players name. So it works as an effective blist but without having to type the persons name as is the case with normal blist. The way yell bots win currently is the make the name so hard to type out to blist that nobody even tries.

Possibly have a temp txt that is deleted with every maintenance if the paragraph above is used, this is becasue the majority of the yell bots are deleted in a few days anyway and they make a new one.

Another simple way to address the spam is to make /yell have a level 15ro 20 level restriction. This will make it harder for the RMT to make new shout bots, and less willing to delete them to make a new one every day. New players have assist and don't even know yell exists anyway so level it isn't a big deal.

The biggest problem is most are not very tech savy, and they will not really understand how to make this work. Another is that people will put too many basic words in it and block half the server, which is another reason why maybe a temp file maybe a good idea.

[Alhanelem]

A term filter will be completely useless. Unless it applies an algorithm to block all similar terms. You could at least pretend to try.

Specific word filtering is foiled by merely adding spaces periods hyphens numbers etc

And it only blocks 100 words, it could not be less useless.
It's useless to you, maybe, but I find it to be useful. :)

[Alhanelem]

Greetings and salutations adventures,

We've updated the version update notes to be a bit more clear on the formatting players should use when adding terms to either the prohibited or allowed .txt files.



For example each term should be on a new line:



As mentioned in the version update notes, we are looking to expand upon the Term Filter's functionality and would appreciate any feedback you may have after trying out the feature.

Happy version update day! :cool:
I have to say I've always wanted to block tarutaru. :D

The biggest problem is most are not very tech savy, and they will not really understand how to make this work.I don't think simple text files with one word on a line is hard to understand. If you're "tech savvy" enough to install the game, I think you're tech savvy enough to put words in a text file.

[Zenion]

Possibly have a temp txt that is deleted with every maintenance if the paragraph above is used, this is becasue the majority of the yell bots are deleted in a few days anyway and they make a new one.

That sounds like a lot of needless work. I don't know how bots are on other servers, but I can shut the ones I see on Fenrir up with three lines:

g i l
G I L
m/

If the filter is something players are doing, and not something the RMT bots can actually see for themselves, it'll probably take them a while to adapt and realize they need new scripts to follow to bypass it.

[Alhanelem]

Also, you can whitelist a term and set it up so people you know will be able to use the blacklisted terms by including something on the white list.


Also: They made it clear they aren't done with this feature yet, it will be expanded in the future.



If the filter is something players are doing, and not something the RMT bots can actually see for themselves, it'll probably take them a while to adapt and realize they need new scripts to follow to bypass it.

It's also being filtered on your end, the RMT will have no way to know their messages aren't getting through, so if they know about this their only real option is to constantly vary their word choice/format, currently they don't really change stuff much once it gets past the built in RMT chat filters.

[Pixela]

A common sense move would be to increase the level required to use yell however they will use /ae then, so I guess they can't really.

[Alhanelem]

Basing it on level would adversely affect new characters/players. So it's not really common sense. This feature makes it easy to block out not just RMT but anything else you don't really want to hear while allowing the thinngs you do.

[Pixela]

New players don't even know how to use yell and assist was made for them, rmt make new characters just to shout and if there was a level restriction they would be far less willing to keep making new ones every day. It is common sense.

As I stated though, the RMT would start spamming in assist and although mentors can block it that would get annoying.

As such, yes it's not really something they can do.

[Alhanelem]

New players don't even know how to use yell and assist was made for themIf they know how to use assist they know how to use yell. It's the same thing just a different letter.



rmt make new characters just to shout and if there was a level restriction they would be far less willing to keep making new ones every day. It is common sense.Repeating the same flawed argument doesn't make it magically become true.

Putting a level requirement on it makes it a pain not just for new players, but also players with mules, because now they have to actually level up their mules if they want to talk while they're moving stuff around or doing business. That's not a reasonable inconvenience. The new filter system can already deal with RMT pretty well if you learn how to use it, which really isn't hard, and they've already promised the feature is going to be expanded upon.

[Pixela]

You're like 3 year old lately, it's funny and all but at the same time kind of sad cause you're a grown man.

[Alhanelem]

You're like 3 year old lately, it's funny and all but at the same time kind of sad cause you're a grown man. I think you should re-read what you wrote and then look in the mirror, because I'm making calm, coherent rational statements, while you are repeating something that was flawed to begin with and hoping the other side will just go away.

You can't even use proper grammar and you're trying to call someone else posting in a normal manner a 3 year old. These kind of childish personal attacks detract from any argument you might have and are also plainly against the rules.

[Pixela]

All you are is a pure contrarian and it's really boring at this point.

[Uriah]

All you are is a pure contrarian and it's really boring at this point.

Then. Stop. Replying. Having him blocked is simply awesome.

Nothing better than seeing them desperately try to annoy you and be ignored. That's all they do is annoy and argue. So stop participating.

See they're all about to say something whiny and complainy and all I'm going to see is
https://i.ibb.co/vxGP4ZZ/analzz.png

[Alhanelem]

All you are is a pure contrarian and it's really boring at this point. You're the one being a contrarian. You are opposing me for the sake of opposing me, while I am making arguments based in rationalism and logic. At least, I can't think of any other reason for you to say what you say, You're literally the only person on this forum that would complain if SE offered sales or subscription promotions.

[Alhanelem]

Then. Stop. Replying. Having him blocked is simply awesome.

Nothing better than seeing them desperately try to annoy you and be ignored. That's all they do is annoy and argue. So stop participating.

See they're all about to say something whiny and complainy and all I'm going to see is
https://i.ibb.co/vxGP4ZZ/analzz.png

You don't need to show me or anyone else what it looks like when someone blocks them, I actually have them blocked too but I end up reading their posts anyway on the off chance they actually say something different from what they usually say. Which much like with you, is a pretty vain hope.

That said. and this is for everyone: I'm not TRYING to annoy this person, or anyone, at all. It's your choice to be annoyed, I would certainly like to convince them that they're wasting your time documenting every single one of your worthless reports, but wasting time is evidently one of Uriah's hobbies, so I just reply to the other people who also see their useless bot reporting thread for what it is. :) And there isn't any desperation here. I'm just here. If this guy really thinks that I"m thinking "I GOTTA KEEP POSTING SO HE HOPEFULLY READS MY POST AND GETS ANNOYED!," well, sorry to disappoint, but that's not why I'm here.

It just comes with the territory when one is the most active user, everyone knows who you are and you get targeted just for being around.

[Pixela]

Add a way to pick your moglification effect, it's annoying you have to remove all furniture to get the Prismatic Chest active effect key item

[Tarmarkvar]

A term filter will be completely useless. Unless it applies an algorithm to block all similar terms. You could at least pretend to try.

Specific word filtering is foiled by merely adding spaces periods hyphens numbers etc

And it only blocks 100 words, it could not be less useless.

Well of course it's useless to you. You don't actually play the game. You just spam the forums.

[Tarmarkvar]

What keywords are people using? because most of them will block legit yells.

Not had a chance to play with it yet, but does the list include the ability to add player names (or maybe even wildcards)?

I was using a 3rd party tool for this, and I used pretty short terms. Like I think "2100" would block out most of the spam from the guys who sold job points. I'll have to post my list of terms when I get home.

[Zenion]

What keywords are people using? because most of them will block legit yells.

Not had a chance to play with it yet, but does the list include the ability to add player names (or maybe even wildcards)?


Ｆ
Ｘ
Ｃ
ｃ
Ｇ
ｇ
hr/

The blank line at the start is structural, Ｆ will not work if it's excluded.

[Alhanelem]

Wouldn't having all those individual letters block like, the vast majority of all chat?

[Zenion]

Wouldn't having all those individual letters block like, the vast majority of all chat?

No, because those aren't the actual letters like we'd type them. They're some stupid unicode characters that RMTs use to get past other filtering methods. Which is exactly why it works so well: nobody's accidentally shouting "ｇｉｌ" instead of "gil".

[Sp1cyryan]

Ｆ
Ｘ
Ｃ
ｃ
Ｇ
ｇ
hr/

The blank line at the start is structural, Ｆ will not work if it's excluded.

What about "Sheol C" yells? Doesn't that C stop it? What about the foreign characters that look just like a C, etc, but aren't?

[Zenion]

What about "Sheol C" yells? Doesn't that C stop it? What about the foreign characters that look just like a C, etc, but aren't?

Nope, this doesn't block normal communication in any way (except maybe some weird edge case where someone actually wants to say something like "Dynamis, 2hr/run; Sortie, 1hr/run.")

The letters I used in that filter aren't the ones you get typing with your keyboard. I doubt they're what anyone gets just typing with their keyboard. The Ｃ one specifically is "fullwidth latin capital letter c", unicode 0xFF23; in comparison, the C that you get typing normally is just "latin capital letter c", unicode 0x43. A computer isn't going to mistake the two, no matter how similar they look. This is why they get used in shouts - you can block any of the normal Latin character set you want, and it's never going to catch that fullwidth Latin set.

As to the specific letter choices, I'm assuming any gil seller is going to want to say "FFXI", "gil", "gold", or ".com" in their shout; it would be possible to just use all 52 of these fullwidth characters and guarantee a catch, but that's a very wide net to cast and I prefer not to waste the space right now.

Any non-Latin character shaped like an F, a G, or a C will still bypass this filter, but those shouldn't be all that common; if you see it happening, you can always use the newly-added in-game copy to clipboard feature to grab the offending characters and add them to your filter if they do slip by. (And if that happens, maybe post that text somewhere on the boards here so we can keep pace with the bots?)

EDIT: ... well, okay, actually, I say all that, then look at FFXIAH and just immediately see a shout where someone's using the fullwidth characters instead of the standard ones to shout for Sortie. Kind of thought Japanese players were using the usual ascii character set when they typed in English but I guess not. So... I guess you can hit false positives, but... well, it's a trade-off. You could consider using ＦＦ and ＦＩ in place of just Ｆ, ＣＯ in place of just Ｃ, and ＧＩ and ＧＯ in place of Ｇ; ｃ, ｆ, and ｇ shouldn't see any normal use and are likely fine to use as-is. There's more risk of a nuisance shout slipping by though, decide which you're more comfortable with.

Amended lower-loss version, then:

ＦＦ
ＦＩ
ＣＯ
ＧＩ
ＧＯ
ｃ
ｆ
ｇ
hr/

[Sp1cyryan]

Nope, this doesn't block normal communication in any way (except maybe some weird edge case where someone actually wants to say something like "Dynamis, 2hr/run; Sortie, 1hr/run.")

The letters I used in that filter aren't the ones you get typing with your keyboard. I doubt they're what anyone gets just typing with their keyboard. The Ｃ one specifically is "fullwidth latin capital letter c", unicode 0xFF23; in comparison, the C that you get typing normally is just "latin capital letter c", unicode 0x43. A computer isn't going to mistake the two, no matter how similar they look. This is why they get used in shouts - you can block any of the normal Latin character set you want, and it's never going to catch that fullwidth Latin set.

As to the specific letter choices, I'm assuming any gil seller is going to want to say "FFXI", "gil", "gold", or ".com" in their shout; it would be possible to just use all 52 of these fullwidth characters and guarantee a catch, but that's a very wide net to cast and I prefer not to waste the space right now.

Any non-Latin character shaped like an F, a G, or a C will still bypass this filter, but those shouldn't be all that common; if you see it happening, you can always use the newly-added in-game copy to clipboard feature to grab the offending characters and add them to your filter if they do slip by. (And if that happens, maybe post that text somewhere on the boards here so we can keep pace with the bots?)

EDIT: ... well, okay, actually, I say all that, then look at FFXIAH and just immediately see a shout where someone's using the fullwidth characters instead of the standard ones to shout for Sortie. Kind of thought Japanese players were using the usual ascii character set when they typed in English but I guess not. So... I guess you can hit false positives, but... well, it's a trade-off. You could consider using ＦＦ and ＦＩ in place of just Ｆ, ＣＯ in place of just Ｃ, and ＧＩ and ＧＯ in place of Ｇ; ｃ, ｆ, and ｇ shouldn't see any normal use and are likely fine to use as-is. There's more risk of a nuisance shout slipping by though, decide which you're more comfortable with.

Amended lower-loss version, then:

ＦＦ
ＦＩ
ＣＯ
ＧＩ
ＧＯ
ｃ
ｆ
ｇ
hr/

Ah, nice. The Unicode on mobile looks very close to the latin characters compared to how it's noticable in game.

Other than copying the message to add. There's no way a player will be able to identify which one to block without a third party tool though.

[Zenion]

Ah, nice. The Unicode on mobile looks very close to the latin characters compared to how it's noticable in game.

Other than copying the message to add. There's no way a player will be able to identify which one to block without a third party tool though.

Basically, yeah. That's why I wanted to provide that example for people to to copy and paste, to save them that trial and error and discovery process.

(Looking at the couple of ads in circulation on Fenrir though, just "★" would cover everything except the exp bots... I wonder how long that would be viable.)

[Alhanelem]

The Ｃ one specifically is "fullwidth latin capital letter c", unicode 0xFF23; in comparison, the C that you get typing normally is just "latin capital letter c", unicode 0x43. A computer isn't going to mistake the two, no matter how similar they look. This is why they get used in shouts - you can block any of the normal Latin character set you want, and it's never going to catch that fullwidth Latin set.
Japanese do use the fullwidth characters sometimes, when they input non-japanese characters with the IME, they get these. However, it won't have much impact beyond that.

[Dragoy]

I think all I can say about Ambuscade this month is: I miss the moogles.

As usual, the difficulty seems to be very different compared to last month.

I could beat the moogles (intense ambuscade, volume 1) easily alone as a samurai, with alter egos, in about 5 minutes on easy difficulty.

The volume 1 intense ambuscade this month seems somewhat impossible for me to do the same.

I do appreciate it and understand that not all months might be the same, but for these lower levels, I think it would be fair to have them at least somewhat consistent.

Regular Ambuscade seems pretty much like always as well. Similar or more time spent to Intense Very Easy in common settings for the same points.

Thank you!

[Dragoy]

Having to remove everything else in a Mog House for the Prismatic Chest effect does not seem like a good idea.

(Sure there are ways to kind get around that, but it is not a fix for the issue.)

Please reconsider this implementation.

Thank you!

[Dihlyte]

[snipped quote]

Ambuscade this month is:

the difficulty seems to be very different.

intense ambuscade, volume 1 easy difficulty.

The volume 1 intense ambuscade this month seems somewhat impossible for me to do the same.



I also agree 100%

This month, and even last month, the difficulty from Very Easy, to Easy was extremely steep.

Suggestion:
Remove the single target charm.

Last month, add 1-2 more “Moogle” (the “safe” ones.)

Or any possible adjustment to easy so it doesn’t go from extremely easy to nearly impossible.

[Dragoy]

The feature to copy chat log lines to the clipboard is nice, and something I've been hoping for... well, since 2005.

That said, I imagine the main (or only) purpose for this is for users to be able to copy messages they want to filter out, which is not a use-case for me personally, since I tend to filter /yell altogether. Of course there are uses such as being able to copy a URL to the official forums for example, but one would still need to input it manually.

I hope it could be adjusted so that copying /any/ chat log messages is possible (that is, battle related messages as well as NPC chatter and such).

I also hope some day we will finally be able to also input (paste) text to the in-game chat as well.

Thank you!